JJ Redick and Tyrese Haliburton Can't Believe How Boston Is Defending Stephen Curry
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2022
- JJ Redick (ESPN / First Take) and Tyrese Haliburton talk about the way The Boston Celtics are defending Stephen Curry (The Golden State Warriors) and why it's not working. They also talk about how they'd go about defending Steph in Game 5.
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I think the drop coverage against Steph is doing something very interesting - and I think it's the reason that Boston has been able to basically pull even against the Warriors. Instead of employing an obvious strategy of take Curry out of the game. The Celtics have committed to taking Draymond out of the (offensive) game. What drop coverage is doing - is forcing Curry into an alpha, on-ball position and beat you with his contested outside shooting. The alternative - when you trap Curry - he gets rid of the ball - finds Draymond - and becomes the playmaker (which is what the Warriors WANT more than anything) - a defense in scramble mode - Draymond with the ball - lob threats - Curry and Thompson coming off picks. This is where the Warriors are MOST dangerous. And that is what the Celtics have decided to take away. And strategically - it may not look smart when Curry is doing Curry things - but the alternative is so much more CONSISTANTLY or RELIABLY dangerous. ps. big fan of the show JJ
Also, I think these next today & game 6 benefits the Celtics. They play better on days they get rest game because of now player Smart & Robert get a few more days. Game 1 & 3 were long in between days.
you’re absolutely right. if curry had even had one off night it would 3-1 right now. he was hotter than fish grease last game and they still should’ve won if it wasn’t for a little choking and smart playing hero ball at the end
Wise thread
Agree with your comment 100%.
@@tannerw5011 I don't think Steph will have an off night if he's given that much space.
Is funny how now everyone knows how to “stop” Steph. But when they face him is the same thing. They get cooked. Stop it.
-- agree. BOS got to finals for a reason, and the series it TIED 2-2. They know what they want to do. Steph is going super saiyan. So either BOS's guys need to step up more, OR mix it up (per JJ).
No, everyone knows how to do it on paper, but not guarding him.
@@jlui21 the point is part of the problem is that having horford and williams drop on pick and rolls gives him too much space, allowing him to go ballistic. He has struggled with getting trapped in the past… but like you said, curry is curry, it’s about how much u can limit him and these guys are professionals and know more than me lol
@@jlui21 I think what JJ is saying though is that the series could very well be 3-1 right now in GS favor going back to SF the way they’re guarding Steph. Also if we look back it’s pretty clear 4th quarter game 1 was extremely flukey.
Honestly
As a kings fan, I was watching this proud of tyrese’s smarts, IQ, the way he breaks down the game… then forgot he doesn’t play for us.
Miss you Ty.
Yes 😥
I feel you, but Kings fan should be an oxymoron when the Dubs are right down Hwy. 80. Good luck Mike Brown
hes one them dudes who gotta get on the pod w bron and jj
How to guard Steph: Jump him
Boston needs to trap Steph in double teams and force him to give up the ball
@@grapesoda24 But then that allows Draymond to run with th ball, and it's always an easy pass for him. Celtics managed to make him a non factor in those finals because of the small drop they do on Steph (and that drp is not that huge lmao, they're always in Steph's arms)
Land on him jk
@@nathanfujiwara6559 nah screw that. I’m trapping him everytime (same treatment they gave KD). Draymond & Co just gonna have to beat me and I’ll live with those results. What I can’t live with is Steph dropping a efficient 34 a night on me.
@Sam
Bruh do you guys even watch basketball? Curry has a top 2 handle all time doubling him DOESNT WORK
Like... Have y'all never seen GS play? Theres never been a dude in the history of the league who could dismantle a double team like Steph and when combined with Dray's playmaking blitzing him his a silly endeavor
If u stop the drop coverage, then draymond gets unlocked and at that point golden states offense becomes even more unstoppable.
Draymond unlocked 😭
@@mr.roodypoo9454 he's def not wrong. Draymond playing 4 on 3 after Steph gets doubled or blitzed is part of what got them the chips they have. Plus other guys can get going with easier shots
@@brandonwilliams3788 I mean who would you rather try beat you, Steph or the others? KD is not there and Klay is not consistent
@@mr.roodypoo9454 Draymond gets the pass out of the trap, a defender peels offs to slow Draymond, then Draymond makes another pass to an open player. The opposing defense is now completely out of position and gets shredded. This is what the Warriors are so good at.
Yeah the thing is are you more scared on klay and Poole OR the greatest shooter of all time?
I personally think it’s Steph.
The Celtics are holding the Warriors to 105 points per game this series. Before the series started the warriors were averaging 116 per game in the post season. The idea that this defensive strategy is obviously not working seems crazy to me. The problem the Celtics are having are on offense, turnovers and poor decision making/shot selection.
Edit: in the Dallas series Steph averaged only 23.8, he’s averaging 34.3 vs the Celtics. However, the Celtics are holding the warriors to a whopping 10 points per game less than Dallas did. To me, this is a complete endorsement of Udoka’s strategy. I’m sure he would rather have this scenario than Steph scoring less but the whole team going off.
Yes the inconsistent offense is what hurt them in Game 4. Up 94-90 and going cold after that.
totally agree... the game came down to the wire the strategy worked. You're not going to handily beat the warriors, there's no strategy that's going to 'work'... as someone said above when they blitz steph the warriors not named steph win them the game - beat dallas in 5. Obviously boston is better team than dallas but i think boston would rather let steph get his a few times then let the other warriors all get close to 20.
Then Celts need to play smaller. Step is having a fest driving on Horford and Williams.
The warriors are also holding Boston to 105 pts this series lol you can’t credit Boston’s defense and not credit the warriors defense. Those turnovers and bad shots are happening because of the warriors defense.
@@subjectively_objective yeah like Steph is averaging 11 more points per game in this series than the WCF but the warriors as a team are averaging 10 points per game less than the WCF. To me that clearly means the plan is working.
Celtics aren’t trying to “stop” curry. They believe they have enough man power to drop and still provide enough coverage on Steph (or at least are willing to sacrifice Steph shooting). The drop coverage removes the 4-3 down hill skill of draymond which frankly might be the best offense the warriors have by ppp…
Very well said. People wonder why Draymond looks like he hasn’t been performing this series and it’s because he thrives in that high pick and roll when steph gets doubled. It just hasn’t really happened this series.
Absolutely. If Golden State wins because Steph is dropping 40+ on tightly contested three’s then you shake his hand and accept the results. The series is still tied 2-2. And the Celtics have kept it close, only losing in games when Steph gets hot. Boston just needs him to have one bad shooting game and they swing the series back to them
But you can’t afford to have Dray charge downhill hitting Looney, Klay, Poole, and Wiggins for layups and open threes.
One edit, the Celtics are the only team really using drop coverage against them this playoffs and are also the only team to be up 1-0 and 2-1 so I don’t think this idea is that crazy. Just continue to pray Steph isn’t hitting close to 50% of his 3s.
I think if the screener is anyone not named Draymond they should blitz a little more
Right now Curry shooting behind a PnR is at 1.5 PPP. I dont know if It's really a better option than letting Dray play 4 vs 3 for the Celtics.
tyrese is so smart. every day the kings trade makes less and less sense. he’s gonna make them pay
Kings played themselves but haliburton ain’t doing anything on the pacers either
@@C____K thank u lol the kings won more games than the pacers did since the trade
@@C____K talk to me in 5 years
So hyped for potential kings and pacers finals
@@cloutstefan7030 LMAOOOOO
The series has been so close because the Celtics have done a number on the others, anything different will end up in blowouts. Celtics know if they stop the drop coverage guys like Klay and Poole will go off. Against Dallas, Steph didn't have a great series numbers wise because they blitzed him but Klay, Wiggins and Poole did, they won in five games.
Why is switching suddenly not an option for the league's switchiest team though? Sure, Steph will toast Al and Rob occasionally, but it's not even like anyone can argue drop coverage is working and indeed every time I've seen them forced into heavier switching, the Warriors offense stutters. The best way to beat switch heavy defenses is to isolate, but if you're forcing the Warriors into the thing they're least comfortable with on offense and the thing they've done almost the least in the league of any team, you've done your job on defense. I don't get it, Ime.
@@kunalmishra9463 a switch is quite easy to read with both defenders already positioning themselves to take the other. The only thing Steph needs to do is reject the screen and run hard to the rim or have the screener set a flat screen so Steph has both options which will have the defense guessing half the time which way he's gonna go. And if the switch is successful, Steph is the best at giving up the ball and relocating to a different spot on the floor. Their best option is to keep Steph on ball on iso situations against guards and the best possible way to do that is do the drop coverage and hope for the best that the defender can fight through the screen and recover to pick up Steph.
@@kunalmishra9463 Guys like Smart and Timelord are probably not healthy enough to deal with a team that is constantly on the move, so the Celtics have resorted to trying to withstand Steph barrages rather than have the whole Warriors team get their motion game going and overwhelm them.
@@MrLakerfan2490 you got it, also if they do what they’re saying above or trap the warriors get back to their known 4-3 basketball and they’re trying to relocate steph and klay in scramble mode which is just bad news. they’re basically daring curry to beat them, and as good as he is i’m actually pretty surprised he’s been shooting this good on some of the insane shots he’s making. i figure he would have one off game but i guess he’s that good. they left him open so much in game 1 he’s gotten into a crazy rhythm
The series close because they’re letting him shoot open shots
As a kings fan i cant watch tyrese without my heart hurting 😫
the kings franchise sold bad
You done got fleeced bro
The kings have a fan ???
@@ineedyourwifi More than the Nets
Sabonis is crazy young tho, he has duncan/garnett potential i think if he gets the right players around him
Im not defending Udoka but I think the idea is to protect the paint from the other Warriors pieces. When GSW has had 2 guys get 30 points I believe they are undefeated in the postseason, so Al & Robert dropping is really to protect the paint against Wiggins & to be in help against Klay & Poole.
The drop coverage is to prevent the breakdown of the defense with the draymond green getting the ball in the short roll with an open paint. Especially if Rob or Al are trapping Steph with whoever is already defending him. Drop off pass, lob, lay-up, kick out, etc will make everything easier for the warriors and tire out the entire Celtics team. Seems to them its better to just tire and wear down Steph.
@@chrollodranx-hunter3389 right but that effects the weapons in Klay/Wiggins/Poole b/c when Draymond gets the ball in those areas he can set them up to score more
@@KDuff-2015 exactly my point
Pro’s and cons always, I think Celtics are doing a great job as a warriors fan I think we would have a much easier time. Steph curry will have his godlike nights. Really interesting series so far.
Exactly, besides, thanks to playing that way, they have made Draymond unplayable for stretches, so anytime you take the team best defender and one of its best passers out of the game, it's a good thing for the C's.
The wild thing is, it's arguably still better to drop on Steph than to just concede the short-roll pass from Draymond that happens every single time Steph is doubled. No matter how good Steph's shot is working, open layups are more deadly.
@oo70mar because warriors offense is alive, everyone is running, everyone is screening.
@oo70mar bro by that statement 2 guys are already on Steph meaning it's a 4v3 advantage for Gsw with Draymond having the ball yet you still want to take away the pass to other players? That's humanly impossible especially against the Warriors with their constant moving offense AND having a 4v3 disadvantage.
@oo70mar Their offense is in motion when that happens because now draymond has options rolling to the basket. They have a much higher chance of scoring when that happens than steph dominating the ball, although he’s been shooting efficient apart from game 5.
@oo70mar so NO ONE will literally guard Draymond? Even as he goes for an OPEN layup? Even if that's Draymond he will make an OPEN 5 foot shot with NO ONE contesting. Every nba player can make an UNCONTESTED layup 99% of the time lol. The reason he can't finish is there's atleast Rob Williams and Al contesting the rim.
But in a Curry blitz that won't happen considering Curry will take away 2 players 1 of which is most likely a big while the other 3 boston guards the other 3 warriors leaving Draymond an open lane with NO CONTEST at the rim whatsoever.
When Steph don't want to be bothered, he won't. He was the reason Jason Tatum was a -31. Keep acting like yall don't see what everyone else sees.
Love the content and the crazy knowledgeable insights ya’ll provide.
With that said, JJ you gotta let Tyrese (and others) finish talking without interrupting!
I understand Boston's philosophy to drop to avoid Draymond's short roll passing forcing their defense to scramble, but with Steph getting crazier and more in rythym in this series I don't know if Ime Udoka can hold on to his current scheme with conviction. It clearly cracked last game in the final minutes, and Draymond generated some good looks for the other Warriors. Guess we'll have to see.
It's so weird going to school with Tyrese in Highschool and just to see how he hasn't changed. Dude's crazy smart and an incredible leader. He is going to take the Pacers to great things.
I agree but at the same time I don’t know if it would be the best time to let a role player beat you when the warriors are at home. Usually the role players play better at home so I think Boston would be better off waiting till game 6 to try that
A lot of people are saying Draymond is choking and him getting benched was cause he was awful, but they don't talk about how drop coverage takes away Draymonds chances of passing. Or how well Draymonds been playing on defense. Steve Kerr was using those timeouts to keep dray on the court during defensive possessions and poole during offensive possession which helped warriors to win
They wont stop drop coverage, they seen it before in 2019 WCF. Blitzing and focusing on Curry will only leave you on 4v3 situation
I think what JJ is saying is that the drop coverage works but you need to throw other defensive schemes at him to throw off how the Warriors counter each offensive possession
guarding steph sounds easy on paper, until you actually get in the game. Boston is probably doing the best job i’ve seen and it still is not enough
Cant wait to see game 5 at home
In all honesty, I think Boston should play drop for the rest of the series. YES Steph is shooting lights out against it BUT the games are still close and winnable even though he is going off. I think the best way for the Celtics to win is to play the game they are familiar with on defence which is the drop. Maybe mix it up sometimes but still play mostly drop. What do you guys think? I still think the warriors are the better team and will take the series in 6
i agree. whatever defense boston is playing right now...keep it up. steph is going off just to keep them in the game, imo. boston just missed shots last game towards the end - shots they made the other games. if they switch up the D, the other warriors might get in rhythm and then it's over for the celtics. i'm rooting for the warriors and hope steph keeps it up but i'm calling it like i see it. collectively, the warriors are dynamic. i'd rather have the 1 superstar go off while shutting down the collective dynamic and just play the odds at that point. GO WARRIORS THO
Agreed, what the Celtics have been trying to do is to seal Draymond because with the drop they cut off his rolls to the rim and passes to the cutters, they have made Draymond, his best defender, unplayable at stretches, which to me is a win. If they doubled Steph or made a hard hedge, they'd be behind the play most of times. Smart is one of the best at navigating screens, and in a long series, is better to have Steph tired by carrying the offense and the rest of the Warriors, and the rest of the warriors out of rythm, than do your best to get Steph out of the game, all the more when you have Klay, Wiggs and Poole as your sidekicks.
yes absolutely. they’re basically saying steph can’t beat us 4 times. and until this year he never has, he is out of this world right now and boston could still be up possibly 3-1 minus some choking. he’s THAT good but he’s due for an off game
@@tannerw5011 as a warriors fan I understand that Cs are essentially eliminating the concept of 4v3 on the backside which creates many openings for the warriors offense (one of their bread and butter offensive philosophies). Imo I think they’ll keep drop coverage but I expect Kerr to run some different or at least similar looking sets with plays for everybody else not named Steph so they can get involved early. Poole or Wiggs are gonna go off tonight because of that but I also think Jayson Tatum is gonna have his best game of the finals tonight as well. Go Warriors!🗿
@@tannerw5011 by that same logic GS should be up 3-1 as well if they didn’t choke on game 1…..
Celtics don’t need to conserve energy in the tank defensively at this point with potentially 3 games left. They will probably implement more of a blitz plus scramble mode.
As a Celtics fan I have literally been preaching this to anyone who would listen since game 1. The only difference in opinion I have is that I feel like the Celtics have been dominant and look like the better team, but playing drop coverage on the best shooter ever is going to literally hand them a championship if we don’t adjust
Your not scared of the draymond short roll passes? that's how Warriors got to the finals in the first place.
Warriors are the better team clearly Boston was neve gonna beat them
@@OmarGarcia-qp9tt It’s really easy to wait after the series is over to respond to that comment lmao. I still feel like Boston is a more talented team but they hurt themselves with stagnant offense and Turnovers. Warriors obviously ended up being the better team this series
@@francisorsomando1139 because that shows who the better team was which golden state is clearly they’re the better team and should have won in 5 games Boston can’t beat golden state in a series that’s a fact
@@francisorsomando1139 you don’t need this series to tell you who the better team was it’s always been golden state
Completely agree to at least mix it in there..been saying if they stop this drop coverage they'll win ez.
I’m 2nd big noti gang but dope vid.
Never blitz Steph because that turns to short roll assists by Dray but the Celtics Bigs shouldn't drop to guard the 3. Sure Steph will drive past but it's not a 3 and it is more tiring on Steph to drive all game long for 2 point floaters and layups.
It's wierd that they're not making him sprint past the bigs all game instead of giving him open looks from tip off
Kerr is out coaching Ime (draymond benching, why are you goin under screens on Wardell) and Steph has been outplaying Tatum glaringly, 2-2 is crazy that G1 4thQ collapse was magical 😂
To say Kerr is out coaching ime is laughable. His decision to play drop on steph has lead to the elimination of draymond from the series. It’s also limited guys like poole and klay that feast off of rotating defenses. Ime forced Kerr to bench draymond. If Tatum plays to his normal level Celtics are up 3-1 in this series easily.
@Tako for MVP warriors move to 0-420 in hypotheticals
@@tako4mvp719 hell if the Celtics don't turn the ball over a billion times a game they probably are up 3-1 despite Steph shooting lights out. Tatum and Smart have to be better. Turning the ball over 16-20 times a game vs the Warriors is not going to win you a title.
@@zachdacosta draymond has worst finals performance ever so far. Lol
Why is everyone under the sun giving advice to Boston on how to defend Curry? Like what the actual F?
Ppl want GS to lose it's crazy!
Heat fan here and yes, they want Boston to win. The announcers were biased throughout our series, and I had to mute the games honestly. One game they stated how great it would be for Tatum to hold the Larry Bird trophy...Good luck
i don’t know the exact quote so don’t get mad at me but lebron was once asked how does one guard stephen curry and his response was something along the lines of “same way you guard me you can’t” and that statement has never been truer after game 4
There was a stat going into this series that Celtics owned the Warriors for years and that Curry averaged the most points against them so to the Celtics that’s why they’re sticking to their game plan. The coach even said he thinks they should be up 3-1
I think the cumulative effect of Curry having to carry the load will take its toll by Game 6.
I’m also expecting them to post Smart and Brown on Curry to tire him out.
I can’t say it’ll be effective but the best athletes get tired of carrying the offensive load in 6 and 7 game series.
I just hope Udoka doesn’t lose his nerve and start blitzing him….you can’t blitz him.
Klay and Dray are too good at seeing that and running over as safety valves to cut that off and back door a layup.
It just seems like the C’s have to work too hard for their looks and points. A lot of iso ball on the wings which I don’t think is sustainable.
lol... How did that turn out for you ? Game size his supporting cast covered for him and then he put the celtics to bed in game 6 lol
If they double curry they essentially make draymond useful. I think the Celtics are doing the right. They won 2 games so it works let's not pretend like it never worked.
I suggest to people to check the latest thinkings basketball podcast episode for better clarification on this , ben Taylor has some really interesting ideas about how the drop coverage is the right way to do it
I cant wait for JJ to coach him and Draymond I believe have very unique minds suited for coaching
It’s not always drop coverage it’s also they’re sagging so hard on draymond and looney that when they step out to set a screen they have too much ground to cover
I think the biggest reason to do something besides the drop is just to make Steph uncomfortable give him a split second of indecision. If he knows he's getting a good look every time he comes off the screen he's too comfortable and he'll knock em down. But if he gets blitzed sometimes he doesn't know what's going to happen and he'll just be that much out of his comfort zone
You forget the other important thing...coaching adjustments.
These guys been thru it ALL. They know what's up.
Kerr and Co. are every bit as important as the players....especially NOW.
Boston should honestly continue to play this defense. If a guy is going to make seven semi-contested 3 pointers, you shake his hand and accept the results. Because Golden State wants you to blitz Steph, he runs off ball, Dray attacks the paint and passes for open layups and wide open 3s.
The series is still tied 2-2. Yeah it’s not ideal but great players put coaches in conflict like this.
Yep
They are NOT contested, lol, Horford is literally at 17ft defending a screen
@@vVlsubroVv no one said they were contested
@@spamandjamjamandspam8669 “semi-contested”
@@vVlsubroVv there you go, now you got it.
To win the series is make SC30 in early foul trouble who even SC30 guarding should attack the basket, i remember Celtics in early 3rd quarter of Game 5 was already in bonus but not take that advantage.
Tyrese is next up for sure. His numbers were incredible those last 26 games with Indy. I think they still need one more guy or a solid coach to get to that next level because they ended the session 25-57 losing their last ten in a row. One of those games Tyrese scored 30 shooting 10-11 from the field. I like hield, brogdan and Tyrese but one more guy could make the pacers a playoff team. Maybe a kawhi, Durant or LBJ type. A forward who can create their own shot.
The Celtics playing defense on him the way the Trailblazers did in the conference finals against them
Keep tyrese on the pod
Listening to nba podcasts is: real nba analysis vs media guys debating top 5 rankings
RDC WORLD ALREADY TOLD Y'ALL HOW TO DEFEND STEPH
As soon as he wakes up!
Lol but remember THAT STILL DIDNT WORK!
"Man I been guarding this man since he woke up you can go ahead and bench me"
I’m a warriors fan, but I think what the Celtics are doing is smart. Giannis had great games against the Celtics too, but they still managed to pull the Bucks’ series out. I think the Celtics’ strategy of letting superstars do superstar things always looks dumb in the short term (when they get torched) but smart in the long term (when they win the series).
Whos 2nd on defence and by how much of a deferces?
Bad habits are hard to break. You see it in the big men on every team. Scared of giving up the drive and letting the 3 fly. Can’t do that with steph its not like we havent seen it before.
This is the same thing the Bucks did to KD last year. It wore him down after 7 games.
steph had much better stamina than kd tho
I wouldn’t blitz Steph - GS executes too well 4 on 3 and it gets others involved, but I would switch harder with the bigs playing up instead of dropping back
"Force Draymond to make decisions"
He's an elite decision maker on offense bro 😭
😂😂😂 like where tf did that take come from a high school radio station
yo can someone remind me how many all defensive teams jj redick has been on? how about how many championship teams? how about tyrese?
Tommy Alter smiling a lot since getting those veneers. 🤣
So they stopped the drop coverage last night and actually shut steph down but.... they couldn't stop anybody else.
C’s can let Steph go off and still win. Because if Klay and Poole are struggling then it’s fine. You can’t complete neutralize Steph, he’s always gonna impact. Neutralize his helpers and then you have a great game plan. This is a world class defense, I’m sure they know what they are doing. This is the finals after all.
How Golden State is on defence?
If the opposing star is getting off on how well they play you you need to adjust lmao
They've tried something else before,
Taking out steph & klay with smart by ankle tackle & flying kick to the throat.
Didn't work long enough.
It's funny hearing non defenders talk about defense
If Jimmer Fredette ended up being drafted by the team you were on would you have been able to help him?
Don't think there is much you can do against a guy who last year with no other reliable secondary option was seeing double and triple teams consistently, and still averaging 30 a night and leading the league in scoring. Now they have the best version of Wiggs and Poole and a healthy Klay, so with Draymond as the pick setter, I believe that you may slow Steph down a bit, but as the Celtics, can you afford to play 3v4 against that lineup with no guarantee of stopping Steph?
Shoutout Silent Trae Young in the hat
I think the Celtics should at least throw different looks. Playing drop is fine as a base strategy but if he’s cooking throw a trap or hard hedge and at least make him think about it and react differently
I wish my Pistons could have paired Tyrese with Cade.
If you look at every shot steph took, every shot was contested. And three of his shots was from 30+ feet. Wtf can do about that? Its not about drop coverage. He just amazing man
Why does it feel like everyone is trying to help Boston beat the Warriors?
Because there are alot of petty people out there who don't like seeing the same ppl have success over and over.
because people don’t like the warriors
And those ppl are haters. If the person that is having success done it the right way and worked hard then they should be celebrated
@@locateemilio3230 why is that
Them and everybody else watching this series.
I really appreciate how smart Tyrese is after watching this video. I would have traded Fox.
Tyrese Halliburton would have been a great Warrior. He was high up on their list in the Wiseman draft. He’s gonna be a great player
I think the Celtics are attacking the Warriors "Strength in Numbers" philosophy by forcing Curry to take over the game a la Jordan or Kobe. That sounds crazy, but the story of the Warriors this playoffs has always been getting that one superstar-level performance out of nowhere from a Poole or a Wiggins or a Looney or a GP2. Kerr has always recognized how important it is to get EVERYONE on offense to touch the ball so they feel involved, and how psychologically that translates to greater engagement on offense AND defense, so Udoka is like "OK, what if we let NO ONE other than Steph touch the ball?" It's easy to look at Steph's 43 and say the defense isn't working, but if at the beginning of the Finals the Celtics were told that drop coverage would result in a split of the first 4 games, I think the Celtics would take that.
Now I do think JJ & Tyrese have a point that it's dangerous to run that same coverage repeatedly, as the Warriors have too high an IQ to just to take the drop and exploit it repeatedly. If the drop is indeed making Steph's teammates turn cold, then the Celtics should want to force the ball out of Steph's hands just enough to force his teammates to make those cold, out-of-rhythm shots (just not so much that they start to feel involved). It's a difficult balancing act the Celtics are playing, but so far it seems more effective than anything the Warriors faced in the West.
In retrospect, as a warriors fan, I kinda love the dedication the Celtics had to the drop coverage on Stephen freaking Curry. Like, eventually somebody had to sit and think, "y'know, what happens if we just play drop? Like, is curry REALLY gonna go off that much that we can't keep the rest in check?" And the answer is a resounding YES lol
You play drop on Steph, he's getting damn near 40 a game and you're probably going home. Now people know that's probably not gonna work
The drop coverage has annoyed me because Boston has such an elite defense, and the Golden State players not named Curry have been so disappointing offensively, that it should just make sense for Horford/Williams to step up on Curry. Boston's defense can handle the tough task of rotating to whoever Curry kicks the ball out to.
EDIT: Should've waited the entire video, looks like Tyrese just said what I said, which makes my comment useless, lol.
100%. I don't understand why switching is suddenly not an option for the league's switchiest team? Sure, Steph will toast Al and Rob occasionally, but it's not even like anyone can argue drop coverage is working and indeed every time I've seen them forced into heavier switching, the Warriors offense stutters. The best way to beat switch heavy defenses is to isolate, but if you're forcing the Warriors into the thing they're least comfortable with on offense and the thing they've done almost the least in the league of any team, you've done your job on defense. I don't get it, Ime.
Part of the reason the other Warriors have been so ineffective is because the Celtics ARE playing drop coverage on Steph. They are taking away everything else. think about it, the Warriors are averaging 11 less points per game in this series than their other playoff series even though Steph is averaging almost 35 ppg.
Yeah but the argument from the celtics point of view is that when they blitz Curry he will make the short roll pass to Draymond. This means a celtics bigman is pulled out of the paint helping on Curry which opens up a million opportunities for Draymond. Because if one of the 3 other celtics doesn't help in the paint Draymond will have an easy layup himself or a lob to someone like Looney or Wiggins.
But if one of those three other celtics players helps in the paint Draymond can kick it out to a 3 point shooter like Klay or Poole. Then the Warriors can work their ballmovement magic like they have since 2015 or so and either drive of a closeout or take an open three. Which will get the whole team going.
People think draymond and the other warriors are underperforming in the finals but the only reason they are playing bad is because the celtics are playing drop coverage and are choosing to let steph beat them instead of the Warriors as a team. I agree that they should switch it up more to try to slow Curry down but in game four we saw what happens in a blitz in one of the final possessions. Curry got blitzed by Tatum i believe. He then made the pass to rolling Draymond who dumped the ball to Looney for an easy layup if I remember right.
you saw what happened when they tried to blitz Steph draymond got the ball and Looney got an easy look
Boston’s defense can only switch but so much, it’s the reason Steph keeps targeting horford and Williams. They’re either in drop coverage or getting blown by. And at some point, they’re gonna give up a 30 point game to Klay
The drop Coverage is to stop Draymond from facilitating to the other players. Their gambling on Steph beating them by himself to an extent. And for the most part it's been working. the Celtics problems comes from their inconsistent offense. Celtics should have won game 4, but the missed free throws and turnovers did them in.
why dont warriors run low post split as much, or even a inverted pnr with dray and steph? just anything other than steph 3 bombs, not sure if its sustainable
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The defense is not the issue, it has been working to limit the warriors as a while, the issue is late game boston goes for too many 3s and become stagnate
* stagnant
game 5 they finally blitzed them, but Wiggins, and Klay became very wide open. the odds of Curry having an off night is higher than 4 of GS havng an off night, and if Celtics were playing drop coverage when Curry was missing open looks like in game 5 then they most likely would've won that game
This strategy suggested by folks in this clip didn't work AT ALL. The Celtics listened to the media instead of sticking to their game plan and now have lost all control of the series. The drop coverage was keeping everyone at bay...the entire Warriors team ate last night just off of Steph's pull. Smh
I dont get why these dudes have this take. Literally no one on GS is playing well due to this defense
Bruh if they sell out on Steph the rest of the Warriors will GO OFF. Its very obvious so theses usually smart dudes are trippin hard
Watch tonight. Bos is going to cave into pressure and blitz Steph so GS is bout to win bout 30 especially at home where
I predict if Bos switches their coverage, Wiggins is gonna have another all time poster on Flop Master Smart
Currys range is essentially what's keeping gsw in this series 😂
Theyre pretty much letting Steph go off. It’s easier to handle vs Steph, Klay, and Poole going off at the same time.
Drop coverage just gives Steph enough space if your inside the 3 and he start pulling from 30+ that's a wide open shot
If they keep up the drop coverage a big game from Klay or Poole will become a blowout.
They been trying to figure this out for years. 🤣🤣🤣 Sign Dellavadova 😆😆
😂😂😂 even Steph figured that out eventually.
All of this talk about “how to stop Steph” just solidifies his greatness. He and the warriors have seen EVERY defense ever created and they have had success against all of them lol
Curry out there balling no matter what coverage you put on him only Curry can stop Curry
NO one is talking now about Marcus Smart and his 29 percent guarding the
Baby Face Assassin.
Celtics defensive gamble with drop coverage in steph would have been 3-1 now in favor of celtics if their defense is as good as their offense.
Afterall offense puts scores in the board, not defense.
Talk that talk!!! Drop coverage is dumb against Curry. I say the same thing either you blitz Curry & someone else beats you (seems ideal) or you let Curry get near 50 & hope no one else get rhythm cuz he’s taking all the shots.
The later sounds good but Wiggins is a No 1 overall and showing why even as a ROLE PLAYER. Poole he streaky so not really countin on him. And we all know Klay is Johnny Storm and can flame on after seeing one go in. Boston gotta make Steph play D which they have been trying but also they need to get Williams or Horford need to get his goofy looking tail back on the block and cook. JT & Brown will have better shots instead of iso ball that’s so prevalent today. 🙄
i dont get why you have to only do one or the other, how about focus on steph when hes hot and then focus less when hes not. It should really come down to the coach determining when they drop, trap or switch based on the flow of the game/matchups. Any decent player is going to start making easy reads if you throw the same look at him every time down the court. Curry has a tough time playmaking over the tall defenders that the celitcs have so the more you make him think the harder it will be for him.
The thing about Boston’s defense against stuff is that they fall asleep. Their defense looked great against KD and kyrie because they stay still after having to give the ball up. Steph keeps moving around the court to get the ball back, gotta credit his conditioning.
Looney is the unsung hero in this Finals..hes so important to warriors. Wiggins as well
Nick Cannon is a pretty good basketball analyst 👀
Embiid said it months ago that it would be stupid to play Drop coverage on Steph Curry
Embiid is in Cancun sippin Mai Thai's while Bos is in the finals
@@jdrmanmusiqking Ok? I don't know what that has to do with anything.
@@udithsethu552 ... Bruh do you really not see the relevance?
Embiid - "Playing drop coverage on steph is a Stupid!" *didnt even make the conference finals*
Celtics - "Playing Drop coverage on Steph is SMART" *Series Tied 2-2 against GS in the FINALS*
Dooooo.... I need to spell out the irony or is it apparent now...
@@jdrmanmusiqking Bro what kinda logic are you using? Boston are a way better team then Philly that's why they went to the finals.
@@udithsethu552 Youve gots to be trolling me
No human can be this stupid
Wiggins is becoming a superstar.
Celtics probably doing drop coverage to keep draymond out of the action. They’re probably okay with Steph dropping 40points. Celtics value what Draymond can do for the team higher than Steph.
Even if u blitz curry he still will get His at least 25 points he has proven that so many times just by moving off the ball and transition offense etc. . . But you will let klay poole draymond wiggs get off. Its hard to choose for the c's but proven they have solid defenders in all position they choose to drop and hope the primary defender on steph recovers fast. I hope they try to blitz steph all pick and roll. so draymond klay wiggs and poole cook the C'S early. And warriors win by 20 up.
I wouldn’t say value higher. It’s more so that Celtics is so stuck on their set defense and doesn’t like rotation. Blitzing Steph will allow the other stars to get hot. They rather one man beating them instead of the team. That’s how the maverick got flex up
No they value what Klay,green and the rest can do over what Steph can do by himself but I think they need to mix it up at start of quarter's get some doubt
Agreed but I’ll add that I think they also are using the drop to avoid their bigs being out on an island chasing Steph or Pool on a switch. Especially Williams. The few time he’s been out in space, he’s looked every bit like a man playing on one leg.
I respect Ime’s decision. There are no good options, only less bad ones. If he sticks to his guns it might work. We can’t act like teams haven’t been blitzing Steph for the last 8 years in route to all their playoff series wins. There isn’t some huge track record for it being the defensive answer.
Tyrese is such an awesome guest, blows my mind that he is still that young and seems already like such a humble smart cool dude. Definetly has a future in media, if he wants to...
Cavs blitzed curry every time in 15/16 with some very shaky defenders (k love, TT on perimeter, kyrie etc) and it seemed to work. Curry had a very average series. No reason why celtics can’t blitz and rotate especially when GS plays two bigs (although they may go away from that now as per last game).
It worked with Lebron freaking James leading in 5 categories 😂
dude played on one knee that series
2016 curry had the knee injury after chasing that loose ball. Hes healthy this season
maybe the goal is for steph to do a lot on offense, attack him on D. Then hope he gets tired by g5 onwards
The warriors have SC30 + 3 dudes can score 15-30 points + 3 dudes can score 10-15 points on different night and differents combination. How you can stop this even with a good defence??
The most scariest things is that the warriors didn't play yet any perfect game in this season playoffs.
Yah this is what i have notice the Warriors still not in perfect form and i em worried it either game 6 or if mecessary game7