Building a new C64 in 2020
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- It's been a weird year. Let's build a Commodore 64 in 2020. Based on one of the now available replica PCBs, I set out to build my own C64 with as many brand new parts as possible. // Kindly sponsored by PCBWay - www.pcbway.com - End-of-year special promotion coming in December!
MUSIC by FOCUS 10 focus10music.bandcamp.com
Sixtyclone C64 Replica Boards:
www.tindie.com/products/bobsb...
BOM/Parts Lists:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Edu Arana's C64 PCB Locator:
arananet.net/c64pl/250466/250...
Run Stop Re-Store Parts Kits:
ACTUALLY ALL PARTS NEEDED ARE AVAILABLE in the complete kits from Martijn's store, including diodes, inductors, rectifier, transistors etc. No need to salvage anything but the cartridge port shield (and that is optional even):
retro8bitshop.com/retrostore/...
Component Video Enhancement/RF Modulator Replacement:
github.com/c0pperdragon/C64-V...
Available to order pre-made here: videogameperfection.com/produ...
8701 Clock Chip Replacement:
www.soigeneris.com/mos8701-cl...
PLAnkton PLA Replacement:
www.melon64.com/forum/viewtop...
or from Amibay www.amibay.com/showthread.php?...!
NanoSwinSID SID replacement:
www.tolaemon.com/nss/
Also available prebuilt from a variety of sources.
ARMSID SID Replacement:
www.retrocomp.cz/produkt?id=2
PixelWizard Commodore 64 Case:
shop.pixelwizard.eu/en/commod...
CZcams channels mentioned:
/ heybirt
/ iz8dwf
/ danielrenner (_ C64 CUSTOMS _)
This video was sponsored by PCBWay.
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
3:31 Sponsor Message
4:13 Board & Parts Kits
6:25 Locating Components
7:33 Order of Operations
8:52 Soldering Resistors and Diodes
13:29 Soldering Ceramic Capacitors
15:48 Salvaging Inductors
17:35 Standard Diodes
18:06 Transistors
19:10 More Capacitors
20:22 Soldering IC Sockets
24:08 DC-DC Voltage Regulators
26:36 Bridge Rectifier
27:29 Connectors
29:41 Electrolytic Capacitors
32:11 RF Modulator Replacement
33:49 Cleanup
35:26 Populating Logic & RAM
36:52 8701 Clock Generator Replacement
38:27 Putting Custom Chips in
39:26 PLAnkton PLA Replacement
41:13 Nano SwinSID
42:03 1st Test Run
43:32 2nd Test Run
44:28 3rd Test Run
47:11 ARMSID
53:27 PixelWizard Replacement Case
56:23 The Keyboard
58:20 Making a Power LED assembly
1:02:22 Thank you & Goodnight
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This whole project is incredibly fascinating.
Glad you like it!
@@JanBetaToo bad you didn't use the LEGO Brick keyboard and case of Christian @Retro Recipes .....
Also you have the original vintage
C64... you could raffle these ones among your Patreons.. signed by you... (previous warning.. international delivery paid half and half with the winners )
Indeed!
A stupid question perhaps; when booting , using it with c64 programms....whats the difference in practice?
hello friend question for you can I buy that is already build ?? thanks
this board is just so beautifull. really high quality
True.
It would be a crime to close it in non transparent case.
The parts kit Jan used normally ships with ALL the passive components and RAM + Logic.. Little oopsie by me to forget to put the diodes/filter/transistor pack in the box. So no need to salvage anything from an old board expect the cartridge shield, modulator if you want to use an original and of course the MOS Chips (except the 8701 since I will include a new one), and if you use th 7805 you need a heatsink too.
packing list might help you and the next costumer ;)
@@vectorjoe Well, the stupid thing is I actually have that. Must have been sleeping. Will not happen again :)
@@mbosschaart then you need a checklist where "packing list" is one of the bullet points ;)
@Shannon Smith you can buy the board from one vendor, part kits from other vendors, chips from yet another vendor.....links are in the description
@@fffUUUUUU Easy, buddy, easy... it's @Apple
Alleine die Nachricht, dass Jan Beta einen neuen C64 baut... Hammer!
Outstanding. What a beautiful result! Well done!
I love this and it really inspires me to work on my Franken64! Your videos are getting more and more captivating! Great work
This is a fascinating video. Thanks for putting this together Jan. The Commodore 64 was my first computer and seeing anything like this takes me back. What an effort and the new case looks great.
Well done! :) I've built Bob's A500++ board, and the quality of his work is really great!
Thanks for showing PLAnkton which I still make and sell. Yes, Eslapion is french in origin.
It is an amazing replacement, thanks for your great work! :)
@@JanBeta I sent you an e-mail with an adapted version of Super Zaxxon that works with the 1541 Ultimate I/II/II+ carts. However, it is still better to use a real Super Zaxxon or one of the replicas which use a 74LS74. Using a cart emulation does not properly replicate the sensitivity to glitches.
Ah, thanks! Currently plowing through a massive backlog of emails, didn’t see yours yet, sorry. Yeah, definitely need to get my hands on one of the real cartridges at some point.
I just discovered this video in my recommended videos. I enjoyed every bit of this video. I have 2 broken "bread bin" C64s that belonged to my dad that I would love to do the modern parts build/upgrade to. I also have my dad's C128 that was working the last time it was used maybe 6+ years ago. I also would like to do a modern upgrade to that as well. This video was very informative and I hope to do this project in the near future.
Clear case. That is awesome. I'd do that or the red one I see from time to time from other content.
It's amazing how much support exists for a computer that 25 years ago was a by-word for obsolescence.
I watched this when you released the video and I am about to embark on making one of these myself, so I thought I would watch it again and maybe get some pointers. I wish I could like it twice, such a good video, thank you Jan.
I love this build , Jan!
Really looking forward to this as a series. I want to try doing this myself.
Would be cool to see this updated over time, adding newly developed chips
Great project! I've been wanting to do something like this for a while, Now I've got a reference to come back too. Looking forward to you doing some other revisions so I can choose which one to go with!!
Great Video as always Jen... great C64 Project for 2021
Awesome project! I love to see a C64 come to life, especially a brand new one. Since you went with the clear case, you should mount some white or colored LEDs on the underside of the keyboard so they light up the motherboard from the inside. There's a 5V line on the keyboard connector you could tap into.
A new Video - the evening has been rescued!
Thanks Jan! I think this video highlights the conspicuous absence of a new C64 keyboard solution - which of course you mention and I'm sure will be more available soon. Can't wait for that and can't wait for more great content from you . Thanks again!
Keyboards for the C64/VIC20 aren't a problem. They are relatively hardwearing and easy to fix. Also they turn up on Ebay relatively frequently and aren't ridiculously expensive. ( in UK at least).
I just found this channel, and didn’t know if I could make it through an hour long build video but this was so well paced and interesting throughout the whole vid! Great video and great job! :)
Thank you very much! I considered dividing this into several parts initially but decided against it in the end and just spend a lot of time editing it to get it right. Glad you liked it! :)
I figured I'd watch for a few minutes and skip around... An hour later I realized I watched the whole thing from start to end. It was riveting to watch! Thank you!
The great Jan Beta is becoming a legend in the classic computing. The youtube is his window to show what the love + WILL and knowledge can do !
That Board looks Gorgeous. Awesome Video. Thumbs Up.
That is an amazing project. I have coded a lot of SID music so you made my day! After some time, my brother took over the music stuff on C64 and is in this oldschool C64 world well known I believe with his 20th Century Composers music (EvS@20CC). Unfortunatelyhe is not with us anymore, he would have loved it as well.
This is my first video of yours I’m watching of yours Jan and as of 9:32 in will explore your content for ANY soldering repair needs! You just mention and refer to relevant things I have seen no where else for this numpty! 😊
Certainly good to see things like this being done to keep these nice older systems going, and hadn't heard of Commodore 64 boards being made again like this, which makes it better for getting them going again, as the original ones do end up failing, being as old as they are. So with them being reproduced like this, always good to see & a nice video on you building a new C64 in this day & age, certainly more interesting than some new fan-dangle gaming PC being put together. With that, it'd just be someone installing components which is easy, but this is someone actually building a computer, putting all the little electrical components & chips onto the board, doing the testing as you would & in this case connecting the keyboard & putting it all together in it's case. The C64 Maxi & The VIC20 (The latter being a limited edition of the C64 Maxi, bought one from amazon, getting sent over from the UK to australia as it isn't sold here, so will have both myself as i have the C64 maxi already) which are decent recreations of said machines (Commodore 64 & VIC20), good that they are made so many of us can get access to a more real type of them, not being the real deal & don't have the ones from back when myself, but are still nice ones though. But these reproduction cases, components & the whole main boards which has been made for some time now am guessing, is even better that the whole thing is being made again in a way. Sure, you'd be using older components but still most of them are new. So yes, glad to see these good-old ones being remade as they are, keeping them going longer. And i wouldn't be able to put one together like this i'll admit, still a good bit of viewing though from you & pretty much most who do what they do with vintage computing. Also like some others have said here, similar machines from the time period need to get these whole boards & other bits for them made again too, keeping more going & hopefully getting more people into the fun that is this kind of vintage computing.
I love the C64 startup screen :)
This is really cool, you did a great job on building this. 👍👍
It’s so good that stuff is still being made for vintage gear and to a higher quality usually. That board is a work of art with the black and gold looking very classy.
That's wonderful. And very impressive that it worked, as built. You should be very proud!
Credit must also go to the people who designed and built those alternate replacement parts. Everything seems to work great.
An incredible job Jan, very inspiring! Well done mate keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Hi Jan!
Thanks for this amazing video!
I have to say that you gave me the final push to start building my own C64 machine.
I already received the same 466 board itself and some components as well.
Now I'm very happy and excited.
Thanks again, Jan! 😁😉🤞
Hope your build goes well! :D
Really great video, thank you! I don't know if I am ever going to build my own one but for me the most loving part is the music from Focus10 ;) I'm mega happy to found him even on spotify!
Nicely done video with step by step assembly. Rarely does a complex board as this work on the first try! 👍👍
Wonderful! I enjoyed this very much! Great tip to screw the jacks onto the board BEFORE soldering to prevent cracking the solder joints! Impressed by the use of the Vishay component. I thought the clear case was going to look horrible, but surprisingly it actually looked very nice.
Thanks! Yeah, as I said, I'm a fan of the clear cases, especially for DIY projects like this. Hope the new keycaps are going to come through eventually. :)
@@JanBeta Is there available a clear keyboard module with clear keycaps?
What a fantastic build!! A 64 clone is definitely being added to my wish/build list!! (And that Black board in a clear case... just wow!!🤩👍)
Jan Beta, That was a fantastic build. Well done. Almost worked first time, if it weren't for the faulty CPU. Cool machine. love that ARMSID...
I've been contemplating getting one of these diy C64 kits for a while, as I have not been able to stumble across a decently priced original. I believe after watching this that I've made up my mind to take the plunge. I love soldering and electronics repair in general; I love it so much that when I decided to get an oscilloscope, I bought a diy kit just because I wanted a fun project to do that my kids could watch, so they could better understand how modern electronics work XD I have friends that tell me I'm crazy to love such a meticulous project, but there's just something so incredibly satisfying about building working electronics out of a smattering of capacitors, resistors, diodes, and microchips. The best part is getting a successful first boot when you finish without having to troubleshoot, it's simply exhilarating! It can be a headache if you do need to troubleshoot, but it's still worth it in my opinion.
Everything about this project is just great. Really interesting video Jan. 👍
Thanks! It was a lot of fun to build this thing, too!
Totally awesome what you made! Respect!
Phenomenal video, Jan! Keep up the great work, brother!
Thanks Brad! :)
Revisited this from the latest episode. Brilliant build!!
Nice! Simply nice! This beauty of a board deserves a clear case. I like the idea to use modern replacement parts.
It would be interesting to watch the waveforms of the signals with a scope and compare it to an original C64. Perhaps they are much more precise on the new board.
Oh, this video makes me happy. Love it.
Looking forward the to homemade keyboard too.
Thanks! More episodes coming whenever I get new parts in. :)
Love your c64 videos. Looking forward to the series
Great project Jan, and a great pleasure to watch.
Thanks!
Oh wow Jan! I've been trying to find that song you had on the SID player "To be on Top by Chris Huelsbeck" for YEARS! I had a demo on the C64 that used it and while I've long since lost that demo, that song for some reason stuck in my head and I've tried to find it for decades. And then I'm watching your video and I hear it and I couldn't believe it :) Amazing :)
Ha, what an amazing coincidence! The track remains one of my favorite SIDs ever. I remember being absolutely blown away by it when I first heard it back in the day. I'm a massive Chris Hülsbeck fan still. :)
@@JanBeta Right? I can remember visiting some friends of my Dad and they were big Radio Shack Colour Computer users and they were playing some music and being amazed at how a computer could make such great music (it wasn't actually very great). I was just thinking the equivalent of "If I had my C64 with me and that demo I'd say 'Here, hold my beer'" :)
Really enjoyed watching this. Great build
Thank you very much! :D
Great video and a good result Jan
Great build Jan! Love the transparent model you chose too. I guess that would prevent the need for retrobrighting in future? I'm very jealous. BTW, you broke your record for saying "so much for" 😆 I can see it's an expression that's very hard to unlearn. Keep up the great work with these videos mate - I can't wait to see that ARM-SID comparison! 👍🏾
Oh what fab TV. Loved this one.
Congrats! Looks good! I had Vic and C64 when they came out! Loved typing 3000 lines of code out of magazine's make my own games! :p
Nice project, good explained and outstanding technical skills
Jan, This is one of your best videos yet.... I have been subscribed for the past year and love this episode!! Kudos! :) Tony K, Melbourne, Florida U.S.A. .....
Super video! Professional work.
Great video ,electronics and music nice. Focus 10 music is awesome thanks
That turned out fantastic. It's always a pleasure to see a c64 rescued, but to see a new one (for the most part) being born is amazing. When 6510/VIC replacements are available, that will be the icing on the cake.
Thanks! I’m going to put more modern things into it whenever they are available. The goal is to have all new parts at some point, would be amazing.
Hi Jan! You had me at "building", and an awesome build you made! I really want one of those crystal cases too :o
This was a lot of fun! I hope that we see a board where all the parts can be replaced with modern parts - not because I want to lose the original systems, but because I know there will come a time when we simply won't be able to find or afford them. I want to be able to pass along knowledge that my CS students don't know because modern computers are so different in many ways. Assigning them projects on old computers is a way for them to understand how parts relate and how to program them.
I'm on the same quest, and that C64 parts kit is a godsend! Thanks Jan!
You are very welcome, hope your build goes well!
This was a very good and educating video. I love C64 computers. Had one a long time ago but it died. Thanks for the video.
Excellent video! I love the switching regulators, I didn't even know those were available! I must have learned at least 20 things watching this.
I've used them a few times now. They totally make sense for the Sinclair machines as they don't have much air space inside and the big heatsink near the ULA isn't ideal.
This was amazing. Thank you!
Amazing video, full of information. BTW, you show the BackBit cartridge for a second and I didn't have an idea about it. I hadn't seen any video commenting it. Looks amazing. The bad news is that that red matches so well my C=64 that I've had to buy one :(
It's great to see so much support for the C64, usually with older machines I always have a feeling in the back of my mind that I'm kinda taking it's life away by using it at this point, if that makes any sense.. for the C64 though you can get a replacement part for pretty much everything relatively easily at least if you don't require originals. Just try working on some old PC compatibles or other less common machines and you'll be on your own, some machines may not have any search results whatsoever and when a proprietary chip dies on one of those.. oh boy
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
Well done, bloody incredible!
I have been umming and ahhing over building one and decided to do a youtube search to get some more info on it and could not of asked for a better video! I think I'm going to try. The boards are so reasonably priced!
Good luck! I can only recommend it, very rewarding (at least if you get it to work in the end...;))!
Just TERRIFIC! Thanks for this long and great video! Cheers, M
That was a really nice build! I also got myself an ARMSid replacement for my C64 because my original 6581 R4AR started to make some strange noises and is probably about to die sadly. I really like it a lot and with some tweaking with the provided software it sounds really good! The only strange thing about it that I can hear is some of the noise waves sound a little bit off, like they are at too low frequency. For example when playing Sam's Journey you hear a whoosh sound when you pick up a power up, and it sounds quite different on the ARMSid than it does on an original SID. It's kinda like the noise channel is one or two pitches too low. Hopefully a firmware update can fix that. Other than that I am really happy with the ARMSid and at that price it is a no brainer if you need a good replacement. Really nice that you can change the emulation between 6581 and 8580 modes and get the best of both worlds on the same board (I still highly prefer 6581 like you Jan) :)
Love this video! I looked at the "Sixty Clone" option in my own "Building a new C64 in 2020" video. In my case, I ended up going down the Ultimate 64 Elite route, as I'm not as good at wielding a soldering iron as you are.
The Ultimate64 boards are awesome, admittedly the easier way to go. But less fun if you like to solder. ;)
Really enjoyed the video Jan, it amazes me how people are able to create replacement chips for these machines. I never thought i would see the day where you could actually built a C64 from scratch :)
We are not too far from having replacements for all the ICs. It's just wonderful people are still interested in these old machines. :)
When he say's : " ..because i love soldering.." i can really relate, there is just something so satisfying when leads or pins get (what i call marriage) together when you cover them with a cone-ring of solder :) . My father who is an electrician was the first i was observing when he was soldering my C64's Joystick switches and installed a reset switch on my C64. However it was my mother who taught me how to solder properly, as only than i found out that my dad was really sloppy at it , she than proceed to buy me a WTCP-S Weller solder iron which i still own and use till this day.
I would love to do this kind of project and i believe i would require more day's maybe even weeks of time, but i would enjoy every second of it :) . However seems like a bit of an expensive project for me as i don't even have any broken C64's to take any needed spare parts :D . Jan Beta, very satisfying video , so nice to watch and listen to you, keep up the good work. Want to see more videos from you in the future !
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. And soldering definitely has a soothing effect on me, especially when the things I put together work in the end... ;)
This is so cool. I've been aware of the replica C64 PCBs for a while now. I've still got my original 1983 Made in W.Germany C64 that still works (after fixing some electrolyte leakage damage). I don't know how many 6526 chips I blew up interfacing my C64 to the outside world. Luckily they were in sockets.
I'd love to "build my own" Commodore 64, a project for 2021
Nice to have that open space provided by the modulator replacement, perhaps an internal SD2IEC could go there and modify the case to have a slot for the SD card.
Really inspiring video! Made me order a purple pcb!😳 Dunno why but purple really do look good on pcbs🤔
For the LED, I think you can also get away with filing down a normal 5mm round LED to fit. A bit more work but if you have a supply of those may be better than buying square ones. The sides will not be as clear from the filing and the top you can leave a bit rounded or file flat but may need some polishing.
That was brilliant to watch and so exciting when it worked. 🎉🎈👍 I do like the clear case although I think it needs a slight tint to warm it up a bit. You did ask! Cheers.
Thanks! I wouldn't mind a tint at all actually. Maybe I could add a layer of clear colored paint on top at some point.
One technique I use when cleaning up flux residue is to use a lint free rag. I spray the board with isopropyl, put the rag down on the board, wet the rag with a bit more isopropyl, then use the brush to massage the rag against the solder joints. You’d be surprised how well it works. Keep changing to different spots on the rag, also.
You were near the miracle :-) Nice Job Jan ! Thanks for this video
Thanks, glad you liked it!
You get lucky waiting for a transparent C64C case for my C64 Reloaded MK2 / TC64 V1.
Nice build with the replica 250466. Is also my best C64 board ever second is the 250425 RevA.
Geiles Video, wird auf jeden Fall auch Mal nachgebaut. Hatte das Kit vor einiger Zeit schon gefunden und das Video ist mit Abstand das beste Video dazu.
I am drooling, I will probably come back to watch this again, building a modern PC is satisfying enough, but this is next level. Want!
Sweet! And the music as well matches the video.
So much fun actually building your own computer than getting it readily-assembled.
The time component is, however problematic for some.
Hi Jan, hope your keeping well. All the best .
Thanks, yeah, I'm having a bit of a rollercoaster ride mentally (not helped by the whole pandemic situation) recently but I'm fine.
@@JanBeta Its tough at the moment. Ive just lost my job of 25 years because of covid . So I know how you feel. Your YT videos keep all of us going. Many thanks .
Amazing.
I am existed to see the keyb replacement someday.
Excellent job Jan,,,,,Saludos Mundo makina,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Really enjoyed this, thanks
Ja! I was waiting for such video from a quality CZcamsr for a long time.
"Quality CZcamsr", thanks! :D
@@JanBeta I mean there were other videos but the realization of the video was bad. No offence "other" CZcamsrs ;)
That flashing cursor is still hearthbreaking after 35 years. Great job!
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You mean heart-warming. ;)
That is a beautiful C64! I want one! :)
I still have my c64 + 1541(old bread box shape) from my childhood. It was running last time in 1987, then amiga took over :-). One day I'll dig it out and see if it's still working. I was a little afraid of it because it might have died in the meantime. But with all the people who do something like this, I am now sure that it can be revived in case of doubt.
Happy Jan is awesome Jan (o:
This is awesome!
makes you appreciate how much went into these old computers compared to how much was charged for them (adjusted for inflation). Remarkable pieces of kit, i remember them fondly
Reminds me that I really need to pull out my commodore 64, clean it up, and see if it still works - or pass it on to someone else. Including a VicModem. Thanks for the video!
Great project.....thanks very much.
I really appreciate Your work ! :)