They bought a home they COULD NOT AFFORD and got into financial trouble...

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024

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  • @joshconsultancy
    @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +1

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  • @shurakishi4707
    @shurakishi4707 Před 10 měsíci +33

    1) In sg, half of our live's financial problems is our money which goes to financing the HDB/condo/residential property. Once this is fully paid off (ASAP if possible) it really takes a huge chunk of the problem away. I bought my HDB resale with pure cash. I didn't believe in loans even though one may say can use loans to leverage etc. The reasoning is i don't want the stress of needing to set aside sums of money every month for mortgage.
    2) General rule - do not buy what you cannot afford. If you can't afford a 5 room HDB (including all that comes along, renovation costs, furniture costs etc), then pls do not buy that 5 room flat.
    3) Kids are a finite financial expense. If you are short in finances, please do not think of having too many kids or having kids at all. This may sound anti-family, but it is true.
    4) The best insurance plan is actually to keep healthy. It is not exactly insurance plans. Of course they are also important, i'm not saying they aren't. However, you will realise that terms and conditions of health insurances are increasingly getting more and more fluid, and insurers are even changing terms of existing plans and riders.
    Spend money to get nutritious and healthy food, by all means spend money for that gym or exercise class to stay healthy. spend money for good health screening annually.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +3

      Pov noted
      3) Kids may not be the problem. If a 3rd flat was chosen at start, maybe loans can be avoided?
      4) Insurance covers when circumstance of own health is beyond ones control. But yes agree, do take care of health.

    • @shurakishi4707
      @shurakishi4707 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@joshconsultancy Yes. Not advocating for no insurance cover. More importantly, please do not overspend on unnecessary cover.
      if they have chosen a smaller flat from the start, then maybe things may not be the way it is also.
      Also if they had a smaller flat initially, maybe they may also not want to have so many kids. Cos there is that finite physical limitation right in front of their face.

    • @michellezhu5230
      @michellezhu5230 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@shurakishi4707, agree 100% with you

    • @yongdesmond5412
      @yongdesmond5412 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Not true man, if you are a Singaporean, you can easily afford an HDB and settled it by CPF within few years, most immatured estate has 3 room, 4 room HDB at 2~300k only. The problem is people always like to wear a hat that is bigger than their head, looking to buy prime location which easily sets them off half a million or even a million dollar, so who is to blame? Also HDB loan is still pegged at 2.6% and nobody praising the gov of ther vision.

    • @shurakishi4707
      @shurakishi4707 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@yongdesmond5412 I don’t think it is easily afforded even with full CPF. The assumption of the message that our government has always been singing is if you use CPF for a BTO. BTO need to apply and you can’t assume everyone who applies it will get it.
      Even if you do meet all of the criteria for BTO and pay for it fully with CPF of both husband and wife, it is not paid off in a few years. But much longer.

  • @definitiv
    @definitiv Před 10 měsíci +6

    If she needs someone to tell her recommendation 1, she needs a full fledged advisor

  • @hummit
    @hummit Před 10 měsíci +4

    Financing for new home purchase should not have been an afterthought. Planning before purchase is key.

  • @fatcat4.0
    @fatcat4.0 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Totally agree with Josh:
    *#1 CLEAR THE BANKRUPTCY NOW*

  • @shawnchua6631
    @shawnchua6631 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Based on total monthly of 11k, I think their total annual is ard 130k, not 50k for wife and 130k for husband.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      The budget is on monthly take home. Hope it clarifies

  • @marcuskwek8787
    @marcuskwek8787 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Fantastic video made!
    I will also recommend her whole family to get adequate medical insurance coverage. They can go for govt coverage, no need for private. This way, their already tight finances would not be made even worse by any unexpected H&S scenarios.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Thank you for the high praise.
      Yes agree medical insurance is needed

  • @iliveunknown
    @iliveunknown Před 10 měsíci +1

    14:33 you mention if hit FRS then it becomes liquid. If I understand CPF rules correctly, cash top up cannot be withdrawn. So if FRS is 100k and 20k is salary contribution and 90k is cash top up. You won't be able to withdraw the excess 10k. Even if the numbers are flipped, cannot withdraw either since salary contribution less than FRS

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +4

      Amounts above FRS can be withdrawn. Cash top or earned in employment 👌🏻

    • @marvelcomiks8078
      @marvelcomiks8078 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Cannot be withdrawn if you don't meet the agreed BRS/FRS. If you meet you can withdraw.

  • @ryanyoutube7315
    @ryanyoutube7315 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Caveats to pt 1.. my family member is bankrupt, and will like to keep it that way vs discharged. Cos they haven't really learn the lesson.. being a bankrupt helps to ringfence family expenses

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Valid point. In this situation, I think they are well on the way back up.
      The worry was should the emergency cash be used to clear the loan off. For this case, I supported that. 🙂

  • @stevenheng3336
    @stevenheng3336 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Good thing is banks are not giving anymore reno loan... so most will go for credit lines hence higher interest

    • @cathhl2440
      @cathhl2440 Před 10 měsíci

      Oh! Didn't know that...
      Why is this a good thing, though?

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +1

      There is renovation loan still available

    • @stevenheng3336
      @stevenheng3336 Před 10 měsíci

      @joshconsultancy many banks are not giving anymore... my best understanding is the profit is thin and many people defaulted or bankrupted knowing banks won't get anything and also many have their contractors to fake the quotation.. old trick

  • @christinaaugustine27
    @christinaaugustine27 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Totally enjoyed your video, lesson learnt 👍

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thank you 🙏 share with someone who should hear too

  • @JamesDeanDiedIn1955
    @JamesDeanDiedIn1955 Před 8 měsíci +1

    are these people joking? 180k a year income, cannot handle a small amount of debt. They dont have an income problem, they have a spending problem. Bankrupt already and still hire maid? The 5 kids can easily handle house work

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 8 měsíci

      When household is big, there is a lot to clean and wash. Especially if want to stay home eat to save money
      Maybe we cut them some slack there. It's not like luxury spending and stuff

    • @JamesDeanDiedIn1955
      @JamesDeanDiedIn1955 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@joshconsultancy many hands make light work, divide house work among 5 kids, five, lima, Wu, 五, 오, cinco, fünf
      Parents can netflix and chill

  • @eugeneleeproperty
    @eugeneleeproperty Před 10 měsíci +2

    Hi. Just to add on, even if bankruptcy status is cleared, it’s highly unlikely that bank will allow repricing and other banks will allow refinancing. Because banks look at past repayment habits and credit history, and with a stained record, this couple will face huge push backs from banks. So this also imply that: shall the couple decides to downgrade to another property, it’s either under sole ownership (wife) if they need to take a mortgage loan from bank (provided they do not have to depend on husband’s cpf monies to finance) or fully pay and buy a small flat in a cheaper location. If all these housing options are out, they have to appeal to hdb for another hdb loan, with supporting documents (may or may not be successful). All these are important points to note because if they are clearing their bankruptcy status solely for the purpose of taking bank loan, then they may be sorely disappointed. Do check with banks first before even proceeding.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Good point raised Eugene

    • @leanne2330
      @leanne2330 Před 10 měsíci

      Yes, be careful. Maybe hold cash in hand... But if go appeal HDB for help, there maybe more options... To move to 4rm.

  • @gladysloy5780
    @gladysloy5780 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I wouldn’t recommend #1,to use emergency funds to pay off debts and discharge from bankruptcy. The $50k is her only funds available in case of recession e.g losing jobs. Moreover, her husband should be under a restructure fix repayment $800 per month with no more additional interest. At her husband age late forties also face limitations in his job pursuit. Do note that even after bankruptcy discharge, banks still wouldn’t grant any housing loan or credit cards due to the his old record of bankruptcy.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 9 měsíci

      Noted, valid point raised

    • @nlee7980
      @nlee7980 Před 3 dny

      Retrenchment risk is very high at late 40s. Can their current arrangements withstand stress test ? Another arrangement can be, out of $3k savings , allocate $1.5k for clearing bankruptcy. In about 3 yrs plus they can use the lump sum to clear bankruptcy, plus not touching e-funds and can still save $1.5k for future retirement

  • @stevenheng3336
    @stevenheng3336 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I dont encourage to get himself discharged now... paying $800 doesnt mean he can get a job than 130k and dont think his Company will pay him more than 130k after his discharged.
    .

  • @pohkhui
    @pohkhui Před 10 měsíci +1

    Combined salary 180k. Still can go bankrupt. Can't understand. Not Overstress, is over burst.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +2

      Not really the income as what I teach here often “it’s how much you keep”.
      The reason for the loan in the first place was little/no savings due to family situation

    • @fartboystinks
      @fartboystinks Před 10 měsíci

      You can go bankrupt when you take risks as a business owner. It is not always personal financial ill-discipline

  • @user-kt7to7pk5t
    @user-kt7to7pk5t Před 10 měsíci

    We have to be realistic with what we have and what we can afford. dont be greedy to over swallow what we cant afford. There are alot of wants and desire but we have to be practical and see if we can afford.

  • @swimlah
    @swimlah Před 10 měsíci +2

    Good advice

  • @sydneyh6610
    @sydneyh6610 Před 10 měsíci

    Consider hiring part time helper to bring down some costs since they can skip paying salary + utility bills + meals for the full time helper . Family members can chip in to do more housework

  • @superjames3556
    @superjames3556 Před 9 měsíci

    i just think the cash envelop of 3.8k and bills of 2.7k just look excessively high. i guess the family needs to identify the big ticket items in these 2 categories, sort out "need to" expense vs "nice to have" expenses and reduce the expenses. the loan of 305k and 55k bankruptcy debt is really not difficult to clear if they manage their expenses better considering their take home pay is 11.7k/mth or 140k/annum. if they just reduce the expense to 50% of takehome, that would be 70k/annum of savings. the bankruptcy debt could easily clear within a year. Home loan is paid through CPF which at least eases the burden on their immediate cashflows.
    Just off hand looking, i am not sure if tuition fees and having a maid are that necessary when u are in a state of bankruptcy. it certainly looks more like "nice to have" items. Parental support could be a huge burden under bills and that is something that could also be discussed with the parents.

  • @darrylyk
    @darrylyk Před 9 měsíci

    Having children does not equate you need a bigger house; I know of people with 3 siblings sleeping in a triple decker bed growing up in a 3-room HDB.
    Hence its your lifestyle that you need to adjust.

  • @mjmf1430
    @mjmf1430 Před 8 měsíci

    Maid could be a luxury since 2 children are already working. This means that there are at least 4 grown adults in the house plus 2 or 3 teenagers surely they can all handle and share household chores to reduce cost further.

  • @joejoe6136
    @joejoe6136 Před 3 měsíci

    Maybe I will settle bankruptcy.
    Sell away 5 room flat depending which area. Unlock fund from sale.
    Buy new Ec 3 bed around 1.4 mil or 4 bed 1.6 mil.
    Have life insurance.
    8 years later probably can get 400k-700k profit
    Go back and buy 3,4 or 5 room flat in cash.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 3 měsíci

      Cant take the loan for 1.4m EC i guess?

    • @joejoe6136
      @joejoe6136 Před 3 měsíci

      @@joshconsultancy 5 room flat I don't know where it is , if at good area are they probably take back 800k up
      Just need to take a bit loan after they settle bankruptcy, is troublesome process also long but I think years later will make a big difference

  • @whis5448
    @whis5448 Před 10 měsíci +2

    High pay high expenses, this is very normal for the youngsters, but didn't expect this couple who is in late 40s also like that. That is why don't overspend, because when you are distress over money, it will normally lead to other problems.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Oh, they bought the home many years back not recently.
      But the loan burden dragged...
      on hindsight a good learning point I should expand further 🙏

  • @leotan5686
    @leotan5686 Před 10 měsíci

    5 room hdb apartments cant do lease buy back as of now..

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      I understand… in future if insufficient for retirement

  • @SWTAN-JEFFREY
    @SWTAN-JEFFREY Před 5 dny

    Its an invalid assumption of the case..
    By look at the 800 monthly discharge would imply he is willing to keep the bankruptcy status, from his 50k saving, i would speculate that he is also owning some ahlong money which he could not pay and its common when one gets into gambling debt .
    So, the wife should not bail him out if my specualtion is valid coz gambling harbit of him is not easy to cure.
    And yr recommendation of bail out the husband would b invalid.
    Obviously ,u have not done due diligence of why he kept the bankrutcy status .

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 5 dny

      Be nice

    • @SWTAN-JEFFREY
      @SWTAN-JEFFREY Před 5 dny

      ​@@joshconsultancy i thought i was point out one common sense question of not fully discharge from bankruptcy status.
      Nothing to do with nice or not if U are giving best advice to yr client right?
      Have to b honest about it when they got 50k in saving account , and the outstanding debt was stated as 55k yet keen to remain discharge .. common sense to me is that it reveals there are others hidden private debt of which not stated on table.
      In Vews of such hidden said condition not been revealed to u, is not that yr advice would b irrelevant ?

  • @user-xt5tx5yv9f
    @user-xt5tx5yv9f Před 10 měsíci +1

    Who encourage & influence them to buy :)

    • @schadenfreude6274
      @schadenfreude6274 Před 6 měsíci +1

      5 kids somemore. Thats the stupidest thing anyone can do. 🙂

  • @livedtea4363
    @livedtea4363 Před 10 měsíci

    kind of crazy to think that household income of >150k is struggling like this.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      It was lower in yesteryears. Lack of savings is a problem

  • @cathhl2440
    @cathhl2440 Před 10 měsíci

    Have to look at the age of the children... but no maid is possible. Need careful planning and afterschool care (which may be a great thing because there's stable routine for the children).
    Two kids are working. Are they contributing? One to cover power bill, the other water bill.
    University fees? Is it an endowment payment? Otherwise, the kids should get bank loan for their studies.
    I think they can make it. Bite the bullet...

  • @limtc1733
    @limtc1733 Před 4 měsíci

    Take loan for renovation. For what? I’d rather sleep well on a thin mattress than worry about finances on a sealy bed. If need to take loan means cannot afford. Cannot afford then don’t buy. Simple.

  • @leanne2330
    @leanne2330 Před 10 měsíci

    U can't reprice if you are in the locked in 2 years....

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      They past lock in from my understanding. In lock in it also Depends on clause 👌🏻

  • @marvelcomiks8078
    @marvelcomiks8078 Před 10 měsíci

    $300k at 4.3% interest paying 2.3k every month? That means they are only paying 1k every month towards the loan. How to finish paying 300k? Its going to take them 30 years at this rate. Already in late 40s. Based on this calculation, they cannot retire until they are almost 80. Think they seriously need financial counselling.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Maybe ... but lets also lets not judge too harshly 🙏
      There may be details or further circumstances that I dont know also

    • @marvelcomiks8078
      @marvelcomiks8078 Před 10 měsíci

      @@joshconsultancy Not judging, just warning they are seriously over stretched.

  • @babibrain
    @babibrain Před 10 měsíci

    It's a terrible idea for his wife to drain her personal savings to bail out her husband's debt. She'll be left feeling vulnerable and exposed. Instead of coddling their children, they should push them to get off their backsides and start earning. Downsize to a smaller, more affordable flat once the kids are pulling their weight. Live within your means, for crying out loud. They should retire ASAP and not even entertain the thought of working till 60. Time's ticking, so cut the excess and make those kids shoulder their own damn burdens.

  • @DonYang73
    @DonYang73 Před 10 měsíci

    A lesson to learn

  • @cheenangng4050
    @cheenangng4050 Před 9 měsíci

    Savings of 3k plus, I think this is not even a good case study.

  • @billtay2839
    @billtay2839 Před 10 měsíci

    Just asking if critical illness insurance is good to have although I have the ENHANCED INCOMESHIELD PREFERRED. I am 60 years old and currently retired.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +1

      I’ve to avoid specific advice on public 👌🏻
      If you’d like to cut down on premiums, chowing advantage plan can save you some money. Pros and cons apply.
      If question is with ci, do you still need hospital insurance, answer is definitely yes because hospital bills can vary and be long lasting. Ci plan doesn’t pay for all situations in hospital and is usually a 1x payoff. Hope it answers and speak to a qualified adviser 👌🏻

  • @sj3195
    @sj3195 Před 10 měsíci

    But still have to be their guarantor?

  • @qem1941
    @qem1941 Před 8 měsíci

    May I ask, why not get Early Critical Illness?

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 8 měsíci

      Should get also but budgets are tight now. Ci to be prioritized

  • @nicholaschua7269
    @nicholaschua7269 Před 9 měsíci

    Why didn’t take hdb loan?

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 9 měsíci

      Good question. Potentially would have helped the situation
      - HDB loan has eligibility conditions =)

  • @christinaaugustine27
    @christinaaugustine27 Před 10 měsíci

    Hi, what’s your take on topping up the Full Retirement Fund for ( 65 yo payout for life ) or better to save it in the bank or fixed deposits ? That is if one has some saving in the bank. Which is better ? Thank you in advance 🙏

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +1

      At this moment 3-4% interest can be earned with fixed deposit. Putting to RA has less appeal. I shared this during the Josh Tan Finance Summit. Look out for it soon 👌🏻

    • @christinaaugustine27
      @christinaaugustine27 Před 10 měsíci

      @@joshconsultancyThank you very much 🙏

  • @agtay424
    @agtay424 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Take loans for house down payment and renovation - inflated lifestyle. Did they watch “money not enough” by liang zi qiang?

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci +3

      Be nice 👌🏻luckily the hole is not too deep. Hopefully this sharing can help young first time home buyers be more aware

  • @fartboystinks
    @fartboystinks Před 10 měsíci

    @joshconsultancy
    No. 4 is not doable. You cannot top up your CPF when you are a bankrupt

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Clear the bankruptcy first. After its cleared 👌

  • @fool1124
    @fool1124 Před 10 měsíci +1

    How long have they been employed? 180k income can not pay off 5hdb flat? I cant feel sorry for them

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Sharp eyes 👏, there were indeed periods of unemployment from layoffs

  • @davidlee3806
    @davidlee3806 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Greedy and over confident buyers like to buy big units, hoping to reap huge profit. Like any other investment, nothing is guaranteed. People who got their fingers burnt only have themselves to blame.

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      This situation is for home stay 🙏
      Overstretching not because of greed but more of lack of budgeting and awareness of the harm loans bring

    • @davidlee3806
      @davidlee3806 Před 10 měsíci

      5 room units are not a necessity for a typical small family. Many hope to sell later for a huge profit, assuming life is smooth sailing. For survival in Singapore you must squeeze yourself unless you're filthy rich.

  • @steventan146
    @steventan146 Před 10 měsíci

    Lease back, doesn’t work. They only late 40

  • @devil0spy
    @devil0spy Před 10 měsíci

    I m sorry but I have a beginner question. I just got a BTO and using CPF to pay ... should I pay off the hdb loan first or cpf loan first ? 😅

    • @Longtermalwayswins
      @Longtermalwayswins Před 10 měsíci

      None. Housing loans are good debts. If its cpf loans, keep it. If u have comfortable sum to pay off then let it run its course. Excess oa invest. Excess money pump into MA, max it then max SA. Then excess savings keep for emergency funds for 1 yr and put these into high interest savings or fixed income/bonds. Then remaining money invest in stocks

    • @joshconsultancy
      @joshconsultancy  Před 10 měsíci

      Think there’s only 1 loan which is the hdb loan for mortgage.
      Depending on risk appetite it can be invested for the long term. Topping up to SA also is a route. Both have pros and cons.
      OA can buy t-bills now. Something I covered in the finance summit. Look out to purchase access for it soon 👌🏻

    • @Longtermalwayswins
      @Longtermalwayswins Před 10 měsíci

      hdb can take up private loans too. if your income ceiling is high esp resale hdb@@joshconsultancy

  • @conniechan4576
    @conniechan4576 Před 9 měsíci

    👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @Hardtruthhurts
    @Hardtruthhurts Před 9 měsíci +1

    Maid?? 5 bedroom..
    Enjoy life ya.. 😅

  • @evildaddyz
    @evildaddyz Před 6 měsíci

    why they still need a maid? my mum would had kick our ass haha

  • @tedchandran
    @tedchandran Před 10 měsíci

    Jai Hinduja. If cannot afford, property purchase must be funded by high rentals.

  • @garlicbread68
    @garlicbread68 Před 10 měsíci

    Find a better richer man duh.