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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2022
- An interesting reel from my collection that reflects a moment in time, in 1964 looking back at the decisions made in the mid 1940's to use the atomic bomb to end WWII in the Pacific. This reel is part one of a two-parter, of which the second reel is lost. The film was released by the US Atomic Energy Commission and as always I transferred the film using my own Telecine.
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Hearing these events described by the decision makers on both sides, and in their own words, is of great historical and cultural significance. Thanks for sharing!
I was really fascinated by this, and it stopped just at the point when it got really interesting! Hopefully the fact that you've published the first half helps bring the second half to light.
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This better stick, no copyright trolls, this is historical record. Documentation that transcends petty monetary issues...
Fran, pretty cool. I've toured the Graphite Reactor at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, TN. The reactor is amazing technology and the logbook recorded the day the United States entered the Atomic Age (5 AM November 4, 1943 it went critical with over 31 tons of natural uranium inside. I believe when it was fully loaded, it had 54 tons of natural uranium inside.
I visited a science & history museum in Oak Ridge where they cover the WWII development and production of the U-235 in great detail. (I think it's the American Museum of Science and Energy.) It was a huge operation, as one might expect, where almost nobody had any clue what they were producing the stuff for. Long after the bombs went off and the war was over, probably just before this reel was produced, it became generally known what the program was for. I don't envy anyone that had to make the mental leap from "I'm refining a mysterious mineral" to "I helped flatten & irradiate Japanese cities," especially since most of those people weren't military.
Oh no, a cliffhanger! How will we ever know how it ends without the second reel.
Excellent, Fran, thank you! Gave me chills...
Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for sharing this!
So very timely. Good job on the x-fer as always. Brilliant! Thanks Fran
8:38 guy looks a lot like Turing...I wonder if they used stock footage for the Oak Ridge sections for security purposes
This is absolutely gripping thank you
I won’t glorify using such horrific weapons in any way. What we did was disgusting and nuclear destruction is at 25% chance right now according to an MIT professor. I want nothing to do with this insanity.
As much as I have read about the Manhattan District -- mostly physics and technology -- this was the crowning report! Thank you!
Absolutely fascinating video !
Wow, so that's the whole sad and tragic story. I know it was a case of who and when and where the Japanese would strike but It still breaks my heart when innocent people are in the way of it's rulers and their war monger ways. RIP all that died.
Great video. Too bad you don't have part 2.
Thanks Fran, this is noble work. Intense film.
It was not so much the decision for the first bomb, but the second, which appeared to be to frighten the USSR rather than Japan which I think wanted to find a means to peace, that concerned me. Of course the Soviet Union were being passed / soon to have the bomb option capability too , leading to the balance of non-use that depended entirely on rational decision of those powers that had such capability
Thank you for your great work
Thank you for providing to me the film, 'The Decision To Drop The Bomb (1964)''. I found it immensely informative and believe others would find it to be the same. I hope that you, one day soon, realise Part 2 in a similar fashion.
Fascinating I've never seen this before. 😘
Is this the first half of an hour long presentation? .....not that we don't know how it ends.... but still, the abrupt end took me by surprise.
It is amazing how there is a reality not too far from our own where the first nuclear bomb used in anger fell on Kyoto. Hiroshima was the lesser of two extreme evils. The philosophy of using those bombs is still hotly debated, but the fact remains that they were used, japan surrendered after two were dropped, and the aptly acronymed M.A.D. strategy that developed from the first Cold War is why there has not yet been a World War 3.
jeez...! thanks for uploading
🤔 Just When It Was Getting So Interesting.........It Cuts Out, Please Find That Other Half Of The 📽
Through the whole film I was thinking that Uncle Joe (Stalin) already had the plans for the Fat Man in his back pocket, and they needn't have agonized so long about telling him. The very first Soviet nuke was based on the Fat Man/Los Alamos "gadget" implosion design.
Very interesting, it seems to capture the thoughts of what key decision makers did and why. Even in hindsight, I haven't heard any dramatic differences compared to other historical studies. I didn't know Kyoto was the first target which Stimson removed so that left Hiroshima. We also heard directly or at least indirectly from letters read aloud by those closest to those people. This film also directly states how Japan was being bombed on a regular basis of incredible brutality. But then it was not like all of sudden Truman learned of the bomb. It illustrates that there were a lot of dynamic activity which the bomb was just a part of this global war.
Perhaps others have posted this film. I trust your technical and personal skills to telecine the film entirety without editing so all of us can see it completely.
I wonder why the second reel is lost ? Beast Regards Jack
Why would it not be lost? Film reels are not bolted together you know.
@@FranLab Anyone else have prints of these films
Could it be in National Archives or NBC's archives?
Chilling documentary. It's so easy to judge decisions of yesterday today, but stakes were high. I'd probably drop the bomb on Peenemünde (V-1 and V-2 rocket research & production facility) and Wolfsschanze or Berlin. Generally, a military target whose takedown would be crushing to Nazi operational ability and morale.
Pity about the second part being lost.
5:27 Nagra spotted! A thing of beauty...
Back in high school in the 1970s, when we were discussing the John Hersey book Hiroshima in class, I shocked the class by saying that, despite my general stance in favor of pacifism, had I been president instead of Truman I would have used the bomb on Japan. I suspect many people in that position would have done the same. Perhaps we could have chosen a target that would cause fewer casualties , or arranged a visual demonstration of the bomb for a Japanese ambassador; But I suspect that most of us in that position at that time would have used the bomb. It was either that or a long slow ground invasion of Japan with guerilla warfare and fighting the populace in the streets. Nobody will fight to the death like a population that has their homeland invaded.
@@goodun2974 The bomb wasn't needed anymore, the war was over. Nuking civilians only was a war crime. Even most of the military didn't want to use the bomb. Documents show that they wanted to show the russians what they a capable of. It wasn't even about japan.
Totally a proof-of-concept for the USSR.
@@tiefensucht you're completely wrong.
The war in Germany was already won when the bomb was completed.
Thank you for this.
EMI claims copyright on the 4 seconds of Beatles music.
Even if it does predate them.......
Good Stuff!
Thanks a lot!
Fran, I has seen other You-Potatos (Tubers) display a disclaimer referring to "Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976". Fair use for educational and research uses is not an infringement under that section. Have you tried using such disclaimers for your transferred EDUCATIONAL films? BTW I wish NHK World would show this every August when they air shows about the bombings.
Not needed since the US Govt productions have no legal copyright on them ( since they were made with taxpayer money ) (UK Crown Copyright restrictions are slightly different but lapse after 50 years generally for non-commercial use )
the second reel is lost...... it figures. :)
That is some rough history.
Yes
when you say "of which the second reel is lost." do you mean your second reel? or it doesn't exist anywhere? These historical films really make you think about alternate scenarios, like what if FDR hadn't died in office? or suppose Einstein wasn't Jewish & never fled Germany to the US. The world would be a much different place today..
Excellent! It is sometimes suggested that the Japanese were preparing to surrender when the bomb was dropped, or that it could have been demonstrated at a desert location and so forth.
I disagree. The bomb did shorten the war and forestalled a massive infantry assault on the islands.
Regardless, Truman had no choice but to use the bomb.
The vast cost of the Manhattan Project, and the huge effort it represented made any other decision impossible. Had Tryman declined, his SECDEF and others would have resigned and started blabbing. He would have been impeached. The Democrats would be destroyed.
What an extraordinary piece of film 👍🙂 watching and listening to those characters who ultimately changed World history forever.
Everyone has his or her own opinion about the dropping of the Atomic bombs. I've always had mixed feelings about the subject.
The Japanese after the first bomb was dropped could not comprehend what had vaporised a thriving city, killed tens of thousands of people and burned tens of thousands more with radiation.
If the Germans had sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind how on Earth could the Japanese put it all into context?
...Watch movie AKIRA after this...
This vid itself is history with names like Chet Huntley and McGeorge Bundy out front.
I always heard that Hiroshima was targeted due to bad weather at Kyoto. I never heard this version.
I believe you might be thinking of a different city, as the primary target (Kokura) for the second mission was overcast, leading to the targeting of Nagasaki in its stead.
Actually, Kyoto was the originally proposed target. It was vetoed by Secretary of state Stettinius because while it was an important cultural city for Japan, it wasn't a particularly important military target.
Shame about the missing stuff. Anti-climactic.
The fact that you still had isolated Japanese soldiers fighting the war 30 years after the war ended is pretty good evidence that their decision to drop the bomb to prevent an apocalyptic slaughter via land invasion of Japan was a good call.
Except for the fact the US didn't want japan to surrender because then they wouldn't be able to demonstrate the bombs.
The minds of the people in Japan & the USA at the time who appear in the movie show a sense they are very mature & methodical probably as the World at that time was at War. Cut to today's situation & what's happening Russia, Ukraine etc and the minds of the sorts of Leaders we have now.... For me (personally) things sure 'aint looking all that good...