You can't deny that he was devoted to the children. Especially Steven who isn't his who Cindy lied and said was his. Always treated him like he was his own. Also bringing up little Cindy jr when big Cindy died which is more than most people would be willing to do.
@@RTG1031 he didn't bring up cindy jr her aunty brought her up and also he covered up a murder for one of his kids and let the other the one drunk himself away in New Zealand. I woul have agreed with you in the 2000s era but after that he slowly started becoming a horrible father.
@@randomrandomperson6514 I meant when she was a baby after Cindy first died. Mind you, which of the two would come across as a better role model? It's a toss up.🤭
@@RTG1031 I won't deny that he was devoted to the children (Steven I'm not so sure about, considering what happened in 2017), but Ian was always prone to making reckless decisions that would ultimately affect his kids, in order to better HIMSELF (i.e. recklessly getting himself bankrupt, disappearing for half a year etc.). Furthermore, his lack of vision and awareness of how his kids felt is partly to blame for why all his kids either hate him or became basket cases. He covered up the Lucy incident but did nothing to sort out bobby's real issue (his violent tendancies). He lacked the vision to see that hiding Bobby away in boarding school wouldn't resolve his violent tendancies. He allowed Bobby to continue his path of violence which ultimately led to Bobby being thrown in jail. Ian only saw Steven as his son when it suited him. The moment Steven did any wrong doing, Ian would disown him: Steven wrote poison pen letters in 2002, Ian called him "Cindy's little brat" and said Steven was"nothing to do with him". Steven manipulates Lucy in 2008, Ian says that Steven ain't his son and is glad he never produced anything as twisted as him. He even threatened him with death. In 2017, Ian downright admitted that Steven was Ian's 2nd class son. When Steven lies about his tumour, Ian disowns him post mortem and even disowns his child pre birth (even though Ian did the same thing to Mel...). Ian lacked the awareness to see that he was playing his bio kids off against his step kids. That's why Steven turned out the way he did in 2008 and 2017. He lacked the vision to see that letting Steven go to New Zealand and not even visiting him for 5 years would give him an inferiority complex towards his actual siblings. I don't have to get into what Ian did to Peter and Lucy. Letting Lucy get away with everything, barely considering Peter and Lucy's opinions, favouring one over the other in mind but appreciating neither in reality. No wonder Lucy was a trainwreck with daddy issues, a cocaine addiction, and no discipline. No wonder Peter hates his Dad even now. Yeah Ian loved his kids, but his single minded focus on his family's empire (which none of them actually cared about tbh) stopped him from seeing what his ambition was doing to his actual family. Cindy jr doesn't really mean anything to Ian tbh. When was the last time Ian even mentioned her? Didn't he also throw her out multiple times and even threaten her? He even cares about Steven more than he cares about Cindy. I'm kind of convinced he only took her in just to say to himself that he's a good person. In short, Ian definitely loved his kids deep down, evident from his reactions to their departures/death (apart from Steven), but all of their fates could have been avoided if Ian just stopped and took a look around to see what his actions and inactions were doing to his kids. They all felt inferior at the end. Lucy, Bobby and Steven lost the plot in the end, whilst Steven, Cindy jr and Peter ultimately resented Ian. Ian may be a better role model than Cindy (even that's arguable!), but a better parent? Not quite sure.
@@hussainmartins5985 Ian definitely seriously lacked foresight, but at least he was never willing to abandoned his young children like Cindy did for another man...
Phil is so nice and more human in this episode
Kathy looks younger in 2020 than in 1997.
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Cindy was a better parent than ian the kids should've stayed with her in Italy
You can't deny that he was devoted to the children. Especially Steven who isn't his who Cindy lied and said was his. Always treated him like he was his own. Also bringing up little Cindy jr when big Cindy died which is more than most people would be willing to do.
@@RTG1031 he didn't bring up cindy jr her aunty brought her up and also he covered up a murder for one of his kids and let the other the one drunk himself away in New Zealand. I woul have agreed with you in the 2000s era but after that he slowly started becoming a horrible father.
@@randomrandomperson6514 I meant when she was a baby after Cindy first died.
Mind you, which of the two would come across as a better role model? It's a toss up.🤭
@@RTG1031 I won't deny that he was devoted to the children (Steven I'm not so sure about, considering what happened in 2017), but Ian was always prone to making reckless decisions that would ultimately affect his kids, in order to better HIMSELF (i.e. recklessly getting himself bankrupt, disappearing for half a year etc.). Furthermore, his lack of vision and awareness of how his kids felt is partly to blame for why all his kids either hate him or became basket cases.
He covered up the Lucy incident but did nothing to sort out bobby's real issue (his violent tendancies). He lacked the vision to see that hiding Bobby away in boarding school wouldn't resolve his violent tendancies. He allowed Bobby to continue his path of violence which ultimately led to Bobby being thrown in jail.
Ian only saw Steven as his son when it suited him. The moment Steven did any wrong doing, Ian would disown him: Steven wrote poison pen letters in 2002, Ian called him "Cindy's little brat" and said Steven was"nothing to do with him". Steven manipulates Lucy in 2008, Ian says that Steven ain't his son and is glad he never produced anything as twisted as him. He even threatened him with death. In 2017, Ian downright admitted that Steven was Ian's 2nd class son. When Steven lies about his tumour, Ian disowns him post mortem and even disowns his child pre birth (even though Ian did the same thing to Mel...). Ian lacked the awareness to see that he was playing his bio kids off against his step kids. That's why Steven turned out the way he did in 2008 and 2017. He lacked the vision to see that letting Steven go to New Zealand and not even visiting him for 5 years would give him an inferiority complex towards his actual siblings.
I don't have to get into what Ian did to Peter and Lucy. Letting Lucy get away with everything, barely considering Peter and Lucy's opinions, favouring one over the other in mind but appreciating neither in reality. No wonder Lucy was a trainwreck with daddy issues, a cocaine addiction, and no discipline. No wonder Peter hates his Dad even now. Yeah Ian loved his kids, but his single minded focus on his family's empire (which none of them actually cared about tbh) stopped him from seeing what his ambition was doing to his actual family.
Cindy jr doesn't really mean anything to Ian tbh. When was the last time Ian even mentioned her? Didn't he also throw her out multiple times and even threaten her? He even cares about Steven more than he cares about Cindy. I'm kind of convinced he only took her in just to say to himself that he's a good person.
In short, Ian definitely loved his kids deep down, evident from his reactions to their departures/death (apart from Steven), but all of their fates could have been avoided if Ian just stopped and took a look around to see what his actions and inactions were doing to his kids. They all felt inferior at the end. Lucy, Bobby and Steven lost the plot in the end, whilst Steven, Cindy jr and Peter ultimately resented Ian. Ian may be a better role model than Cindy (even that's arguable!), but a better parent? Not quite sure.
@@hussainmartins5985 Ian definitely seriously lacked foresight, but at least he was never willing to abandoned his young children like Cindy did for another man...
Phil loves a damsel in distress.