West Wing 1x13 Sam Seaborn Fires Karen Larsen

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  • čas přidán 4. 03. 2023

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  • @michaelmuldowney8
    @michaelmuldowney8 Před měsícem +11

    Whomever employed Paris Geller in the White House - should also get fired.

    • @keithduvall812
      @keithduvall812 Před měsícem +1

      Why that's over reaching. The person who hired her would have no inclination that she would have done this when hired. So what would be the reason for termination without being sued?

    • @James-gy9kr
      @James-gy9kr Před 15 dny

      Should’ve hired Rory Gilmore. This never would’ve happened with Rory.

    • @Edawgpilot
      @Edawgpilot Před 11 dny

      @@keithduvall812r/whoosh

  • @michaelhayden725
    @michaelhayden725 Před měsícem +25

    She actually should have been charged under Federal Law for leaking information classified under the Privacy Act, this was well before Leo gave her another chance.

    • @TheStuport
      @TheStuport Před měsícem +1

      I remember the very first time I watched this scene all those years ago....and it still resonates in 2024. I also agree with your summation. Cheers

    • @michaeltalley51
      @michaeltalley51 Před měsícem +5

      It's also a HIPPA violation, assuming HIPPA was actually in place back then.

    • @keithduvall812
      @keithduvall812 Před měsícem +1

      Hippa in place 1996 I believe.

  • @gmh471
    @gmh471 Před 16 dny +4

    When a superior you have never met before introduces himself, the response should never be "I know." Of course this was a one-off character that was never developed, but her privilege showed with that response, the fact that she referred to Claypool as a "family friend" and when Leo gave her back her job, she did not say thank you. Not to mention likely violating federal law and not being held to account.

  • @thekirksiffs5285
    @thekirksiffs5285 Před 25 dny +7

    Oh Paris! You didn't....thought you were smarter than that!

  • @kyle381000
    @kyle381000 Před měsícem +10

    And then Leo gives her another chance, thus making Sam look stupid. Again.

    • @keithduvall812
      @keithduvall812 Před měsícem

      Yes, but it is his choice.

    • @Sam-kh2zh
      @Sam-kh2zh Před 24 dny +8

      Sam didn't look stupid in the least. He fired her for being untrustworthy, and for giving confidential information to a political operative from the opposition, thus harming the administration. Most of all, he did it to protect Leo, whom Sam respects more than almost anyone. The fact that Leo turned around and gave her the job back (which I still question) doesn't change the fact that Sam did the right thing. That's never stupid.

    • @keithduvall812
      @keithduvall812 Před 24 dny +1

      @@kyle381000 that and the fact the order to fire her came from Leo anyway. " worst I can do is fire you and I've already done that."

    • @patrickcorliss8878
      @patrickcorliss8878 Před 18 dny

      Interesting that Leo made some very poor decisions. Re-hiring her was not compassionate. It sent the wrong message.

    • @Mr_Mike97190
      @Mr_Mike97190 Před 17 dny

      @@patrickcorliss8878what message? That they want to hire people who are willing to hold them accountable?! It’s one of the main messages that Leo has with her at the end of the episode when he says what she did was a bit brave. Did she go about it the wrong way, absolutely, but, given her past experiences with her father, she was afraid that decisions could be made while Leo wasn’t in the best condition or mind state, which she expressed that fear and concern to Leo…

  • @psych46
    @psych46 Před 16 dny +2

    Sam being intolerant of those who think and act differently than he does, what happened to tolerance for moral diversity? 😒

    • @pauritus1635
      @pauritus1635 Před 15 dny +1

      I am sure you would have acted differently if it was you in Sam's position. Especially given it was likely illegal what she did - giving someone else medical history without consent.

    • @psych46
      @psych46 Před 15 dny +1

      @@pauritus1635 Yes I would have. I would have pursued Leo's option which ultimately resulted in giving that lady a second chance. Leo was right in pursuing the restorative justice approach vs Sam's transactional punishment. Note how Sam didn't even bother to let the young lady finish and just called for security to escort her out without bothering to hear her side of the story. How ignorant and intolerant. Whether it's leaking medical history to murder, the restorative justice's approach to address infractions by facilitating conversation between the two parties and coming to an agreement is much more
      beneficial to all parties involved, no?

    • @pauritus1635
      @pauritus1635 Před 15 dny +4

      @@psych46 I see you are fine in breaking the law by giving up someone else's medical records illegally without their consent. I didn't say anything one way or another regarding Leo's response. Your response indicates that if someone breaks the law in violating someone else's privacy and giving out their medical records, that they should not have much in the way of repercussions.
      Her actions were immoral. I am fine with Leo giving her job back, but there was no moral imperative that he did so.
      The problem with coming to an agreement is that often there isn't an agreement. Was Sam obligated to agree with Pam's decision? Why must he? If he doesn't, he is in the wrong, not Pam, who broke the law?

    • @psych46
      @psych46 Před 15 dny

      @@pauritus1635 Laws are nothing more than shackles made by The White Man to impose systemic racism, wage gap, gender inequality, and prejudice. What this young lady patriot did is no different than those brave actions taken by our modern day heroes and Patriots: Bradley/Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, Reality Winner, and Edward Snowden. We need to replace those heads at Mt. Rushmore with these folk, this fictional lady included.