Check out this lesson on Moeller Stroke basics from Jojo Mayer. Excerpted from his "Secret Weapons for the Modern Drummer" DVD. More information at HudsonMusic.com
This DVD has changed my life. I would be nowhere close my todays skills without Jojo Mayer showing me the Moeller technique. It made me able to execute my musical ideas and feeling free on the drumset.
just think of it like a whip, that'll help you. when you raise your arm, relax your wrist so that it bends. When you drop your arm back down to play the note, stay just as relaxed and the wrist will bend back and the stick will hit the drum like a whip. You definitely want to learn this because once you get more proficient it will make accents 10x easier
its a nice technique, but I haven't worked on it too much. The idea of using the whole arm makes sense from several points of view. First, it makes drumming more like dancing in that the movements come from your body core. This technique also helps you pull the sound out of the drum since your wrist needs to be more relaxed so that the stick can move. And lastly it reminds me of writing; most people with bad hand writing use their fingers, and not their arm. I'll be working on this tonight.
@karstd and accenting things using the whip-like motion to give it more power. To explain the first thing I said, if you hit the drum while on the up-stroke with this technique, you can do the faster one-handed stuff
The way he's showing it is slow, a way to begin practicing it. The end result is that your hand is able to move in groups of three way at speeds that are pretty much unachievable by any other means (Exempting perhaps a gravity roll, but that's basically useless for cymbals). This is a technique a lot of people are crazy about figuring out, actually. I don't think the end result is as useful as a lot of people seem to think, but it does let you do some really impressive stuff with one hand.
@Revolution15now It's The Moeller System... it's a technique designed to give you unbelievable power and whip action precision with very little effort.
I don't know how you got SCV into this discussion. But yes, I will talk about it. Yes SCV used moeller method back then but not much. Mainly they used velocity stroke (like all drumlines) so they could keep their cleanliness. If anything, SCV technique was velocity stroke infused with some moeller method to make it easier on the hands and chops, but they definitely did not just use moeller method.
@Lydirius if you are a true drummer, you would know that every drumline has a distinct sound. These techniques were obviously born before DCI. It may not see it as proper as the other styles, but it has gained respect. It's more of a jazz based style.
There is a Chapin video on CZcams where he says that he originally did not teach the full technical movement for Moeller, but then realized that he was “cheating his students,” so maybe that is why?
Jim's doing these movement as well.. it's not as clearly defined though.. but the overall principle and technique is there. keep in mind that Jojo is accentuating the movements for training purposes and for the viewer to be able to see and understand each stage of the technique.. when it's played in real time (for the most part - low, medium, high) it's not as clearly defined and each component of the moeller technique becomes more concealed. so in essence the same principle still applies with the way Jim plays the Moeller, it's just more refined than a version designed to highlight and explain the practice method..
It is for more than that... A lot more, but it is not explained at all in this video. You use this technice with a combination of motions using rebound on them to hit more notes in one downstroke. I mean, you also use the tap, and the upstroke for this. Go check out some videos. I'm not good enough explaining, besides I can't explain it all in a comment.
It's used to make fast accent patterns on one hand. A common way this is used is to do fast sixteenth notes on beats "one" and "ah", but this is a very bad explanation of the stroke. Check Bill Bachman or Dave Weckl's explanations . . .
Obviously you're not going to totally "flop your elbow out" like that in standard playing situations, the motion is exaggerated here to demonstrate the technique. It's useful for getting relaxed, full strokes at high tempos. Telling people to "just relax" when they play is "just plain stupid" because that advice is so broad it can't really be applied to specific problems.
@rinoRotti Maybe so, but my speed and dynamics are fine. I still say this technique is a waste of physical energy not to mention the stick height seems out of control. I've been in a snare line for a DCI drum corp as well as played nearly every style from contemporary christian to heavy metal behind a set. I'm NOT saying this technique won't help some people, all I'm saying (IMHO) it seems like there's a lot of energy being used that doesn't HAVE to used to achieve the same results.
I love Jojo’s playing but lessons like this one are damaging to young players. Just take a look at Vinnie Colaiuta’s video’s, he’s not whipping anything. Shoving your arm out and dangling the stick in the air is as stupid as it looks… It’s called “Throwing the Weight” not whipping. Hold the stick in French and turn it over to German. While holding the stick firmly in the first crack of your first finger and flat of the thumb, raise your wrist a few inches while relaxing your arm and make a strike. This makes an accent called a “Down Stroke”.
this "technique" is just plain stupid. why put that much effort into something that results in very little return? What's with the "flying" elbow? I'd like someone to explain the reasoning behind all that motion. If you want to flop your elbow out like you're trying to fly all night, be my guest. For me, my wrists and fingers do just fine thank you and have been for over 35 years. ATTN: new drummers! Learn your rudiments and just relax when you play. the rest will come!!
This DVD has changed my life.
I would be nowhere close my todays skills without Jojo Mayer showing me the Moeller technique.
It made me able to execute my musical ideas and feeling free on the drumset.
Timo Heinrich would you suggest the dvd for beginners like me? Or is it to complex?
The leather pants command respect
I used to not be able to pick up girls until I watched this video and learned Moeller stroke.
This is his own way. It has nothing to do with the Moeller technique. Check Jim Chapin for the real thing.
Get that DVD guyz, It's the best DVD you'll ever pay for as a drummer.
just think of it like a whip, that'll help you. when you raise your arm, relax your wrist so that it bends. When you drop your arm back down to play the note, stay just as relaxed and the wrist will bend back and the stick will hit the drum like a whip. You definitely want to learn this because once you get more proficient it will make accents 10x easier
its a nice technique, but I haven't worked on it too much. The idea of using the whole arm makes sense from several points of view. First, it makes drumming more like dancing in that the movements come from your body core. This technique also helps you pull the sound out of the drum since your wrist needs to be more relaxed so that the stick can move. And lastly it reminds me of writing; most people with bad hand writing use their fingers, and not their arm. I'll be working on this tonight.
i can never understand this technique from watching video tutorial. this is the few things I need a live teacher
playing drums like a badass
EXCELLENT stuff man!! I've been using this technique for a while, but I couldn't remember the name!
Muito bom essa técnica.
Dammit, now I also need to get hotpants for my drum heads.
Damm Jojo I smashed my TV at 1:15 when I was trying to strick practice pad. my stick flew from my hand.. Any ways Jojo is the master...
Thanks for the explaining NoiselsAlive , i do understand now :D
@karstd and accenting things using the whip-like motion to give it more power. To explain the first thing I said, if you hit the drum while on the up-stroke with this technique, you can do the faster one-handed stuff
great for accents. Also wonderful for playing a rock shuffle
Jojo one of the best of all Times imes
His technic is the best
moeller method will make your playing even more relaxed and without effort
The way he's showing it is slow, a way to begin practicing it. The end result is that your hand is able to move in groups of three way at speeds that are pretty much unachievable by any other means (Exempting perhaps a gravity roll, but that's basically useless for cymbals). This is a technique a lot of people are crazy about figuring out, actually. I don't think the end result is as useful as a lot of people seem to think, but it does let you do some really impressive stuff with one hand.
I'm not a drummer, but it seems like Mayer is a really good teacher
Is there a variation of this technique for left hand tradition grip?
Getting full, relaxed strokes at high tempos.
@Revolution15now It's The Moeller System... it's a technique designed to give you unbelievable power and whip action precision with very little effort.
Typically for accented triplets but you can use it for whatever you want, it's up to you to apply it musically.
@rinoRotti surprisingly, famu uses it as well
I don't know how you got SCV into this discussion. But yes, I will talk about it. Yes SCV used moeller method back then but not much. Mainly they used velocity stroke (like all drumlines) so they could keep their cleanliness. If anything, SCV technique was velocity stroke infused with some moeller method to make it easier on the hands and chops, but they definitely did not just use moeller method.
@Lydirius if you are a true drummer, you would know that every drumline has a distinct sound. These techniques were obviously born before DCI. It may not see it as proper as the other styles, but it has gained respect. It's more of a jazz based style.
@aakkoin aoh ok, i've got one too but it doesn't sound like this at all
What are the benefits from this technique?
what drum pad is he using?
Sabian quiet tone practice pad i believe.
for powerful sound or accented note
METAL!!!!
can you it without leather pants?
Why is the movment from the 3 o' clock to the 4 o' clock necessary?
Seems way exaggerated and not practical.
Watch the DVD
hmmmm, i wonder why you dont see these movements in the jim chapin video?
I have the same exactly question. Why so many drummers teach this movements about Moeller and Jim Chapin don't???
Jojo was personally taught by Jim so I wouldn’t disregard his methods
Jahanji We are just trying to know if he learned this movements with Jim, or not. JoJo Mayer is great, no doubt about it.
There is a Chapin video on CZcams where he says that he originally did not teach the full technical movement for Moeller, but then realized that he was “cheating his students,” so maybe that is why?
Jim's doing these movement as well.. it's not as clearly defined though.. but the overall principle and technique is there. keep in mind that Jojo is accentuating the movements for training purposes and for the viewer to be able to see and understand each stage of the technique.. when it's played in real time (for the most part - low, medium, high) it's not as clearly defined and each component of the moeller technique becomes more concealed. so in essence the same principle still applies with the way Jim plays the Moeller, it's just more refined than a version designed to highlight and explain the practice method..
Wot? Produced by Marco Tempest? Tsüri-Power :-)
Creating power behind the stroke with minimal effort while building muscle memory...
anyone can tell me name of that practice pad?
a little late but i believe its a sabian quiet tone practice pad. :D
James Garcia only 5 years late
rolls to name one
@Revolution15now playing fast without using alot of energy
@Revolution15now fast 1-handed playing... blast beats.. etc.
buy the dvd and you might find out
😊
Pretty sure SCV wasn't dirty from 1997 through 2004, with an exception of 2000 and 2001.
It is for more than that... A lot more, but it is not explained at all in this video. You use this technice with a combination of motions using rebound on them to hit more notes in one downstroke. I mean, you also use the tap, and the upstroke for this. Go check out some videos. I'm not good enough explaining, besides I can't explain it all in a comment.
good comment on this video. a lot of people are wondering about the point of it...
why though. i just learned how to hit a drum weird at lesser or greater tempos.
Those leather pants
or maybe the answer you seek is contained in this dvd...
the opening credits are a bit of an overkill
... that's what she said.
Looks like he's wearing bin bags on his trousers
@koala381 silenced practise pad
to play fast as fuck. but sacrificing cleanliness
It's used to make fast accent patterns on one hand. A common way this is used is to do fast sixteenth notes on beats "one" and "ah", but this is a very bad explanation of the stroke. Check Bill Bachman or Dave Weckl's explanations . . .
leather pants!!!!!!
Obviously you're not going to totally "flop your elbow out" like that in standard playing situations, the motion is exaggerated here to demonstrate the technique. It's useful for getting relaxed, full strokes at high tempos. Telling people to "just relax" when they play is "just plain stupid" because that advice is so broad it can't really be applied to specific problems.
Really? Watch any of Mayer's playing and you'll see it used almost all of the time.
If you don't know what it's for, why did you watch the video? -_-
haha XD
lizard ping
Casey neistat
um... or i can just hit the drum ._. idk im not much a drummer but i dont see the point like it takes more time
@rinoRotti Maybe so, but my speed and dynamics are fine. I still say this technique is a waste of physical energy not to mention the stick height seems out of control. I've been in a snare line for a DCI drum corp as well as played nearly every style from contemporary christian to heavy metal behind a set. I'm NOT saying this technique won't help some people, all I'm saying (IMHO) it seems like there's a lot of energy being used that doesn't HAVE to used to achieve the same results.
3 Strokes with a little effort...
Things only start to get useful when you learn Moeller taps and upstrokes... This video only teaches the downstroke.
u barely use it for accent and non accent.. it gives u all the dinamics on the drum.. and yea.. i believe it's a joke question :)
I don’t trust any guy that wears leather pants
I love Jojo’s playing but lessons like this one are damaging to young players. Just take a look at Vinnie Colaiuta’s video’s, he’s not whipping anything. Shoving your arm out and dangling the stick in the air is as stupid as it looks… It’s called “Throwing the Weight” not whipping. Hold the stick in French and turn it over to German. While holding the stick firmly in the first crack of your first finger and flat of the thumb, raise your wrist a few inches while relaxing your arm and make a strike. This makes an accent called a “Down Stroke”.
This akward moment when you see a really bad video from one of the most known drummers in the world..... :/
what the f**k is this for a snare drum ?
this "technique" is just plain stupid. why put that much effort into something that results in very little return? What's with the "flying" elbow? I'd like someone to explain the reasoning behind all that motion. If you want to flop your elbow out like you're trying to fly all night, be my guest. For me, my wrists and fingers do just fine thank you and have been for over 35 years. ATTN: new drummers! Learn your rudiments and just relax when you play. the rest will come!!