Fanatec CSL vs Thrustmaster T300 RS - Should you spend more?
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2020
- An eternal question in sim racing. Will this equipment suit me or should I spend more to get better? Even if I spend more will I ever see the benefit? The T300RS and the Fanatec CSL have always been part of this battle.
Hopefully, this video will help you out choosing.
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Mechanix gloves. Cheap, durable, confortable.
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I use Mechanix 0.5mm Covert glove. They are very good for this use.
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im using a* bike gloves with my t500 stock wheel (sharp rubber ridge) but my hands get sweaty in no time
If i recommend the mechanix? Yeah. They are pretty great. But from personal experience sweating depends on the body response to insulation. Some bodies only allow for cotton gloves. Others are ok with everything. Mechanix is an abrasion resistance worglove, so it'll have a lot of synthetic that can make you sweat a lot. I used to use another set of mechanix, the regular fastfit, and i use to sweat a lot in them. the fast multicam are slightly thicker but help more somewhat.
I mean considering the price, of a mechanix glove, it's not a huge waste of money. And considering they are work gloves, if you cant use them for simracing, you might use them in the car or in the garden (( like I use them too)
goddamn it, Is ound like a mechanix sales rep
Not going to lie i am shocked i fell for these youtube vids. Got the Fanatec becasue of all the hype. Got bad news for everyone The T300 is practically the TS PC and both of them feel and are practically the same as the Fanatec. I only noticed a big difference going from a TMX to the T300 then hardly any difference going from T300 to TS PC to the Fanatec, if your wheel is not smooth then something is wrong with your T300 or was not set up properly. I think the T300 was the most fun upgrade.
as someone getting into the hobby this is a very valuable comment.
Thanks man
Damn I must be so lucky! I just bough the T300rs GT version for 200.- on the used market. I am having an absolute blast.
I can use T300rs with Fanatec CSL pedals right? I think it would be a good pack overall
That's because the Fanatec CSL Elite is a belt-driven system. It's literal garbage.
It's funny, really only got into sim racing last year and it has a lot of parallels with my main hobby, playing guitar... Particularly where the obsession with procuring gear far outweighs the hobby itself. Also, the law of diminishing return sets in very quickly.
Mac I hear you! I’ve got more guitars than I have time to play!
I only need one pedal, wheel, and base which is the best one I can afford. Where each guitar is unique, I need 9 currently. I think a more appt comparison to this test in the music world would be solid state vs tube amp, the tm being a boss katana and the fanatec being a mesa boogie. They do almost the same thing, but if you were on stage, in the studio, or racing in an online tournament for money, there is only one choice.
@@trevorD1156 Sorry mate, but if you think a Katana and a Mesa do almost the same thing then you need to sell some guitars and book on for an ear transplant. :)
Lol same im about to buy drums and violin and 3d printer and vr googles after buying wheels.
@@dimsoneillno I'm right. they're both amplifiers, they do the same thing Mesa's are just much better and cost more accordingly. One is for professional musicians the other is for amateurs and hobbyist. If you really like either activity you should invest in the better equipment cause eventually you'll buy it and lose money selling the cheaper one.
Finally, a straight comparison video between these two :) Thanks a lot for that. I am planning to upgrade to CSL Elite in the future.
It’s actually pointless to compare these wheels they are not really in the same category the csl is far superior and by far more expensive hence they are not really competing against each other
I can confirm that the new Thrustmaster T-LCM load cell pedals are absolutely phenomenal and are a must need product.
Agree. Especially for the price
Out of stock at the moment for loadcell kit. Kicking myself for not buying them earlier. Normal pedals still feel amazing to me but I came from g29 before so not much competition
@@JonnieGreenMJYT my g920 broke and so im returning it after 7 days. A bit of saving up and getting a t300. Is it worth it tho?
@@SIMRIG412 the v3 set is almost double the price lol. The only loadcell pedal set close to the price of the T-LCM is the Fanatec CSl Elite LC pedals which are still more. You must have never used the T-LCM pedals because the build quality is solid regardless of the plastic base. At this price point there is no better loadcell pedal set that competes with it.
Does GT version comes with this pedal mod?
Thanks for learning me some differences between the two wheels!
The pedals make more difference then any wheel
depends. my g25 is terrible to drift or rally. its really hard to correct a snap back cause the wheel is so inaccurate and slow. plus its really loud
Atte Anttila ya I can understand what you are saying there.
@@Elemendal ya but you would probably have faster times with a fanatec lc pedals than buying even this thrustmaster set.
I have T300 with CSL LC pedals. Good combo !
@@simracingchannel7691 Hey, I was thinking about doing that to ! Is it easy to setup (like simply plug via USB?) and do you think that combo is better then the New T LCM pedals?
Thank you for this comparison, it is something I have been looking out for. One thing you could have mentioned is that a cheap way to improve the feel of the brake of the T3PA pedals you can put in the Conical Brake mod which greatly reduces brake locking, a common problem with potentiometer pedals. The T3PA can also have the Load Cell mod, but the Conical Brake mod is easier to do. Also I have a T300RS & an OSW Direct Drive wheel. Of course the OSW is much more powerful & gives more accurate steering feel, but the T300RS is still a very competent wheelbase. One thing is for sure, you will not become an alien by going from belt drive to direct drive. Its all about driving skill. It took me some time to get used to the OSW before I could put lap times a bit better than the T300RS.
I can give my opinion because I have both.
There is no way around. The CSL is better. Feels and drives better. It is also a lot more expensive and every time you want an upgrade, it will cost you. A lot.
The T300 I have is the Ferrari 599XX Alcantara Edition (When I bought they were offering the the manual shifts). It is a around 150€ more expensive than the normal version but worth it.
It brings a bigger and just awesome rim and the T3PA pedals. I.have to say... pound for pound I think this T300 version is the best solution on market.
Of course. If money isn't an issue. Go Fanatec. You never go wrong there.
But what about the reliability of t300?
@@manuelbedoni5588 i have t300, brought it back twice. First problem pedals didnt work (bad luck imo) second problem the fan making loud noises. 3rd is perfect still going strong. Pretty nice price for the wheel. Biggest tip: buy it at a company who has a nice return policy. 2 years garanty is nice to have. (It's a France product after all haha)
I agree, pound for pound, the T300rs is unbeatable. The fanatec stuff is great too, just paying a bit more for a premium.
@@manuelbedoni5588 If you read enough about it online, you will know what needs to be done. Update to the latest firmware, always turn the device on while the USB is connected so it's calibrated correctly. Do not run at 100% FFB/torque and it will be reliable for many years.
@@manuelbedoni5588 I don't have any issue with my T300. It is true the fans are a little loud. But not much different from all the other I tried. Of course you need to follow the right procedures. Update the firmware. connect it to electricity and to the USB door before you start you computer or playstation.
Really appreciate your review it's clear and concise I think I'm going to make a decision on the T300 I already have a t150 I do no Formula 1 racing only GT plus I already have the tp3 a pedal set
I've got the T300 RS pack. Had it for over a year now and it performs the exact same as day one. The pedals are decent but I don't like to conical break mod, I've made my own Progressive mod. I was looking at both sets mentioned when buying and felt that the T300 RS pack was the best bang for you buck option, one year in and zero regrets.
Nice clear review, useful info. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
About 2 years ago, I upgraded my g29 after getting my dad into sim racing. I spent many hours researching, weighing options and debating with my dad over what route to go. Within 6 months we got identical CSL Elite wheel setups with load cell pedals. We are both very happy with our purchases and for our use and skill level, have hardware that's more than adequate.
legit impossible to get right now unless u buy the 600$ wheelbase. company needs to expand their factories already
How's your CSL held up 8 months later? I keep reading horror stories about the shaft bending or electronic failures.
@@OGbrundle my wheel has been great so far. Over the summer I did upgrade my wheel to the ClubSport RS wheel (got RMA'd quickly due to led issue) and having a metal hub makes the entire thing feel more solid. I was a bit disappointed to notice the "stock" wheel was actually stress fracturing around the plastic hub... But otherwise, the actual wheelbase is holding up really well. Still recommend one if they can still be found new.
As far as shafts bending, I can only think of user error, either using the wheel to pull themselves out of their sim rig or setting the FFB too high and torquing the wheel...
Thank you for the advice!
This is what I needed to hear, honestly. I've been trying to get out of the Logitech ecosystem because they discontinued support for the G27 without fixing some awful driver bugs. I have to literally reinstall the drivers every time I want to use the wheel. I've been looking at Fanatec, because I'm investing in high quality controllers for my space sim experience. But honestly I don't do much sim racing, and the other driving games I play are truck sims and farming sims, so I don't really need a strong sim racing setup. I've got issues with some of Thrustmaster's stuff, but the 300RS GT looks like a pretty good fit for now. Then, if I get more into sim racing, I can sell it and upgrade.
Great comparison, thank you. I have raced with my Fanatec CSR wheel and CSR Elite pedals for 8 years now, and the Fanatec quality is remarkable. A few minor things have begun to malfunction recently, such as the pedal connector to the wheel itself - no biggie as I now connect to USB on the PC and Fanaleds provides all functionality (such as rumble) flawlessly. Looking at possible replacements, I am hoping to go with Fanatec again for longevity ... the only issue is price. Boy, have Fanatec wheels become expensive! They were much cheaper in the early days.
I've had a T300 for 3 years, and loved every minute of it. The base screw has worn out the threads so it's a bit hard to mount now, but hasn't given me much trouble considering heavy use. I just ordered a new Fanatec set with the load cell pedals, because I have loved sim racing so much with the T300 I am qualified skill wise to upgrade. Just buy what best fits your interest, skill level and pocketbook. Thrustmaster just released some load cell brakes so that and the T300 would make you as competitive as you need to be.
yeah mine is worn too cuz i brute force it once. Do you know where can i find a new screw that works? is it custom measurement or generic?
@@ericgl182 Unscrew it and bring it to a hardware store and figure it out. It's definitely a specific size but I'd be willing to bey you can find one close enough or identical to the original
@@ericgl182 I tried to order from Thrustmaster but you have to buy the whole mounting kit, not just the screw. I just bought a bolt that was the same size with some washers and a nut I had to install inside. Not pretty but it works. Good luck!
I am also curious to try out some aftermarket wheels with the Thrustmaster adapter that some 3rd party sites sell.
Of all the reviews, this one sold me the T300RSGT. Bless you, man.
I use the T300 wheel with the CSL LC pedals. This is a very nice combo imo.
Did you need the club sport adapter to connect it to the drive hub?
I was just about to ask if it's possible to use those 2 together. Are they compatible out of the box or do I need anything extra?
@@hubert1142 it's compatible you just need to use the collective minds drive hub
@@hubert1142 on the PC you can use them together out of the box.
Great concept for your video!
Glad you liked it!
Having decent pedals is a must for drifting if you have a heavy foot like I do, extra resistance is always a plus. Wish I had money for the fanatec... but I stuck to thrust master.... I do wish fanatec expand to amazon, makes shopping more convenient for me
Great video and thank you
The good old law of diminishing returns. at some price point a product is just good and paying double of that doesn't mean it's twice as good.
Is the fanatec better? yes, but twice as good as the t300? No.
So it's just preference at this point
It really depends on what you are using the wheel for. To some, the CSL (or the more expensive CSW) is absolutely twice as good as the TM.
80/20 rule. Get 80% of the performance for 20% of the ultimate price.
I had the T300, i had 2 actually (first replaced on warranty), and I want something better, there's something a bit better a bit more expensive out there?, BTW I only had the 2 rubish pedals, so bad that every time I remember how bad they are I just don't want TM anymore, but I haven't tried the T3pa pedals, but they don't looks as good as the fanatec ones (the ones of these vid)
I paid £300 for my t300 limited use it's now broke ,just through £300 in the trash price comparison nooooo you get what you pay for Iam going fanatec.
Andrew Armstrong if you look on the Fanatec groups on Facebook, Fanatec arent overly great for quality either and their after sales service is pretty horrendous
I have the T300 since release and changed to Fanatec elite pedals a week later. Bought 2 extra add on wheels and modded revlights and/or displays to them. The only thing I hate is the ‘not so fast” release of Thrustmaster but i love the wheel. Would only upgrade to a DD setup.
I just got a Thrustmaster T300RS and it is a huge difference between my old G29. I love it and I feel so much better but I bought mine with the T3PA pedals and the thrustmaster shifter.
The biggest factor for upgrading from a G29 for me was the brakes.
Ended up opening the pedals and cutting the corners off the rubber block to make it more cone-like.
Feels 100% better with progression between spring and rubber stopper, and it doesn't go wack with the programmed brake curve.
I'll use it for another 5 years before going CSL elite + F-GT rig.
get a ricmotech loadcell upgrade for G29 is amazing
6 months ago I purchased a T300 in used condition, cost me £150 with a pretty solid stand, for base and pedals, I decided to go for a second hand product as at that point I wasn't sure if sim racing was something long term and budget was a bit limited.
Is a good wheel but I don't find it very smooth.. probably because it has too many hours of use already, I agree the low point of the T300 are the pedals, you can't get any feel, there are some modifications that you can make to have a better feel... but they don't make a massive difference.
Now after considering to possibly upgrade just the pedals... I decided to upgrade the whole set up for Fanatec ClubSport which is a big jump in price and quality....but this will have to wait a few more months
I had to make this decision 3 months ago, and went for the Fanatec. Couldn't be happier
How long did it take for them to ship it? It seems people are not getting orders these days.
I would get one if I could afford it. Even the t300 was really expensive for me. I wish sim racing was cheaper because it looks a lot of fun
@@bouncyturtle3169 a simple T150 can bring you a lot of joy for low price, trust! Yes the pedals are bad, but it is what it is... The wheel is quite good for the price.
@@jecky82 I got mine in 3 days
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This is an unbiased review, but it becomes easier to make a judgement when you are given the wheels. Even if I have the money for better one, I still might not feel I need it. The features and power may not be worth it to me. I’ve seen other reviewers straight up say its not worth the price difference. Nonetheless, still a good review and thanks.
I think the real different is everything except the base
Pretty good review.
Nice review. I've been playing F1 on Xbox one X for a while, and I'm wondering if it's worth my time and money to buy a wheel setup at either of these price points to use with my console. I just don't have the space for PC setup.
You could get a Thrustmaster TX. It's practically the same as the T300 but with support for X Box.
I am getting back into this since the days of the Microsoft Sidewinder wheel. What has changed? What can I expect from the t300 vs my old one.
Agreed !
The 300RS GT is amazing !
I absolutely agree!
I had the G29 and decided to upgrade. I chose the CSL Elite. I had considered the t300 base with P310 rim and LC pedals. The price was more the the base CSL bundle. I have ordered the LC. So, almost the same price. I think the build quality and more future proof possibilities of Fanatec sealed the decision for me.
Do you feel this change has made a difference in performance? I currently have a g29 and i dont dislike it, but i am also looking to be more competitive. Do you think that change makes a significant enough difference to justify purchasing a new set up?
@@tonyluedy6247 I do feel the CSL adds to my feel for what the tires are doing. The brake pedal, the standard one, took some getting use to. Then my LC arrived. That is a big improvement. My brake zone time is much improved. Obviously it's a cost debate also. If you want to get better, better kit will help. But, it's not a guarantee. I think you will be happy with either.
@@racer14glr91 you can use fanatec with thrustmaster?
I'm not 100% sure Cory
@@racer14glr91 okay
Just get the T300/TX and the T3PA pedals (included with the leather edition I think). Wonderful value for the money, I love it. The included Ferrari wheel with mine is a bit chintzy, but it's still cool nonetheless. If money's no option and/or you're *really* serious about sim racing, go for any Fanatec system.
Absolutely love the look of the fanatec but could never afford one.
Can I use my T3PA Pro Pedals w/the CSL Elite?
i dont regret picking the CSL Elite over the T300 after watching your video. Fanatec had a sale for this black friday and they reshelve the CSL Elite PS4 and i just bought it!!! Next 2 weeks gonna be looooong!! and im coming from a G29!!
Would like to know/see how both wheel perform after 2 years of intensive use. Durability is important for me as I use the wheel for 2 hours a day, 7 days a week.
There is a review of 5 years using the t300 rs, it held up Pretty well, after 5 years, the clamp failed, Alcantara is just flat spottet, Fan got a bit noisier, because of the dust, so just clean it, but the base and pedals are alr.
Great overview. I'm new to sim racing and wanted a good starter wheel. I was between the t150 (tmx), g920 (g29), t300rs (tx) and fanactec CSL. I'm in my last year of a surgical residency so at the moment I don't make much, but will later. That in mind I ended up going with the T300rs. My reasoning is that in that most reviews compare the t150 to the g29, although in this covid-19 era, the t150 is about $200 and the g29 is close to $350. Almost every review that I could find, recommend the t300 over the g29 when cost isn't a factor. At this point their equal in price, and the t300 has a whole support system of pedals and wheels to grow into. The CSL has an even larger system to grow into, but I'd rather try out the $300 wheel, get some extra pedals, and when I'm ready to really comit in a year or so... I'll get a direct drive setup.
Open box deal on t300, w money saved upgraded to HV Sprint pedals. Went from a noisy g27. I’d prob jump to DD next if t300 dies but it’s great so far.
Good video. How do you pitch up the monitor to the rig? I have a similar rig but no possibilty to put monitor to it.
Use a monitor stand
Honestly I just bought the TX with T3PA - will be my first kit as I'm only about to get into sim racing now. Just waiting on shipping...
I think it should be fine for now and then when I have more cash I can look into the CSL DD in a few years
Great Video, the fer this
I have a question
I own the T300 and was thinking about upgrading (thinking about it I should have kept my G25 a few month longer and just gone straight to Fanatec)
So I was thinking should I invest the money and get the CSL or Clubsport or save a bit longer and go DD?
Just speaking of the wheel, pedals Fanatec pedals are coming anyway.
I had the t300 but returned it because the pedals it came with broke in about 1 month. The t300 base I thought was impressive for the price. But I went to the CSL F1 ps4 pack and never looked back. Fanatec is worth the extra money hands down. If you ever want to expand rim collection, upgrade pedals, add shifters, and eventually upgrade the motor base, the fanatec ecosystem works seamlessly between products.
I’d call thrustmaster consumer, and I’d call fanatec prosumer. the price is worth it though.
Note: I had the Logitech g29 inbeteeen there as well... I don’t care what anyone says, the g29 is awful.
what do you recommend for xbox one x for around 500-600 wheel,pedals and shifter complete?
Fanatec
I live in SEA and we don't get Fanatec stuff here which is a huge bummer. I purchased a T300RS GT after trying out the G29 for only a month and it's sooo much better. Can't wait to try a new set of steering wheels
Does thrustmaster make the t300rs anymore? I've been looking everywhere and can't find it
Yea I was wondering this too, here in NZ you can't buy it anymore. I hope they release a newer more reliable version
Which stand is that in the beginning with the t300?
I've just bought a CSL Elite for Ps4 along with pedal set to reply my fried T300 GT RS set-up.
Thrustmaster hasn’t been stocking hardly any items lately (most likely due to quarantine) and I haven’t been able to find a single store with Thrustmaster items in stock. On the other hand fanatic is still stocking items. I got the fanatic two weeks ago and couldn’t be happier with it.
You can purchase the Xbox wheel for the Fanatec and it will work on Xbox also.
The PS4 chip is in the wheelbase and the Xbox wheel is in the wheel itself.
Makes it work on both consoles and pc.
Extra outlay for the Xbox wheel to do so obviously but if you own both consoles and a pc its worth considering.
@randomcallsign Hello! I am thinking of purchasing a Fanatec and have the following question. Since I have a Thrustmaster that I have t-lcm pedals and a shifter for, is there any way I can use those instead of buying fantech ones?
I know that it is possible if they are connected via USB to the computer, but is there a way to connect them to PS5?
I've had a t3oo for atleats 5years best wheel I ever bought.just upgraded to the 300gt edition and thinks its way more sentives than the older version.also I bought the sparco front but didn't work on old t300 I ended up getting same front twice because 1 sparco didn't work and neither did the second 1.but now I have the t300 gt it works and its brilliant.
Im still on my old G25 desk mounted haha. What do you think between getting a Thrustmaster wheel (and keeping it desk mounted) OR keeping the G25, shifter and pedals and getting a low - mid spec rig (t300RS sells for around $650 here in Australia, so get a rig thats around the same or less.) Then decide later weather to go Thrustmaster ecosystem OR Fanatec ecosystem? After i have somewhere to mount it to.
Okay kinda weird that he didn't respond but favourited your comment. I would go for a rig setup with your g25. I used to use my g27 on my desk but it honestly sucked in comparison to what I use now (trek racer fs3) and when I got a rig, I actually wanted to use it more as well. Now I'm looking to get a t300 since my g27 broke and I definitely don't regret buying the rig since I ended up actually using my wheel more because of it.
Depends if you intend to upgrade even more down the road, if you intend to upgrade to a Fanatec or similar later on, a budget/low end cockpit will have a lot of shaking imo.Besy advice I can give is grab some load cell pedals and upgrade from there as money allows, Fanatec clubsport V3 are one of the best on the market for there price.
Question. Can I use my tlcm peddals on a fanatec wheel base if I were to upgrade? Currently using a t300 with tlcm but wanting a better wheel and this will really help with a decision with which brand to go with.
you cant connect to the wheel base. but if you are on pc you can use them via usb
Just bought the Fanatec V1.1 base with Mclaren GT 3 wheel and the CLS Elite pedals. Im waiting a new stand but what Ive tried the Fanatec is far superior to my Thrustmaster TX leather Edition with T3PA's.
Good idea...looking to buy first wheel without going too crazy...unless its worth it.
Chilling on my tmx
Thanks for doing this comparison. I'm on my second T300RS now and unlike your experience with it, mine have both been absolute p.o.s. The first one started bellowing smoke out it and the second one now has a force feed back issue after a few minutes of operation. Not to mention all the problems I've had with my TM pedal set - squeaking, broken springs, defective potentiometers.. My suggestion to anyone comparing these two wheels is to spend now rather then later and go with the fanatec product.
Thrustmaster have had a lot of issues with the t300 for a long time and they have not fixed any issues with them spend and buy the fanatec every time
Would love to get the CSL Elite but they don't have any support in my country. So T300RS GT it is.
What would you recommend between a Thrustmaster TS XW or a Fanatec CLS Elite?
I have the same question!?!
My first wheel was the g29. I sold it and got the 300 get rs with the open wheel add one that I’m still currently using. I just ordered the fanatec csl elite f1 bundle.
did u get it yet?
How long ya used g29 ?
Liked and subbed . I have a question that fanatec has not got back to me about this yet. Maybe u know alittle more . So if order the CSL Elite racing wheel (officially licensed for PS4) it’s going to come with both base and wheel correct ?
Thank you :)
As long as the picture shows the wheel and base it will be so. It's the 499eur one.
If you do don't forget to use the affiliate link :D
Yes it shows both wheel and base what affiliate link?
Cdn currency for me :) its 499.95$ cdn
I'm using Trustmaster T300 wheel and quite disappointed on the durability - wheel started to have some problems with the auto-calibration and after a while it was stucked on turning the wheel from one max. position to other (left-right-left-right etc.) without getting anywhere. Finally it stopped totally to work. So is the quality just shit or what, but Trustmaster hit the rock quite good with this in my category ...
I recently want from g920 to t300 rs gt and the difference was huge for me.. I have used the g920 and g27 for over 8 years in total... But the torque and smoothness from the t300 rs gt gives me a much better feel of what the car is doing
... I can catch slides alot faster than the g920 that alone and the pedals are a game changer
Which would u say is better to get t300 or the csl elite
I use Logitech for 2 Years do you recommend me to buy Thrustmaster 300 rs ?
@@mohamedasim6888 personally for me it was worth it.. But for another 100 more you could get moza dd wheel
@@StimulationSimulated yea but i play on ps5 i think moza doesn't support ps
@@mohamedasim6888 then yes t300rs gt is lot better way more torque and better detail
Had the T150 with naff pedals then bought the shifter and tp3a pedals. Upgraded the base to a t300 with a decent thrustmaster f1 style wheel. I'm an avid ps4 gamer and will probably want more torque than the t300 gives..rather than getting the tgt id rather get the fanatec due to the nicer wheel selections
I had this dilemma should I buy a t300 and lc pedals or get csl elite and it’s csl pedals not lc. I decided to go with the fanatec and it is fantastic. Coming from a t150 it is night and day. Smoothe is an understatement it is just on another level. The pedals although not lc are amazing and the conical break mod is sufficient pressure to simulate a real brake. The price for these two packages is roughly a 200 dollar difference. If you can wait a month or so to gather up the 200 dollar different I would definitely suggest that. Great review just my 2 cents.
I went from the t150 to the t300gt and it is night and day difference. T150 makes a good starter wheel but the t300 ain’t no joke. My arms were sore for about a week after upgrading.
I am a new sim racer, in the testing phase. After a very thoughtful consideration, I bought my T300 RS GT today for £300 (at Argos) since, currently, I have to spend the double (+£600) just to get the Fanatec DD GT for PS5. I can buy any of those two options, but I do not know if sim racing is for me yet.
I got as well the Playseat Challenger X and was told this seat is compatible with the T300 RS GT. I need a foldable seat since London has the smallest flats and my room is tiny. But it is looking good. I just need the PSVR to play the immersive version of Gran Turismo 7 now.
I had the T300 RS, and and it was fine for about 18 months, then it went haywire...It was a great wheel for over a year of medium use, not a premium wheel, but fine really. However the pedal set is weak...I have managed to fix my pedals several times, but the pedal plastic casing is not great, and will most likely fail sooner than you expect. I am limping along with my T300 RS, but as in this video, the CSL Fanatec basic model is far more robust, and looks like a better bet, even at twice the price of the T300 RS. Some of the T300 RS's have failed with not very much use. My opinion is bite the bullet....spend probably far more than you want to...get the CSL....as theT300 RS may not last very long at all, but it will be OK for a while.
My T300 after 1 year started to show problems in centralizing, my friends had the same problem, the plastic that fixes the encoder is very fragile, when it breaks it starts the problems.
Assuming cheap manufacturing/plastic parts in wrong place ... I also wondered why does it have to hit the max. positions with that power during auto-calibration, why not just a gentle rotation? My Trustmaster T300 is now dead.
It’s like half of the comments, in every video t300 is reviewed, are about the wheel giving problems. Maybe it’s not worth to take the risk
@@rok_2773 My T300RS failed at day 2 of use. I don't know what to buy after sending it back...Logitechs are very loud and this is WAF no go...
R S such a shame thrustmaster isn’t reliable as logitech is
Coooming up... thought I was listening to M539 Restorations, you two sound fairly similar
Can any of these wheel replicate the self aligning speed of a real wheel, say of a car with 540º steering lock? and 900º?
Bro they do way more than that
Can you use Fanatec loadcell brakes with the T-300RS wheel? Can't find the T-Lcm anywhere.
as long as both go to USB, theyll work on PC
@@randomcallsign i have t300 ferrari 599x wheel with fanatec csp load cell pedals and fanatec csp shifter. they work fine together on pc. I also have drivehub and fanatec usb adapter they all work fine on ps4. the fanatec loadcell pedals and shifter make ALL the difference over the TM T3PA and TH8A. Wondering whether the TM TS-PC is worth upgrading to from the T300? I really like the 599 alacantra wheel, so prefer to stick with TM.
Nice video mate!
I think the right pedals are more important than the right wheel.
Next week i will get my T300 with the new Thrustmaster pedals 🔥🔥
Thanks for the video - since i am looking for a good opportunity for my son now. I am playing the T500RS and I am wondering why it is not on the market anymore? Do you have any idea?
Despite the name, t300 is newer and substitute of t500
T500 have slightly stronger motor but T300 feels smoother and more responsive due to better belt system
the question is g29 or t300 rs gt edition (so pedals and stuff match on both), is it worth? specially for a beguinner... should i cheap in the g29 or go t300 already?
This video talks about exactly that.
@@randomcallsign noo i mean between logitech g29 and t300 rs gt edition... is worth the price difference? i think the t300 rs gt is better and newer but also more expensive, plus shifter also more expensive... which would you advice as firt wheel? (im 22 so i dont really want a toy that break in 2 months you know xD)
thanks
Helped me make up my mind.
it will be T300 GT
Google the t300 or t500 cooling problems. Get a TM ts-pc of xw, or the fanatec instead if you mind that issue. I tossed my t500 in the bin because of the overheating. Replaced it by a ts-pc and didn't regret it one second
Always buy fanatec
Hey man. I have a question. Can u use a trustmaster pedal set on the fanatec wheel?
only through different USB ports
random callsign do you need an special adapter for that?? Im not sure if I wand the t300 or this one. The problem is I already have trustmaster pedals. And I can’t find a t300 set witchout pedals.
Can I combine the Thrustmaster wheel with fanatec Pedals?
only using which one through usb
I can buy the T300 now (with Fanatec pedals) or a Fanatec system by the end of the year, I'll wait. Unfortunately T300 is expensive enough to not merit the investment, considering I plan to buy a direct drive wheel eventually. What would have changed my mind was if the pedals from Thrustmaster were actual sim and not toy category, I'm not gonna waste my life by making a combo out of both.
planning to buy a wheel because it's like my childhood dream, but I'm on a constraint budget.
I seek some info on CSL on my country and found out the base + wheel alone is almost twice the price of T300 RS GT in my place
I think I will pull the trigger sometimes with T300 RS GT at around 425USD (sadly it's pricy here 😂)
the new firmware for t300 improved the wheel a lot, much smoother. i have the ricmotech lc upgrade t3pa-pro. a solid wheelstand seat connection is vital as the brake pressure required is massive.
I’ve had a T300 Alcantara for a long time now, still love it for both hotlapping and drifting. Except for dirt and smell on the wheel 😂
And you don’t have any overheating or calibrating problems like many others??
@@Lamagra79 fortunately no issues for me!
Hey random,
Do you think the WSP can handle the CSL elite without wobble like hell?
Currently I have a G29 set (with the TM version of the WSP), I will buy a T-LCM pedals and TH8a first a little bit later. After the I will replace my wheel, but I cannot decide between the CSL elite and the T300RS. What is your opinion? T300RS is cheaper and compatible with the WSP out of the box (for the CSL I need to order the plate).
Between the T300RS and T300RS GT the only difference is the pedal set and the logo?
as long you lower the torque, the WSP will handle it
@@randomcallsign Thx. But if I lower the torque there won't be much difference between the 2 wheels I guess. Another point to the T300RS that it's available in local shop (easier to RMA if something is wrong - I saw problems with both sets, thrustmaster with the ffb and heat and fanatec the cracking of the wheel) and the fact that if I buy TM, all equipment will be in the same ecosystem. Well, I will think about it some more, thanks for the answer. :)
From experience, I got the T300 RS GT wheel and pedals combo and while the pedals might be better than the standard ones they are still absolute trash. I quickly decided to go the extra mile and get proper pedals in the Elite Load cell ones from Fanatec. If I were to do it again, I'd buy the standard T300 and get the fanatec pedals right away, saving some money. The Thrustmaster wheel is fine, and the CSL wheel doesn't offer the benefits the price gap suggest and still the biggest differentiator between the two combos is the pedals.
And if you have the T300 already and you're planning to upgrade the wheel, then just go for something really hardcore instead of just a small step towards a very similar wheelbase.
Still using my trustworthy Logitech Driving Force GT without any issues for the last 12 years and actually still happy with it. Just can’t decide which step I should take forward now 🤔
Same here! Driving Force GT still going strong in 2020
Same here for 12 years already. I'm inclined into the T300RS instead of Logitech G923 but I still don't know if I should spend all this money on something that it's still working well.
@@rafaelmtoledo I have sold my Driving Force GT and bought a T300 RS GT. Steering resolution is better when smooth driving and while making small steering corrections, GT pedals is really nice but also it is possible to make DIY upgrade on DFGT brake pedal. I have found a good discount (was similar price as a second hand one) so i took it. But at the end, if you enjoy driving with DFGT, i believe it is still worthy to keep it.
@@thelimitedslip Thanks for the reply! I ended up buying the T300 RS GT about a month ago and it's been a great wheel. I just hope it lasts!
@@rafaelmtoledo Nice to hear that! The other one is also my account, i thought i replied you with that account name :)) Enjoy :)
The CSL looked mounted to a much sturdier rig compared the the thing the T300 was mounted to, so there's that.
Hi! Thanks for the review! I'm thinking about buying the T300rs, but I have a quick question : do you think it will compatible with the PS5? I know Logitech wheels probably won't, just like the G27 and G25 when the PS4 came out, but since Thrustmaster is an "official" Playstation partner, is there any chance the T300rs will be compatible?
Thank you very much!
I dont think so, as the wheel itself has and PS3/PS4 switch on its side.
Pedro Melo T500rs only has a PS3 PC button and it’s compatible
Ive had my fanatec setup for about 1.5 years and I love it.... However I've had nothing but issues and I've only put about 200 hours of use on the equipment. Steering wheel constantly going out of calibration, shifter is misshifting (I'll shift to 5th and it will register it as reverse), my ebrake is constantly atleast 40% engaged at all times and will sometimes get stuck at full engagement. My accelerator pedal sometimes has issue with sensor. Fanatec is willing to help with these issues, but I'm going to have to pay out the ass and lord knows how long I'll be without all my equipment. I spent the extra money on fanatec for quality and reliability.... But I feel like I got a luxury car that requires expensive maintenance. My toy-like logitech g29 never had any issues
love your video... I own The T300 Ferrari 599XX Alcantara Edition wich comes with the T3PA peddal set, and Fararri rim.... $499 on sale... and I tell you.. I realy love T300 This was a killer good deal for me... all I need now is the shifter.
Hi, so I'm about to change my old G27 to a newer one, and T300 is one of my options I'm considering with. But after going through some forums and discussions, I think T300 had reliability issue. I just wondering, is your T300 working perfectly or it had some problems? I really appreciate your reply
@@gemmaapriliano1887 absolutely perfect for me. I have had both logitech g27 and g29 and well, I got this Thrustmaster T300 Ferrari Integral Racing Wheel Alcantara Edition
wich comes with the upgraded T3PA Peddles, and the upgraded Ferrari rim... so in a nut shell, oh hell yeah... this wheel has been perfect for me, reliable, I never had a single issue with it... I bought it last Christmas here in Canada on a crazy black friday sale last year for $500 canadian... Do NOT purchase the the rt version, which comes with a really crappy rim, and crappy 2 pedals set, no clutch.... right out of the box, I didn';t have to do any thing except update the rom of the rim... I can't say enough about how great this T300's reliability.... I will never go back to the logitech, although, I would recommend the logitech for price consciences people. I also purchased the F1 Ferrari rim, and it's wicked cool... oh, and I am not a thrustmaster employee... I'm just an old 53 year old gamer here...
@@gunner0446 thanks mate for the reply! Maybe I just overconcern about it after read all those complaints. I just starting back to simracing stuff after 4 years & trying to get a new wheel, just doesn't want to disappoint my self with a wrong choise 😂 (btw my father also in 50s & he always find a time to play granturismo after his retirement)
@@gemmaapriliano1887 as I mentioned though.... do not buy the T300 with the cheap 2 peddle plastic thing and plastic rim.... you will be very disapointed....
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Im Portuguese
Way far
Not even close
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I have a thrustmaster TX wheel for around a year and fanatec v2 pedals guess which wrong went wrong most
Fanatec
by a lot
Should have compared the fanatec to the TM TS Wheels instead
Also the cooling solutions on the t300 & 500's electro motors are not adequate. This is resolved in the newer TS serie
My combination is a T300 with Fanatec CSL Elite Pedals (Loadcell). Im happy. 👍
Used something that for a long while
Do they work well? I just bought the T300rs servo with the ferarri wheel and I am planning on getting the loadcell CSL Pedals when they come back in stock. I plan to play mostly F1 2019 with it.
@@Taylor_Pritchard I recommend the Fanatec loadcell Pedals. It´s a complete different driving and i think pedals are the most important part in simracing. Take a look to Barry´s detailed review czcams.com/video/j9jYUZFC87k/video.html.
I also have this pairing.
@@jwsimracing8607 but you don't have connect the LC pedals to your t300?, im playing PC. So it is possible?
currently own T300 2 years race at least 5 times a week it was an excellent wheel until the most recent GT7 update now the force feedback fades fades after 10 min racing ,fanatec elite is my next option - just realize it was your review that Made me choose t300 2 years ago LOL
Is the issue with gt7 gone now?
@THRASHDEATH yes i bought a fanatec
@@knightrida6829may i ask what wheel u got from fanatec
So I almost upgraded from my T300RS to a CSL Elite F1 bundle for 700 but decided to get a TS-XW servo for $370. Because I play on PS5/PC, I went ahead and got a DriveHub also.
I already invested in the TM ecosystem so it feels like the right choice haha. (Already in for: My Old Alcantara 350mm wheel w/ adapter, Ferrari F1 Wheel, Sparco r383, TH8A, T-LCM Pedals 😅) Maybe I'll go DD in a few years but should be set for now 🤞🏿🤞🏿
Did you notice much difference between the T300RS and the TS-XW?
I guess it can be summarised with "you get what you pay for" as they both seem to be great choices at different price points.
That said, logitech master race.
As someone who has owned all 3 brands, Logitech wheels are a good starter wheel but feel like cheap toys compared to the belt driven wheels from Fanatec & Thrustmaster
@@MT-kx2uc fanatec makes the best wheels out of the brands I mentioned. Force feedback feel is amazing. I'm not a huge fan of thrustmaster products personally
@@haywoodjablowme899 im deciding on whether to get the g29 or a thrustmaster t300rs GT, i play carx, beamng, forza horizon 4, assetto corsa. Which wheel do you think I should get?
@@cory4071 t300rs gt. You're going to get a much better wheel all around
@@user-sk8we2tg2t i bought a tspc racer for cheap lmao