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New South West Trains Class 707
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- čas přidán 11. 08. 2016
- South West Trains are getting new rolling stock early next year, and we went for a preview of what they'll be during a visit to the Siemens test track.
We sent Geoff along to see what to expect, and he also got to drive the train for himself, you can see that here: • Video
Londonist videos are always so clean and to the point. Really like their stuff.
yeah love the train vids they do really satisfies the nerd in me
Felix Gardner I agree their videos are very great!
He's doing a job that allows him to be a train driver/commentator so he completed his goal.
@@devastator5042😊😊😊😊😊😊pl
think most southwest users will agree the problem is the management not the trains
Experiencing both regularly, Govia Thameslink is way worse than South West Trains.
definitely.
SWT are on the whole, not too bad. As others have said, try any of the Govia brands. SouthEastern, Southern, Great Northern, Thameslink or even Gatwick Express.
Southeastern aren't that bad at all. Govia also owns London Midland, which is arguably the best mainline company in London that operates suburban trains (although c2c comes close). It's just the companies under the TSGN franchise that suck.
SWT will do anything to get out of delay repay and their customer service is really weak. Abellio Greater Anglia are really good on that front and their newest trains are really nice.
SWR four years later:
“Not good enough, lets replace them”
Southeastern: ''Don't worry, I can look after them.''
Another great video.
I love no doors in between carriages/cars.
And free Wi-Fi...lovely.
Shame these are being replaced soon. They never really got started. RIP Class 707 (in service 2017 - 2019)
Wait why
@@callum5244 using a new bombardier class 710
Don’t worry, Southeastern will take over the units soon
@@jt3397 u mean the class 701
Those 707 will not die, they will be transferred to Southeastern
I hope the guy with the German accent is put in charge of timetables - South West trains desperately needs some of that über efficiency :P
Not that he is but he sort of ish sounds Dutch
@@ben.taylor true i can kind of hear it
2 years later...
these trains are replaced now
with cheap plastic
"South West Trains are always late anyway"
Lol
+Mauro Brenner yes they are
Joe F ive never seen a countdown timer at a SWT train station saying "On Time" before.
RunrigFan Southern are terrible. I dont know how Govia Transport (Ownerr of Thameslink, Southern & Gatwick Express) could allow this, but Thameslink on the wimbledon loop line is even worse
+wclifton968 - gameplays & tutorials oh man don't forget the many cancellations on great northern
4 years later: southeastern: Introducing our new Class 707s!
Was on a class 700 on the Thameslink route a few days ago, so new I could still smell the plastic on the train! Have to admit I was very impressed with the overhead info system and the design of the train, looking forward to seeing them as part of the South West fleet as well! 😊
Class 707 is from stepford county railway
Seems strange to think they'll all be blue by the end of the year!
You rock, Geoff. Awesome video, as usual.
No way!!!!! That is my favourite train coming to life!!!!! I cannot wait for it to come!
Woop, it will stop at my station. Can't wait for these trains!😍😃😄
Class 701: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Still waiting for the introducing
Still waiting for the introducing
@@CallumClass450 indeed
You need not wait longer.
From 0:21 you can notice the Siemens Desiro MainLine (Ventus) train (in green and yellow to the left) which are for GYSEV, a private rail company, serving passengers in west Hungary :)
And in 2022 (next year) all 30 Class 707s are to be cascaded to Southeastern to work on the suburban services in Southeast London and to displace some of the Class 465 and Class 466 Networkers to be used on other routes. And have been named as “City Beam”.
And maybe Siemens could continue on manufacturing more Class 7xx Desiro City units for Southern to replace the Class 455 and Class 313 as the Class 717 have been built for Great Northern to operate on the Moorgate Line. And have replaced the Class 313 on the Moorgate Line and Hertford North loop line.
A very smart looking unit.
And a superb video as always.
2:50 what an unusual crossover section!
I can't wait to see these on British rails!
so happy south west are updating their fleet
they should have these on the Guildford to Waterloo line it gets overcrowded a lot
Via Oxshott? Or via Epsom?
Via Epsom forgot to add that
+Mauro Brenner not sure as Guildford serves many other routes for example Portsmouth to Guildford then Guildford to London Waterloo that's naming two
+Mauro Brenner these are intended for short journey routes. you would need a chiropractor if you sat on these for the Bournemouth to Waterloo run!
Bournemouth-Waterloo, i mean this train needs to replace the 455s and 456s, it's rather amazing to see how far the 444 has done. It runs smoothly on stopper services and fast services. The tables and seats are comfortable. The only part needed to improve is that 444s are always busy.
And just like that they’re gone.
..to southeastern
Funny that, I just visited Sopron where the new GYSEV/Raaberbahn vehicles you can see in the background will go.
The bottom line is that health and safety is definitely assured.
The front of the south western looks like a front of a ThamesLink
2+1 seating, unusual! But the. You can have more standees. Great video as ever Geoff!
the mentioning of 'displacement' of the old/former running stock sounds like a 'buzz-speak' for the new/shiny/air-conditioned trains are for the (mainly) posh/well-to-do folk and the old/dirty/stuffy trains are for the (mainly) poorer/struggling workers...jaded opinion yes but over the years/decades it what i've noticed.
New hit song "'I'm on a train'' In stead of ''I'm on a boat'' XD Love the channel
It's worth it on thameslink because trains comes every 10-20 mins
The Class 707s going to be transferred to Southeastern
Now: SouthEastern has them because SWR had ditched them
I saw 707 001 yesterday at Windsor & Eton Riverside
So you did go to Germany! I keep seeing a class 700 parked up between alexander palace and Finsbury Park. Of course it's on the other side of the mainline to the depo.
Its amazing that the EMUs can be converted back to Pantograph - especially if they are ever displaced!
Most modern 3rd rail units can do that. if you look at the roof, you can see a space to fit a pantograph. it's nothing new
I can't wait for these new trains.
They look good! Not to bad. I have been on the Thameslink 700's and these look pretty much the same but with different colours. I am looking forward to going on one
Shame that brand new trains have been replaced with plastic
Great video :) can't wait to go on them!
GB`s hastened rate of Americanization`s STUHHnning, because the latest addition there, heard here in this video, is referring to a socket as being a plug. The wording, the thinking .. plus the morphing of London into just another ISM .. oh well.
Cool idea
I managed to get one of the new 700s, so if these are as nice as those, it will be brilliant!
Jesus - London metro gets cool trains. We in the U.S. ride on old ass bearing grinding subways. Although the MBTA does have Hyuandai -Rotem building new subway cars for the Red and Orange lines.
kd1s In your dreams... MBTA , CTA and LA metro all have Chinese CCRC building the new trains for you.
Plus, it looks like Iron Man!
All the SWR have to cramp back into that tight cab.
Yay more new trains for the south....
Why weren't they just numbered 700/1s or /2s? They are just the same damn looking things Siemens! (Don't get me wrong though, I can't wait to stop seeing 319s out my window and seeing more and more 700s)
***** Ahhh, I see. Maybe 700/2s then? I guess it's not the first time. Electrostars, Turbostars... It just makes me wonder the point of it?
Good point. The answer is that there are a few technical differences between the 700, the 707 and the 717. The 707s will have power sockets, while the others will not (that's the only difference I can think of but there are probably more). The 717s (which will be used on the Northern City line) will not have toilets, unlike the others. That's why they're given different numbers.
The 717 probably won't have end gangways as they are being built as 6 car trains which is the max length on the Northern City line which is where they will serve, so they will usually only operate as 1 unit
Main reason is they can't couple to a 700 (700 couplers are emergency only)
It is like the class 700 units but the 707 has WiFi and sockets to charge it is amazing to see these new classes.
***** Cool thanks for that info.
Except that the 707 is powered by 3rd rail only
Ah... it was in Germany! That makes much more sense as to how you were allowed to drive one ;)
I can't imagine network rail letting you on anything in Britain! Also that was a pretty epic crossover at 2:45 !
Actually, it's much worse in Germany. He was just allowed to drive because of the nature of that line (being the test track owned by SIEMENS). DB NETZ (Germany's Notwork Fail), the EBA (Eisenbahn Bundes Amt) and the TAB (Technische Aufsichtbehörde) would have a very serve problem with anybody driving a train on a normal line which is not allowed to do so.
More information on the SIEMENS test track is aviable here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_and_validation_centre,_Wegberg-Wildenrath
You can see it on Google Maps as well: www.google.de/maps/place/Siemens+AG/@51.1147779,6.2219756,15.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xbdee258b85a7ba1d!8m2!3d51.1174701!4d6.2250906
That site use to be an RAF base "RAF Wildenrath" before it was Siemens Test and validation centre, Wegberg-Wildenrath.
2:56 Spring has been and gone and i don't see any of these trains yet, I believe the new deadline is at some point during summer.
Nice train. Only thing bad is the nasty iron board seats. But I still like the train though. I love the light scheme, I like the interior, it's colourful and I like the presentation and the display board. Only thing I hate is the ironing board seats. Apart from that, it's lovely.
We don't need better trains?? We need better management and much less delays !!
All they need to do now is to get the trains ontime!
Well now going to southeastern
where are the yellow borders around the doors?
These look similar to the new Thamslink trains already in service.
@Haris Holmes they are slightly different. They can only operate on third rail(unlike 700s) and the 707s dont have toilets
This train also in SCR in roblox
omg the roblox train sim
I'm so happy right now, the trains in service currently, in my opinion, just weren't good enough!!
Went on one of those today
Looks like another ironing board train in different colours.Great if you don't like the privacy,comfort and safety of a seperate carrige.
This might be a stupid question, but how do they get these trains over to the UK? Boat? Plane?
By boat, and the question is not stupid
Thanks very much. I thought it might be something simple like they just drive the trains across Europe to the UK through the Channel Tunnel but they're probably not all compatible with the lines along the way. I guess they could tow them with a diesel engine?
+viperhalberd they just take it apart into individual cars and put it in a container.
Siemens have delivered via the tunnel before. If the go through the tunnel, they will be loco hauled.
They'll be hooked on the back of a freight train and towed to Calais, then through the tunnel and on to Wimbledon.
Very similar to the class 700
PISSES ME OFF THEY GETTING REPLACED THEYWERE JUST NEW TRAINS
Was that the test track at the former RAF Wildenrath airfield?
I have fond memories of that place, and a few lost memories of the previous evening!!
Sarge084 yes, it's the Prüfcenter Wegberg-Wildenrath on the site of the former RAF Wildenrath
londonist videos are the best
Who else is here when it’s SWR?
This is so cool
How do these doorless trains work when it comes to quiet coaches, first class separation or food carriages and such? There's nowhere to store bikes or toilets or food trolleys.
Good point! perhaps there won't be quiet coaches? we didn't see any first class...and .. what's a 'food carriage' ?
This stuff is more common on national railways, this is only a regional one with the whole course probably taking less than 3 hours. It's basically only an upscaled city-tram, not a downscaled inter-city railway.
At least the trains driving in my area (Germany) usually have one part of the train fitted for bike-storage, but I don't know if these trains have it.
c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I00002aAmR0Puhag/fit=1000x750/China-train-3.jpg that's a food trolley, mostly used in trains with bigger routes. Though in Germany they are getting used less and people are adviced to use the board restaurant if they want to buy stuff.
(in Germany those trolleys usually sold snacks, sandwiches and of course coffee and tea)
***** Well idk if I'm right, I don't go on trains very often, only went on a few for my first proper time on holiday, but I always assumed that some trains had a restaurant style carriage, I could've sworn I saw something similar on TV.
I know it's wouldn't be on all trains, but even just bike storage, pram storage, toilets or a food cart the people bring down, I don't know how they'd store it.
There won't be a quiet carriage it seems. Hopefully these sorts of carriages don't make onto the long distance trains. The class 450 are already bad enough. I'd like to see more trains like the 158, 159 and 444 when commuting.
***** Those "regional" trains usually drive a max length of ~4hours in Germany (we have a lot of train-stuff going on), they have one part where you can store your bikes (usually in the back of the train). There are no food carts, some regional trains have first class which are only separated by doors, but this type of train (completely open) usually don't have any first class.
There are toilets! And the newer the train, the more there are usually. This train probably has 4-8 toilets.
For carriage/cases, there are often some dedicated places between seats (_/ [packages] \_
Luftschlange, I ♥ your vids.
I like how the British company has a German guy and the German Company has a British guy.
Also where will these 707's go now that SWR have decided to retire them?
They are going to southern
Wow, actually getting new stock. Have they spoken to Southern? Teach them how to run a railway franchise
First of all, GTR (parent company of Southern) has some pretty modern rolling stock at the moment. 377s, 387s, 700s and 171s, which make up over 70% of the company's fleet, are all less than 13 years old (and many of those are less than three years old!). As for the older stock: they are currently withdrawing all of the 319s and about half of the 455s. They have already withdrawn all of the 456s. They are also planning to replace all of the 317s, 321s and 365s, as well as all the 313s on the Great Northern route.
Secondly, it's not Southern's fault that some absolute joke of a trade union tells drivers to strike as often as they can just because they don't want to agree to the role changes that Southern wants to implement (which, by the way, are good).
I wasn't talking about them needing modern stock. They just need MORE of it, and some proper rolling stock management so train lengths are suitable for purpose. etc
This looks like the Thameslink trains
Where ist the test track exactly?
I' am from Germany.
Wildenrath. www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Siemens+AG/@51.1160336,6.2089736,14.96z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c0abeaa04dc235:0xbdee258b85a7ba1d!8m2!3d51.11747!4d6.22509
***** Thank you for this video and these informations!
Any sign of tables on these? The carriage end tables on the 458/5s are very handy on my commute.
Technical reliability on the 458/5s has been appalling. The fire might have been a one-off but door circuit failures have been a regular occurrence over the last few months. Typically it seems to happen with a 10 car formation, the doors are released on one of the 5 car units but not the other and the guard can be oblivious, leaving passengers stuck both inside and outside. The replacements can't come soon enough, and I pity the Reading route passengers....
I LIVE IN FELTHEAM!
All expenses paid? Lucky you.
+Geofftech you could've taken the Tube ;-D
Geoff are they running on the lines towards chessington south and Hampton court on the south west trains
Will there be trays on the back of seats? Didn't see any...
I use southwest all the time, but I use them mainly to get to and from Southampton, I am afraid i may not be using the class 707 on my daily commute......
are these trains basically class 700's in all but number of carriages per unit?
There basically class 700's but on 3rd rail
+wkc19 interesting that they say that the southwestern mainline won't use the 25kv overhead for many years to come. I read somewhere (I can't remember the specific site) that trains being produced in future have to have at least passive provision for a pantograph for possible conversion to 25kv overhead electrification in future. Wonder what the cost of such an operation would be, not only in the cost of mounting the wires but lowering the tracks and redesigning the bridges etc...
these are much needed because almost all south west trains are really old and really unreliable
Look at the North. To us, your trains are clean and fancy. We have 30 year old trains that haven't changed much since Day 1. At least your 455s have been heavily refurbished.
Alasdair Clift refurbished by stripping out the good seats and cramming in more iron board seat rubbish that was designed by a computer. Yeah definitely an upgrade to our rolling stocks.
southeastern failways Still better than a Pacer
Am I The Only one who noticed a Thames link train on the right hand side at 2:46
the thing I dont tend to like about "free" wifi is it requires you to sign up to certain things. I'd just like it if they just make a simple VPN without a signup! more people would use it then!
They make you sign up? Are you sure? In Spain we have wifi on public transport, buses, etc. and you don't have to sign up for anything. You just connect.
It also doesn't always work. The Wi-Fi on First Great Western's HSTs doesn't work.
Nilguiri When I traveled on east midlands trains with free wifi, you had a complicated accepting thing to go through to get about a 1kbs connection that really wasnt worth the time
Maxo11x
That sucks.
Nilguiri and annoying
You Lucky Dog! How did you get to ride on it?
I haven't seen them yet, when are they coming
They entered service last August, however will be replaced from next year by Aventras since the DfT are weird
Plz go to a city called gdansk and there are soo much different transports the metropolitan train which is like a subway but over ground buses trams etc
Hope they don't replace class 455 but they are very smart
455s are going nowhere.
The Class 707 are to replace the Class 458s on some routes, so that the 458s can then replace the 450s on other routes, so that the 450s can then be sold to another company. The 455s and (sadly) the 456s aren't going anywhere.
The 450s are just adding capacity to other 450 routes
They arr
They are
If they're like the Thameslink trains there's less leg room, harder seats, they've taken away arm rests, trays, and coat hooks, and plugs are now only available in First :/
Anybody coming from SCR from the game Roblox
this aged well
Saw that there was a pantograph on the outside, do all third rail trains need to be pantograph capable?
Isn't London lucky!
All we get is cast offs for our new electric railways in Manchester and Liverpool.
I wonder what people would say if they had a 2 car 142 turn up to take them to work each morning?
So what? 2 car isn't enough for up here. The number of people per carriage up here during rush hour far exceeds London to the point where it is almost a weekly occurrence where someone has to be taken off the train by ambulance because they have fallen ill due to the heat caused by the number of people
Liverpool is replacing their fleet with brand new trains. Deliveries start in 2019 (they placed the order in Jan)
sad to think these New trains will be phased out as early as 2020. I say pass them to southern, give them more 10 car metro capacity and put the 377/3 back on coastway services
R.I.P Class 707 replaced by cheap plastic. AGGRHHH
Luka Mitrovic i just saw 2 of them at waterloo today . what gives ? thought they were axed
These look virtually identical to the new thameslink trains (class700?) but do these only have 2+1 seating?
heard that the new operator are not using these trains?
The Class 707 is identical to the Class 700 in all ways
Will this go to Twickenham?
Why are these new trains class 7xx instead of class 4xx, like previous third rail EMUs?
Because they are related to the 700 which is dual voltage and some of these units will be dual voltage at the start
The trains which have now left SWR
R.I.P. 707 and SWT