"Should Christians Vote for Trump?" Eric Metaxas & David French Debate
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- Watch David French and Eric Metaxas discuss the pros and cons of voting for Trump this election season at John Brown University.
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Best quote "A voting block is not the right way to refer to the church.' And that's the most important thing said in this entire debate.
Control what a man thinks you control what he does.......Jim Jones ring a bell.
Thanks for this debate. A great demonstration of how some earthly things are truly disputable, there is not a simple "Christian" answer. Both men made very good, thought-provoking points. Re the comments below that French says to "stand for Biden..." or that he will vote for the Democrat: French didn't state either; when pressed by Metaxas, he said that he will not vote for either Trump or Biden. The world will know we are Christians by our love, and I don't think someone reading the comments below would see evidence of that; I would love to see Christians lead the way in demonstrating how to disagree with respect, humility, and kindness.
I love your sentiment. I truly do and agree. Yet, my quibbling will be over the finer details. Christians do disagree with each other, and we should do a much better job in the "how" we do it, but I will submit to you that my idea of respect, humility and kindness includes moments of bluntness, self-discipline in anger, perhaps elevated volume ( the subject itself is a matter of varying opinions ). Discussion, conversation, debate, are not by definition or absolutely threatening, nor "of the Flesh", but it can surely go that route. Confession: Whenever I hear a very good call and reminder to show respect or kindness, I wonder by whose definition are we going by? A Conservative Christian definition? Progressive Christian? And therein lies the rub.
interesting to listen to this debate today 2022........
Thank you JBU for taking the time and effort to have these two men discuss the thoughts of Christianity and the election. It unfortunately was less informative than I was hoping for but worth my time to watch.
It is clear that Donald Trump's rhetoric has already had a significant corrosive effect on our discourse.
Multiple comments below accuse David French (who carries by far the *less* popular position) of being cowardly, of "fancying wearing women's undergarments" and being "limp wristed." French is a former marine, who takes this kind of abuse continually and with courage.
The left already engaged in this kind of gutter rhetoric for years, but it has become mainstream "conservative" evangelical discourse these last few years... and it's both wrong and sad.
We're supposed to be the party of ideas, conservatives. Let's have ideas, and then speak about them in a manner that adequately reflects the gravity of their importance.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This comments section has been so disheartening. Lord have mercy on us.
No Christian should vote for the vile satanic trump regime
Agreed but did we get here because of trump or the media’s hatred towards trump? I think it’s the media’s constant claims of racism, lying, and the like.
@Darrell Stetler II
While it is laudable to appeal to the better nature or ideals of your ingroup, demonising the left (an outgroup) is a bit hypocritical if you can't substantiate your claims about them.
The comment section is grossly unfair to French, but you are also doing the same thing to the left.
@@zjtay - GREAT QUESTION!
Metaxas you did us a favor for giving us many facts to gently share. Prayers for you and yours to stay with God all your days
Yes!!! To do what you said you would do! That is character.
You misunderstood character and now people have been murdered and the American republic is in peril.
'What did DT do in the face of the pandemic?' He did what any reasonable leader would do, He acted on the information he was given and refused to panic over information he was not given. What would David French have done?
I would have asked French to dissect the error of the Graham family who support Donald Trump.
'and then we respect that ...' exactly the same way you respected Obama I'm certain .. eye roll ...
Where does this guy get his information? CNN? NY Times? FAceBook?
Pretty much.
also I remmeber the verse when Jesus said if thou art besieged by a battleship attack with weapons. .. I think it was Eric 2 : 37.
why on earth wear masks when you are all 6 feet apart.
But I like the introduction.
It's interesting that Eric Metaxas said the only "fiction" David French said was on voting third party. Does that mean everything else French said is true? ;)
I meet Mr. French is very kind and i read some work Metaxas he constricts some of heroes.
Yes, we called liars, liars .. because that's what they are ... or does that not matter to eric Metaxas ?
I've just listened to this exchange (May 2022) in England. Firstly, the exchanges were all-over the place. For a debate of such importance, there should have been more structure to include a concentration on topics or themes. Secondly, I'm wondering whether David French feels somewhat embarrassed about Biden being caught out blatantly lying about not knowing about his son's 'business' connections with Ukraine and China, not to mention Biden's aggressive woke agenda since becoming President. Thirdly, French, unlike Metaxas, failed to understand that the political sphere operates under different constraints from the Christian, biblical sphere. The former is predicated on trade-offs, while engaging with the latter, as much as possible, involves eliminating moral and other trade-offs, while in the reality of practice, a Christian's life rarely escapes such trade-offs.
Fry: Limp wrists just don't go around here. Sabe? // Well done, again, Metaxas!
"American Grace" ? Methinks Jay Bruce's Freudian slip was showing.
also Phil vischer the creator of Veggie tales won't even have Metaxas on his show anymore because of his political views .
This didn't age well.
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. I'll give that he wasn't a drunkard.
how about his pose with eveangelical leader Jerry falwell Jr. in front of his favorite Playboy memoirs proudly hung on the wall? Maybe that would be reason enough to distance yourself from such a man.
Oh that's right Jerry Jr was disavowed ofr his scandolous behavior .. but trump is a far better man ...
David, you've admirably concerned yourself over the course of your career with the preservation of religious liberty in America. Do you think that if Hillary Clinton had become President of the United States the federal judiciary (which now includes over 200 judges appointed by Donald Trump) would be as inclined - as it now increasingly seems to be - to protect our First Amendment rights?
Absolutely and as we've seen from the undermining of our democracy, she would have done us well.
Who elsected him? .... a moral minority, thats a disdain for a minority of voters. Not the American people a sa whole Metaxas.
'by the grace of God.' then you clearly take the Lord's name in vain.
Eric Metaxes' situational ethics is appalling. He tolerates behavior in Trump that he never would have tolerated in Clinton. I find his hypocrisy revolting.
French throws out unsupported allegations.
Metaxas said Biden was a "cardboard cutout," and this is what you come up with?
I thought it was Metaxas who threw out the unsupported allegations. Biden is neither a puppet of the far left nor is he beholden to them. He’s clearly a centrist. No matter how hard you try you cannot make a radical left-wing cultural Marxist out of plain old Joe Biden. That is when I quit listening.
I used to have such respect for David French. He will stand up there and tell you not to vote for POTUS but in 2016 they tried to draft him to run and he refused. How upstanding of him. smh If he can vote for the Democrats out of spite, he's not worth my time to ever write about.
Let you who are without any faults be the first to throw your spear.
@@jamesbonde253 He wrote his opinion, put it in the public forum. I was kinder than most would have been and have been. If it is unkind to disagree we ALL might as well keep our opinions to ourselves.
@@debracarey2129 excellent point. What do we do about those whiners that are easily offended?
There is nothing I or you can do. They need to do the changing.
@@debracarey2129 you sound like a responsible person.
Bwell.
David French is exactly right. I’ll always listen to the man who doesn’t have a dog in the race, who speaks with reason and knowledge. That’s David French.
Metaxas is a shame, from his opening line. He foments fear and woe.
I find it amazing how many people defend Trump knowing about his low moral character. Instead I see even in this comment section many people avoiding that fact. I guess end justifies means to you so called 'christians' .
David French’s hyperbole is nauseating. He’s a well spoken exaggerator who’s arguments have not aged well. His inability to draw stark comparison between Trump’s mixed bag of policy and character and Biden’s polices and atrocious political record.
I think French is blinded by his own intellect and doesn’t see that he’s a hammer for the left.
If morality was the case then Joe would not make it and neither would Trump or the men called by God in the bible. God calls those that are willing to change and willing to do the right thing.
'Most of those people need to get a life' Eric Metaxas. And Jesus said those that call their brothers fools guilty enough to be thrown into hell. Anyone seeing the clear difference here?
The craziness of American Christians is that you need a debate to work out who to vote for. 6 months later the answer is obvious and It didn't really work out well for Christian conservatives.
also, Metaxas doesn't seem to have a Biblical understanding of what demons are.... which makes consistent sense since his faith has also been disassociated from his real world views on politics. and his sense of humor.
I came to this for a strong Christian rationale for supporting Trump. I'm going away disappointed.
Is there no argument for this man that is christian, coherently logical and does not smack of hypocrisy and ignorance?
Is it possible that Metaxas is this ignorant about history, his opponents' politics and economics? Or is he just a dishonest man?
'I don't know how my dentist feels about the holy spirit ...' Which sums up Metaxas views in a nutshell, completely divorcing any faith in Christ he may have in favor of placing his ideological favoritism for a political candidate. If you didn't know and still need to this is actually unchristian at it's core.
I prefer an atheist who is able to respect the Constitution over a Bible thumper who has no respect for the actual words of Jesus Christ regarding "authority."
Matthew 20:
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
David French: PLEASE STOP SAYING Y'ALL. You are condescending.
He’s from Tennessee. It’s how he speaks. Listen to his podcast, it’s not unusual for him to say. Stop being shallow.
Metaxas needs to stop saying "Damn"!
David should really not try to pull off saying "y'all"
Well done Eric. Very balanced view and explanation. Trump is a hard and rough guy, yet compared to the Leftist, Democrat radicalism of debauchery, there is no comparison.
This definitely aged well
We’re not electing a Sunday school teacher....
Nope, that would have been Hillary Clinton.
Wow this French guy is awfully angry...does not flow in grace.
I’m confused, Mr. French.
As a person who has faith in God and His Word, I’m supposed to stand against DJT and stand for Biden...and Pelosi...and AOC?
You’re quite deceived.
DJT may not know Jesus, but he defends the unborn. He supports freedom...to GO TO CHURCH AND WORSHIP.
His words might be offensive, and he has certainly done things that are immoral; however....let’s look at what he’s done for the American people as President.
Also, maybe you should do some research and learn about the many people he has generously given to over the years. The people who are close to him have shared about them. You should check it out.
We have, you should be embarrassed. The bible warned you about people who tickle your ears and who claim Christ but are godless. Now we have an electorate that denies election results, assaults our institutions and threatens secession and civil war. Yes, you are confused. Democrats aren't taking away anyone's ability to take away church and worship. If you understood that Christian principles of mask wearing and not giving a deadly plague to others, was anti-freedom. Well the bible does say it's exactly that. You don't have the freedom as a follower of Christ t harm others especially in the name of religion. Yes, very confused.
Soy Boy French is all emotion, no logic, y'all
@semmel you're hilarious
@semmel do you know what the poll numbers were in 2016? Do you know what supression polls are?
@semmel you're completely wrong. Get back with me after this year's votes are counted.
@semmel I'm not going to waste my time doing research for you. You are perfectly capable.
You should look up the word “logic”. I don’t think you understand the word.
"... Y'all." French sounds so stupid and condescending when he keeps saying, "Y'all". He's really quite irritating to listen to.
He’s a Tennessean... it’s how they speak. Grow up.
French's arguments are tight but not nearly as tight as Metaxas' pants.
David almost uses all the “evidences”based on media propaganda which mostly not the facts. And he’s gone too far from Christian faith foundation, after all, this debate is about “Should Christians vote for Trump”. I don’t know if I’m the only one that for a few moments sensed his loose and sloppy grasps on our Christian belief..sadly.
May The Lord have mercy!
Well Done, Eric!
Sadly French spouts media leftist narrative. Go Eric, you took off the gloves in the second section.