Blackjack Betting Challenge: Card Counting vs Reverse Martingale
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2023
- Blackjack Card Counting Challenge is BACK! This time our players will each implement different Betting Strategies. We have 2 Card Counters vs 1 Reverse Martingale Gambler. Follow along as we provide the Running Count at the beginning of each round so you can see how it affects the different betting strategies & test your own Card Counting skills.
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I enjoyed watching y’all play a lot, especially with the commentary. Please consider doing this more!
Agree 👍
I agree. We can also practice keeping the running count with these kinds of videos.
I think these types of videos are really helpful, watching full games with running count marked. Really helps the engagement of the video, makes it fun to pause the video and check the count along.
I like how the losing system actually works in a simulation of play, while in actual play the martingale would have been a terrible loss. Great video, except for the splitting tens 4 times, I could not see what the last card was to update my running count.
At the time the count was around a true 5, despite making it terribly obvious that you are counting, splitting 10s is the correct call.
Ehh. Martingale does work. Just casino or total cash on hand limits the player. So you’ll see it work plenty. Just eventually the luck runs out and the odds favor the casino.
@@matthewalle2 The only way martingale works is, if you have infinite cash reserves, but even then its ridiculous, because what good is winning 1 dollar when you have infinite cash
@@MegaYouNiko isn’t that what I said? Cash and casino limits. Other wise it would work perfect lol
@@matthewalle2 then you didn't read the second half of my reply lol
Keep making these videos!!!!!
Its great practice and its really fun to keep the count and basically backcount!
First time today i was able to follow a full show while keeping the count at all times although i spent 0 seconds thinking on playing decisions but still progress.
This is incredibly helpful. I started by dealing out a deck of cards knowing I should and with a count of 0, then I started dealing them out two at a time to count, but then I needed to increase the difficulty. This gives the perfect practice because I can practice keeping the count while also trying to implement proper strategy. Very encouraging
more of these videos! great practice and fun to watch
There were 49 cards in the discard tray plus 8 on the table when Loudon Ofton surrendered 8,8 vs 10. He was correct, but I love how Colin and $D1 paused for a second. It shows just how strict you are and how important an accurate deck estimation is.
More of these videos, please! Very helpful
love that i can keep track of the running count and the true count while watching along this video
great content..definetly more of these...double deck and hunch bad players would work as well...
I only got on CZcams to watch bja. I am so happy you made some more videos!
Colin I love this. These are my favorite videos. Please do them every day.
These are great videos and challenges me to keep that running count! Just for your viewers who are keeping count, maybe ask the table what the RC after every 3rd or 4th hand instead of asking after one deal round
Honestly this made me want to get myself a blackjack table and a good set of chips just to deal for friends. Looks real fun to just play some cards without stakes :)
Just… Buy a deck of cards..
Honestly dig these type of videos. Please put out more of these!!
I'm over here keeping the count with the game and 10:52 I was blocked by the card disposal yelling at the game WHATS THE CARD, TELL ME THE CARD!! Lol. Then Colin immediately asks the count and I'm a deer in headlights because I'm cut off at 15😂
Great video on the Martingale system. Thank you!
Great video. I don't plan on counting cards. But, after the hands were dealt, I would pause the video and compare my decision/knowledge of basic strategy to the chart and see how I did.
Thanks for the video. A good practice session for me 😎
And my outcomes are usually like Loudon Ofton's at 1st base 😆 And there were some awesome counts too. Oh well 🤷♂️
I just started learning to count a few days ago, and I'm able to keep up with the running count on this video nearly perfectly. I'm extremely excited to hone this skill and hopefully reap the rewards.
Thanks for this great video Colin. More please👍
I know it doesn't really make a a diference in the short run but it would be intresting to know what their EV/hour was, loved this format btw!
I don't play for long hours. I'm a hit and run guy. I play $200 min a hand and try to be done before the 3rd shoe. I employ a reverse progressive, but my increments are half bet sizes. So win the first, next hand is $300, then $400. After $400 I jump to $600 and after $600 I jump to $800 and stay for one additional hand. Then I finally get to $1,000 and max out at $1,400. Just not comfortable going any higher. I know my system is not +EV but it works for me and allows me to make a decent number or minimize a loss. I show up with $3,000 and if I lose I'm done.
Very similar to my betting strategy. Nearly identical. It’s a great system. Minimize losses while shopping for a win streak.
keep these coming i love these
I'm definitely proud of myself. I was 100% accurate with the running count and my true count was great as well, although it was my first time trying to estimate how many decks are left.
great game guys very informative look forward to more..
Colin got me dying in the first 40 seconds 😂 the way he announces his wife kills me
3 cards off when he said 52 cards LOL
Def fun watching games being played
I am playing baccarat now and watching your video 🤣 I hope they don't kick me from casino
Man, you've got 424k subscribers! Nice going!!
You guys are awesome!!
The best way to do this would be to run it with the same cards and the same shoe. If the cards run out differently, it can make a big difference. If one method gets more splits, doubles, blackjacks, etc it will affect the outcome.
What’s the EV of each play style? I think it would be cool to add that to the beginning of these videos.
Colin I love the vids man ❤. But how can I count along with you guys whenever the guy splits tens into the dis-card tray 😂. I’m taking wild guess at this point lol.
Would be so much better if you displayed who on the table is playing which system and also displayed a running count of their profit or loss.
It's hilarious that the losing strat came out so far ahead and the losing strat was the only loser on the day. Shows how real variance is
WhT do you mean how real variance is
It’s not a losing strat, it works until it doesn’t work.
More of this please
Would be cool to do a single deck game and show depth charging
It only works to show a true difference if all three betting systems used the same hand. But this video was fun to watch how luck can be great on any given shoe.
How much bankroll do you need to be a long time winner playing as SD1?
1:15 but i love him breaking the kelly criterion excited to see how it plays xD
Hello, may I ask why the second player hit at 7:35 with a total of 12 when the dealer has 5 showing? Is hitting the correct play? This seems different from the basic rules I've been taught. Thank you.
Hello. I'd love to join BJA program but in my country, the casinos I have seen so far are all using CSMs. Do you have like a closed group information on what casinos in Southeast Asia are using non-csm? Countries like Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand? Thank you
hey I noticed the basic strategy chart on the black jack apprenticeship site is different than others, and I also noticed that a lot of basic strategy charts vary from each other? is there multiple correct basic strategy charts you can follow?
Basic strategy chart depends on what the rules of the casino are, such as if the dealer hits on a soft 17 or not. Blackjack apprenticeship site shows a hybrid chart that works decently for most rules, but ideally you should use a chart specifically designed for the rules of your casino.
Greektown in Detroit used to deal that deep! Trespassed so idk what the game is like 7 years later.
please make this one every month!
amazing
Hey Colin, how different is basic strategy on an H17 game vs an S17 game? Also, what rules give the player the greatest possible advantage (and does that correspond with the bja basic strategy sheet)?
The sheets are available for free on his Website. You have to submit your email adress tho.
Im not colin but i would say .....always 2-3 for bjs.. stand soft 17.... surrender available..... no continuous automatic Schufflers!!!! Six deck is definitely better than eight deck… I think two deck is the best odds maybe? And single deck with these rules would be great too,right? Although on single deck, you can't double ever-also no Michaud entry is great I prefer it
The BJA strategy chart is made to work with both H17 & S17 and iirc is very slightly suboptimal for both, but it was made that way with the intent for people to learn 1 BS chart and make up the difference by learning the counting deviations chart for the game they are playing
Back with the vest!! Looking good Colin. I can afford to tip you $0.50 is that cool?
More videos like these
I need help on what to do after we know the dealer doesn't have blackjack after the insurance option. I feel I should change the standard basic strategy chart at this point, but can't find any information on what to do at this point. Should I still hit a 16 when we know they don't have the 10?
Or do I double down on a 11 after knowing they don't have blackjack?
4:47 If the dealer takes a hit by mistake, the Nevada Gaming Commission does not allow the casino to run back the exposed cards. In these cases, the player is usually given a push (instead of a loss), and then the players are offered a new shuffle if they desire.
I don’t think I’ve seen a blackjack table or you can split any 10-count cards-I’ve only seen that allowed if they are pairs.
Hi, I want to ask you a question😄
Why does basic strategy never allow to split a couple of 10s against a dealer's bad hand (3 through 5 let's say)? Wouldn't that make more money in the long run, since it's likely that the dealer busts and it has the potential to earn you double the money? 🤔
Because splitting 10’s will not make more money in the long run. Only when the count is very high does it become advantageous to split 10’s, and only when the dealer has certain cards.
All cruise ship casinos in goa, India are using CSM in blackjack
NEWB QUESTION ALERT!
i’ve been practicing a lot at home and recently had an opportunity to go to a casino and check out the blackjack tables, i knew i would most likely lose money cuz i just wanted to see if i could keep the count and check out shuffling or penetration etc, i noticed the discard tray was super tall and i have to believe it was an 8 deck tray, but during the shuffling process, the dealer used the discard tray to line up all the cards perfectly even before putting them in the shoe, when all the decks were in the discard tray, there was about a two deck gap..
which is more likely? a casino to be using 8 deck discard trays but only 6 decks in a shoe or my estimations on either discard tray size or number of decks to be off!?
any help is appreciated, thank you much!
To be absolutely sure, do a count where you count every single card +1. If the cut was about 2 decks deep, then if your total count at the end is about 312 (6 decks = 52 * 6 = 312 cards) you have 8 decks total for the shoe.
I have discovered the only way to win is either at a tournament or where there is no card machine. However in vegas you might encounter sleight of hand too.. so odds are not in your favor.
What does the count signify
In the video they talk about some advanced deviations. Does anyone has a chart they can share with me? I want to learn more deviations :)
Here’s the thing about martingale is it does actually work most of the time however with enough gambling you will inevitably hit a bad run
That’s why he said it works until it doesn’t work, I’ve racked up 1500 with 50 dollars via online using martingale and other times 500 here 600 there, martingale works until it doesn’t, and the splits and Bjs along the well help to add more $$$
@@TheFailedmessiahye i have martingaled from $1 all the way to $512 in baccarat just to win back and profit $1 lmao
With my hard 13 and dealer's 6 why stand and not hit?
Any resource where the reasoning of such cases is explained.
If you have hard 13 vs a dealer six you want to stand as you hope they have a 10 and bust. Also depends on the TC if I have a 2/3 against 2-6 and the TC is -2 or more I'll hit TC of 0 or 1+ I'll stand.
Wanted to check as my country casino is using CSM at the blackjack tables.. does card counting still works?
No, card counting doesn't work on CSM.
If anyone was curious there were 49 cards in the discard trey and 8 on the table so 57 total cards removed
You can split king jack?
Hello I love your videos, I am just a casual but at what count do you take insurance if there is a scenario that you should?
True +3
I got 55 card lounden. That’s just sick 😂
I don´t really understand the reverse martingale. Like what if there would be no limits? You would just double it until you loose and be at the beginig??
Question about 7:35
I know the book says to hit with 12. But since the true count is like~ +2, shouldnt the move according to basic theory be to stand with 12 against dealer 5?
12 should always be staying against dealer 5 or 6 but when the count get the +3 it also stays against a dealer 2 and +2 stays against dealer 3 also.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.
What I can't figure is, you guys are professional card counters and still hit 12 against a dealer 3/4/5.
And according to the book, always stand against 13/14/15/16 (most of the time at least).
Does this mean that in true gameplay, 12 against a dealer 3/4/5 is not 'that' bad?
I mean- you guys are pros. You gotta know more about it than me, an amateur.
At 3:55 he said "nice advanced deviation" are you supposed to surrender on two 8s against a dealer 10 above a certain count? 🤔
How much higher ev would a computer have than a human card counter?
I would love to see this all over again with only one caveat: three different betting styles with only one set of cards. So, you have everybody do their bedding strategy, but only play to “one player” so we can actually truly see how they compare with the exact same cards.
Im just wondering. why is there some kinda holes in the cards??
I live almost literally next door to a place that runs blackjack. No pit boss or anything. The min bet is $3 and the max is $25. What is the theoretical max I could make per hour?
Just out of curiosity why are you dealing your second card as your up card?
probably just because it's easier than tucking the second card under. doesn't really make a difference, statistically.
did not expect sd1 to look like that
whats stopping the casino from shuffling the cards every hand? would card counting go abosulte?
The length of time it takes for a human to hand shuffle 6 or 8 decks is the reason that casino doesn't shuffle after every hand. Hand shuffling after every hand would nearly kill any advantage an advantage player has, but would kill the casino's own revenue. However, what casinos have moved to are Continuous Shuffling Machines--where the dealer plays one to three rounds, then shoves the cards into a machine that continually shuffles the shoe. Under such circumstances, it's rare that the true count would ever eclipse +1, so it does severely mitigate counting.
How you doin apprentice man?
Bro i have submited my pan card and statement how much time it take to get verified
Always so entertaining
Why is there paper punch holes in the cards?
@18:15 16 vs 8, stay at TC=7. I think you should have stayed.
If I have 2aces can I assume one as 1 and other 11? Just a question
I would split if I'm dealt 2aces
It would be a soft 12. However, with any dealer card up, splitting the aces maximizes EV for that hand. (The only deviation I can recall is that at a True -3 or below, A-A is a Hit against a dealer A)
First time watching your videos, why do the cards have holes punched in them?
Cards with holes are just ex-casino cards. When they "decommission" them they punch them so they can never find their way back into a casino game illegally.
Question about Black Jack.
In the casino near me they deal the cards in a 'strange' way.
The dealer deals the first cards to the players face up, then proceeds to deal the card to the dealer also face up (first discrepancy), then deals the second card face up to the players and that's it. He does not deal himself (the banker) the other card face down.
So the round proceeds and only when the last player makes his move, the dealer proceeds to deal himself the second face-up card, and then the usual, stands at all 17.
My question is whether the dealer has an advantage (I guess so) and how much is it in percentage.
In particular, when the dealer has an ace I think he is at a great disadvantage.
This is how it's traditionally dealt in Europe. I don't know how it affects edge, but it definitely means you'll get fewer hands from a shoe, because you have all the wasted cards on dealer BJ that wouldn't happen in an American dealt game
@@sicsemperevan It's the standard ENHC procedure, just find out. It seems that ENHC increases the casino’s advantage by at least 0.11 per cent.
This way gives an edge to the dealer, because the player is forced to make decisions about doubling and splitting before the dealer checks for blackjack, thus losing more money if dealer has blackjack.
What to do if all the casinos near me have auto shuffles now? (And I can't travel to further casinos right now)
There's a difference between "Automatic" shufflers and "Continuous" shufflers. Automatic shufflers work by playing with two separate shoes: one shoe for the play and one shoe being shuffled. Once the cut card has been reached, the dealer trades the current shoe with the now-shuffled shoe, and the old shoe gets shuffled while the new shoe gets dealt. Automatic shufflers save time and are beatable. Continuous shufflers work when the dealer places the discarded cards immediately into the shuffling machine, and the machine continuously shuffles any undealt cards with the newly-added discarded cards. Under these circumstances, at most three round's worth of cards are discarded at a time. Due to the lack of truly discarded cards, it's nearly impossible to achieve positive true counts.
At the 4:00 there were 49 cards in the dis rack before the 2 8s were surrendered so he was off by 3!
Close though 👍
Actually you can include the cards on the table as well because although they're not in the discard tray, you have counted them, except for the hole card. So 54 cards
7:40 why different plays with two players hawing 12 vs deals 2?
Deviation only used by player to the left?
as someone who doesnt play anymore because ive been banned, i enjoyed watching this a lot
why dont you eliminate the randomness of the cards being deal to each player, by having them all play the same hand, -- then you are testing the different systems against each other for the same hands dealt.. (wouldbn't that be a better way to compare?)
I'm dumping this card counting crap and following Grace the Gorilla's lead.
Why shuffle the cards in your hand?
if you're counting cards on at an 8-deck shoe table and they put the card cutter thing at the end of the shoe with about 1 deck remaining, do you divide by 7 to get the true count? or do you still divide by 8?
You still divide by 8. To wrap your mind around why, just think of an extreme situation where you are playing a 100 deck game and 99 decks are cut out of play. All those 100 decks of cards have been shuffled together and you can't know how many low and high cards made it into the 1 playable deck. Therefore, just because 99 decks have been cut out, you can't treat it like a single deck game where you don't have to divide by anything to get the true count because even if a bunch of low cards get dealt out while you're playing, there can still be tons more left in the deck so you will never be in a situation where you'll want to bet high.
@@royjonzejr word. thanks
@royjonzejr I love that explanation, it makes sense that way. Thank you!
Yeah just ignore the cut card when figuring tc.
What system ever stands on soft 17 ever?
None that I'm aware of. She made a mistake.
In your opinion can you win without counting cards and just using basic strategy? not thounds but double your money!? also, if dealers use the same deck of cards until it's out is it a waste of time to keep track of high cards if your not great at card counting?
Anything can happen short-term, but in the long run it's impossible to win using just basic strategy.
If you aren't great at card counting, consider using a simpler system such as the Ace/Five count. You won't win, but you'll lose less money so your casino trips will be cheaper, and perhaps gain enough confidence to try better systems that actually win later.
@@noseboop4354 thanks for the Info! It will more than likely be short term, going to Vegas in a month! So I figured I'd give blackjack a shot and see how I faired in hopes of not losing all my money and walking out ahead atleast
@@suttonjohnson3847 Good luck, if it's just one trip you could definitely win big even with just basic strategy. Be careful of sidebets, the vast majority of them are sucker bets.
First. Love the videos!!
Since when is splitting 10's of a different rank allowed such as J-K?
@@infjason8470 Maybe its so rare that I've just never noticed it before!
does card counting work on spanish 21?
You have to be able to speak Spanish to make it work.
What was the advance deviation when he had a 14 and just gave up? Can you do that in blackjack?
17:40
Based on the true count surrenders can become more reasonable when they're available, which is what he did there.
Wait, why did Louden Often surrender the 88 on TC1 instead of split? I thought you were supposed to always split 88?
Order of operations say to surrender before split
Surrender at a true 1 8,8 v 10
@@rogerwalker3748 - i don’t think the app will let you do that without complaining and breaking whatever streak you had going.