The Best Mill Tip You Will Ever Get --WATCH THIS ENTIRE VIDEO--
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- I have shared hundreds of insider tips to help make your work easier and better, but this one is pure gold. The entire video incrementally discloses the full scope of the tip. Watch this one all the way through so you don't miss any part of the process. Thanks and stay well.
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Joe please write a book on your tips and tricks
I would buy it
I would also buy.
Excellent idea!
Great idea
@@jody6121 X2!
so I'm in my sixties and decided to get a lathe and mill. If I had my days again I would have started there. It's guys like you that allowed me to learn these skills and I'm very grateful. Your skill level is amazing and such a good teacher.
I started 3 years ago & I’m 63. Tips like these have really made the learning curve less steep🤓
I've done this technique for 30 years . Thanks for showing people that common sense still works .
Excellent!
I knew where you were going when you gripped it on tall parallels. You got me unawares when you put the single short parallel in. But it's simplicity is the key to the elegance. I'm telling you, man. You have the ability to make the complex understandable, and simple. WELL DONE!
Thank you.
That dead blow mallet you used to tap the part looks like a Snap-On with the interchangeable heads. I have one and I love it!!!!!
I almost tapped myself in the forehead with it after watching this!!! I can’t believe I didn’t think of this system!!! Wait a minute, yes I can. This is why I subscribed years ago, you are by FAR the best teacher I have ever had!!!!!
Thanks Joe!!! You never fail to “unloosen” my mind from the box!!!!
Love it.
Cheers 🍻 from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 eh? 😆
My copper wire just called the Russian mafia. They do not appreciate such productivity improvements, Soviet style was slower, and better for the labor force. Seriously, Joe you are some treasure chest of tricks!
Don't you guy's just love this guy's ways!! I've watched this one a hundred times Joe,, one of my favorites!
Superb. The ‘universal’ use of a climb cut is terrific - so simple and so effective. I am not a machinist, and my wife thinks I’m crazy to watch these videos. She may be right, but I really enjoy understanding how things are made. Thank you!
Make her something awesome and she'll change her mind.
You're right, "why didn't I think of that." I think you're selling yourself short being happy if this is the only thing we take from your videos as a palm-to-the-forehead foundational technique, but this is definitely one of them. I got more than one pttf ideas: 1) grabbing the material shallow distorts accuracy less, 2) creating the flats & squares right up front, 3) using the one Parallel off the one cut parallel & working from there, 4) reducing burrs by cutting inwards. Last, but not least, "real shops use air." I've been cautioned several times to not use air. I do so, but I've always felt guilty, that using air would force debris into the nooks of my machinery. I've only assuaged my guilt by keeping your videos in the back of my head, knowing you do it. "Time is money," & can't tell you how much money I've wasted on the dumbest of cuts. Watching your videos is like putting money in the bank.
Joe, you've done it again! Thanks from another Aussie. I don't have any formal training as a machinist, but who needs it when people like you share their insights and experience!
Having never touched a milling machine or a lathe for that matter, till I bought them, I have learned on my own for several years...
... Then..
Joe P comes along... I think I learn more here then anywhere else...
At 66, I enjoy these videos very much...
Thanks....
O yes, same here. And just because online teachers like Joe, old Tony, Adam, we dare to do things we never would. Tis is a longtime dream comes true. Professionally I was a printer, my hobby is woodworking, now I'm retired. In the woodworking I did miss machining metal so I purchased a used lathe and milling machine. O boy, what is the learning curve steep. Thanks to CZcams it now feels ok, I'm confident I'm doing fine.
Keep it coming 👏👏👏👏👏
🇧🇪 Belgium🇧🇪
Please don’t ever stop making YTs. Thank you for so willingly openly sharing your genius.
Thank you, I will
This is how I’ve squared up blocks for 25 years but you are the first I’ve seen do it on CZcams. You are the man.
Its quick if you have the room for a full profile, but it does give solid reference surfaces.
I was a toolmaker for 45 yrs before I retired. I never saw this method until now. Wish I had, it does look foolproof. Great Video!!
You must of been bloody useless then.
Glad you enjoyed it
You are the absolute best teacher....I would say you missed your calling....but obviously you are teaching...
Me no less....how do I say thanks.
I appreciate the tip. I've been doing it the "old" way for 50 years. I doubt I'll change at this point. Yes it is more efficient without a doubt.
Hell yeah that's the way it's done. I'm gonna use this whenever applicable.
Not only is this a much faster method, I'm certain the part you squared will be more accurately done than the other methods using wire, balls, squares, etc. It would be interesting if you put this piece on your surface plate so we can see just how parallel the sides are. I've seen other presenters struggle to get a 3 inch square block of aluminum true to within .002". Thanks for sharing your expertise, acquired via years of experience.
Glad to show them. No point in taking them with me.
I don't want this thing off camera for a second. Nobody's gonna be able to complain about nothing! Someone still will find something to complain about. Great information as always. Thanks Joe.
You never know, some project manager, 'know it all' may find a reason.
I am not a machinist, just a hobbyist, but I can appreciate what your are saying. Thanks!
I've been machining for over 20 years and I find your videos very interesting. And all of them are right on and some great tricks that I wouldn't have known unless I would have watched your video. I tell new machinists all the time to watch your videos very informative. Great job!!
Thank you very much. I appreciate the support.
I have a very poor mill called a mill drill and I tried this and had the best results of anything I’ve tried. Thanks for the demonstration and tip.
Great job!
There are thousands of machining videos out there and you still upload new methods. This was a good one.
Apprentice machinist... I just found this.... excuse the language but FAAAAAAAARKING hell what a TIP!
I hope you'll look over the channel and pickup a few more things you like. Be sure to hit that subscribe button and tell your coworkers. I saw you are into knives. Me too...Check these out.
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I had a boss that wanted me to square up 3k parts doing the 1 side at a time method,totally stupid.I wrote a simple cnc program running it the way you described.I did this a few years ago and he thought I was a genius lol.It's really the best way to do it.
As soon as I saw you use the tall parallels, I could tell what you were going to do. Like, DUH!
BUT it had never occurred to me in what, 40 years! Never too late to learn new tricks.
Love experienced people sharing what they know in a concise yet simple approach. Enjoy your channel for providing not only the “How” but, the “Why”!
Knowing the why, makes the how sink in much deeper.
This is pure gold. Doubling my Patreon monthly right now. The amount of time saved this equates to, over a lifetime at the mill is worth it.
Thank you.
you mean i sat through a "that lazy machinist" video only last night pulling my hair out at how long it took him to explain squaring a block and then you drop this today ! that is awesome, i can now forget all that other long winded stuff and store this ! cheers Joe..
Good on you Joe. I think of all the machinist channels on CZcams i have had more revelations about the smart way to do things from you than from anyone else. In fact i know that is the case... Great teacher, and great machinist which helps. Thanks for the videos
Awesome, thank you!
I second that.
I agree too... Joe has more gaming changing tips per minute of video than anyone else, and gets to the point faster in the process 😎
I normally avoid videos with click-bait type titles, but I gave this one a chance because Joe is pretty good and it was worth it. Very nice tip
Fantastic! Don't understand why nobody else uses this technique. It's so simple and efficient.
you clever bastard:) this channel is so underrated!!
I'm a retired machinist and yet I learned a lot from you, thanks
Glad to hear it
As soon as I saw that haircut I knew this video would be a winner! Thanks for the great tips!
This video is much more fun to watch after two Old Fashioneds. COVID isolation FTW! 🤣🤣🤣
Old timer taught me that over 40 years ago. Works great and saves a ton of time.
Joe used this technique to machine thousands of plastic parts to square as the axis of the machine defines the squareness and you can not tap down so easy with plastic, simple answer define XYZ without re clamping and totally agree without the climb cut your in the world of burrs! Various machine shops have shown me to dubious mill and vice combinations with cutters I would have junked but you still end up with definitively square finished components and your own square can stay out of harms way locked in your own box.
Superb filming and comments passing on gold dust technique.
The very same way my uncle showed me when i was a youngster. Im glad someone else besides me does it this way i havent met another machinist that does it this way . geat video Joe
honestly with most prints calling a chamfer you rarely need to do this.
This video should be displayed in universities regarding near-net-shape design. The back jaw of the vise and a hard stop can make this as repeatable as you would ever need for a repeatable cast part.
Joe, I've.been watching your channel on and off since when you only had a few subs :) I have yet to watch one of your videos and NOT come away learning something that makes what I do as a hobby better or easier!!! Thank you so much for the time you spend making the vids - I know how hard it can be so keep up the great work mate :)
Thanks for hanging in for so long. Its much appreciated.
Lol I don't know why I've never done this when I saw you set the part in the vise I knew exactly what you were gonna do yet I've never thought to do it that way great tip I will try this this evening 👍👍👍
Joe I've had my lathe now for about 6 years , and I'm the one that is always telling you that I wish I had teachers like you years ago. You make learning very easy to understand and follow. I have just purchased my first milling machine to go along with my lathe and now I'm going back and watching all your milling machines videos on milling. Thanks again for all the information you put out for others to learn by.
Thanks for the comment.
As soon as I saw you run the perimeter I figured out what you were up to. Excellent time saver! Thanks for sharing.
Hi Joe, I saw this video some time ago and went back to watch it again today as I needed to square up a block of steel for a part. It worked perfectly. I always try to give credit where it is due. I will reference this video in the next video I publish, which will show the squaring up process. Thanks again for this info and all of the other tips you have spent the time making videos for.
Glad it helped
Ya got me, Joe! Over 30 years and I've been using wires and BBs all this time. This is a keeper, buddy.
Glad you didn't have to unloosen anything this trip.... Woot!
Dean
Just like to say as a recently retired Toolroom machinist [manual & CNC] I have a great respect for Joe Pie, excellent video as always!
Thanks 👍
I bought one of those Scotch Brite deburring wheels you recommended. Yep, life changing. Thanks!
Yup, they are absolutely fantastic.
Joe, you're an inspiration.
You and a number of others had inspired me to get a little lathe (In my apartment mind you!)
And since the start of the pandemic, i've been honing my skills in machining!
I've now been saving up for a benchtop milling machine, and I CAN NOT WAIT to get cutting!
Cheers.
Outstanding. Be safe.
Great tip but I would add that this technique is only as good as how well you've trammed your machine's head. Don't forget that critical part!
Yes, but you will get a perfectly square part even if the vise isn't indicated true.
@@joepie221
He didn't say vice, he said the head of the machine, and it is critical
Always learn a lot from your videos. In plant maintenance we rarely require such precision but increasing precision will increase life of parts so this knowledge is very valuable to me and my crew.
This so so smart!
I'm a beginner at CNC operating (milling), and the senior collegue thaught me wrong all the time (the way you showed ar the start of the video)!
I always knew something was wrong the we used to square parts at the start of machining, they usually never were perfectly square and parallel.
THANK YOU!
You have to know how to do it the slow way before you can do it the fast way.
Old school is the best school.
Joe,
I have learned a great deal from your videos. Thanks much for your knowledge and enthusiasm.
Glad to help.
Thank you Joe! I'll be using this method from now on.
Been milling for the past year on a Clausing and man I feel good watching your tips and knowing I've been doing pretty good. THANKS ALOT BUD
Love the straight forward analytic approach on all of your work Joe.
id say this is once again a great learning curve. what stood out is the sequence of cutting starting centres and move outward. if one has a mill but dont use it often id guess it helps for beginners and inbetweeners like me.will surely try it thanx. got nothing to loose when trying it
Its always good to have options and understand them.
Nice to see someone who actually knows what there talking about, one of about 10% on you tube
I have used the clime cut for 30 years and it has always produced superior results. Thank you Joe.
This is stupid smart. It's genius in how simple and obvious it is once you know about it. Thanks for sharing!!
Thanks for the comment.
great tips like always thanks from all us little guys
I've been doing it this way for my whole career. Except I try to finish the profile and only leave facing for the bottom. But it's really fun to watch someone do it the old school way, cut flip,cut flip ..... . And crap it's not square, start over!
I've been self taught and I just ended up doing this way because I didn't know "better". I didn't realize people actually mount the block multiple times. Sounds like a nightmare! The less I have to fiddle with the vise, the more I can trust the machine to keep everything straight.
Joe, I watch a lot of machining videos and yours are definitely the most informative. T O T may be funnier, but yours are pure gold.
Thanks Joe, just tried this technique.... worked an absolute treat.
30 years a mold maker and never saw anybody do this .If I only knew!
Great tips and techniques
As soon as you started in, I knew what you were going to do but had never though to do it that way before. "Palm to the forehead", as you put it. Thank you!
your work is incredible, being a retired contractor wanting to learn machine work,you arethe MAN ,keep it up!!!
Thanks 👍
Brilliant technique Joe. Thanks so much for sharing!
Joe, just tried this to square up some stock, why on earth didn't you show me this earlier! :-) Really enjoying the videos and your wisdom, keep up the great work. (Craig, Scotland)
You my friend...are just as if not MORE inspirational to watch than even the professional " motivational speakers" and thats not even the goal of what you teach...! I can say with rock solid absolute certainty that you are as "real" as it gets. The bar stops dead in its tracks with you. Bingo Game Over You Win. Thank You for all that you are. Nuff said.
Thank you for the compliment. This trade has been my life and my passion. I'm happy to share many things I have learned the hard way.
I have watched and learned so much from your videos I am self taught hobby machinist wannabe whatever you explain things in every day language that I can understand I still have a LOT to learn but I enjoy doing this so much I just have a mini mill/drill and a 7x14 mini lathe. I didn't realize what machining was when I was younger sure wish I had. Thank you so much for your videos.
Thanks for the comment. Its feedback like this that fuels the fire. I'm glad my material is helpful.
All your vidéos are encyclopédia for a starter in fine mecanic on machine, thank you so much for all I have learn with you dear professor.👍😉
Genius.
Never to old to learn.(I'm 60 y and machinist for 4y)
Keep it comming 👍👍👍👍👍
Fantastic video! I'm a newbie hobbyist and recently purchased my first full-size mill (Bridgeport 2J 2Hp) and was struggling to square up stock...this made all the difference!
This is a very helpful approach. Not possible 100% of the time, but good to know.
Excellent technique!! Thanks Joe
Amazing! Its so obvious when you explain it! Now i just need a mill.
That's another real valuable lesson! Makes perfect sense. I had noticed on my last mill project the climb mill looked and felt better on the edge cuts. Thx Joe
Joe, you are a golden man for sharing all this content! Thanks to you, Mr. Pete, John Saunders, Stefan, Titan and others I now have a VMC.
I now have a vmc? I’m guessing the top one?
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@@trialnterror ha ha ha, good one! The first guess was spot on. HAAS SMM :)
take those manual skills over there and you'll be glad you have that experience.
@@joepie221 Absolutely! CNC is nothing if basic knowledge is absent.
Great new to machinist me and my 15 year old learning alot
Another fantastic demonstration Joe, thanks for sharing buddy! 🤙👌
Hey Ray, Thanks for stopping by. Stay well and well away from the fires.
Thanks Joe, I use this method all the time. I calculate my step over and finish the 4 sides while I am already there.Then deck off the back. 2 ops and done.
Best method. Nice finishes too.
I appreciate those who question the established norm in an effort to make improvements. Your approach is very logical and well explained. Great video!
I appreciate that! I've always been that "what if" guy.
Well that was a basic 7th grade metal shop tip.
I was shown that over 40 years ago. Maybe I got lucky.
Way faster and better way...
Make dovetail jaws for the vice, cut dovetails in the block on two parallel sides. Clamp the block in the dovetails and make the part. Flip part, and shave off the back side. Part is 100% finished.
You can cut a block out, all out of square but as soon as you have two dovetails cut...nothing else matters.
I would be appalled if we hired the commenters praising this “breakthrough’” for more than entry level operator $. I assumed every shop in the world did this every day and posting a how to would get ridicule. Get a 5 axis and and this seems like 1940’s tips and tricks. We are not unique, just keeping up. Next lesson: the miracle of using 45 deg drill mills to deburr parts in machine…..doesn’t everyone do it?
The problem that arises if it's less than a stellar machine is that you're mirroring the squareness of your mill's ways and the tram of the bit. This will absolutely guarantee opposite faces are dead on parallel. But worn ways will hurt squareness and there's no error correction. The traditional method eliminates errors of orthogonality in the axis of the ways of and being slightly off tram. You are using the ways and the tram of the bit as a master reference. With a good machine, that's perfectly fine because the accuracy will approach that of a master square. Be cautious and check important features on a surface plate.
Dude, yes. I tried this method and my machine is just too worn out for it to work for me. When I went to check square and flatness it was not the same as doing it the traditional way.
You're right...I never thought of this approach. Thanks for the information.
Great video! THANKS JOE!
I watched it two times and am adding it to my CZcams saved file for future reference. I have a very small home shop and made my living, before retiring, in industrial Electronics. So this info really makes milling more enjoyable as I am definitely a novice.
I hate to bust your bubble but if you use a planer gauge, a roll pin and a tenth dial indicator, your going to find out that the finished block will indeed be all over the place out of square . I made parts for Kodak Cameras that had to be dead nuts square and to do that we ONLY use fly cutters, not end mills . First off you got to tram in the head of the mill dead nuts all the way around then you go at it the way you first described with a roll pin, and you fly cut each side and check with the planner gauge, indicator & roll pin on each side and from that you know witch side is out . Maybe only .0001out on only 1 side but the indicator will find it and show it and you re cut just that side with the fly cutter just enough to clean it up on just that 1 side.
I gotta stop watching your videos, I've given myself a concussion from slappin my forehead.
Boy did I struggle the old way. I'm going to try this. Thank You!!
Just what the Dr ordered. I'm about to make some tool holders for larger tools on my lathe and was thinking of milling surface by surface using a rod or ball to keep the part true on the fixed jaw, but this makes much more sense to do.
I guess if it is a slightly longer part, you could hang it a bit over one end and face that completely off and then when you flip and turn it to do the opposite side, you can mill to length in the one process.
Now I can stop wasting lollipops. Cheers Joe.
A big tip, check that your parallel is actually in good shape. A crappy parallel is going to ruin your day and you will never get the sides square.
yes, and for that you have to measure....
In other words check to see if your parallel is parallel?
Just got my first small mill last week and I have been trying to get this right.. I am now going to go and try this idea so thanks for posting
Good luck!
So I managed to get an hour in the shop today to try this way of doing this way of squaring up and it turned out amazing..
Awesome...I never thought about squaring up a block this way.
Thanks Joe!
How do I give multiple thumbs up??? Thanks Joe!
I'll gladly add my thumb to yours. 50-odd years machining then I see this!
Does anyone else get the urge to answer his questions aloud with a firm YESSIR!!! ….and address him as Sarge?
I'll take that as a compliment. Now drop and give me 20.
Joe thanks a million for your videos, as a woodworker with an engineering shop, this is great education.
Great tip and it’s always nice to have an alternative method. I will however say this one wins versus using the other method for squaring a block we all learned years ago. You da Man Joe! Keep those great tips coming.