"EXCUSE ME!!?" Destiny Gets Pulled Into Heated Debate w/ Conservative On SCOTUS Ruling
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- DEBATE: Destiny gets confronted for being doomerpilled and then gets dragged into a debate w/ Counterpoints ft. Dan, Pisco, EsportsBatman, Jessiah and more...
Date: 5 Jul, 2024
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:00:33 Should Biden use his new powers?
00:08:45 What should Biden do using his new executive powers?
00:15:34 There are no Republicans right now
00:17:15 Destiny is completely doomerpilled
00:23:19 NoahPinion cited thread
00:36:25 Ben Shapiro "SCOTUS Makes A Decision & The Left Goes INSANE"
00:41:57 Absolute power corrupts absolutely
00:45:51 Nixon didn't even dream of asking for immunity
00:48:32 This is a consequence of US system
00:58:05 Why the courts gave Trump immunity
01:09:43 "YOURE THE FREAKING MORON!"
01:11:01 "YOU'RE A SMUG PRICK!"
01:15:49 "You're completely dead wrong"
01:25:35 California strategy
01:38:44 Trying to establish shared facts first
01:45:13 Can the president commit crimes as his core duty?
01:58:29 Court has grabbed a ton of power
02:15:05 Destiny's biggest problem w/ this case
02:17:47 That part of the constitution is GONE!
02:28:04 "Wait wait wait - that's not true!"
02:41:00 Excuse me!?
#destiny
#politics
#debate
Shapiro Doesn't Realize This Big Mistake & Gets It All WRONG
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Wow I didn’t think it was possible for 2 people to be so wrong and so opposed to the other at the same time
P1@@squeakerplays4905
MAGA supreme court are like the guys that bought you the rulings over Jim Crow and slave owners rights, it was the progressive liberal judges that helped to change that, looks like the voters need to pay attention, otherwise project 2025 gonna wake them up the hard way 😂
I love the timestamp titles towards the end lmao
ironically, american president have more power than the british queen
"Let's do authoritarianism but for good stuff" is what every single dictator in history thought.
Hannity to Trump "you're not going to be a dictator, are you?"
Trump to Hannity "No, no, no, other than day one."
I heard it worked for Singapore, but even if true it's very exceptional it works out
But I have to ask what are your alternatives? I'm just playing devil's advocate because I don't agree with Dan either.
Is trying 90 criminal charges against the constitution and prior SCOTUS ruling authoritarian?
I'll agree the VERY LIKELY insurrection is 100% authoritarianism.
We all agree Trump is Hitler (at least for this exercise)... when congress failed to do their job in impeachment, democrats weaponizing civilian courts (against all our laws and rules and decorum)... is that authoritarian?
We can discuss it's necessity after we say if these actions are or are not illegal. But can we admit Republicans aren't the only dictators in town?
@@aaronpannell6401 It's also working out decently well for Oman. It's not that exceptional. There are people who can use ultimate power responsibly. Of course, there's at least as many who will abuse it. It's more about which odds you feel are worse... Let it ride, and hope Trump doesn't do anything too insane, or Biden using the power to attempt correcting the mistake while losing part of what makes this country what it is.
My garbage public School tried to teach all that. Nobody paid attention only to later whine about how school never taught anything.
Yeah. I don't know how much of this is " X isn't taught" so much as " X is taught, no one pays attention, but No Child Left Behind had them get pushed forwards anyway."
However I did take AP Civ so it could be that my perception of the curriculum is just skewed. Either way it would be nice to have a stronger civic education among the citizenry. It is a democracy ( or democratic Republic, I guess.)
Thats why old white male land owners were the only legal voters.
Whike that shit do be racist... it ensured the voters had buy in. If you have no say and no power and no land... you're just as likely to vote the whole thing to oblivion.
Has to be a better, less racist way. But whatever you tried to implement... would just be called bigotry... wonder I'd there is a solution?
@@Awaken_To_0the saying “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink” comes to mind
@@Awaken_To_0isn’t no child left behind about standardized testing? Not sure how it plays into this
For real. The amount of dumbfucks in high school I took classes with saying, "Why don't they teach us about this in school?" about information taught in said classes was insane.
This debate must be really heated if someone said excuse me
Unironically
Fun Fact: Most debates happen because it is an idiocracy with people who mock being woke but they themselves are zombies..
Reminds me of that "Welcome to My Hood" line, "they outside playing hopscotch." Like, uhhh, I think we got different definitions here... 😂
Anytime someone says something nice or mannered, it's true anger. Like when you say bud, my guy, friend, ECT
Destiny said sir several times as well. Conor was being braindead but they’re friends I guess.
Pisco cracks me up, "steven's not making him answer" and "steven's incompetent" and when steven starts to go off "ok guy we need to all be friends" LMAO it really is Pisco's world and we're just living in it.
debate bro Pisco for the win!
Pisco was right though. Destiny always lets far right morons off the hook. And I think that's intentional.
Not Connor continuously missing the point and then screeching "you're not smarter than me" KEKW
It’s crazy he said impeachment impeachment lol if Donald Trump took out Nancy I guarantee impeachment would not reach the floor for a vote because of the maga people and people scared for the own lives, then their is the fact that majority of the republicans are calling for the for assassinations of democrats all the time I wouldn’t put it pass them to be in on any assassination attempts
Yeah that was a crazy time to drop the 'you are not substantially smarter than me'
He said that? *red flag*
The issue why this wouldn't work for a high schooler is the fact that no 16 year old kid is going to give a flying fuck about this. There is so much that is taught to you and 90% of people seem to only know the meme about the mitochondria.
"Lets never try anything ever" good take bud
“No 16 year old”? You understand millions of kids learn on their own, go to libraries, research shit online?
Not everyone was like u just sitting in the back of class only getting ur information from state schools…
It would come off as propaganda. Probably would actually accelerate the decline of public support
16 year olds aren't kids and plenty do care. Take your dehumanizing infantalizing garbage elsewhere
What is the mitochondria meme?
Destiny going off against Dan about there being no more Republicans was a frustration I shared in the core of my being.
@MrGohtrunks I love that were now either faced with making a pragmatic choice that materially gives our democracy a chance to survive, or a pyrrich defeat that will will be more ethically cathartic to those like destiny for having protected some ideal from being tarnished.
Well.
I'm glad his conscience will be clear. Of course, I'll have to go back in the closet. Or ynkow. We'll, I don't even know. I try not to think about it.
Btw what do you think of people like
Cincinnatus in history? I know Julius caeser would be the Roman General destiny and his camp would bring up, but you could also bring up Cincinnatus. He was **given** power, he didn't ask for it. Kind of lilenthe power biden has now, with the supreme court decision. By using the power, and the passing it off, he'd be doing the same thing. He could even use the power to actually limit the power of the next president.
And besides, the next president is going to have that power and use it **regardless** of if he doesnt, so it kind of renders his decision to not use it meaningless, other than it being a symbolic gesture.
@@Xenomorph6793ain’t nobody reading all that
@@darkcasterx4628eh.. i did
@@Xenomorph6793I think that is one of the reasons people have kinda soured on libs. They are faced with existential threats and rather than choose and take the responsibility to wield the power to stop their opponents for an extended time they virtue signal. If your ethical system leads to you being abused and harmed it is not a viable ethical system. It allows others to ignore The Golden Rule, and is just philosophical masturbation.
Destiny is spineless
dgg chat is so much funnier than kick chat, i was dying when they were calling out CounterPoints for using his baby as a debate tactic 💀
CZcams chat reigns supreme
dudes screaming non stop and then we find out he's baby sitting lol
Connor actually had points. Dan was a moron. Ddg thinks that’s funny because they’re asocial single lonely losers who can’t relate to human with family
@@pauliePwalnuts Pootubers
@@pauliePwalnutsI tend to agree, except when the 95 IQs blow in from Tim Pool’s channel.
Destiny seriously overestimates how politically aware the average person is.
I do think that's what Destiny is forgetting here. Most people are only okay with this because they have been told it isn't what it actually is.
To add to the last comment, most people either don’t know, or know and feel like it’s not effecting them so they don’t care about it or, they think that they’re just 1 lone person and what could they possibly do?
@@mattstone3650 very true. That last group is why I think mandatory voting would help because it is hard to convince people that their vote actually affects legislation if they never vote.
If that was the case then everybody in the US would vote which they don't by the way.
His argument is more like "they(the people) don't care about Democracy" Which is obvious. If they are unaware enough to elect an dictator then democracy can't exist
Dan looping the discussion for 45 mins like my old alcoholic roommate was a vibe.
Every time he looped he sounded more and more unhinged.
His argument was unhinged, even if he got what he wanted to be rid of "king law" he puts it. A good chuck of the elite left are corrupt & WOULD abuse the power.
Dan won, destiny argued in bad faith
@@SafsalNo one won. In fact all Americans are losing now. No matter what Biden does, America loses. There are no good options, Dan lost, Destiny lost, everyone except the Trump cultists has lost.
@@Safsalthat’s because Destiny argues as if he’s indifferent and has a poor understanding of at the very least, authoritarianism. He’s unironically arguing against authoritarianism as if he was a pink haired leftist. He seems to be conflating fascism with authoritarianism. But also, the “I can just move” take is actually retarded
Counterpoints is a woman's name
That's pretty funny to be honest!
This but unironically. It's insane how bad faith Connor is
Well, he admitted trying to get close to Contrapoint's name early on.
@@danielsurvivor1372he’s not bad faith he’s just an idiot. He routinely has braindead opinions on things that are the slightest bit complicated.
@@Toanleigh I didn't know that! Lol
just watched the whole thing at 30x speed and I was right all along.
For everyone screaming about “nothing is going to happen” you might be right, however the fact that the highest court in our country are willing to give everyone’s in this country asses to the president is insane.
Yeah. Some president, some day will take advantage of the ruling
Sir, actually read the decision.
They already have taken advantage, Obama droned multiple Americans without trial. This has been the precedent.
We don't need hypotheticals. A President put thousands of American citizens in internment camps without due process via executive order. And there was no fear of being prosecuted for it.
@@lloydgushDo you think Project 2025 is a threat?
intro music makes it look like a drama show recap
It was awesome 😂
It is. None of this is legal or political. Those things don't get clicks. This dogshit does.
This is why we are fucked. Blame the Supreme Court if you must. But that's simply not true.
i feel like everyone is too doomer at this point. and destiny saying "ill just move" sorry dude, american politics affects the entire world. destiny is the only dude who gets more dramatic as he gets older.
@@swiglogic How is blaming the Supreme court "not true"? Justify that statement.
Counterpoints essential problem in life is not being able to realize the depths of his own ignorance in ANY argument.
So he arrogant
It’s deeper than ignorance, it’s plain stupidity, he’s not an intelligent person, he couldn’t even handle a hypothetical.
It's interesting to watch people rationalize being fascist to stop fascism
It’s not Facism
Because democracy is soft and ineffective. It's like pacifism and bound to be outcompeted by more aggressive and efficient ideals.
@@marksmanmerc1 A fine mindset until you end up under the boot
Is only flexing power the supreme court stupidly gave the president against the supreme court enough to be considered fascism?
@@marksmanmerc1 I disagree, democracy seems ineffective because with democracy you can see the cracks, and disscuss them, which is good, that is the point. If you have hard strong leader corruption still exits, inefficiencies still extis, but they are hidden behind party propaganda, and iron fist, so it SEEMS to be smaller, because in democracy EVERY problem is being brought to light, while in dictatorships only the biggest get any kind of attention
The 25th amendment is out the door. A president can dismiss cabinet members for any reason.
If they all get together before they're dismissed, it doesn't matter.
I doubt anyone in Trump's 2024 cabinet would dare invoke it anyway. Impeachment isn't happening either. He can and will absolutely abuse this power, no telling how far he'll take it with another 4 years.
Democrats will have to either stack the courts, get enough support together for a constitutional amendment or survive the next 30 years to hold the executive and replace justices to reverse or at least specify what official acts are protected and not protected.
@@MrUbercroz I doubt they will convene and dismiss in a day. Especially since Trump is getting hand picked cabinet suggestions that have to be 100% loyal to Trump.
Couldn’t they do a secret meeting?
@@MrUbercrozand they risk being executed for treason
110% with destiny on this. Dan is giving Trump supporters TOO MUCH CREDIT. they will 100% say Trump should have the power to do whatever he wants and that Biden shouldn't they don't think logically.
I think a big pile of republicans might want that, but I also think there's a lot of people who would rather deny that this is the case and say that Trump actually isn't criminally immune at all
@@TheAxeter I think many of those people are operating in bad faith
@@roymarshall_ That's probably true, but remember cognitive dissonance can make a person seem very similar to a liar
@@swickens930 it applies to all presidents but trump is the only one so far who has actively declared that he's going to try to make america into a dictatorship. Trump is the only one to completely transparently get buddy buddy with and express admiration for dictators like putin and kim jong un. it doesn't really matter if it applies to all presidents if trump is the last president of the united states, the fact that you don't have the ability to think this through should be TERRIFYING for you.
You are completely misunderstanding the entirely separate reality that exists between Trump supporters and everyone else rn. Most Trump supporters have no clue the reality of the ramifications of this and are being told that they are fighting fascism with stuff like this. They don't think any of this stuff is giving Trump unlimited power, they think it's fighting against the corrupt power of the courts and whatnot. The majority would absolutely not say that, especially if it was worded that way, because they are under the impression that they are supporting something wildly different. Most supporters are just completely uninformed and being lied to. There is a reason that a lot of more educated Conservaties do not like Trump AT ALL and are trying to fight against all this. It's just like with Communists, most think they are supporting a liberating policy that will make everyone more free and equal because they are operating on an entirely separate factual framework.
26:00 No no no, the Constitution was done by a bunch of YOUNG MEN. These guys were mostly 25-35 when they penned that thing. People forget that.
I could absolutely be wrong, but Adam's and Jefferson and Madison were all quite a bit older.
True, mostly. But life expectancy then was 35. Shockingly young.
@@thomaswalmsley8959 Not to argue, just pulled up the numbers.
I see 56 names, the Average Age of a Signer was 44.517.
By Age Group, we have:
70: 1 (Big Benny Frank-Frank, they called him)
60-69: 6.
50-59: 10
40-40: 20
30-39: 17
20-29: 2
39 to 17 for Under 50. So you are correct that I was a little off, only 19 are Under 40.
Always good to just pull up the real data when we can. :D
This idea that America was founded by a bunch of Geriatrics is crazy though. You don't leave Countries you hate to start new ones on your death bed. Revolution is a young man's game. :D
@@thomaswalmsley8959 Jefferson was 70. The Average Age of a Signer was 44.
There were 17 people Over 49 Years Old signing, out of 56.
@@larryforbes6718 Well, that's an off-stat.
What I mean is, Child Morbidity was MUCH higher back then. When you have more 0's, drags your Average down. If you made it past, say, 5 Years Old, you were probably going to 60+.
So your statistic isn't wrong... but there's a reason for it and the context makes it seem very different.
Your stat makes it seem like people just don't make it to their 40s... that wasn't the case. The problem was making it past 5. :D
I legitimately don't understand how dan and destiny are friends. Dan takes nothing seriously but yet obsessively sticks to his completely biased opinions that have 0 research backing it. That is the very thing destiny says he abhors and fights against
You can still be friends with someone you disagree with.
@@meowM30Wmew True, i can barely stand my best friend at times lol
bc dan is a normal dude generally it’s like having an NL on the stream
What Destiny wanted for the civics school is standard in germany, because we had two instances where loopholes let us slip into authoritarianism
True but if I think back to Politik and Sozi I gotta admit that most of my classmates including me only paid interest when it came to WW2 or current time events.
You're right though our political education is far superior however that is starting to change as well. Go to a German school. You'd be surprised how dramatic our education letdown has been.
The Ampel cutting political education funding doesn't help as well
Btw, do you fear the same could happen here with our constitutional courts? If the AfD is really the majority ruling party in the state elections they can appoint their constitutional watch and court members which could lead to a similar erosion of our separations of power.
I don't think we run into the president-king issue but our constitutional courts being corrupted is not out the question
@@PuddingXXL I believe it could happen. If it does, it'd be slow - no individual change will be unconstitutional "enough" for the majority to put a stop to it, but if you look over periods of time, we could see those little changes adding up to antidemocratic and maybe even unconstitutional changes
@@jacc7203 Exactly why this is something I worry about.
Also the frustration turns people to be non-voters and leave the field behind for radically engaged dogmatists.
People need to realise that democracy does not stay without us fighting or working for it to stay.
Dan is absolutely YAPPING Jesus
"Its not the system I want to live in"
But it is the system you are living in. The supreme court has functionally changed the system, and playing on the old meta won't make the build work in the current one.
If you dont want to live in that system and you feel like you'd move, you should do it right now, not on the conditional of if trump gets into power
I've been saying this for months already, destiny doesn't move to the "extreme" because whatever happens he will be safe. He's a spineless, coward.
Destiny downloading then opening slay the spire and his chat going nuts just to not make a single move and close the game and go back to debating 😂 god tier moment. 1:48:00
That is the sad reality of online political content. Even absent ADHD you might as well play a game because you're really just waiting for your turn to speak or everyone else to catch up with the conversation.
Justifying Biden just becoming king while also saying if Trump wins its the end of democracy 🤣
Somebody said “whats the difference between destiny and the brave firefighter who lost his life at the trump rally”.. “the firefighters wife actually loved her husband” the irony of that BURN
When did counterpoints develop this nerd lisp?
Seriously. I had no idea who was talking until I actually looked at the video. I can tell it's him when he raises his voice though.
Isnt it just a shitty phone mic or sumn
Bold to assume Trump is just gonna let Americans leave his kingdom with all their money.
@@user-dq3xw9cv3e yes, pdf files are bad
@@user-dq3xw9cv3ewhat do you like about him?
What's his best quality?
@@brazenatheist1676 his smile : )
@@user-dq3xw9cv3eyeah trumples aren’t a cult at all. They just never disagree with their god!
Bold to assume other countries want American refugees, especially after proving disloyalty and flightiness in the face of discomfort. Rome does not pay traitors, nor should anyone.
Counterpoints wrong 24/7, this shouldn't be a shock anymore
This is such a clusterfuck and I love it, I hate everyone on this stream except Destiny and he is the least engaged in this conversation aside from maybe esportsbatman. Everyone is arguing over who is interrupting who, when they are all interrupting each other and interrupting just to talk shit. I didn’t know that putting Counterpoints, Pisco and Dan in a room would cause such a clusterfuck of a conversation. Everyone here is stupid and it’s glorious to watch…
The ruling says 2 things: 1. the President has immunity from core duties outlines in article 2. Not really controversial, you cant prosecute a president for a prison escape when they issue a pardon. You cant prosecute a president with manslaughter when he orders soldiers into battle. Etc.
2. Official actions requisite for the practical assertion of 1 are also immune. This is really where the controversy actually rests, and more specifically, how do we determine which presidential acts are official, and what stops a president from claiming any/every action is official. The court is not clear here- in fact the majority opinion expressly states this hasnt been answered by the lower court, so they consequently cant review or rule on it.
How you jump from that to, we have a king that can expand his core powers to any and everything, is legit unhinged. This will 100% come back to the court to determine how to evaluate what is an official action, and i imagine this conversation will age badly when that ruling makes these takes even more obviously silly than this already dumb and alarmist take is.
Lastly, there is a built in democratic solution thats completely ignored in their pipe dream ramble of "king Biden's" dictatorship... its called a constitutional amendment, and we have a bunch. It's so crazy to say, we hate this "king ruling" so lets ignore the constitutional remedy and instead make a King to defeat the king ruling. Unhinged.
"Don't try to act like you're smarter than me."
Is something a dumb person says. Sorry Connor 😢
Unfortunately, I don't think asserting unprompted that you think you are more intelligent than you assume other people think you are is particularly persuasive.
Usually a good rule of thumb, if you have to constantly remind all the people around you how smart you are, youre prob not 😂
Tiny is becoming a god damn doomer.
Dunning Kruger case.
Pretty easy when the SCOTUS, supposedly the most unbiased part of gov power here decided that
IN REFERENCE TO a president being tried for multiple attempts that all lead to unlawfully overturning an election, he is IMMUNE to any judgement or even researching of his actions, as they are within the rights of a president.
This goes against anything the founders of the country stood for and is making way for the same divine rule style bullshit America was created to escape from. If you aren't doomered on this, there's a solid chance you just don't know anything that's happening.
Americans try their best to make him.
@@armassilenciosasparaguerra1668You wish. You're coping if you think this supreme court opinion is not a big deal. That or you have no ounce of respect for the US constitution
I dont think its being doomer to say you dont agree with participating in the new political landscape of wanting your party to undemocratically enforce its will.
Sometimes destiny says things and all I can think is he needs to get out of his apartment and meet real people
What things?
@@lampad4549that majority of republicans would be happy with a king...
You're saying this to a guy who is literally gone 5 days of the week every second week, going to campuses, other podcasts, has visited literal Israel and does canvassing and campaign support every election aka he is outside 90% the time except for streaming which is his job
Your comment is a bit tone-deaf since I'm pretty sure destiny has touched more grass then 99% of this community
@@tenneariaball1591definitely not that because that is correct
@@PuddingXXLwhile that’s all true he still fundamentally misunderstands authoritarianism and has the least grounded take of “just move if you don’t like it. The system failed”
I feel like saying go ask any American is a stupid Idea. Last election 66% of Americans turned out to vote and it seems like even more are going to sit on the sidelines this election. I feel like the real question is: Is there a way to get it on the Ballot for Biden to try and give the American People the Choice to say no?
So funny that you can see the whole conservative ethos in Connor: paranoid about everyone thinking they’re smarter than he is (they are) and happily saying things about reality that are the opposite of reality.
It’s pretty sad and confronting tbh. The biggest thing that keeps me away from conservatism is conservatives. Lol
@@swickens930 you’re doing it now. For example, you don’t “extract” anything “to” an ethos. But I stopped taking philosophy classes after I completed my M.A., so maybe you know more than I do… kid. 🫡
So to summarize this video. 45 minutes of Dan wanting to coup the government and do a little fascism to prevent a lot of fascism.
The rest is counterpoints not understanding the difference between a core function and a lawful order and not understanding that the ruling is saying that core functions cannot be reviewed and are immune. Which then means that unlawful orders cannot even be reviewed to determine if they were unlawful. And finally he falls back on the 25th amendment and impeachment which do nothing for the criminal immunity and even if they did they are entirely political and only work if you don't have exclusively loyalists which under Trump is exactly what we saw. The 25th was never going to be envoked for him and the Senate protected him in spite of the fact that they all knew and said he was guilty. So every single thing counterpoints said totally falls flat.
Connor’s absolute refusal to comprehend what is being said to him is grounds for a new sub field of psychology. 😅
wtf, man!
“But that’s illegal and not his duty,”
Yeah MFKR! BUT THE COURT CAN LONGER MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
Why is this so hard?!
How would an American even do anything about this ruling? The supreme court isn’t subject to will of the people because we don’t elect them.
You can't do anything for the moment but you still have elections and the impeachment process which are way more important mechanisms in fending off tyranny. People seem to be forgetting this.
A future court can rule against _this_ ruling but only if people don't overreact to this one and set their country aflame. Don't listen to the nonsense of people like Dan: He's a dangerous, panicky moron.
We sit back and watch democrats do nothing and then watch Republicans abuse the fuck out of it.
Unironically this is what we have the second amendment for.
That's why arguing that people voted for this is stupid
The supreme Court is supposed to not be subject to the will of the people. It's one of 3 coequal branches of government. Congress can impeach and remove justices.
dan just used the classic debate fallacy "thanks Obama"
I love listening to Dan play 3D chess against himself.
I love how Connor has the nerve to be homophobic at the end with that lisp he has throughout this whole debate. Imagine breaking down into homophobia when you can't win an argument over politics while being a father. Pathetic.
I agree with Dan a lot here, but Destiny does make a good point, especially in the first 30 minutes of the video. Talking about how you're using the ends to justify the means, but the means destroys the entire purpose anyway. It does sort of feel like Democrats try to uphold the law while the republicans are bending the law to make it unfavorable to do so, and I agree that I don't want to live in that world, but how do you fight it if you don't stoop to that level? It seems to me that there really is no way to fight it other than to get out of the system, which seems counter intuitive.
I agree. Also if all Biden did with this "king power" was get rid of the power, that could lead into an amazing speech about how he shouldn't have the power, no one should, preserving the power of the people, democracy and so on.
It just all feels so fucking stupid and over complicated…
End 1: democracy in America is mostly back to how it was, the Supreme Court is packed ‘illegitimately’, the president used his powers in an unprecedented authoritarian manner, it is written into law that it can never be done again and can’t be undone without 90% approval. Biden has a higher chance at winning election because saved democracy like chad dan wanted.
End 2: nothing happens, president is still probably a king, everyone still hates Biden, King trump is elected.
End 3: nothing happens, Biden wins election, ???, profit everything is fixed!, wake up from simulation.
the ends is all that matters. You think the means matters because the means has things attached to it. But the things attached to it are only bad or good because they affect the end. In this case the means don’t “destroy the entire purpose”, the means are the only way to get to a non-authoritarian end.
Destiny spoke about how Americans support the system being corrupted in the way that is. Dan is only suggesting to use the system, not go outside of it, to bring the system back in line to how it was.
Dan also brings up a good point that the people that voted for Biden would want king trump to be the thing he fights hardest against, most Americans would support using the and fixing the corrupted system to prevent that.
In the end what does destiny even suggest? Fucking nothing, “well there’s an election coming up, let’s see what people vote for.” “I’ll just move I guess…” It’s a joke, trump will win this election and he will be king because Biden has a bunch of Destinys around him and not enough Dans.
What you can do is go and vote. In the future we can appoint more judges again who might be able to revert the rule. It's not as quick and sexy as becoming authoritarian autocrats but it's the ethical way.
The risk is obviously that we might get a president who will abuse this ruling in the future before we can appoint judges.
@@PuddingXXL lol cool, it’s so much more ethical to have 50 years of kings when half of America wants people like trump in office, yup sounds really good to me, definitely less authoritarian 👍
I mean what’s the alternative, doing a heinous authoritarian act like (checks notes) packing a rouge Supreme Court to undo the law that makes kings.
"Democrats are trying to uphold the law"
...the party that has been saying they want to increase the number of SCOTUS justices to stack the courts, get rid of the electoral college, called the last president illegitimate and the election stolen, endorsed riots that attacked federal buildings, claimed federal organizations were putting people in camps which led to attacks on said organizations, tried to circumvent the supreme court, covered up an abuse case in Virginia, refuses to enforce border security and tried to stop local states from enforcing border security, and whose current candidates for president and vice president called a man who tried to kidnap two children to tell him they supported him is... "trying to uphold the law"? That's the argument you want made here?
Lost a lot of respect for counter points in this one
You had respect for counterpoints? 😂😊
@@chaderiksson7776 at least a little
CP: “I am an intelligent respectable human being”
PissGod: “You’re not.”
What a legend
And then he told Steven that if a teenager if ruining his life and he has no legal recourse, that his only option is to write to his congressmen and lobby to get the laws changed and wait for years while he remains unable to earn a living and pay rent
So Pisco isn’t always the sharpest tool in the shed
CounterPoints has a severe inferiority insecurities, he constantly when backed into an intellectual corner will lash out and say the same lines rehashed which are usually "You're not smarter than me!" as if that means anything here when we're talking about the substance of the ruling
Holy shit, Dan was so right in the beginning and Destiny was so goddamn bad faith lmao
I’m realizing I have given Dan far too much credit for his intelligence, so far he’s done the equivalent of sitting on a sidewalk and shrieking.
I love seeing the amount of deserved Dan hate. I don't care if Destiny and him are frie da but he is a detriment to Destiny career wise/reputation wise and sanity wise. Dan is a total dipshit and he treats Destiny like absolute garbage
He's 100% fallen into the lets do the thing the extreme far right and extreme far left want to do, while delusionally thinking it wont blow up in his face, or that someone worse from those extremes wont come in at abuse those powers further to fuck him. His reactions is what lead to the Nazi's taking power, the only difference is the German people were complaining about communists, instead of Theocratic-leaning authoritarians/fascists
Intro music has me pumped
14:54 is such a bar from Destiny, like it just plainly lays out how far gone the country is rn
first 45 minutes is giving me a headache lmao
I said this the last time Dan was talking about the law - Destiny is decent, Dan is omfg wtf bs is he blabbering about? He suffers from Dunning Kruger when it comes to the law - he knows a little bit but not enough to know that his knowledge is extremely limited.
Hes me LEAST favorite part of this current arc
Half of everything Dan talks about is just made up
Dan is trash
((They)) are not sending their best
@@timothygrady2905 pirate ass comment
Lol a majority of Americans want a lot of programs and legislative changes that have no shot of being ratified, but Dan seems to think that 'well if most people want a thing, you can get it'
Destiny is Lord Shimura and the other guy is Jin Sakai
caught this live but am watching it again. some good content in here
Dan AND Pisco? End me, please.
"pack the court with 4 supreme court justices and then make it illegal to ever pack the court again" bro what the fuck
In the context of a supreme court ruling they are duty bound to not stray outside of our constitution. Nor can they use color of law as a get out of jail free card as the court says using "interpretation" to get their ruling done when the plain text of the constitution is sufficient and is the last word without the need of interpretation.
When you’re just doing your daily emails while the family fight over Christmas dinner
10:13 Dan is one of those people destiny was just talking about that doesn’t understand how the us government works and would have been helped by civics class
Actual entertaining content on the Destiny channel? Have I been transported back to 3 years ago?
The irony of Dan saying anyone is an eel, when he won’t let you finish a sentence and his only counter argument is, “you’re wrong”
Dan should Google the Night of the Long Knives to see what happens when his style of "saving democracy" is implemented.
No they were just doing authoritarianism wrong, we’ll do the right kind of authoritarianism and everyone will be good people and bad people won’t exist. In fact, there has never been a TRUE socialism, uh, I mean authoritarianism country in the world.
Same dumb opinion.
Or we can wait until trump does it. Because he will. The difference is, he has his whole party AND the supreme court in his back pocket so if you give him the chance, he will burn it all to the fucking ground. But hey let's have faith that the "guard rails" hold up. Because it's not like there isn't a online document called "project 2025" that lays out exactly what they are planning to do.
I agree.with the sentiment, but the long knives is not an example of it. The SS killing the SA was never even done with the cover of saving democracy.
Wait what democracy was saved there?
@@thomaswalmsley8959 Hindenburg was threatening martial law and a military dictatorship if the SA wasn't taken care of. Of course, democracy was already mostly gone and eroded at that point, but Hitler was more or less peacefully elected and the SA was an organized militia, becoming more and more capable of a violent coup.
i had social studies in the late 80's so yes I know the three branches without thinking about it.
Half the country has a brain like Connor and that is why this country is burning to the ground.
This coming from the guy who thinks child pornography is okay?? How can anyone take him seriously?
civics is too boring for kids to remember post primary school
this is doomer cope. it’s just irl d&d, and kids love d&d.
you just got to show them School House Rock
Kevin Spacey showed that politics can be entertainment even if portrayed semi realistically. You just need to make it juicy enough for the attention span of children.
There is a reason why so many teens are interested in WW2 history but not presidential one. That is because it's more engaging, riveting and entertaining
Teach about the constitutional failings of the Weimar republic, I guarantee you, you'll get a a lot of interested students if you frame it around Hitler since every teen can understand the "Nazism is a threat" lesson and they get to watch "funny moustache man" videos while being taught how that man dismantled our democrcy
Well yeah but for every 9 normies if you get one kid that goes on to deepen their knowledge it's worth it imo
Whereas if we just decide no one cares then no one ever gets exposed to things and all the untapped potential goes to waste
I think we need to change how it is taught & not let kids slip by on failing civics.
I don’t want to live under a monarchy either.
We get free bread weekly though :)
@@mikemikel1629 I’m on a keto diet.
the issue is that he thinks the legislative branch has absolute control of the executive branch, I have no clue why this was never stated lol. Its a triangle of checks and balances, once you remove one aspect of it it breaks.
Destiny advocating for constitutional law classes being taught in high school is hilarious.
Okay 13 more minutes of this, (1hr30 remains)
I hate that I agreed with CounterPoints as he screamed at Dan and called hin out. Andrew has a garbage wirldview but at least he's not as worrhless and misibformed as Dan is.
Packing the court is one of the worst things we could ever do ever
Does CounterPoints only exist to vigorously make dumb arguments?
Havent watched it yet - is the mall cop as delusional as he was in the case of the Twitter Files?
The reason the AG conversation is official and above review is because the government and Trump in the lawsuit both agreed it was official. The government did not object to this.
Connor comes off as very self conscious about his intelligence and over compensating by just flat out disagreeing regardless of the facts
baller video ms. destiny i already watched it all
That fast???
@@FrankenPinky 100x speed
Connor is trying hard to fight against his conservative upbringing and early life leanings. Its tough. Been there. This argument hes having with destiny and pisco is more about him arguing with himself
Lol, people like Connor are upset at everyone else for thinking they're smarter than him, while he's saying some ridiculous crap and displaying inability to comprehend or confront a potential hypothetical.
Dan's position is so doomsday and putting the cart before the horse. People on all sides are literally forgetting the absolute basics of our government and diving waist deep into the weeds on it to try to "fix" it, even when the ruling is likely to be clarified in the coming months. Judicial branch's job is to rule on the law. It is the left-wing view that the unelected judges from the judicial branch legislates from the bench. It is the right wing view that you rule on the law as written and use the court to clarify gray areas according to the spirit of the law (actual purpose of the court). While I do agree that this ruling is a step too far, I can see a core concept that they are addressing in the gray area of the law.
All you have to do to fix this is to create a literal law addressing this exact thing in congress. The supreme court can then rule on the constitutionality/legality of that new law vs immunity. Considering we have an originalist supreme court, if there is a new law that explicitly states and outlines executive immunity they are likely to rule along those grounds. At the very least, it kicks it back to the court for another ruling to allow the courts to sort it out even more.
Civics literally is a required class to graduate in the US. And yes Destiny, everything you laid out is part of those classes. You think "school must not teach this stuff because no one knows it" is insane. Do you remember highschool? 90% of students don't give a shit. You can mandate ehat classes and whay curriculum is taught all you want but that won't mean a damn thing. Its a cultural issue. We need to elevate learning CULTURALLY before anything will change.
Isn't the ability to be an idiot and lead a happy, fulfilling, prosperous life a core American value? I'm only half joking...
@@VestinVestin I mean..... you're not wrong. Lol
The irony of Pisco complaining about Connor yapping is insane. Pisco is a genuinely intelligent guy, but fuck me he needs to learn to not fucking interupt someone who is acting in good faith.
12:02 it doesn’t even work since the immunity is against crimes and not a ruling of absolute authority. This may seem similar sounding and it is nuanced, but there’s a difference. Going with his hypothetical proposed scenario, yes Biden wouldn’t be able to be charged with a crime for the official acts, but the Supreme Court would still get the final say on whether or not the president has the ability to bypass the the requirement of a senate confirmation, and the power to expand the courts is one held by the legislative branch. Because of this the court would be able to dismiss the 4 attempted judges to be added.
The ruling gave the president the authority to commit any crime he likes but it didn’t give the authority to legislate with absolute power.
Even if you hate destiny the arguments against him are some of the smoothest brain takes I've heard
Low key this is some good ol democracy in pratice.
not democracy, Democracy. the distinction is important
Why is Dan involved in any of this he might actually be the biggest nimrod of them all
100% Dan is the worst thing about Destiny recently... The guy is useless... Dan's contribution, at all times is to be a hyperbolic dipshit and troll everyone. His opinions can always be summarized to "I think we should do more good things and less bad things. Things I want are the good things and anyone who disagrees with me wants bad things and that's why I can act like a r***** because bad people don't deserve any respect." Every.fucking.time.
Lowkey the whole Supreme Court decision is extremely depressing to me on how people don’t understand the insane down hill slope this potentially can lead too. How people can’t see how “official duty” is so broad and open ended and how almost anything in the executive branch can be interpreted as “official duty”. Honestly if Donald trump gets voted in, I just don’t think people care about being American or having equal rule of law. Like I’m just so shock and only hope that: 1 trump doesn’t get voted in, 2 or the ruling get changed quickly before anybody can take advantage of it. But honestly my hope is dwindling down
...i genuinely dont think destiny can in good faith advocate for people to move out of america if he doesnt also do it, considering thats his own viewpoint. I think hes been defending our system working the way it should so long that it breaking in front of him is causing him to run into contradictory thoughts.
Is that guy really screaming like that with a baby nearby that he is taking care of?
Political psychosis 😢
1:18:15
CP: “I am an intelligent respectable human being”
PissGod: “You’re not.”
What a legend
God I've missed dumb circular debates like this on Steven's channel.
2:56 TRUE!!! Democracy was kinda forced on the Germans due to WW1 and look what happened... A ton of people still wanted a German empire compared to democracy which had much less support than authoritarian rule, many just disagreed on what type of authoritarian they wanted (i.e. the old monarch, a new monarchy, a communist authoritarian, a fascistic authoritarian of some variety, etc.) and before you know it they went right back to authoritarianism as soon as one of those authoritarian groups intimidated/persuaded the others to get behind their cause...
Dan is insufferable. I wish he just stuck to AE which is dont watch anyway because he is there
Jesus Christ. Hearing all my left-wing brothers and sisters trip over each other to use horrific dictatorial tactics heroically, so we can save our democracy is very depressing. So many times as I watched the MAGA virus consume American conservatism, I would shake my head and say, "Man, no matter what happens, WE would NEVER act like that. WE would never start to deny reality and justify things antithetical to our democracy and our most hallowed American values."
1. If in order to 'win' this election and the larger ideological struggle, we have to literally adopt the tools and tricks of our political opponents that offend us the most, then how is that even winning? How is that not us just joining the MAGA movement, while telling ourselves that we're still the good guys?
2. If dems did somehow decide to do the whole only-just-this-one-time gambit and managed to reverse-UNO the supreme court decision and also help dems eke out a presidential victory, I cannot imagine an America that wasn't utterly disgusted with our party. They would correctly crow about the depths of hypocrisy that democrats have sunk to. And in the next (presumably free and fair) election, democrats would be electorally punished in a red tsunami the likes of which we may never have seen.
3. I think the procedural complexties of the dems doing this kind of anti-fascist pseudo-fascist ju jitsu are (IMHO) far more difficult and messy and likely to collapse or fail or be thwarted than any of these starry-eyed anti-heroes are allowing themselves to acknowledge. This is a sweeping and bizarre ruling that is both untested and unprecedented. How do dems cobble together an air-tight strategy to use it in a series of masterstrokes that are not derailed before this election happens?
I think people are just scared. Trump is most likely going to abuse these powers in an extremely scary way. People see Trump doing that as an inevitability, so in their heads, the only defense we have against trump becoming god emperor and executing people for making mean tweets about him is to have Biden abuse these powers first.
I don’t agree with it, but I fully understand why people like Dan are thinking this way.
MAGA is a response to Dems already acting like that. Millions of the most pro MAGA people were Democrats or still are registered as Democrats. That's why they're so pro MAGA, they feel betrayed and appalled at how crazy the left got.
One big issue with the "only-just-this-one-time gambit" is that it's super easy to counter. The republicans just have to impeach all the democratic SC justices once they get into power.
Hell, they wouldn't even need to do that. They could just imprison all the democrats, make a new supreme court, and the have that new supreme court rule that all their actions are constitutional.
This idea that you can punch someone and then say "I made a rule that says you can't punch me back!" is pretty naive thinking.
To play devil's advocate what are your solutions then?
its just idiots like dan being dumb. there are always knuckledraggers in any group
The amount of times someone says something and immediately goes to explain it, just to be cut off by the other person going 'HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT' was boggling
Slay the Spire is not a good game to play on stream for Destiny. Theres too much text and math and considerations you have to make. Theres no "jumping around in circles in minecraft" way of playing Slay the Spire, you have to be pretty locked in the whole time as the nature of rougelikes is to punish bad plays.
Closest I’ve ever come to agreeing with Dan on anything
Says a lot about you doesnt it.
Destiny calling someone else condescending is fucking hilarious
Telling everyone, "I'll just leave".