Thank for this. As a kid the family foraged for persimmons. The trees were older, establied & way too tall to see flower detail. We even tried binoculars once. Over the years we learned which were male or female & gave them names as a reminder.
Waw, that is a wonderful information deducted from your observation of male and female growth style at nodes. One of my persimmon tree has been in ground growing well for more than ten years but never fruited. Coming spring I will check the flower growth structure to know if it is male or female. It was bought at Ken Taylor Green Barn Nursery. My American persimmon (Suzuki) fruited this year after more that 7 years in ground.
Wonderful. I've got a whole bunch planted in both my intensive and extensive food forests. Now I know how to tell them apart when they start to flower. Some folks have mentioned grafting, I plan to try my hand at it both ways, male to female and female to male.
Male trees are very beneficial for pollinating. It gives more abundance fruit to other female trees around it . Even if you top working the male trees meaning grafting them with female leave some branches as a male.
This is lovely! I can attest to the occasional self-fertility of American Persimmons. I used to live near a single, very tall and mature American Persimmon that was the only one of it's kind for miles. Each year they would bear loads of fruit and occasionally some of those fruit would even have viable seed, from which I have grown many a young tree :)
I didn’t even know one of my trees started to flower until I noticed some bees hovering around it. Now I know that tree is a male, and so I’m going to keep an eye on my other trees to find a female. I grew over a dozen from seed about 6 years ago.
We sell American Persimmon. We update inventory on September 1st. I tend to be super low key about that aspect, but generally if I'm doing a talk about a plant we also have it available for folks.
Precise and concise explanation! 👍 we bought a persimmon tree a month ago ( we call it hairless since spring now and it has no leaves) we are still to find out if it female or male hopefully this year😊
Thanks so much for this wonderful lesson on persimmons! I was just out by my mature persimmons and noticed that they were raining flowers! It’s the males dropping their flowers all at once… Don’t know why but at least I know it’s the males and not the fruit bearing parts! Hopefully this is normal - what a wonderful species!
I haven't done this myself but it seems like a reasonable idea. We have a number of males (WAY more than we need) that I would like to top work over to female so I may explore that this summer.
@@edibleacres Parents have a persimon in Portugal. No fruit 2019, but did fruit last year. Fruit trees galore in the area, but have not seen another persimon. This year again, plenty of fruit, but they are individual. No clusters.
Don't see why not. Graft is a graft. I have limited space. My apple has 4 grafts. Plum has 4 grafts and both pear tress 4 grafts. Find Scion grafts and it's pretty much plug and play.
@@edibleacres - Thank you for your response. If you do experiment, please do a video (if time permits). I'm researching how to graft.... haven't tried it yet. On new property...lots to do! Enjoy your videos!
Their like eating balls of sugar and the pawpaws are better i can eat a ton of pawpaw fruits they're tricky to get before the wild animals get them sometimes I'd pick some sooner before their ripe and let them ripen up how bananas do i been waiting a year to collect some more pawpaws. The old neighbor womans field is full of persimmon trees but not tasty pawpaws so im gonna spread those seeds so then she'll have pawpaw tree's to along with the persimmon tree's
I've got four growing from seed, but they're still small, at about 1 foot. I'll be planting them out soon. Thank you for this video, as now I know to plant them in close proximity to each other.
I would plant them in a group, if you end up with 3 males and 1 female you can cut two males or graft them over to females. If you have space, plant more!
@@edibleacres Does a fruit-bearing female tree produce male seeds in some of it’s fruit? I planted about 300 seeds from a single tree that is a heavy producer. Will I wind up with all female seedlings?
@@edibleacres Based on your description alone, I know that I need to order as many as I can this fall. I managed to snag one from you this spring but didn't realize the male/female thing. The baby you sent me is doing well, by the way. I was afraid I killed it because it took a while to wake up, but now it has lots of leaves and seems to be happy.
I hope I can my first paw paw trees from you this next yr. It's the one fruit I want so so so bad being a Florida boy in north Missouri. Never tried them but they sound so yum
Can a scion from a 2-years old seedling grafted on an old fruit bearing mature tree will become a fruit bearing part (since it is grafted on mature fruit-bearing tree) , or the grafted scion will have to wait long for its own maturity time to start fruting?
very good, but how to Identifying them before flowering period - i mean when they are young after seeding very good, but how to Identifying them before flowering period - i mean when they are young after seeding
I was thinking about this today, and then I saw your video! Thanks so much! I have a Szukis tree which can produce any combination of male and female flowers. Looks like mine is all male. 😕
@@edibleacres You said "Hopefully there are some lady branches tucked in there somewhere :)". Your statement makes me think about my persimmon "suzuki" which fruited the fist time this year and I noticed that it flowered and fruited only on one of the five branches. I don't recall seeing flowers on the other branches? Next late spring is the "watch" time for my Suzuki tree.
Have you tried your hand on grafting those DV over to cold hardy hybrids like Nikita’s Gift is said to be cold hardy to Zone 5. I am sure with the right micro climate it will survive the winters. I would not plant in zone 5 but grafting might be a better option.
to me it’s counterintuitive that female would have one flower and male would have triple cluster of flowers. Thinking of male and female reproductive anatomy in nature! To add I have one persimmon tree ab 8 years old and it grew very tall but never flowered yet! I am waiting 🤪!
Damnit, I think I got the male tree. Twice it bloomed and never produced any fruit. And the flowers grew in clusters. Is it possible to just graft the fuyu variety onto the american male trunk?
Thank you for your video. I have a native persimmon in my yard (zone 9a). It drops orange-colored fruit in late fall to early winter, but there are so many seeds, there is hardly any fruit to eat in them. They taste kind of like dates, what fruit you can get out of them. I just wish there weren't so many seeds. Can you eat persimmons if they fall to the ground after a freeze? I have also seen a small black-fruited persimmon in central Texas. Our horses used to like eating them. I never tried one.
do you have any japanese persimmon? we have 2 fuyu growing and they are sweet no matter when you pick them, ive found the american ones need to fall off the tree before they sweeten
We are just cold enough here that Japanese is not going to work for us. I know there are some mixed types that may, but marginally hardy is just not that exciting for me :) I'm cool with waiting until they fall, in fact my preference is to wait for snow and then look for persimmon sized holes in the snow and collect super clean, slightly frozen caramel tangerines in the winter. It feels like a dream
As Kyle mentioned... if you were to purchase a grafted female chances are they will produce seedless fruit on their own. Seedling grown Persimmon need males and females to get a decent fruit set.
Can’t wait to get persimmons. At the end of the film, you Say ladies and gentlemen, and for trees, this may be personification, but it works as an analogy because and is a reference to a norm, A biological norm. I would not use terms heteronorm. I don’t care for doublespeak coolaid words like this recently invented by queer studies professors to remake the language. Well I never met a tree arguing it’s assigned sex, or needed gender affirming care. Queer tree Does not exist in nature, or if it did it gets selected against. Don’t worry. You are not harming anyone by saying ladies and gentleman. In fact i should never stop using the terms ladies and gentleman.
Thank you for the video I purchased three American persimmons two of them are flourishing great the third one died but that was my fault I'm hoping I have a male and a female and not just to males
I don't know that I would suggest that at all... The males tend to be in clusters of 3 it seems... 1 or 2 flowers at a time feel like mainly female to me. I should be *very* clear that I'm learning as I go too! Mark the trees in question and know the answer in the fall!
Great video, thanks. Another tree I'd love to have. Trying to find somewhere in EU that will supply this type of tree as I know it will do well here but it's so hard to track down. If anyone in Europe has any contacts do let me know, more Eastern/northern the better.
Hi @Baltic Homesteaders I found several sources in Germany. Might be out of stock right now, but usually they have trees in the fall or early spring: www.gruener-garten-shop.de/search?sSearch=Diospyros+virginiana www.ackerbaum.de/sortiment/obstbaeume/ and www.lubera.com/de/shop/amerikansische-kaki_subkat-267-2.html
Can persimmon trees be grafted! I planted 2 of them this spring. If I find that they are both male trees, can I cut one off and graft a scion from a female onto the stump? Dave
So… does the Male branches have any benefits at all for helping females bear fruits?!! I have a tree that is female with a small portion of male branches…
@@johngordon9140 yup the whole tree is female but there is a big branch coming off the stump that’s male… leaves are different color and it has the smaller flowers.
@@johngordon9140 what I’m asking is if the female tree gets any benefits from the male trees… maybe pollinating? If Male is of no use, then I am considering to cut them off. I have no idea of gardening or how these work.
@@DxModel219 I mean is it possible to have male only tree, without any female branches. I don't know are male branches needed. I guess not, but I don't know if cut them off is a good idea. Maybe male flowers causes fruits have a seeds inside
Thanks for sharing. I bought some American persimmons from you last year but I haven’t seen any flowers on them yet. Do you typically ID whether they are M/F before shipping or are they just too young to tell at that point?
They begin to show flowers after quite a bit... 6-8years from seed seems to be the rough estimate I've found. Maybe sooner if they are in super happy soils. We don't sex them, but encourage folks to hopefully plant 5-10 if their land can fit that many :)
Some varieties are able to make fruit just as a female, most grafted types are this way... For the most part, however, you get WAY more fruit if males are around to pollinate.
I'm in zone 6 and only 1 of the 3 I bought from you this spring is showing any life. I'm not sure how long they take to bud out but if yours are grown from seed and only 1 lives, do I need to get more trees to get any fruit?
I'm not sure what happened there, but sorry for any frustrations. Sometimes they can take quite a whilie to wake up in the spring but by now most/all should be fully leafed out. We open for fall orders on September 1st and if you reach out then to let us know we would be more than happy to replace the plants that didn't thrive for you.
Not until they are ready to make flowers. Should be a few more years. Patience :) Good opportunity while you are waiting for the flowers to start to plant more trees!
I started some seeds a few years back in half gallon milk jugs with the top cut off. Had almost all sprout and survive at least 2-3 years in a semi shady spot on our porch. Good luck
Great video until the end, when you had to bring barf-worthy gender politics 🤮 into an otherwise enjoyable video. Appreciate the information shared before that-thanks. I'm still confused by the fact that I'm hearing/reading different things from different sources, as to whether these these trees are self-pollinating, or require a male tree nearby to pollinate them. (And YES, it's ok and useful to refer to some trees as male and some trees as female in the plant kingdom). If anybody out there knows definitively (not an educated guess, I can do that too, lol), please let me know! There might be others out there who have the same question... the literature seems confused about it. Thanks!!
Glad you found the video useful overall... Personally, I think it's pretty interesting and kinda great that they have that fluidity and complexity. I do refer to trees as male and female, and plants like seaberry for example are super locked in from the get go and thats great and it works wonderfully. Having examples in nature of more nuance and flow, to me, has nothing to do with politics. I get why you'd think that, but you may be surprised to hear some of my politics and there isn't an agenda embedded in here. Just a celebration of there being more complexity to it all.
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Thank for this. As a kid the family foraged for persimmons. The trees were older, establied & way too tall to see flower detail. We even tried binoculars once. Over the years we learned which were male or female & gave them names as a reminder.
Waw, that is a wonderful information deducted from your observation of male and female growth style at nodes.
One of my persimmon tree has been in ground growing well for more than ten years but never fruited. Coming spring I will check the flower growth structure to know if it is male or female. It was bought at Ken Taylor Green Barn Nursery.
My American persimmon (Suzuki) fruited this year after more that 7 years in ground.
Wonderful. I've got a whole bunch planted in both my intensive and extensive food forests. Now I know how to tell them apart when they start to flower. Some folks have mentioned grafting, I plan to try my hand at it both ways, male to female and female to male.
Best of luck in learning more about the Persimmon universe!
Male trees are very beneficial for pollinating. It gives more abundance fruit to other female trees around it . Even if you top working the male trees meaning grafting them with female leave some branches as a male.
Great video Shawn! Thanks again for your time and effort!
Glad you liked it.
That's very helpful! Thank you also for describing the flavor of Persimmons. I've never eaten one, but I will soon be planting 4.
This is lovely! I can attest to the occasional self-fertility of American Persimmons. I used to live near a single, very tall and mature American Persimmon that was the only one of it's kind for miles. Each year they would bear loads of fruit and occasionally some of those fruit would even have viable seed, from which I have grown many a young tree :)
Cool to hear your experience with that!
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very helpful. I've been wondering this for years. If I can find a female, I'm going to try to graft it to my males.
I didn’t even know one of my trees started to flower until I noticed some bees hovering around it. Now I know that tree is a male, and so I’m going to keep an eye on my other trees to find a female. I grew over a dozen from seed about 6 years ago.
Ps. Thanks for the help! ❤
Please start an American persimmon nursery. I doubt there is any amount you could grow that wouldn’t sell out.
We sell American Persimmon. We update inventory on September 1st. I tend to be super low key about that aspect, but generally if I'm doing a talk about a plant we also have it available for folks.
Saving this so I can ID my persimmon trees later on. Thank you!
Hope it is helpful.
Precise and concise explanation! 👍 we bought a persimmon tree a month ago ( we call it hairless since spring now and it has no leaves) we are still to find out if it female or male hopefully this year😊
Good luck!
Thank you for this video, very helpful and your ending regarding hetero-normativity was the icing on the cake. Bravo 👏
Wow what a beautiful tree, and what a beautiful flower on that female tree!
Thanks so much for this wonderful lesson on persimmons! I was just out by my mature persimmons and noticed that they were raining flowers! It’s the males dropping their flowers all at once… Don’t know why but at least I know it’s the males and not the fruit bearing parts! Hopefully this is normal - what a wonderful species!
Glad it was helpful!
Is it possible to combine 1 male & 1 female onto 1 tree, like apple trees, where grafting 1-3 types on one tree? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I haven't done this myself but it seems like a reasonable idea. We have a number of males (WAY more than we need) that I would like to top work over to female so I may explore that this summer.
@@edibleacres Parents have a persimon in Portugal. No fruit 2019, but did fruit last year. Fruit trees galore in the area, but have not seen another persimon. This year again, plenty of fruit, but they are individual. No clusters.
Don't see why not. Graft is a graft. I have limited space. My apple has 4 grafts. Plum has 4 grafts and both pear tress 4 grafts. Find Scion grafts and it's pretty much plug and play.
You'd be creating a Rebis- the alchemical magnum opus! :P
@@edibleacres - Thank you for your response. If you do experiment, please do a video (if time permits). I'm researching how to graft.... haven't tried it yet. On new property...lots to do! Enjoy your videos!
Truly a beautiful tree to have on any one's property! Even if you don't eat its fruit! Good show!
Their like eating balls of sugar and the pawpaws are better i can eat a ton of pawpaw fruits they're tricky to get before the wild animals get them sometimes I'd pick some sooner before their ripe and let them ripen up how bananas do i been waiting a year to collect some more pawpaws.
The old neighbor womans field is full of persimmon trees but not tasty pawpaws so im gonna spread those seeds so then she'll have pawpaw tree's to along with the persimmon tree's
Thank you. We have two trees and they happened to be male and female. Helpful facts.
I've got four growing from seed, but they're still small, at about 1 foot. I'll be planting them out soon. Thank you for this video, as now I know to plant them in close proximity to each other.
I would plant them in a group, if you end up with 3 males and 1 female you can cut two males or graft them over to females. If you have space, plant more!
@@edibleacres Does a fruit-bearing female tree produce male seeds in some of it’s fruit? I planted about 300 seeds from a single tree that is a heavy producer. Will I wind up with all female seedlings?
very good. i,ve been trying to identify 1 AP in my yard. Both are males. thank you.
I didn't realize they were dioecious. Last fall I planted a single American persimmon seedling. I might need to get a few more.
I would encourage you to plant a good number more.
@@edibleacres Based on your description alone, I know that I need to order as many as I can this fall. I managed to snag one from you this spring but didn't realize the male/female thing. The baby you sent me is doing well, by the way. I was afraid I killed it because it took a while to wake up, but now it has lots of leaves and seems to be happy.
Great info Sean. Thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks. Ive started from seed and ot was easy but ill have to start again. Would love a few in my yard.
Great you are trying from seed! Make sure you get them fresh and moist and healthy, not dried.
Great info. This is one I really want to plant, hoping to grab some for fall planting.
We'll be offering them September 1st on our website.
Ooh, so cool, and such pretty flowers!
They are really neat flowers!
I hope I can my first paw paw trees from you this next yr. It's the one fruit I want so so so bad being a Florida boy in north Missouri. Never tried them but they sound so yum
They are a fun plant.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for this!
Can a scion from a 2-years old seedling grafted on an old fruit bearing mature tree will become a fruit bearing part (since it is grafted on mature fruit-bearing tree) , or the grafted scion will have to wait long for its own maturity time to start fruting?
very good, but how to Identifying them before flowering period - i mean when they are young after seeding
very good, but how to Identifying them before flowering period - i mean when they are young after seeding
Thank you 😊
I was thinking about this today, and then I saw your video! Thanks so much! I have a Szukis tree which can produce any combination of male and female flowers. Looks like mine is all male. 😕
Bummer. Hopefully there are some lady branches tucked in there somewhere :)
@@edibleacres You said "Hopefully there are some lady branches tucked in there somewhere :)". Your statement makes me think about my persimmon "suzuki" which fruited the fist time this year and I noticed that it flowered and fruited only on one of the five branches. I don't recall seeing flowers on the other branches?
Next late spring is the "watch" time for my Suzuki tree.
Thank you 👍🏻
This is really understandable ..thanks
Glad it was useful!
@@edibleacres thanks you sir
Thank you for the information🙂
I got similar result - all flowers female. But all flowers dropped, no even single flower left. It's first year flowering. What's wrong?
Have you tried your hand on grafting those DV over to cold hardy hybrids like Nikita’s Gift is said to be cold hardy to Zone 5. I am sure with the right micro climate it will survive the winters. I would not plant in zone 5 but grafting might be a better option.
Haven't taken the steps to learn grafting persimmon just yet. It's on the list of hopes but nothing yet.
Very instructive video! Thank you very much
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the information!
Any time!
Thanks for the id's!! I never have fruit so now I know by the flowers I have all male...! Now to find a female! :)
Great info!
How old were your trees when they began flowering?
So do they need to have both male and female in order to produce fruit? Im guessing they do....
I had three fruiting persimmon trees. I cut them all down. Two grew back, but do not flower or produce fruit. What can I do to have fruit again?
to me it’s counterintuitive that female would have one flower and male would have triple cluster of flowers. Thinking of male and female reproductive anatomy in nature!
To add I have one persimmon tree ab 8 years old and it grew very tall but never flowered yet! I am waiting 🤪!
Fingers crossed for a lady!
In humans, millions of sperm (pollen in the case of trees) race to fertilize a single egg so it is actually aligned quite nicely with human biology!
Thanks so much for that important information.. btw how tall you think the female is is?
Damnit, I think I got the male tree. Twice it bloomed and never produced any fruit. And the flowers grew in clusters. Is it possible to just graft the fuyu variety onto the american male trunk?
Thank you sir.
Most welcome
Thank you for your video. I have a native persimmon in my yard (zone 9a). It drops orange-colored fruit in late fall to early winter, but there are so many seeds, there is hardly any fruit to eat in them. They taste kind of like dates, what fruit you can get out of them. I just wish there weren't so many seeds. Can you eat persimmons if they fall to the ground after a freeze? I have also seen a small black-fruited persimmon in central Texas. Our horses used to like eating them. I never tried one.
Best I've been able to tell, the fruit size is in large part determined by chill hours with larger fruits coming from colder zones.
do you have any japanese persimmon? we have 2 fuyu growing and they are sweet no matter when you pick them, ive found the american ones need to fall off the tree before they sweeten
We are just cold enough here that Japanese is not going to work for us. I know there are some mixed types that may, but marginally hardy is just not that exciting for me :)
I'm cool with waiting until they fall, in fact my preference is to wait for snow and then look for persimmon sized holes in the snow and collect super clean, slightly frozen caramel tangerines in the winter. It feels like a dream
Brilliant!
great video. do you need both male and female for pollination?
A lot of the common female cultivars will produce seedless fruit when not pollinated.
As Kyle mentioned... if you were to purchase a grafted female chances are they will produce seedless fruit on their own. Seedling grown Persimmon need males and females to get a decent fruit set.
5 years old trees and still no flowers. Is that normal?
Yes that seems reasonable, they take a while!
Thank you Good info.
How old are the trees before they start to flower?
Between 6 and 9 years generally...
How many years (from seed) until they fruit?
Roughly 6-8 years
Can’t wait to get persimmons. At the end of the film, you Say ladies and gentlemen, and for trees, this may be personification, but it works as an analogy because and is a reference to a norm, A biological norm. I would not use terms heteronorm. I don’t care for doublespeak coolaid words like this recently invented by queer studies professors to remake the language. Well I never met a tree arguing it’s assigned sex, or needed gender affirming care. Queer tree Does not exist in nature, or if it did it gets selected against. Don’t worry. You are not harming anyone by saying ladies and gentleman. In fact i should never stop using the terms ladies and gentleman.
Cheers to that!
Thank you for the video I purchased three American persimmons two of them are flourishing great the third one died but that was my fault I'm hoping I have a male and a female and not just to males
Either investing in a grafted female or trying to find room for a good handful of seedlings would be worth your while.
Do selected cultivars like" PROK" are really self fertil?Can asian persimmon polinate american persimmon?
I don't believe they can cross. PROK and others like that are supposed to be self fruitful. I believe that is the case
So if a flower has a cluster of 2 it's definitely a male?
I don't know that I would suggest that at all... The males tend to be in clusters of 3 it seems... 1 or 2 flowers at a time feel like mainly female to me. I should be *very* clear that I'm learning as I go too! Mark the trees in question and know the answer in the fall!
Great video, thanks. Another tree I'd love to have. Trying to find somewhere in EU that will supply this type of tree as I know it will do well here but it's so hard to track down. If anyone in Europe has any contacts do let me know, more Eastern/northern the better.
I hope you find an amazing source!
Hi @Baltic Homesteaders I found several sources in Germany. Might be out of stock right now, but usually they have trees in the fall or early spring: www.gruener-garten-shop.de/search?sSearch=Diospyros+virginiana www.ackerbaum.de/sortiment/obstbaeume/ and www.lubera.com/de/shop/amerikansische-kaki_subkat-267-2.html
www.shop.zahradnictvolimbach.sk/en/uootstocks-for-grafting Sometimes have Virginians rootstock.
Very bitter to when you eat one thats not rotten enough
Can persimmon trees be grafted! I planted 2 of them this spring. If I find that they are both male trees, can I cut one off and graft a scion from a female onto the stump?
Dave
That is the idea, I haven't tried it personally but I know of many folks who graft them successfully.
If one wants to plant one tree is it ok ??? Thanks
It's fine but very unlikely to get fruit unless it is a grafted female
@@edibleacres so one must have two persimmon trees ?
What if they are two female ?
So… does the Male branches have any benefits at all for helping females bear fruits?!! I have a tree that is female with a small portion of male branches…
That's confusing. Is whole tree male or female, or some branches are male and others are female, on the same tree?
@@johngordon9140 yup the whole tree is female but there is a big branch coming off the stump that’s male… leaves are different color and it has the smaller flowers.
@@DxModel219 How about whole tree male, so useless? Is that possible?
@@johngordon9140 what I’m asking is if the female tree gets any benefits from the male trees… maybe pollinating? If Male is of no use, then I am considering to cut them off. I have no idea of gardening or how these work.
@@DxModel219 I mean is it possible to have male only tree, without any female branches. I don't know are male branches needed. I guess not, but I don't know if cut them off is a good idea. Maybe male flowers causes fruits have a seeds inside
Thanks for sharing. I bought some American persimmons from you last year but I haven’t seen any flowers on them yet. Do you typically ID whether they are M/F before shipping or are they just too young to tell at that point?
They begin to show flowers after quite a bit... 6-8years from seed seems to be the rough estimate I've found. Maybe sooner if they are in super happy soils. We don't sex them, but encourage folks to hopefully plant 5-10 if their land can fit that many :)
are you companion with cornus varieties in your climate ??
We are. We have Cornus Mas in a number of spots and some Kousa. Amazing at thriving in the shade.
I have a lot of males popping up in my yard, so there's a female tree somewhere. 🕵🏾♂️
Do you need a male to get fruit?
Some varieties are able to make fruit just as a female, most grafted types are this way... For the most part, however, you get WAY more fruit if males are around to pollinate.
@@edibleacres ok, great info. You guys are awesome. Thanks for all you do for our growers' community. Many blessings
I'm in zone 6 and only 1 of the 3 I bought from you this spring is showing any life. I'm not sure how long they take to bud out but if yours are grown from seed and only 1 lives, do I need to get more trees to get any fruit?
I'm not sure what happened there, but sorry for any frustrations. Sometimes they can take quite a whilie to wake up in the spring but by now most/all should be fully leafed out. We open for fall orders on September 1st and if you reach out then to let us know we would be more than happy to replace the plants that didn't thrive for you.
@@edibleacres oh thank you, that is so kind. I will give them a little more time anyway. The hazelnut are thriving and really im quite pleased;)
Hey Shawn. I have two persimmons that are maybe two years old. Not flowering. Any way to know if they’re female/male at this point?
Not until they are ready to make flowers. Should be a few more years. Patience :)
Good opportunity while you are waiting for the flowers to start to plant more trees!
I still have not managed to be successful growing these. ☹️
Always worth trying again. We have some plants we tried many many times already with no luck but they just take a while to figure out their needs.
I started some seeds a few years back in half gallon milk jugs with the top cut off. Had almost all sprout and survive at least 2-3 years in a semi shady spot on our porch. Good luck
Great video until the end, when you had to bring barf-worthy gender politics 🤮 into an otherwise enjoyable video. Appreciate the information shared before that-thanks. I'm still confused by the fact that I'm hearing/reading different things from different sources, as to whether these these trees are self-pollinating, or require a male tree nearby to pollinate them. (And YES, it's ok and useful to refer to some trees as male and some trees as female in the plant kingdom). If anybody out there knows definitively (not an educated guess, I can do that too, lol), please let me know! There might be others out there who have the same question... the literature seems confused about it. Thanks!!
Glad you found the video useful overall...
Personally, I think it's pretty interesting and kinda great that they have that fluidity and complexity. I do refer to trees as male and female, and plants like seaberry for example are super locked in from the get go and thats great and it works wonderfully. Having examples in nature of more nuance and flow, to me, has nothing to do with politics. I get why you'd think that, but you may be surprised to hear some of my politics and there isn't an agenda embedded in here. Just a celebration of there being more complexity to it all.
My persimmon identified as a non binary, so I cut it down.
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Jesus is God & He loves you
Jesus will soon be seen by all men, women, and children up in the clouds. Jesus is returning now! Believe and be saved.
Exodus 3:14 (God speaking)
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 (Jesus speaking)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10:30 (Jesus speaking)
I and my Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, *The everlasting Father,* The Prince of Peace.
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us.*
John 1:1 & 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh (Lord Jesus), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 8:24 (Jesus speaking)
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins. For if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins
John 14:9 (Jesus speaking)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Hebrews 1:1-3, & 8 (God calls His Son "O God" because Jesus IS God in the flesh)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; *and every eye shall see him,* and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Isaiah 44:6 (God speaking)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 1:8 (Jesus speaking)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.*
Revelation 22:13 (Jesus speaking)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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There Are None Righteous / How To Be Saved
Romans 3:10 & 23
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking)
31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”)
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God being put to death in the flesh but quickened by the Spirit
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Is the persimmon fruiting secret hidden in your quotes above ?
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All of the world's little children will be taken to Heaven by Lord Jesus to escape the end of the world. They will suddenly disappear into thin air all at once.
Right before the final 7 years of mankind's rebellion to God's will is initiated (called the Tribulation / apocalypse) there will be a great rescue of the little children from earth to Heaven. Lord Jesus will have taken them home to safety. This includes little babies and toddlers and even those babies that are still growing from conception in their mother's wombs.
Matthew 19:14 (Jesus speaking)
But Jesus said, Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children.
Matthew 24:19 (Jesus speaking)
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
(At the start of the Tribulation - why not dreadful for the children themselves?)
Isaiah 47:9
But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children...
Isaiah 49:22 & 25
22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they (angels) shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.
25 ...and I will save thy children.
Jeremiah 10:20
My home is gone, and no one is left to help me rebuild it. My children have been taken away, and I will never see them again.
Jeremiah 31:15
This is what the Lord says: A cry is heard in Ramah, deep anguish and bitter weeping. Rachel weeps for her children, refusing to be comforted for her children are gone.
Micah 1:16
Shave your heads in sorrow, for the children you love will be snatched away. Make yourselves as bald as a vulture, for your little ones have been removed from you!
Right after the little children are rescued from what's coming the next major event to happen will be a major asteroid impact. This will come with signs of light in the skies heralding its arrival 3 days in advance, described below.
Matthew 24:27 (Jesus speaking)
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luke 10:18 (Jesus speaking)
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
This next bit comes from dreams and visions God has given us over the years. The skies turning colors is directly in reference to Matthew 24:27 where Jesus warned us that there would be a crazy light show going on right before the 2nd rapture. Jesus Himself set the course of the coming asteroid in order to wake people from their sleep. Upon impact this asteroid will cause a 12.0 earthquake, a mega flaming shockwave for many hundreds of miles, world wide mega tsunamis, will split America in two, and will even stop time for 3 days as the sun and moon will stay in their places in the sky for those 3 days, and finally will kill millions of people.
This asteroid is going to land between the island of Mona and the city of Mayaguez, Puerto Rico at 2:00am Puerto Rico time. (We know the hour, but not the date).
When you see these final signs you'll know it's beginning:
- The skies all over the entire world will turn colors like the auras
- After that the skies will turn red for 3 days as a final warning
- Then the asteroid hits
- Then the 3 days of darkness arrive where all the light on the earth is extinguished. No light from the sun or moon or stars. It will be so dark you will be blind.
Revelation 8:8-9 (The asteroid)
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
We now know that we’re waiting for the children to be taken home and the skies to turn colors like the auras. When the skies start acting up, there’s 3 days left and we know the asteroid impacts at 2:00am Puerto Rico time.
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There Are None Righteous / How To Be Saved
Romans 3:10 & 23
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking)
31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”)
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.