Treating Depression: Is there a placebo effect?
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- A Harvard scientist says the drugs used to treat depression are effective, but for many, it's not the active ingredient that's making people feel better. It's the placebo effect.
Depression is in the mind, body, and emotions. The thing is we weren't taught how to deal with the emotional roller coasters in life; not in school, not by our parents. We have not been given the tools to work thru life's adversities and pain. As a result, we develop disempowering beliefs about ourselves that take over and cause us to spiral into negativity and rumination. I know, I was there. I was depressed for many years before I found natural solutions to overcome depression.
I'm so proud of you for overcoming this obstacle! May I ask what natural solution did you find to overcome this?
I once was on an anti depressant. All it did was cause my heart to race ferociously. I began to learn how to think better about myself and things in general and never took a pill again. I believe very much in the power of thoughts.
Yep. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the best
Depends upon the intensity of your depression
We need to get rid of direct to consumer advertising. It is helping to convince people that they just need a pill to feel better.
seems he has been proved right just recently in a UK definitive study
Can you please link the study?
I think this deserve more research
Interviewer, at about 5:30: “Irving Kirsch says that antidepressants are no better than placebo for the vast majority of people with depression. The *vast majority* of people with depression. Do you agree with that?”
Dr. Michael Thace, nodding his head up and down enthusiastically, “No, no I don’t.”
The body language says it all. Thace can’t even disagree.
at the excat time of reading your comment the video played the same clip. and i dont remember ever seeing anyone nod their while saying no. lol
I noticed that too
Antidepressants work for some people and don’t work for some people. I was on them and they were neutral for me, my dad is on them and they work great for him, but last October we lost my brother to suicide and he was on a pill to help stop smoking that caused depression, so I honestly say grab a joint and roll up boys. RIP Dylan ❤️
The evidence very strongly suggests that, in fact, antidepressants don’t work. The placebo effect works. So while those who take them are not getting any benefit from the actual chemicals in the drugs, they ARE getting potentially fatal side effects, as you’ve so painfully seen for yourself.
Watched this for psychology class work this was a great video and shows how America has different beliefs for their citizens compared to Britian...
That Brit was a better advocate for his people than all the Americans who think they’re helping put together.
SSRI's may not treat depression effectively, but they most certainly are not placebos. They are very good at giving patients permanent psychotic symptoms which leads to patients needing much more medication so it makes a lot of money for dr's and pharmaceutical companies. We have no clue what they do it's all assumption.
image that, a dr who is a consultant to pharmaceutical companies thinks they work :p
Yes, the effect of the band Placebo on Depression. It works. Thank you.
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Yes, there is. The pills are barely effective. Depression and anxiety is social and about mental conflicts. Ibs, fibromyalgia, allergy all have mental components. Hat doctor forgot to mention the drugs also lose effectiveness over time.
Having taken every SSRI but Zoloft and Paxil, I can attest to the fact that these drugs--for some people--are completely useless. And I WANTED them to work badly. I started at 16 and took various psych meds until I was 26; the only noticeable effects were SIDE EFFECTS like severe weight gain, drowsiness and withdrawals upon quitting.
The only drugs that have helped my depression/anxiety are opiates and stimulants, which come with risks of their own. But at least they work.
Before you start taking any antidepressants, do some research. I can tell you that the side effects, withdrawal symptoms, and their addictive nature are harmful. But, do the research yourself and come to your own conclusions. I beat depression naturally, and am sharing the techniques that worked for me in my videos. Check out my channel!
It is not just antidepressants you are subscribed to. They add 2 - 3 other drugs to go with the antidepressants.
One thing that strikes me, is that traditional societies, have far fewer mental illnesses,alcohol and drug addiction, than modern civilization. This is almost always true.
Modern western culture is vary fast paced, and there's the breakup of the family, s.c once thec1960s.
I wonder what his stance is on Human resilience? I had a kidney disease that was pretty painful, and over time I honestly just learned to live with it and thought it was fine (because I was desensitized), until the pain became worse because the issue wasn't actually taken care of. That pain was a signal from my body that I needed treatment. You can eventually lie to yourself about something in your body, but that's not the same as making it better.
The right kind of therapy gives you a tool box of how take care of yourself without harmful interventions or harmful intrusions, such as drugs. You have more autonomy, self-knowledge, more understanding of what makes you depressed and what lifts your spirits, and you have a supportive coach to help you make whatever life changes are necessary.
It breaks my heart that it is now so hard to find people to do the kind of therapy I used to do. The insurance companies in league with Big Pharma have practically destroyed the psychotherapeutic professions. Those skills will have to some day be recovered, just as we are recovering some of the know-how of herbal healing.
I would like to hear more about this. Are there any books or articles you could recommend that corroborate this?
Ad populum fallacy is the one which a human should always be careful of. Not because 99% of people believe in something means is necessarily true, truth is independent of amount of people believe in it. I ve learnd that already.
5:52 he lies and very badly I might add. Shaking his head yes and saying no. I'll take your body language as your honest opinion over what you say any day.
I noticed the same thing!
Hahaha I realized that too it's sooo obvious
He must get some type of incentive
Huh, so this is what my parents have been giving me for a year...
BIG PHARMA wants EVERYBODY ON DRUGS!!🥺
I HAVE BEEN DEPRESSED FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AND BEEN TAKING VARIOUS ANTI-DEPRESSANTS BUT NONE OF THEM WORKED EVEN NOT EVEN RECEIVING THE PLACEBO EFFECT.
ANYONE THERE TO HELP ME?????
Alcohol
I believe this is true. I was depressed and I forced myself out of it with lots of positive thinking.
It sounds like you just had a bad day
You CANNOT will yourself out of REAL depression
@@violetl.4615 yes, you can.
@@Incognition37 nope, that's called having a bad day 🤷♀️
It's all about the money, sadly.
I wonder how much these companies make on selling their pills.
The drugs work short term, until they don't, and you need higher doses to get the same effect. It's like taking alcohol to feel better. In the long term nobody is immune to the horrible side effects. But you can't just quit cold turkey because of the withdrawal symptoms.
You got that right! Benzos?
The results of his findings reinforce what Dr. John E. Sarno has found in his work. Anyone who finds this information fascinating should read The Mindbody Prescription.
Very interesting how Britian actually wants to help people but America just wants to make money 😂
Great video, very informative.
Where to buy placebo dr.
My favorite part starts at 9:29, "We, we, we...." Yeah, think long and hard and be careful how you're gonna manipulate this one FDA. Anyone who studies statistics knows what these studies really mean.
Is he a real researcher or a placebo? How do we know a scientist? Maybe we are being studied.
Thanks Marit good video you showed us.
some people hang on someone or something so if u truely believe is something that will make you better no matter what that defines , then your day is going strong, the human brain is powerful we the people to be considered the smartest in the world, stil yet we dont understand how it works end of story
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Thats why therapy is a better option
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CBT does indeed work, and I would say that in some cases TMS or tDCS can be utilized.
This is very interesting considering a lot of people with depression have a chemical imbalance. So how does the placebo work?
There's very little evidence for the "chemical imbalance" theory of depression.
You think it'll get better so your head produces different hormons than before - and you heal yourself. That's all.
i take thyroid pill rhat is suppose to make me feel mpre awake but it didnt. also my mom has ringing in her head and goes manic and tried taking just half the pill but doesnt work.
Read the book "The Iodine Crisis" by Lynne Farrow.
everything in your body is in your head. you got high blood pressure? think your way out of it, because it originates in the brain too, like depression. doesnt work.
there is no placebo effect of Dollars for the Pharm industry
IS THE SSRI KNOWN AS SERTRALINE AN ACTUAL PLACEBO EFFECT
was wondering the same thing
He is not correct. He assumes that a particular type of depression, Mild depression, which studies show that antidepressants are noneffective. His knee surgery study is made up. And it's a fact that clinical depression and anxiety are well managed with antidepressants. The main issue of from two extremes, doctors who over perscribed and are under educated on antidepressants and the other extreme being some people need a specific treatment for them and not all meds work for all patients. Per Chat GPT, he never turned in a study report on his claims and there is no information outside his claim. Sounds like he is making most of this stuff up.
Irving Kirsch. 11 years ago. Still nothing changes. Psychiatrists just want you to stay on drugs for the rest of your life. No warning about side effects. No option to taper slowly. Just take your drugs forever.
Does anyone know what year he published the studies originally?
1998 was the first. There have been a number more published since then...some Kirsch co-authored, some not.
One problem is that whether it's a placebo effect or the drug, people are being helped, and if you take away the pills, you take away that help. Even if it's only 14% of those who are moderately depressed, that's a lot of people. So they could be helped by a placebo, but only if they didn't know it was a placebo, and that's unethical and illegal. If you take away the drugs, what do you replace them with that is as effective (even if it's a placebo effect)?
Very good video.
So true!
right on! Couldn't agree with you more.
with all these psycological things that do exist, just see how religion can really fuck things up by providing a false worldview that messes things up when the going gets tough
religion is a placebo, one of the oldest, and has side effect of making you gullible.
Is Modafinil also a Placebo...??
Oh, I hope someone answers. Modafanil is supposed to wake me up from Idiopathic Hypersomnia. On bad day, with swollen glands, body aches,low fever.. well pill made no effect.🛌🏼🛌🏼🛌🏼🛌🏼🛌🏼
This is a study about the effects of placebos vs serotonin drugs,. But that's only one small aspect of the story. There are other neurotransmitters, like dopamine and norepinepherine and others as well.
Then there's the social aspects of mental illness as well. Bad family life, poverty, raceism. Physical problems and and bad diet. And a mixture of all of the above. So this doesn't tell you much information. There's nothing here.
And, like many of the other posters say, the hidden agenda of making money.
everyone is crazy!!
Use to take antidepressents years ago. Quit turkey now I'm having more probs then before maybe from the cold turkey. My sa has sky rocketed now.
the second guy who spoke, the one who consulted with the drug companies, was full of shit!! of course he is gonna say the drugs work, the guy probably has money invested in the companies that make them. ppl should just smoke. no side effects like the damn pills. so many commercials nowaday about " if you took such and such pill and are now suffering from *long list of possible ailments* call our law firm u may be entitled to a settlement. we just need to stop making pills altogether
speaking as someone with life long clinical major blah blah..i wish to God a sugar pill would work for me.
Clinical insignificant... Well said sir...
Thanks, Leonardowo1.
the smug faces of the two who claim the detractors are somehow wrong is hilarious and no of the drug companies were willing to go on camera. no surprise there!
Antidepressants does not work. I am a consumer that has been taking these drugs over years.
they work the way the pharm business and eugenicist want them to work.. you take people dealing appropriately with normal setbacks that one might normally become depressed over, instead of dealing with the issues effectively with CBT, exercise or diet... we give you a pill that causes breast development in men, causes sexual dysfunction and creates a permanent neurotransmitter production imbalance.... which causes the subject to lash out at others or end there own life or at very least leaves them in the the criminal mental health system for life...
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An important video that everyone should see with less than 100k views? Never thought i'd see that! Better get back to watching top 10 fail and prank videos...
That FDA guy what a joke. "The chance of getting a positive finding is very very low if there isnt an effect" SERIOUSLY lol, it is not a secret that pharma science is bought and paid for. He knows it, he can barely get his words out stuttering through that statement.
What if i told you that i pulled through and never experienced depression again after using placebo techniques that i developed myself without taking some stupid sugar pill or '' Real '' medicine.
congratulations - techniques and strategies to manage and deal with mood disorders are not "placebo" - and all therapists recognize the benefit and importance of changing behaviors, beliefs, and life styles to help anxiety and depression
you arent cliniclly depressed, youre lucky. other people cannot do that.
depression is real hes insulting us people who suffer with depression
Diane Alexander By doing science?
He's not saying depression isn't real, he's saying that the drugs don't actually have a benefit beyond their placebo effect. I've take all the medications except for Nardil and none of them helped my depression so take that for what it's worth
Get out of the house. Go to the park. Talk to somebody, even if it’s simple hello. Give a dollar to a homeless man. God bless 🍒
Just viewing this broadcast in early 2018. Of course, this conclusion is wrong and misleading. I would like to see the actual research, especially including for how long studies were done comparing placebo and antidepressants. So many factors involved. Placebos are known to have a strong effect early on, but if you follow patients past 2 months, placebo effect stops working and antidepressant or anti-anxiety drug continues to have benefit, because they are physiologically active, not sugar pills. Also, the structure of research, with depressed patients being seen frequently, having support and therapy, has also been shown to have a strong benefit. Are patients in the placebo arm also being seen and supported during the study? If so, then it isn't really placebo.
If BOTH cohorts get same therapy,then yes it is a good study for research
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