I'd be curious how you'd rate all these skills as an ironman. This removes the option to buy all the skilling supplies and would change the dynamics for skill rankings
Was thinking exactly the same. For example, woodcutting would certainly at least swap places with fletching if not higher. Fletching is absolutely outdated as far as usefulness when leveling, while woodcutting trains firemaking, fletching, and construction. For mining and smithing, being able to create melee gear all the way from start to t90/92 by just simultaneously training mining and smithing is very useful itself.
I personally would argue that using the 'can just buy that on ge' as a reason to rank certain skills lower is slightly unfair to the usefulness of those skills seeing as the are still needed in order to make the items in the first place, but overall pretty solid! Been playing for more years and more hours than I would like to admit, and you've definitely got the general gist of things. Happy to see magic above the other combat skills, as well as some non combat skills at the top due to their immense usefulness.
As a brand new player who just started this week (played OSRS 18 years ago) I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge you have to share. I’m currently F2P and while I don’t understand 90% of what you talk about I have been binge watching all your videos.
Glad to have you back! You're proof that no one ever truly quits this game 😂 I've played off and on since 2003, and I remember coming back after several years and feeling super overwhelmed. Keep playing and watching guides and you'll get up to speed in no time.
Welcome back to the real world 😂 At this point just set some goals. Use the wiki. You can do a knights sword, get rc up in the runespan to at least 50 for vis wax, unlock explorer's ring 4. Getting base 50s in most of the f2p gathering and artisan skills can be pretty good. Throw all your lamps into prayer in f2p haha
Surprised you didn’t put Prayer in S-tier. Especially given all the no-food or gear boss fights that depend on prayer showing just how powerful it is alone… very interesting list overall
I'm not surprised. It isn't as impactful as the amazing tier skills. You can survive without, whereas not using invention is just pure absurdity for example.
Ya I’m with dragon on this one prayer is a amazing skill without it probably 99% of players won’t even pvm. Not everyone is skilled to uses shield ability’s without messing up.
Might as well just say any skill that produces good tradable and usable stuff is useless because you can "Buy it™" This video is super biased towards combat drops, perhaps jagex should drop all other skills that are not combat
Don't forget that a higher smiting level means your repair costs get reduced by up to 50% at level 99. When repaired yourself versus repairing through Bob.
As Other people have said, it would be interesting to see this from an ironman perspective, cause to me, half of these skills then become extremely important, maybe not fun, but they are essentially required.
Archaeology is without a doubt the best skill in the game. So much depth. So much versatility. So helpful. AFK and also not at the same time. It is a perfect skill.
This guy gets it. It also punishes people you use lamps/stars because you would still need to do collection logs and research expeditions to progress the skill.
There's a lot of people saying that cooking shouldn't be bottom tier because its used for PVM, please do realize... Protoxx is a maxed player. He Doesn't need to cook his food because he has the money to buy the Best foods needed, and he also has the relic ability Bait & switch. obtained at 99 Archeology so that he has no reason to cook his food, let alone if you're a main account, you can just buy all the food you need, meaning cooking is outright useless... If you're maxed.
No disrespect but it is WILD to see a perspective of a wealthy high tier PVM player treating other players almost like NPCs by labeling any skill less than useful because "you can just buy the things this skill makes". Once again, no disrespect meant I just can't imagine that mind set behind a MMORPG analysis.
It makes sense, though, even from the position of a less wealthy player. Whichever skill you train for money making becomes far more profitable than any other skill you can train, and once you reach that point it makes more sense to just use your most profitable skill to buy the materials for the other ones rather than grinding up mediocre gathering/crafting skills for a lot less gp/hr. Thus, the most profitable gathering/money making skills are useful, and stuff like mining and woodcutting, while reasonably profitable, are just not nearly as useful as the skills which make considerably more gp/hr. I say this as a player who isn't terribly wealthy, and only has low 70 combat skills. It's not that all of the gathering/profit skills are completely useless, they're just interchangeable, and none of them are nearly as profitable as leveling up combat and fighting monsters. The gathering skills are okay for building up a bit of a bankroll, but they're all capped in gp/hr, and at some point, you need to use that gold to facilitate combat in some way in order to get beyond that cap. I like magic for that reason, since high alch is as profitable as most of the gathering skills, but is also a combat skill which will be useful beyond just being a gp generator.
@Joseph Mozena That's why I said it was interesting. I completely disconnected from the opinion when it became purely profit and gp/hr. The thing is this is an MMO-RPG so doing things purely because they are gp/hr efficient or gp/xp efficient doesn't make sense to me. The skills themselves are USEFUL they just aren't profitable, which is something I would argue is an jmportant distinction not being made. The items these less useful skills produce are simply regarded as "You can just buy them" effectively reducing the skill and player who trained that skill and made that item into a shop/NPC equivalent. I'm not against gp/hr efficiency I just can't wrap my head around ONLY looking at things through that lens. It wouldn't even feel like a game anymore, just work but virtual lol. Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
The part of me that remembers being twelve years old died a little when you ranked mining and smithing so low. When I started playing in 2003, I was determined to get them both to 99.
Cooking, Thieving, and Fletching could all benefit from non-tradable items at the Low, Mid, and High tiers of play. Fishing could roll into the cooking with non-tradable catches used in the Cooking upgrade. Mining already has uses if you don't won't to just buy the components for Smithing and Construction, but honestly at the high levels cost is no issue compared to saving game time by not mining. Woodworking just sucks. Once you have the skill at 99 it is such a time sink most people avoid it like it was Typhoid Mary.
First skill, Agility, ranked as decent. Well, this ranking sucks. It's bad, at best mediocre. And how are gathering skills bad? They're decent money makers and necessary for many other skills. Edit: Well, video is almost over now... So far the conclusion is: if it ain't PvM related, it ain't good. 🙄
You have to understand, he is a pvmer, I don't think he sees the point of skilling because, as he said, it's decent money-making, but if you can pvm, you'll get a lot more money a lot faster, off-setting what you might lose from death office with the current rework, meaning anything that you can get via skilling you can just buy.
Yeah, it kinda hurt my soul to see Hunter being ranked so low until I realized that this list is just extremely skewed towards PvM and it would probably have been smarter to just commit to it being a purely PvM related list. Utility is also a misleading term. Constitution offers absolutely no utility whatsoever. It's a necessity, nothing more. It kinda speaks for itself that you're literally never actively training this skill ever at all.
@@Aioaverona i understand he's a PvMer.. I'm a lore hunter, don't care much about skills and their grinds in general, let alone PvM grinds. I would obviously be more biased towards Archaeology for the extensive amount of backstory it provided, which I bet only a few people even read. But whenever I would rank skills from worst to best (not "I like the most"), I would have to look a lot further into the skills than just the things I like to do. For instance, I would rank Magic as Amazing, because it's not just a great combat skill, but it's one of the most, if not THE most, versatile skill in the game. It has relations to every single skill in-game, and interacts with nearly every item in-game as well. And it's also a combat skill. How can it not be the best skill?
@@Wobbly777 @Big Jake Granted if you're good at PVMing and have the time to learn. Save for a few hardcore players that go out and learn most bosses and able to do them consistently on normal mode, your regular scaper will be perfectly find being at the fishing hub swarm fishing. You can make decent money there at 1.5m an hour, and that's what I've been doing on the side while doing school work cause I don't have to focus much. I'm sure that if I had much more time, and with the rework of the death cost, PVM will be a much viable option. Hell, if it wasn't for the PVM hub, I could bet you that Construction would've been at good or amazing because of what it offers, much more than prayer and magic IMO because you have the gilded alter (still do at the forts) you have the fountain of rejuvenation, (crystals at war retreat) you had portals (taken away because of load stones) and the personal slayer dungeon. But because of the way that they've changed RS3 in the past few years, skills that where deemed useful is now obsolete, and now has become a more PVM centric type game. It's not a bad thing don't get me wrong, but when you can get rid of 6 skills and the game will function pretty much the same, it just looks.. bad I guess? You can get rid of woodcutting and by proxy Firemaking. Why? You only use both for the bonfire boost, which is at war retreat. You could get rid of construction and just make fort quest base because you have pretty much everything there you need, sans personal slayer dungeon. thieving, because with again how the rework is, master farmer pointless cause slayer monsters drops seeds now, pick pocking for the the catalyst? Make that a crux farming reward, Hunting what big game hunter for dinosaur pelts when you could just get them as a slayer task and kill the rex bosses (blanking out on those 4 names). There's a ton of skills in the support category that you can get rid of, and the function of RuneScape will honestly not be changed at all what so ever, and that's pretty scary if you ask me.
Slayer should be in S-Tier next to Invention as it actually opens up the door to a lot more PVM-ing. Also a very great source of money making at 99+ slayer (115 is best). Get your perks and start slaying :)
@@raonicabralponciano6732 It could be that you just get bored and experience it negatively, or maybe other reasons... But Slayer has its benefits for those who are willing to invest their time into the skill.
Slayer on its own does nothing, you need to combine it with combat (and some cases equipment) to get the best of it There are a few slayer creatures not worth doing such as Camel Warriors
@@laser8550 You are right, on its own value isnt added. Which is why I added that it only opens up a door (not speaking about equipments etc yet). Having the gear, perks, high slayer lvl and everything you need for best DPS will even make most slayer monsters AFK. Once again, this is only for those who are willing to invest their time to be a Slayer-freak.
Nearly 120 fishing, it’s my favorite skill but I do fall asleep often. Add fly tying through invention and test them. Using different flies would revive this skill.
Idk why ability can't get a slight XP rate increase at the higher levels. It's not that useful but has bad XP per hour just like the more afk gathering skills, while requiring the click intensity of the manufacturing skills. Fire making has crazy XP rates for little work which is so odd that agility has terrible XP rates for a lot of work.
The usefulness of skills for an individual and for the game's health are two very different things. Without cooks nobody could instabuy sailfish or blubbers all day for PVM.
I totally agree with the need for a rework of woodcutting. Have been saying it for years now. We need our T99 hatchet that I have long ago dubbed the Hatchet of Wind and Sky.
I think prayer is an amazing skill, if you compare it to summoning beast of burden is nice but making hite of 10k into 1hp is not a game changer - but a must-have! also, if you consider other usefulness of prayer, being a life leecher and giving meaningful combat boosts - summoning i believe should be demoted under prayer.
"You can just buy on ge" is no argument for a tierlist man, because if you see it that way, you can argue "okay, pvm is completley useless, because you can buy your t95 stuff, you don't need to kill bosses for it" you also can buy most of potions nowadays, so if I am folliwing your argumentation, herb should be a "decent" skill. Sorry but this "argument" did really upset me 😂 iron man also do not have access to the ge. so for combat skills: defence has to be the second most useful, since you need it for def abilities in every combatstyle.
Content drought? Ahah. As a recent returner starting fresh, I'd love to see a run down on important/useful questlines to complete. (Without focusing on the super obvious ones like world wakes/desert treasure ect).
Full vampire quest line for t78 augmentable triple changing weapon for all styles Full elf quest line for priff Everything that requires to do fate of the gods, that quests and quests leading up to it give essential combat and skilling QoL items Basically all the quests, because even if some quests have absolute useless rewards chances are they are a prerequisite for a quest with an essential reward
Almost everything effects another thing... strenght affects pickaxe damage and mattock precision and some agility shortcuts, firemaking affects smithing metal bar's Heat, summoning and herblore obviouslt affect every other skill with specific summons or boost potions, agility affects fishing to catch two fish instead of one(only lower lvl fish) and gives a higher chance to pickpocket double your targets loot and also lets you catch some hunter beasts with your bare hands instead of a trap,... i could go on but the list is quite comprehensive and you should wiki every skill to see how it affects another....
You know I spent the last 72 hours not being able to skill or play on RuneScape due to the updates because my driver's kept crashing. Every few months after an update usually I get this problem and no one does anything to discuss or address this on media. Protoxx you could help make a difference by doing a video on helping people stranded like this and presenting a solution. You have already done a fantastic video presentation awhile back on rating skills. Please man help us. Jagex really sucks sometimes by not focusing on helping people with these changes.
Hey Rolando, I've made comments and videos on the servers in the past, especially the one where we received compensation from jagex. I'm not sure if constantly making a video every time the servers go offline is a good way to change things though
My man really has not played much on an iron. Gathering and artisan skills immediately go up into at least good tier because of the lack of ability to buy resources on the GE
For a sec I thought you weren’t going to rank arch in amazing. Just the fact that you can get pretty much best in slot (some bosses if melee) staff just by digging is extremely useful. Allows players to “reliably” get decent weps to do stuff like bossing and slayer. And the spear is pretty useful too. And there’s just so many relics that make life easier in rs. Good tier list. Can’t wait for the ironman version (I only play ironman now). Catch y’all in the next one
The gathering skills as a whole need reworking. They ultimately boil down to "click and wait" and by the time you're done waiting, you've barely got anything worthwhile. A third of your inventory full of wood/fish/ore? _Spectacular. Thank you for making me feel like my time with this game is well spent._ Honestly, if they were made more engaging, a log out timer update wouldn't be necessary.
Partially agree here. I also think the playerbase has turned into AFK-lovers due to the nature of us growing up and gathering skills indeed being very boring
My only complaint about this video is that a lot of it is from the perspective of a player with a lot of money to burn. Buying sailfish or blubbers for PvM adds up quickly, and BUYING trimmed masterwork is just a meme for anyone that isn't non-endgame maxed player. Smithing and Mining are god-tier skills for new players because it provides them with FREE weapons and armor along with free masterwork. 99 Smithing & Mining is probably the best way to break straight into mid-level PVM like GW2 with full Masterwork and +5 Elder Rune weapons or selling them for a Masuta Warspear.
A woodcutting update that was like, wood carving, and make lil idols that give you certain perks or something could quickly and easily make woodcutting more viable.
This ranking definitely depends on where you are progression wise. If supplies of some of the gathering and artisan skills you have at the lower tiers have their place, especially at lower levels
I am sorry, but I totally don't agree with most of the stuff. There is no way all of the main combat skills aint superior level and theres no way magic ain't the best skill. You even can't get charms without combat skills. Invention is also just a boring "support" skill (fiddles with some invisible percentages), no nice content there (no new pixels). Of new skills I guess archeology is the best, because it adds many new places. (skilling it is actually similiar to divination, which didn't add almost any new places). Dung is bad, because no variety in training, no alternative methods, like proteans or something. Thats just my opinion (began playing 20y ago). You rate everything in the game by the viewpoint of a maxxed out pro pliar, and publish it, like its for everyone. That makes you rate herblore above combat, though there is little use for herblore without combat. Not everything and everyone are focused on max DPS bossing and lategame grinding of billions. Wish your videos would be useful for a middle-class/n00b player too. Just my honest opinion, thanks for the awesome work!
That's what the comments are for! I suppose you do have a point with the herblore/combat skills ranking. I think I should've ranked magic at the top. I tried to make it as fair as possible for the average main account but it seems my own bias has come through a little but that is also the nature of a tier list sooo :P
Blessed flask, and the best daily for money making (mining red and crystal sandstone) are locked behind mining. How you rank Agility that high is beyond me.
i'd definitely have prayer on the S tier. you can do any boss without archeology easily, but not without prayer. think of 4k telos being doable even before invention came out, but to this day no one has done it with no prayer. i'd def have herb, and prayer as S tier, and anything else as good. these two are literally the skills people go for first, as we know how necessary they are for everything in-game.
That's a very pvm-centric way to look at it. Invention and arch are quite useful for skillers, and both are far more fun to train than prayer. Prayer does have some uses in skilling, but it's the pvm where it shines. For being so well-rounded, invention definitely deserves that top spot.
@@Heropsychodream fair enough. but, the game itself is also very pvm-centric. The faster you start pvming the faster you account will progress (by making money and such). Sure invention make skilling more efficient, but at the end of the day money will get more and faster xp. i see pvmers getting 200m and such faster than people who skill all day. this is a hot take, but i think pvmers explore the game more than skillers (they explore combat/ skill efficiently to not lose time/ and most go for comp and even trim). skillers fail to explore the pvming part in depth, and sometimes are even less efficient with skilling itself than pvmers.
@@jpedrosta That's actually been the main problem with RS over the last decade. They killed pvp and then shifted so hard to pvm and basically shut out the 60% of the player base that was only interested in skilling. Now the player base is way down and skillers make up like 20% of the playerbase tops. That doesn't factor in that a lot are bots.
@@NM-qd3tm and i agree!! they are slowly killing pvm too with all those changes. they should explore the game more to attract a more diverse playerbase. it's the only game with such variety in content to be able to do that. but as of right not pvm is overpowered, so for the purpose of the video, i believe these skills are the strongest ones in game. as they help you achieve the most overpowered content. it's gonna be that way until they change the game (for the better)
For me farming has been one of the main aspects of the game that I've done consistently for years. Like it doesn't get too old. Probably because it allows me to stack tons of herbs n use them for herbler. Good ole herbler
I feel like tiering things based on whether or not you can simply by the items is unfair. Someone still has to put in the work to get the items and they are worth your time regardless. What should actually devalue a skill is whether or not you can get it from combat drops, because combat is almost always a better source of materials than actually gathering them. That said, Mining and Smith and should be higher up than they are.
Agility is the worst skill, simply because for it to be even be implemented, means impediment has to be built in to the game in the first place. They created a problem so they could build a solution. On top of that, it's use in the game is practically non-existent, especially with the mass expansion of teleports
More than once you mentioned buying on the GE; all well and good if one has the billions you apparently have but, for regular players it's not an option. Farming = Herblore = $
It doesn't matter what tier of player you are, as a main account you're going to end up buying supplies to train skills. No main account has to (or should) play like an ironman. The option to buy supplies is there to be used :)
Im sorry to say Protoxx, Without mining there would be no trimmed masterwork. I know its not alot for a skill but being able to make the prerequ gear needed to make the best melee armor in the game isnt deserving of Bad. Maybe decent or mediocre but not just BAD. unlike woodcutting where there isn no end game level gear
@@eemelikorteniemi3966 Exactly my point, you get an amazing set of power armor that can lead you super far into the game with an elder rune weapon set of gear for just skilling. Its to good between mining and smithing to be desering of the Bad section
It is always so cringe to watch these videos as an ironman. "Mining and smithing sucks cos you can just buy the stuff 😂" Tbh powercreep, dps dps dps you don't technically need tmw due to zammy, but still other skills. All skills are alot more useful, with Agility being the least useful (other than double surge which is really pog)
Hunter is my favourite. As a young man when it first came out many many years ago its all I did. Hitting 99 in 5 days making 30m in red chins which let me buy dragon chain.. good times!
This tier list should have been done with a iron'esque aspect in mind, you are literally speaking mostly of endgame stuff to evaluate the usefullness of a skill and also including the "you can just buy food, so cooking is useless outside of quest requirements" approach which is kinda stupid as lots of supplies have to be finished by other players, regardless of what you state here. Not all items are collected or dropped in a finished state, which means, they have to be processed/finished by someone, grand exchange should not judge the usefullness of a skill, if that was the case, all skills outside of PVM would be mediocre or bad because majority of the stuff you need from them is buyable. Agility is literally bad. The only reason this skill has any value is the energy increase. Outside of that it is useless outside of saving you a few seconds in some places with shortcuts. Which is why this skill needs a light rework and have things like accuracy, crit and dodge/parry/block elements added to the game that involves agility as the core thing that controls those elements passively. Mining should not be under woodcutting, mining offers a way to build your character towards melee as you move on, woodcutting does not. Mining is worthy of mediocre, samething with Cooking because it allows to get a food supply which is required to survive PVM encounters. The need of a log for cooking is not always mandatory because there are cooking spots that require no logs to burn which completely turns woodcutting irrelevant outside of fletching. Woodcutting is the worst skill in the game, no debate. The use of logs has been nerfed over the years when it comes to firemaking, they made bonfire boosts, then made a permanent bonfire boost in the hub, they made permanent cooking spots more accessible. This impacts both firemaking and woodcutting. Woodcutting supplies the logs, if the logs are not required to cook anymore, that makes woodcutting extra useless and mostly focused in fletching department now. Plus the skill is outdated just like how mining and smithing were, there is no chance woodcutting can compare to mining after the rework. Mining and smithing allow for elder rune sets, which is a cheap introduction to bossing. Plus masterwork sets being currently endgame stuff for melee. Woodcutting allows the player to get incense sticks and ranged ammo, along with few ranged weapons to fletch. Hunter -> mediocre, it's not decent because the food you get from hunter is mostly garbage. If meat had more value in terms of healing, hunter would be more valuable than fishing. As it is right now, it isn't, so it is only fair to put it next to fishing in terms of utility longterm. Construction -> on top of bad tier, massive skill that serves little to no purpose right now. I know it helps with a few things here and there, like the storage, armour repair stand and probably 1 or 2 more things (like the new fort). These are 1 time things, things that could be good to use, but since it is a 1 time thing to unlock, the skill overall suffers from that issue where it lacks a purpose in the current landscape of the game.
I mean, if you think Hunter's purpose is to gather meat, then the entirety of your Hunter experience probably comes from lamps. Meat is the single most useless product gained from Hunter. That's like saying that Smithing is bad because ceremonial swords aren't endgame viable.
@@xyarlo9369 Looks like reading comprehension is not your thing. No where did i state that the focus of hunter is to gather meat alone, it is one of the key components of being a hunter, but meat in general is trash in this game when it comes to healing purposes which is why i compared it to fishing, which is the main healing source. A good portion of the creatures you hunt will give you meat, since meat has little to no use, it devalues the skill in the end because the healing part of the skill is not there. Hunter as it is, it tries to do a little bit of what other skills already do but falls short in the long run. It's easily the lowest decent skill in the list or has to be brought down to mediocre. Hunter would have had a much greater role, if it had a purpose similar to mining. And a more in depth source of unique resources like bones and skins (on top of meat actually being usefull). Then crafting would be tied in with turning those skins/bones into gear. This would make the skill decent or good even. But as it is, it's a hard pass.
@@CHT1992 I have no idea why you're so keen about the idea of meat being an essential part of Hunter. If meat were any good, Fishing would become completely useless. What about Summoning materials, salamanders, chinchompas, charms, scarabs, juju potions, BGH rewards or grenwall spikes? I'm still not sure if you've ever trained Hunter other than with lamps.
@@xyarlo9369 I am keen of that idea because the old skills could use updates to make them have a deeper purpose, instead of ignoring them and dishing out new skills all the time. More reworks like mining and smithing would help the game much more than having another new skill to grind every 2-3 years. They should instead make skill reworks (in pairs) every 2 years and release a new skill every 4 years untill reworks are done. Fishing would not become useless if meat was around. Fishing and banking is much easier than doing hunter for meat and banking (and like i mentioned, meat is one of the many components from hunter). Plus there are many ways to spread out the benefits of each type of food in the game. Fishes being the cheaper option for gp/heal due to amounts but meat could be used as a temporary source of boosts, making the use of spices even more relevant for all kinds of things, could even add plates to make meat based dishes work similar to pies or stew. Summoning materials? That is the next useless thing about hunter, tell me, who is going to do hunter to get specific supplies to then create summoning pouches. Only iron accounts will do that, and there are much easier ways to get cheap ingredients and in much faster quantities without having to do hunter for supplies. The only relevant ingredients from what i recall that come from hunter is raw bird meat (comes from npc store in stacks of 300 daily, so no purpose to hunt for these) and the arctic bear fur for the hunter boost, everything else is a waste of money/charms. Salamanders? Not even sure if that is a viable thing to do anymore, it might be easier to get ammo now on your own with the farming update, but i sincerely doubt people are going to bother with it for too long unless irons. Charms? This goes directly towards what i stated, hunter tries to be many things but falls short in the long run. If you want to get charms, i would say the main source of those is PVM and i believe most people do this since you can afk for charms... Scarabs is probably the one good thing about hunter right now that will stick with you longterm because it is utility. The only other exception is chins. BGH is bad for endgame, tier 3 dinos (the highest ones) are worst money makers when compared to tier 2, tier 1 even beats tier 3 dinos unless you get extremelly luck with tier 3. Only reason to do BGH is totem pieces and get a pair of d mattocks, beyond that i would sincerely just put the content in the shelves. Maul itself is not that great of an item, if it was a scythe instead of a maul, this item would have way more value and meaning to it, but since it is a maul... meh. Juju pots, i'm going to be honest, i've rarely used these. And when i decided to use them, perfect plus potion was released. Which makes the entire concept of using hunter to make juju pots completely useless and a waste of time early on. Which ties in with what i said about hunter trying to be a bit of everything but falls short in the long run. As for my experience with the skill, i got my way to 99 around when protean traps were released, i got my first protean traps reward after i got 99. I did mostly red chins and then grenwalls. I haven't touched hunter that much outside of some new updates here and there for a short amount of time. But my 99-120 grind is mostly derived from elder gods dungeon 3 skill plots outside of croesus. You can literally afk the skill there and make some money in return, literally makes hunter more enjoyable and less of a an issue to deal with. Because i sincerely hated leveling up this skill pre-proteans to 99. You tried calling me out on the lamps, you failed, i maxed my account in 2015 with majority of the grind being done PRE-EOC, back then, lamping to max was not as big of an issue as it is right now, i do recall doing some xp rewards from monthly or weekly stuff but that is about it. You would have to buy lots of keys for that if i had to rely on TH alone back then, while the current state of the game allows like 300k+ xp per day easily from free keys if using the right promotions. And there is no way in hell i would put that xp towards an easy skill like hunter. I do however use these xp rewards towards buyables or skills i consider annoying to level up beyond 99. This does not "ruin" the experience or knowledge with a skill, taking a long break from the game and then returning would cause more damage than using lamps/stars on a skill. Taking a long break implies loosing knowledge overtime and missing out on updates, it happened to me, but i caught up eventually.
This is why everyone should play Ironman. The content is actually more useful to do and you can't just buy all the things you need (whether with in-game gp or IRL money).
Magic deserves "Amazing tier". Want combat jewellery? You need magic. Want to fight bosses? You need magic. Want to zoom as fast as sanic? You need magic (and powerburst of accel). Want to visit any city in like 3 ticks? You need magic. Want jewellery for skilling? Guess what, you also need magic. Personally, I would've ranked first (and invention second and arch third). Also, with the bait and switch arch relic, you don't even need cooking to cook fish, which means cooking deserve an exclusive "irrelevant" tier.
Could you do this list but for ironmen accounts to? Like cooking is importent for iron for a while and i dont realy think any skill would realy be in the bad tier on a iron. mining is good for potion flasks and crystal flasks. woodcuting for those bolts + elder logs for notepaper, cooking would defenitly be good on a iron to.
Cooking will only be important as long as you don't have 99 archeology. He states this in numerous comments, but at 99 arch, you get the perk bait and switch which cooks every fish you get, making Cooking pointless.... but only when you get 99 archeology
Incorrect, woodcutting is actually the greatest skill in runescape, and I should know, I have 987 million experience in woodcutting on my main account, as well as 120 woodcutting on the fsw.
now do ironman tier list for skill your toon will change real quick, i bet you going be more critical with the skills and in-death with the the this half-A$$ video. you make a great video
I'm surprised there's no consideration on how enjoyable or unenjoyable the skill is, or how effective the skill portrays training/using it thematically. Considering that for most players, training a skill is going to be a main objective most of the time for most of their goals, it seems appropriate to include how fun/relaxing/boring/monotonous they are.
@@epicmonkeydrunk It's already very opinion based. The whole video is his opinion of the skills. I'm just saying it would have been interesting to see if he also included his opinion of their fun/grind factor on top of his opinion on their effectiveness.
I have no idea how you can justify putting dungeoneering in good its literally so bad that the way people train it is by not training it I genuinely think that if dungeoneering was removed the game would be better
Imagine being an iron man and seeing this list. Sure makes you think that you don’t need to chop trees, mine ore, or cook any of your food because of the GE… oh wait.. I can’t use the GE. In that case, the whole list needs to shift lol.
Mining being in bad kind of makes no sense, it got alot better since the rework, deserves a mediocre for me. I'd move firemaking into bad because.. it's literally bad the entire skill is just putting logs on a fire. ''Bad'' tier I'd see as skills that are desperately in need of a rework.
I'd say this is a better useful video, but, I'd say it'd be more informational if you stated if this list was for regular players or Ironmen. Because this list is totally wrong for Ironmen.
Treasure hunter is the best skill. It lets you train all your other skills
For money!
Haha.
indeed. 100%
Best comment ever!😂
lmao i hate how this is true
only if youre a peasant non-ironman
I'd be curious how you'd rate all these skills as an ironman. This removes the option to buy all the skilling supplies and would change the dynamics for skill rankings
Was thinking exactly the same. For example, woodcutting would certainly at least swap places with fletching if not higher. Fletching is absolutely outdated as far as usefulness when leveling, while woodcutting trains firemaking, fletching, and construction. For mining and smithing, being able to create melee gear all the way from start to t90/92 by just simultaneously training mining and smithing is very useful itself.
Traveling is right man. You should get an ironman/woman's perspective.
Totally changes everything imo
Upvoted. Protoxx please make one for this!
@@blaziken12 protox please don’t make a video of this, the dude has no idea what he is talking about. Need a genuine Ironman to make a video about it.
I personally would argue that using the 'can just buy that on ge' as a reason to rank certain skills lower is slightly unfair to the usefulness of those skills seeing as the are still needed in order to make the items in the first place, but overall pretty solid! Been playing for more years and more hours than I would like to admit, and you've definitely got the general gist of things. Happy to see magic above the other combat skills, as well as some non combat skills at the top due to their immense usefulness.
As a brand new player who just started this week (played OSRS 18 years ago) I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge you have to share. I’m currently F2P and while I don’t understand 90% of what you talk about I have been binge watching all your videos.
Welcome back
Glad to have you back!
You're proof that no one ever truly quits this game 😂
I've played off and on since 2003, and I remember coming back after several years and feeling super overwhelmed. Keep playing and watching guides and you'll get up to speed in no time.
dont waste ur time on f2p. get a membership asap
Welcome back to the real world 😂
At this point just set some goals. Use the wiki. You can do a knights sword, get rc up in the runespan to at least 50 for vis wax, unlock explorer's ring 4. Getting base 50s in most of the f2p gathering and artisan skills can be pretty good. Throw all your lamps into prayer in f2p haha
Welcome back to the game Coco! Enjoy your adventure :)
Surprised you didn’t put Prayer in S-tier. Especially given all the no-food or gear boss fights that depend on prayer showing just how powerful it is alone… very interesting list overall
I'm not surprised. It isn't as impactful as the amazing tier skills. You can survive without, whereas not using invention is just pure absurdity for example.
Ya I’m with dragon on this one prayer is a amazing skill without it probably 99% of players won’t even pvm. Not everyone is skilled to uses shield ability’s without messing up.
Might as well just say any skill that produces good tradable and usable stuff is useless because you can "Buy it™"
This video is super biased towards combat drops, perhaps jagex should drop all other skills that are not combat
This is a list based on the rewards each skill provides, not for example how good the skill is to train/use.
I'd love to see a Fletching/Crafting/Woodcutting rework in the same vein as Mining/Smithing. It's long overdue..
Don't forget that a higher smiting level means your repair costs get reduced by up to 50% at level 99. When repaired yourself versus repairing through Bob.
yes if you rank those skills being an ironman it would be totally different.
Or a ironwoman
@@stevetrevor7004 ironthem
As Other people have said, it would be interesting to see this from an ironman perspective, cause to me, half of these skills then become extremely important, maybe not fun, but they are essentially required.
Archaeology is without a doubt the best skill in the game. So much depth. So much versatility. So helpful. AFK and also not at the same time. It is a perfect skill.
This^^^^^
PREACH!
This guy gets it. It also punishes people you use lamps/stars because you would still need to do collection logs and research expeditions to progress the skill.
@@smoldrizzo don’t forget mysteries
There's a lot of people saying that cooking shouldn't be bottom tier because its used for PVM, please do realize... Protoxx is a maxed player. He Doesn't need to cook his food because he has the money to buy the Best foods needed, and he also has the relic ability Bait & switch. obtained at 99 Archeology so that he has no reason to cook his food, let alone if you're a main account, you can just buy all the food you need, meaning cooking is outright useless... If you're maxed.
No disrespect but it is WILD to see a perspective of a wealthy high tier PVM player treating other players almost like NPCs by labeling any skill less than useful because "you can just buy the things this skill makes". Once again, no disrespect meant I just can't imagine that mind set behind a MMORPG analysis.
It makes sense, though, even from the position of a less wealthy player. Whichever skill you train for money making becomes far more profitable than any other skill you can train, and once you reach that point it makes more sense to just use your most profitable skill to buy the materials for the other ones rather than grinding up mediocre gathering/crafting skills for a lot less gp/hr. Thus, the most profitable gathering/money making skills are useful, and stuff like mining and woodcutting, while reasonably profitable, are just not nearly as useful as the skills which make considerably more gp/hr.
I say this as a player who isn't terribly wealthy, and only has low 70 combat skills. It's not that all of the gathering/profit skills are completely useless, they're just interchangeable, and none of them are nearly as profitable as leveling up combat and fighting monsters. The gathering skills are okay for building up a bit of a bankroll, but they're all capped in gp/hr, and at some point, you need to use that gold to facilitate combat in some way in order to get beyond that cap. I like magic for that reason, since high alch is as profitable as most of the gathering skills, but is also a combat skill which will be useful beyond just being a gp generator.
@Joseph Mozena That's why I said it was interesting. I completely disconnected from the opinion when it became purely profit and gp/hr. The thing is this is an MMO-RPG so doing things purely because they are gp/hr efficient or gp/xp efficient doesn't make sense to me. The skills themselves are USEFUL they just aren't profitable, which is something I would argue is an jmportant distinction not being made. The items these less useful skills produce are simply regarded as "You can just buy them" effectively reducing the skill and player who trained that skill and made that item into a shop/NPC equivalent. I'm not against gp/hr efficiency I just can't wrap my head around ONLY looking at things through that lens. It wouldn't even feel like a game anymore, just work but virtual lol. Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
No disrespect, but you don’t understand this game at all.
You can definitely tell this is a Mainscape Tier list.
First time I actually stopped and made tea before enjoying the video. It was nice, I can recommend.
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The part of me that remembers being twelve years old died a little when you ranked mining and smithing so low.
When I started playing in 2003, I was determined to get them both to 99.
I feel this so hard x
Cooking, Thieving, and Fletching could all benefit from non-tradable items at the Low, Mid, and High tiers of play. Fishing could roll into the cooking with non-tradable catches used in the Cooking upgrade. Mining already has uses if you don't won't to just buy the components for Smithing and Construction, but honestly at the high levels cost is no issue compared to saving game time by not mining. Woodworking just sucks. Once you have the skill at 99 it is such a time sink most people avoid it like it was Typhoid Mary.
The best skill is fire making, you can make fires and cook sardines, other foods can be cooked
mining is bad skill? what? i'm disappointed.... very weird tier list, but it's your opinion :)
Was in the mood for video like this, boom upload appears 😂
First skill, Agility, ranked as decent. Well, this ranking sucks. It's bad, at best mediocre.
And how are gathering skills bad? They're decent money makers and necessary for many other skills.
Edit: Well, video is almost over now... So far the conclusion is: if it ain't PvM related, it ain't good. 🙄
You have to understand, he is a pvmer, I don't think he sees the point of skilling because, as he said, it's decent money-making, but if you can pvm, you'll get a lot more money a lot faster, off-setting what you might lose from death office with the current rework, meaning anything that you can get via skilling you can just buy.
Pvm is a faster way of making money than skilling therefore its more efficient to make money through pvm and use it to skill faster
Yeah, it kinda hurt my soul to see Hunter being ranked so low until I realized that this list is just extremely skewed towards PvM and it would probably have been smarter to just commit to it being a purely PvM related list. Utility is also a misleading term. Constitution offers absolutely no utility whatsoever. It's a necessity, nothing more. It kinda speaks for itself that you're literally never actively training this skill ever at all.
@@Aioaverona i understand he's a PvMer.. I'm a lore hunter, don't care much about skills and their grinds in general, let alone PvM grinds. I would obviously be more biased towards Archaeology for the extensive amount of backstory it provided, which I bet only a few people even read.
But whenever I would rank skills from worst to best (not "I like the most"), I would have to look a lot further into the skills than just the things I like to do.
For instance, I would rank Magic as Amazing, because it's not just a great combat skill, but it's one of the most, if not THE most, versatile skill in the game. It has relations to every single skill in-game, and interacts with nearly every item in-game as well. And it's also a combat skill. How can it not be the best skill?
@@Wobbly777 @Big Jake Granted if you're good at PVMing and have the time to learn. Save for a few hardcore players that go out and learn most bosses and able to do them consistently on normal mode, your regular scaper will be perfectly find being at the fishing hub swarm fishing. You can make decent money there at 1.5m an hour, and that's what I've been doing on the side while doing school work cause I don't have to focus much. I'm sure that if I had much more time, and with the rework of the death cost, PVM will be a much viable option. Hell, if it wasn't for the PVM hub, I could bet you that Construction would've been at good or amazing because of what it offers, much more than prayer and magic IMO because you have the gilded alter (still do at the forts) you have the fountain of rejuvenation, (crystals at war retreat) you had portals (taken away because of load stones) and the personal slayer dungeon. But because of the way that they've changed RS3 in the past few years, skills that where deemed useful is now obsolete, and now has become a more PVM centric type game. It's not a bad thing don't get me wrong, but when you can get rid of 6 skills and the game will function pretty much the same, it just looks.. bad I guess? You can get rid of woodcutting and by proxy Firemaking. Why? You only use both for the bonfire boost, which is at war retreat. You could get rid of construction and just make fort quest base because you have pretty much everything there you need, sans personal slayer dungeon. thieving, because with again how the rework is, master farmer pointless cause slayer monsters drops seeds now, pick pocking for the the catalyst? Make that a crux farming reward, Hunting what big game hunter for dinosaur pelts when you could just get them as a slayer task and kill the rex bosses (blanking out on those 4 names). There's a ton of skills in the support category that you can get rid of, and the function of RuneScape will honestly not be changed at all what so ever, and that's pretty scary if you ask me.
Slayer should be in S-Tier next to Invention as it actually opens up the door to a lot more PVM-ing.
Also a very great source of money making at 99+ slayer (115 is best).
Get your perks and start slaying :)
For me, slayer should be in the worst tier 😬
@@raonicabralponciano6732 It could be that you just get bored and experience it negatively, or maybe other reasons...
But Slayer has its benefits for those who are willing to invest their time into the skill.
Slayer on its own does nothing, you need to combine it with combat (and some cases equipment) to get the best of it
There are a few slayer creatures not worth doing such as Camel Warriors
@@laser8550 You are right, on its own value isnt added.
Which is why I added that it only opens up a door (not speaking about equipments etc yet).
Having the gear, perks, high slayer lvl and everything you need for best DPS will even make most slayer monsters AFK.
Once again, this is only for those who are willing to invest their time to be a Slayer-freak.
Nearly 120 fishing, it’s my favorite skill but I do fall asleep often.
Add fly tying through invention and test them. Using different flies would revive this skill.
Idk why ability can't get a slight XP rate increase at the higher levels. It's not that useful but has bad XP per hour just like the more afk gathering skills, while requiring the click intensity of the manufacturing skills. Fire making has crazy XP rates for little work which is so odd that agility has terrible XP rates for a lot of work.
Dude, agility should be "mediocre" ONLY because of Anachronia's codexes. It should really be ranked "bad"
The usefulness of skills for an individual and for the game's health are two very different things. Without cooks nobody could instabuy sailfish or blubbers all day for PVM.
I totally agree with the need for a rework of woodcutting. Have been saying it for years now. We need our T99 hatchet that I have long ago dubbed the Hatchet of Wind and Sky.
I think prayer is an amazing skill, if you compare it to summoning beast of burden is nice but making hite of 10k into 1hp is not a game changer - but a must-have! also, if you consider other usefulness of prayer, being a life leecher and giving meaningful combat boosts - summoning i believe should be demoted under prayer.
"You can just buy on ge" is no argument for a tierlist man, because if you see it that way, you can argue "okay, pvm is completley useless, because you can buy your t95 stuff, you don't need to kill bosses for it" you also can buy most of potions nowadays, so if I am folliwing your argumentation, herb should be a "decent" skill. Sorry but this "argument" did really upset me 😂 iron man also do not have access to the ge. so for combat skills: defence has to be the second most useful, since you need it for def abilities in every combatstyle.
Content drought? Ahah.
As a recent returner starting fresh, I'd love to see a run down on important/useful questlines to complete.
(Without focusing on the super obvious ones like world wakes/desert treasure ect).
Full vampire quest line for t78 augmentable triple changing weapon for all styles
Full elf quest line for priff
Everything that requires to do fate of the gods, that quests and quests leading up to it give essential combat and skilling QoL items
Basically all the quests, because even if some quests have absolute useless rewards chances are they are a prerequisite for a quest with an essential reward
Wiki has a pretty good quest order guide. Look what content you want to do and check what questlines are helpful
Every quest is important
How else you gonna get that quest cape ;)
Here I am just learning that firemaking affects the heat on your smithing items. That's very good to know.
Almost everything effects another thing... strenght affects pickaxe damage and mattock precision and some agility shortcuts, firemaking affects smithing metal bar's Heat, summoning and herblore obviouslt affect every other skill with specific summons or boost potions, agility affects fishing to catch two fish instead of one(only lower lvl fish) and gives a higher chance to pickpocket double your targets loot and also lets you catch some hunter beasts with your bare hands instead of a trap,... i could go on but the list is quite comprehensive and you should wiki every skill to see how it affects another....
You know I spent the last 72 hours not being able to skill or play on RuneScape due to the updates because my driver's kept crashing. Every few months after an update usually I get this problem and no one does anything to discuss or address this on media. Protoxx you could help make a difference by doing a video on helping people stranded like this and presenting a solution. You have already done a fantastic video presentation awhile back on rating skills. Please man help us. Jagex really sucks sometimes by not focusing on helping people with these changes.
Hey Rolando,
I've made comments and videos on the servers in the past, especially the one where we received compensation from jagex. I'm not sure if constantly making a video every time the servers go offline is a good way to change things though
How is firemaking in the decent tier for supporting smithing, but mining gets Bad tier when the entirety of smithing depends on it? What? 😂
Its crazy how different I feel, as an iron, to this list. Each to their own.
My man really has not played much on an iron. Gathering and artisan skills immediately go up into at least good tier because of the lack of ability to buy resources on the GE
Well yeah but I am a main so
For a sec I thought you weren’t going to rank arch in amazing. Just the fact that you can get pretty much best in slot (some bosses if melee) staff just by digging is extremely useful. Allows players to “reliably” get decent weps to do stuff like bossing and slayer. And the spear is pretty useful too. And there’s just so many relics that make life easier in rs. Good tier list. Can’t wait for the ironman version (I only play ironman now). Catch y’all in the next one
Just a chill Runecrafter here, passing through (^-^)
In decending order.
1.Invention
2.Archeology
3.Divination
4.Herblore
5.Contruction
6.Smithing
7.Farming
8.Slayer
9.Crafting
10.Agility
11.Dung
12.Mining
13.Woodcutting
14.firemaking
15.Fishing
16.Cooking
17.Thieving
18.Flettching
19.Runecraft
last.combats
Ps I'm a skiller.
Horrible list even for skilling
@@Neji1984 give me a reason.
The gathering skills as a whole need reworking. They ultimately boil down to "click and wait" and by the time you're done waiting, you've barely got anything worthwhile. A third of your inventory full of wood/fish/ore? _Spectacular. Thank you for making me feel like my time with this game is well spent._
Honestly, if they were made more engaging, a log out timer update wouldn't be necessary.
Partially agree here. I also think the playerbase has turned into AFK-lovers due to the nature of us growing up and gathering skills indeed being very boring
My only complaint about this video is that a lot of it is from the perspective of a player with a lot of money to burn. Buying sailfish or blubbers for PvM adds up quickly, and BUYING trimmed masterwork is just a meme for anyone that isn't non-endgame maxed player.
Smithing and Mining are god-tier skills for new players because it provides them with FREE weapons and armor along with free masterwork. 99 Smithing & Mining is probably the best way to break straight into mid-level PVM like GW2 with full Masterwork and +5 Elder Rune weapons or selling them for a Masuta Warspear.
Thanks for redoing this. I just got into it after not playing in like 16 years and the last video you had made on it felt a bit dated.
A woodcutting update that was like, wood carving, and make lil idols that give you certain perks or something could quickly and easily make woodcutting more viable.
This ranking definitely depends on where you are progression wise. If supplies of some of the gathering and artisan skills you have at the lower tiers have their place, especially at lower levels
I am sorry, but I totally don't agree with most of the stuff. There is no way all of the main combat skills aint superior level and theres no way magic ain't the best skill. You even can't get charms without combat skills. Invention is also just a boring "support" skill (fiddles with some invisible percentages), no nice content there (no new pixels). Of new skills I guess archeology is the best, because it adds many new places. (skilling it is actually similiar to divination, which didn't add almost any new places). Dung is bad, because no variety in training, no alternative methods, like proteans or something. Thats just my opinion (began playing 20y ago).
You rate everything in the game by the viewpoint of a maxxed out pro pliar, and publish it, like its for everyone. That makes you rate herblore above combat, though there is little use for herblore without combat. Not everything and everyone are focused on max DPS bossing and lategame grinding of billions. Wish your videos would be useful for a middle-class/n00b player too. Just my honest opinion, thanks for the awesome work!
That's what the comments are for! I suppose you do have a point with the herblore/combat skills ranking. I think I should've ranked magic at the top. I tried to make it as fair as possible for the average main account but it seems my own bias has come through a little but that is also the nature of a tier list sooo :P
Blessed flask, and the best daily for money making (mining red and crystal sandstone) are locked behind mining.
How you rank Agility that high is beyond me.
i'd definitely have prayer on the S tier. you can do any boss without archeology easily, but not without prayer. think of 4k telos being doable even before invention came out, but to this day no one has done it with no prayer. i'd def have herb, and prayer as S tier, and anything else as good. these two are literally the skills people go for first, as we know how necessary they are for everything in-game.
That's a very pvm-centric way to look at it. Invention and arch are quite useful for skillers, and both are far more fun to train than prayer. Prayer does have some uses in skilling, but it's the pvm where it shines. For being so well-rounded, invention definitely deserves that top spot.
@@Heropsychodream fair enough. but, the game itself is also very pvm-centric. The faster you start pvming the faster you account will progress (by making money and such). Sure invention make skilling more efficient, but at the end of the day money will get more and faster xp. i see pvmers getting 200m and such faster than people who skill all day. this is a hot take, but i think pvmers explore the game more than skillers (they explore combat/ skill efficiently to not lose time/ and most go for comp and even trim). skillers fail to explore the pvming part in depth, and sometimes are even less efficient with skilling itself than pvmers.
@@jpedrosta That's actually been the main problem with RS over the last decade. They killed pvp and then shifted so hard to pvm and basically shut out the 60% of the player base that was only interested in skilling. Now the player base is way down and skillers make up like 20% of the playerbase tops. That doesn't factor in that a lot are bots.
@@NM-qd3tm and i agree!! they are slowly killing pvm too with all those changes. they should explore the game more to attract a more diverse playerbase. it's the only game with such variety in content to be able to do that. but as of right not pvm is overpowered, so for the purpose of the video, i believe these skills are the strongest ones in game. as they help you achieve the most overpowered content. it's gonna be that way until they change the game (for the better)
For me farming has been one of the main aspects of the game that I've done consistently for years. Like it doesn't get too old. Probably because it allows me to stack tons of herbs n use them for herbler. Good ole herbler
Farm is my favorite skill!
I feel like tiering things based on whether or not you can simply by the items is unfair. Someone still has to put in the work to get the items and they are worth your time regardless.
What should actually devalue a skill is whether or not you can get it from combat drops, because combat is almost always a better source of materials than actually gathering them.
That said, Mining and Smith and should be higher up than they are.
Woodcutting used to be sick when Mage bows were meta and people could cut mage logs and fletch them. Makes me so nostalgic.
I can’t lie I disagree with this ranking so much I decided to make my own one lol
Feel free to share an imgur/screenshot link :)
Really enjoyed this video. Listening to your thought process of the value of each skill
Agility is the worst skill, simply because for it to be even be implemented, means impediment has to be built in to the game in the first place. They created a problem so they could build a solution. On top of that, it's use in the game is practically non-existent, especially with the mass expansion of teleports
Fire making is one of the best money makers in the game if you know what your doing
i think it's important to note that skills (such as mining) are more useful in the early/mid game than later on the game
Prayer is use to make incense stick’ is a long stretch is fire making and herblower the main skills
The fact magic isn't top tier is ridiculous. Teleports, skilling methods, strongest combat type, gaining more xp for other skills...
More than once you mentioned buying on the GE; all well and good if one has the billions you apparently have but, for regular players it's not an option. Farming = Herblore = $
It doesn't matter what tier of player you are, as a main account you're going to end up buying supplies to train skills. No main account has to (or should) play like an ironman.
The option to buy supplies is there to be used :)
title suggests best to worst, not what's most important
Ever thought about the worst skills to train based on their xp rates or click intensity? Finishing my 200ms and don’t know which daily skills to do.
Im sorry to say Protoxx, Without mining there would be no trimmed masterwork. I know its not alot for a skill but being able to make the prerequ gear needed to make the best melee armor in the game isnt deserving of Bad. Maybe decent or mediocre but not just BAD. unlike woodcutting where there isn no end game level gear
The ability to get high level melee armour for free just by skilling changed a lot for me
@@eemelikorteniemi3966 Exactly my point, you get an amazing set of power armor that can lead you super far into the game with an elder rune weapon set of gear for just skilling. Its to good between mining and smithing to be desering of the Bad section
@@SilverDawnbreak I suppose the issue is that it takes about as long to make as it would to make an armour in real life...
It is always so cringe to watch these videos as an ironman. "Mining and smithing sucks cos you can just buy the stuff 😂" Tbh powercreep, dps dps dps you don't technically need tmw due to zammy, but still other skills.
All skills are alot more useful, with Agility being the least useful (other than double surge which is really pog)
I think if you fator in ancient invention and binding contracts e.g rippers into arch. It should be in the "amazing" tier
Hunter is my favourite. As a young man when it first came out many many years ago its all I did. Hitting 99 in 5 days making 30m in red chins which let me buy dragon chain.. good times!
Brawling gloves can't be obtained from prifpocketing anymore, they removed that 2 weeks ago.
I recorded this video 2 weeks ago (scheduled) to upload today haha
This tier list should have been done with a iron'esque aspect in mind, you are literally speaking mostly of endgame stuff to evaluate the usefullness of a skill and also including the "you can just buy food, so cooking is useless outside of quest requirements" approach which is kinda stupid as lots of supplies have to be finished by other players, regardless of what you state here. Not all items are collected or dropped in a finished state, which means, they have to be processed/finished by someone, grand exchange should not judge the usefullness of a skill, if that was the case, all skills outside of PVM would be mediocre or bad because majority of the stuff you need from them is buyable.
Agility is literally bad.
The only reason this skill has any value is the energy increase. Outside of that it is useless outside of saving you a few seconds in some places with shortcuts. Which is why this skill needs a light rework and have things like accuracy, crit and dodge/parry/block elements added to the game that involves agility as the core thing that controls those elements passively.
Mining should not be under woodcutting, mining offers a way to build your character towards melee as you move on, woodcutting does not. Mining is worthy of mediocre, samething with Cooking because it allows to get a food supply which is required to survive PVM encounters. The need of a log for cooking is not always mandatory because there are cooking spots that require no logs to burn which completely turns woodcutting irrelevant outside of fletching.
Woodcutting is the worst skill in the game, no debate. The use of logs has been nerfed over the years when it comes to firemaking, they made bonfire boosts, then made a permanent bonfire boost in the hub, they made permanent cooking spots more accessible. This impacts both firemaking and woodcutting. Woodcutting supplies the logs, if the logs are not required to cook anymore, that makes woodcutting extra useless and mostly focused in fletching department now. Plus the skill is outdated just like how mining and smithing were, there is no chance woodcutting can compare to mining after the rework. Mining and smithing allow for elder rune sets, which is a cheap introduction to bossing. Plus masterwork sets being currently endgame stuff for melee. Woodcutting allows the player to get incense sticks and ranged ammo, along with few ranged weapons to fletch.
Hunter -> mediocre, it's not decent because the food you get from hunter is mostly garbage. If meat had more value in terms of healing, hunter would be more valuable than fishing. As it is right now, it isn't, so it is only fair to put it next to fishing in terms of utility longterm.
Construction -> on top of bad tier, massive skill that serves little to no purpose right now. I know it helps with a few things here and there, like the storage, armour repair stand and probably 1 or 2 more things (like the new fort). These are 1 time things, things that could be good to use, but since it is a 1 time thing to unlock, the skill overall suffers from that issue where it lacks a purpose in the current landscape of the game.
I mean, if you think Hunter's purpose is to gather meat, then the entirety of your Hunter experience probably comes from lamps. Meat is the single most useless product gained from Hunter. That's like saying that Smithing is bad because ceremonial swords aren't endgame viable.
@@xyarlo9369 Looks like reading comprehension is not your thing. No where did i state that the focus of hunter is to gather meat alone, it is one of the key components of being a hunter, but meat in general is trash in this game when it comes to healing purposes which is why i compared it to fishing, which is the main healing source. A good portion of the creatures you hunt will give you meat, since meat has little to no use, it devalues the skill in the end because the healing part of the skill is not there.
Hunter as it is, it tries to do a little bit of what other skills already do but falls short in the long run. It's easily the lowest decent skill in the list or has to be brought down to mediocre.
Hunter would have had a much greater role, if it had a purpose similar to mining. And a more in depth source of unique resources like bones and skins (on top of meat actually being usefull). Then crafting would be tied in with turning those skins/bones into gear. This would make the skill decent or good even. But as it is, it's a hard pass.
@@CHT1992 I have no idea why you're so keen about the idea of meat being an essential part of Hunter. If meat were any good, Fishing would become completely useless. What about Summoning materials, salamanders, chinchompas, charms, scarabs, juju potions, BGH rewards or grenwall spikes? I'm still not sure if you've ever trained Hunter other than with lamps.
@@xyarlo9369 I am keen of that idea because the old skills could use updates to make them have a deeper purpose, instead of ignoring them and dishing out new skills all the time. More reworks like mining and smithing would help the game much more than having another new skill to grind every 2-3 years. They should instead make skill reworks (in pairs) every 2 years and release a new skill every 4 years untill reworks are done.
Fishing would not become useless if meat was around. Fishing and banking is much easier than doing hunter for meat and banking (and like i mentioned, meat is one of the many components from hunter). Plus there are many ways to spread out the benefits of each type of food in the game. Fishes being the cheaper option for gp/heal due to amounts but meat could be used as a temporary source of boosts, making the use of spices even more relevant for all kinds of things, could even add plates to make meat based dishes work similar to pies or stew.
Summoning materials? That is the next useless thing about hunter, tell me, who is going to do hunter to get specific supplies to then create summoning pouches. Only iron accounts will do that, and there are much easier ways to get cheap ingredients and in much faster quantities without having to do hunter for supplies. The only relevant ingredients from what i recall that come from hunter is raw bird meat (comes from npc store in stacks of 300 daily, so no purpose to hunt for these) and the arctic bear fur for the hunter boost, everything else is a waste of money/charms.
Salamanders? Not even sure if that is a viable thing to do anymore, it might be easier to get ammo now on your own with the farming update, but i sincerely doubt people are going to bother with it for too long unless irons.
Charms? This goes directly towards what i stated, hunter tries to be many things but falls short in the long run. If you want to get charms, i would say the main source of those is PVM and i believe most people do this since you can afk for charms...
Scarabs is probably the one good thing about hunter right now that will stick with you longterm because it is utility. The only other exception is chins.
BGH is bad for endgame, tier 3 dinos (the highest ones) are worst money makers when compared to tier 2, tier 1 even beats tier 3 dinos unless you get extremelly luck with tier 3. Only reason to do BGH is totem pieces and get a pair of d mattocks, beyond that i would sincerely just put the content in the shelves. Maul itself is not that great of an item, if it was a scythe instead of a maul, this item would have way more value and meaning to it, but since it is a maul... meh.
Juju pots, i'm going to be honest, i've rarely used these. And when i decided to use them, perfect plus potion was released. Which makes the entire concept of using hunter to make juju pots completely useless and a waste of time early on. Which ties in with what i said about hunter trying to be a bit of everything but falls short in the long run.
As for my experience with the skill, i got my way to 99 around when protean traps were released, i got my first protean traps reward after i got 99. I did mostly red chins and then grenwalls. I haven't touched hunter that much outside of some new updates here and there for a short amount of time. But my 99-120 grind is mostly derived from elder gods dungeon 3 skill plots outside of croesus. You can literally afk the skill there and make some money in return, literally makes hunter more enjoyable and less of a an issue to deal with. Because i sincerely hated leveling up this skill pre-proteans to 99.
You tried calling me out on the lamps, you failed, i maxed my account in 2015 with majority of the grind being done PRE-EOC, back then, lamping to max was not as big of an issue as it is right now, i do recall doing some xp rewards from monthly or weekly stuff but that is about it. You would have to buy lots of keys for that if i had to rely on TH alone back then, while the current state of the game allows like 300k+ xp per day easily from free keys if using the right promotions. And there is no way in hell i would put that xp towards an easy skill like hunter. I do however use these xp rewards towards buyables or skills i consider annoying to level up beyond 99. This does not "ruin" the experience or knowledge with a skill, taking a long break from the game and then returning would cause more damage than using lamps/stars on a skill. Taking a long break implies loosing knowledge overtime and missing out on updates, it happened to me, but i caught up eventually.
Can't imagine how this has so many dislikes... 😬😬😬
"These skills are useless because I just buy everything so the plebs can do it for me."
My amazing skill list is slayer, invention, herblore and archeology
i think prayer shuld be s tier for the simple fact that if you dont pray at a lot of bosses youre just done and sent to death office lol
This is why everyone should play Ironman. The content is actually more useful to do and you can't just buy all the things you need (whether with in-game gp or IRL money).
Magic deserves "Amazing tier". Want combat jewellery? You need magic. Want to fight bosses? You need magic. Want to zoom as fast as sanic? You need magic (and powerburst of accel). Want to visit any city in like 3 ticks? You need magic. Want jewellery for skilling? Guess what, you also need magic. Personally, I would've ranked first (and invention second and arch third).
Also, with the bait and switch arch relic, you don't even need cooking to cook fish, which means cooking deserve an exclusive "irrelevant" tier.
MY OPINION:
Amazing: invention, herb, prayer, summoning, slayer. (Good for all, absurd money making, allows true pvm)
Good: arch, dg, all combat styles (useful for several things, minimum for pvm)
Decent: divination, RC, FM, smithing (good money making, gives some boosts, essentially afk or really not troublesome to train)
Mediocre: crafting, farming, mining, construction, hunting (meh. Not useless, gives some money some times).
Bad: agility, fletching, fishing, cooking, thieving, woodcutting (essentially useless)
I'd swap Cooking and Woodcutting. At least with Cooking you can cook Rocktail and Sailfish soup.
as a new rs3 player the only placement im curious about is agility being in the good tier. Isnt the whole skill just buying silverhawk feathers?
Could you do this list but for ironmen accounts to? Like cooking is importent for iron for a while and i dont realy think any skill would realy be in the bad tier on a iron. mining is good for potion flasks and crystal flasks. woodcuting for those bolts + elder logs for notepaper, cooking would defenitly be good on a iron to.
Cooking will only be important as long as you don't have 99 archeology. He states this in numerous comments, but at 99 arch, you get the perk bait and switch which cooks every fish you get, making Cooking pointless.... but only when you get 99 archeology
Hey bro just want to know if the 4060 in laptop good enough for rs3?
yup. playing with a 1650x rn
Playing with 3060 and mediocre cpu in laptop, I get 150 fps with everything on Ultra.
Yeah, that's completely overkill for runescape.
U could probably play anything with that haha
noted. the best skills are the ones that benefit other skills
Incorrect, woodcutting is actually the greatest skill in runescape, and I should know, I have 987 million experience in woodcutting on my main account, as well as 120 woodcutting on the fsw.
Prayer is s tier - soulsplit is needed for literally all of remotely high level pvm
I dont understand why hes like you can just buy what the skill does but someone has to do the action or its not in the ge unless its on a drop table
the ones you say are worst are actually the fun skills, and if you are an Ironman they would be way up
Dung is actually really good, but since the skill cap varies depending on you individually, the rank will vary
Never considered Dung a skill. It's basically a mini-game
now do ironman tier list for skill your toon will change real quick, i bet you going be more critical with the skills and in-death with the the this half-A$$ video. you make a great video
I'm surprised there's no consideration on how enjoyable or unenjoyable the skill is, or how effective the skill portrays training/using it thematically. Considering that for most players, training a skill is going to be a main objective most of the time for most of their goals, it seems appropriate to include how fun/relaxing/boring/monotonous they are.
It would be very opinion based
@@epicmonkeydrunk It's already very opinion based. The whole video is his opinion of the skills. I'm just saying it would have been interesting to see if he also included his opinion of their fun/grind factor on top of his opinion on their effectiveness.
I have no idea how you can justify putting dungeoneering in good its literally so bad that the way people train it is by not training it I genuinely think that if dungeoneering was removed the game would be better
I'm pretty sure you can only get brawlers gloves while in the wildy now, so thieving is at least that much less useful than it used to be
Skip to 14:15 for the content u came for
Magic is in S tier imo
Dungeoneering isn't a skill.. it's a mini game.
Imagine being an iron man and seeing this list. Sure makes you think that you don’t need to chop trees, mine ore, or cook any of your food because of the GE… oh wait.. I can’t use the GE. In that case, the whole list needs to shift lol.
wc is the most useful skill I currently have, because of croesus :D
It's a shame some skills aren't super useful. I loved training thieving and found safe cracking really fun
Mining being in bad kind of makes no sense, it got alot better since the rework, deserves a mediocre for me. I'd move firemaking into bad because.. it's literally bad the entire skill is just putting logs on a fire. ''Bad'' tier I'd see as skills that are desperately in need of a rework.
Surely by definition if magic is so much better than the other combat styles it should be a higher tier? lol
This is why I'm so glad I switched to Ironman. I hated that everything felt worthless if it didn't make good money.
Dung is a mini game.
Cooking should be next to fishing
I can't stand agility. It takes to long to train, no matter what level you are. I gave up leveling it beyond level 80
I'd say this is a better useful video, but, I'd say it'd be more informational if you stated if this list was for regular players or Ironmen. Because this list is totally wrong for Ironmen.
its in the start of the video (textually)