The Meaning of LIFE, According to NIETZSCHE
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A synthesis of all ideas of Nietzsche’s affirmative philosophy as we have discussed it this season. Join me as I dare to embark on the challenge of answering, on Nietzsche’s behalf, that age-old question… What is the meaning of life?
Episode art: Joseph Werner - Diana of Ephesus as allegory of Nature, c. 1680
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This content is worth wayyyy more than 5 dollars. If I was rich, I’d pay you millions. This has done better than anything else to help me in my understand of Nietzsche. Especially a deeper more esoteric understanding. Truly can’t find this level of depth anywhere else
Your discourse on Nietzsche is the best on CZcams! Thank you x10 !!!!!
You may be a poet, but you’re not lying about that. 🙏🏻
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Good lord, your reading and discussion are very pleasant and informative. Thank you a million times.
Very informative
Your channel is no doubt authority on Nietzche. The way and mastery in which you speak about Nietzche is simply classic.
I can only echo the other comments: quite brilliant, profound and subtle. I feel sure that you are helping more people appreciate and understand Nietzsche - and indeed philosophy - than anyone else now. These lectures are masterful. I am sure Nietzsche would have endorsed you!
Agreed
Another stunningly good rundown of Niietzsche's project, and how it might be used by people to better themselves and embrace life. Have to listen again and consider carefuly the ideas presented here before commenting further. Very deep stuff.
@Marco Müller His sister was the proto-Nazi, not Nietzsche. She selectively twisted a few of his ideas to fit her proto-fascist German Nationalisim political ideology.
There's plenty to criticize about Nietzsche, but Nazism isn't one of them. If you really want to criticize a philosophy as inspiring and comforting Nazis, look into how they used Budhism's nihilism to excuse their atrocities, and how ancient Greek art and Architecture inspired Hitler's genocidal aesthetic program.
...Just sayin'...
I wasnt very hopeful, but I gotta say, you really brought this to the level that was needed in order to seriously tackle something carrying this title
Welcome to essential salts. For me it’s been the best explanation of very subtle and deep philosophy. The quotes he picks are icing on the cake
I’m gonna watch it then…
I love your channel on Nietzche, sir.
Thank you.
Such a wonderful reading !
Thank you Sir 🙏🏻
00:29 🧘 Nietzsche emphasizes the limitations of memory and the superficiality of conscious thoughts, highlighting the importance of the physical body and unconscious instincts in shaping our actions.
01:28 📜 Nietzsche criticizes blind faith and stresses that faith in him or any other figure does not bring true happiness or blessings.
02:53 💡 Nietzsche contrasts the Western pursuit of permanent, indestructible being with the Buddhist concept of emptiness and impermanence, highlighting the differences in philosophical perspectives.
05:17 🌌 Nietzsche explores the idea that all that exists within the world of impermanence is essentially a parable, and true substance lies in what is eternal and permanent.
08:35 🙏 Zarathustra challenges the notion of spirit as an abstract, permanent entity, asserting that true essence lies in the physical, embodied existence.
10:44 📚 Nietzsche suggests that all gods and ideals, including his own concept of the "overman," are poetic creations of imperfect humans, revealing their values and virtues.
14:29 🎭 Nietzsche acknowledges the inherent deception and incompleteness in art and poetry, recognizing himself as a poet and participant in this artistic process.
19:12 ⚖ Nietzsche presents the body as the true source of human impulses and desires, asserting that the conscious mind should humble itself before the body's commands.
20:46 🙏 Nietzsche encourages a love of fate and rejects the notion of faith, emphasizing that his philosophy should not be blindly followed but critically examined.
22:37 📖 The discussion revolves around summarizing Nietzsche's revaluation and affirmative philosophy, exploring how it relates to the meaning of life.
23:05 🤔 The aim is to describe Nietzsche's new form of spirituality, how it impacts practical life, and synthesize key ideas like the Übermensch, eternal return, Will To Power, and Amor Fati.
24:23 📚 Nietzsche's philosophy isn't a step-by-step guide but rather a perspective that doesn't offer a universal doctrine or way of life.
25:45 🧐 The interpretation of Nietzsche's work can vary, but it's possible to create a coherent presentation of his affirmative philosophy based on what he wrote in his books.
26:44 💡 Nietzsche's philosophy must avoid dogmatism and recognize the contextual and relative nature of life advice.
27:16 🧑🎓 The podcast aims to engage with historical figures' thoughts and contexts without projecting modern ideas onto them.
28:20 🧐 The goal is to understand what past figures would think of us rather than imposing our judgments on them.
30:21 🤔 Nietzsche's philosophy doesn't provide a one-size-fits-all answer to life's meaning, emphasizing the importance of individuality and self-discovery.
31:19 🌟 Nietzsche's philosophy encourages individuals to find their own way, promoting self-awareness and personal growth.
32:44 🤯 Self-knowledge is a lifelong quest, and Nietzsche acknowledges that it's a complex, ongoing process.
33:12 🔍 Nietzsche challenges the idea of a "true world" beyond sensory perception and focuses on the real world as perceived by the senses.
35:41 🌏 Nietzsche rejects metaphysics and emphasizes starting from sensory perception to understand the world.
37:07 🤯 Nietzsche proposes the concept of "Will To Power" as an observable basis for understanding the behavior of the world and life.
39:27 🔄 Nietzsche's "Will To Power" explains the fundamental drive in all things, emphasizing expansion, domination, and creation.
43:09 🧐 Nietzsche distinguishes his concept of "Will To Power" from mere existence, emphasizing the dynamic nature of life's drives.
44:29 🌍 Nietzsche's concept of "Will To Power" is a fundamental principle that explains various aspects of human life, psychology, and behavior.
45:00 🤔 Nietzsche argues that the desire for power is at the root of all human motivations, even seemingly selfless acts.
45:31 💪 Selfishness and selflessness are not opposites but gradations of the same thing, driven by the Will To Power.
46:01 🌟 Nietzsche contrasts authentic self-discovery with identity imposed by society and culture, emphasizing the role of Will To Power in shaping motivations.
46:58 🧐 Nietzsche contends that all moralities involve self-overcoming, challenging weaknesses, and striving for something greater.
47:51 🌎 Nietzsche sees Will To Power as a fundamental principle empirically manifested in the world, challenging the idea of transcendence or divine purpose in life.
49:39 🚫 Nietzsche criticizes Stoicism and other ideologies that deny life's true nature, emphasizing that life is indifferent, arbitrary, and devoid of transcendent value.
51:14 🔄 Nietzsche distinguishes between life-affirming and anti-life philosophies, arguing that some ideologies prioritize an afterlife over earthly existence.
53:07 💡 Nietzsche suggests that raising awareness of life's fundamental nature can lead to new judgments and assessments of one's way of life.
55:07 🎨 Nietzsche describes life as an experiment in hazard, daring to reshape one's world and manifest one's Will To Power.
57:27 💪 Nietzsche asserts that life is about self-overcoming, issuing commands to oneself, and the choice to command or be commanded.
59:23 🤔 Nietzsche challenges the notion of a will to exist, emphasizing that Will To Power is the essence of life.
01:00:08 📏 Nietzsche asserts that humans value power and express their Will To Power through judgments and preferences.
01:02:27 🔄 Nietzsche highlights how even those in positions of servitude find ways to gain power and expresses life's nature as Will To Power.
01:04:46 🤯 Nietzsche challenges Schopenhauer's idea of the will to live, asserting that life sacrifices itself for power.
01:05:14 🤷 Nietzsche argues that humans engage in the fundamental activity of valuing and measuring, which is a manifestation of Will To Power.
01:06:35 💥 Nietzsche describes life as a constant struggle and competition for power among living beings.
01:07:37 🎭 Nietzsche believes that the good life can be justified aesthetically, particularly through the tragic perspective that values beauty and aesthetics in life.
01:08:03 🌌 Nietzsche contrasts cheerful fatalism with the theoretic approach of Socrates, emphasizing the divide between embracing life's entropic nature and seeking to improve it through reason.
01:08:56 🤔 Nietzsche criticizes Socrates for his irrational pursuit of truth and ironical aesthetic judgment, opposing Socrates' optimism with a pessimistic, life-affirming worldview.
01:10:15 🔄 The tragic aesthetic celebrates life's entropic and unpredictable nature, embracing its flaws and acknowledging the inevitability of downfall.
01:12:42 ⚡ Nietzsche identifies the "will to power" as the underlying force in various attempts to create the good life, whether through truth-seeking, loving thy enemy, or renouncing craving.
01:14:40 🔄 The good life, according to Nietzsche, is a positive feedback loop, characterized by strength and an ascending path that enhances vitality.
01:18:22 💪 To live the good life, one should aspire to bring forth the "overman," embracing passion, daring, and sacrificing for a greater purpose.
01:20:14 💡 Nietzsche suggests looking at figures like Goethe and Napoleon as examples of living the good life, characterized by self-overcoming, practical activity, and the pursuit of totality.
01:25:57 🌿 Nietzsche views Goethe as a realist who embraced all aspects of life, advocating for the return to nature as an ascent to higher, more natural existence.
01:27:50 🎭 The good life entails naturalness, straightforwardness, and trusting fatalism, where one embraces life's dangers and pursues their creative will with freedom and gratitude.
01:30:47 🤔 Nietzsche suggests that cultivating virtues like courage, insight, sympathy, and solitude is essential for a good life, emphasizing the need for balance between action and reflection.
01:35:01 🌟 Nietzsche highlights the importance of solitude in achieving greatness, as it allows individuals to escape the influence of societal judgments and think their own thoughts.
01:37:21 🤝 Nietzsche contrasts his concept of justice with conventional notions, suggesting that justice for him involves backing up words with deeds and maintaining fairness among equals based on power.
01:41:09 🔥 Nietzsche argues that it's weakness, not power, that corrupts individuals, leading to resentment and destructive behavior.
01:46:00 🧠 Nietzsche encourages individuals to become psychologically and intellectually tough, capable of embracing uncomfortable truths about life and rejecting false ideals.
01:49:20 🌅 Nietzsche advises parting from life with gratitude and celebration, similar to Odysseus leaving Nausicaa, viewing death as a natural transition rather than something to fear.
01:52:40 🔄 Recognizing the finitude of life provides the framework for individual existence, allowing for the creation of a distinct narrative within these limitations.
01:54:03 🌞 Embracing the idea of life's finite nature can lead to a more positive and appreciative outlook, similar to the Zen concept of treasuring each moment.
01:55:57 🤯 The intellectual pursuit of understanding death may not provide comfort or preparation, as death remains beyond our comprehension and control.
01:57:30 🧘 Nietzsche suggests that instead of obsessing over death, people should focus on enjoying life and the fleeting moments it offers.
01:58:31 🌊 Nietzsche observes the contrast between people's eagerness for the future and the inevitability of death, emphasizing the importance of savoring the present.
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Such a beautiful ending to this episode
Really good breakdowns and also very pleasant voice. Not boring and not too aggressive either. I drive and listen to your stuff for hours. Thanks for the good content, it’s rare.
Thank you for posting such great informative content. I look forward to listening to more of it. Even this; I am going to come back later to listen to as much as I can; I'm only 14 minutes in & really need to get to sleep now but I am so very glad that your videos started coming up in the algorithm.
24:38 I agree an orthodox interpretation is fundamentally unattainable. I would even claim there aren't necessarily any "correct" or "incorrect" interpretations either. There are only "strong" and "weak" interpretations of Nietzsche, in my view. And, if I may say so, yours are among some the strongest I've found on this platform.
The thing even Nietzsche misses is sensation. A person is a conception before will is ever entertained.
I'm now on my third listen of this video. Cheers for the thought provoking commentary
On shrooms watching this is insane, love taking deep dives into my anima and different ways of thinking, seeing my will to power, seeing the being of life itself manifest in everyone’s life’s.
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Thank younfor the great work. I've listened to a few of this series and found it really well presented and informative.
I get what you're saying, reading Nietzsche is like being given a diagnosis. He leaves no room or time for trivialities of translation and interpretation!
Love listening to these. I found your channel from your Huang Po reading :)
Thank you for your efforts across your channel. Much appreciated. Highly enjoyable listening experience. 🍏
The mention of poets is that the concept of spirit is only an emotional observation of reality. Spirit isn’t tangible, but to listen to poetry written by authors who envision a spiritual reality, you become a part of that spiritual identity. It has no tangibility and no true reality, only a poetic representation of the experience of consciousness
The one example I can think of where more knowledge might decrease your power is if you also consider truth to be a primary virtue. One specific example: you are selling a car and everything is working great. However one day you discover there is something wrong with it that might not be immediately obvious to a buyer: let’s say that when the gas gauge says there are 50 miles left, it actually runs out of gas. If you are being honest, you may need to get it repaired, or mention it, which in either event would logically seem to lower your “power” at least in terms of net money gained.
I suspect in ten or fifteen years a human being will be defined as an entity of limited time existence (expiration dated) that consumes the products of eight corporations.
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
@@untimelyreflections A typical day in 2032: You look into your holographic TV wall and wait for the greeting from Big Brother. At 11 is the daily Apple product announcement at the nearby Apple temple, which you are required to attend. At noon your food replicator has a meal waiting for you based on Meta's assessment of your biological needs and subconscious desires. At 1 you will enter your rest pod and receive brain wave reset from United Healthcare Google Services. Upon emergence you engage with your sex service Microsoft bots, Bill Gates Edition. At 5 all citizens take part in neighborhood Zuckerware parties where they learn the proper way to burp food containers.
I don't know how much truth Nietzsche spoke. I suspect he was trying to get people to question and to think. Much like his own idol, Emerson.
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Well done. Thank-you.
Not easy to digest really, but in many ways it helps us understand the fundamental structure of life and it's meaning in which Nietzsche views it.
Not sure if I've ever left a comment on youtube, but this is good. Keep it up, man. Godspeed 👽
Simply beautiful, Thank you,
amazing video. thank you and wow.
Wow a full professional lecture
amazing content !
Human thought life in and of itself is the product of self deceit. To have wisdom enough to accept this as the only essential freedom in life is liberating.
Man you help me understand what Nietzsche was about. I ca nnot thank you enough.
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Thank you for your videos brother.
I 've got a bizarre question for you .
I' ld love to know what do you think drives the current civilazation's collapse and individual demoralisation from your interpretation of Nietzsche or other philosophers and in your own eyes? And if could you describe it in one word or phrase, what would that be?
Would that be the opposite of will to power and "amor fati", amnesia/suppression of our instincts, last man or cabal, dogma or spiritual war, resentment or weakness, body/mind disconnection? What do you or Nietzsche or other philosophers think drives our species in this kind of behavioural pattern on the fundamental level?
Short answer: Decadence
Long Answer: From my perspective, Nietzsche believed that most humans are not fit for healthy life. That humans were animals once who lived in a Hobbsian war of all against all (tribe against tribe, etc) in the Paleolithic hunter gather times here there were no rules & pure strongest survived.
Through the Neolithic revolution, settlements, walls, domestication of grains/ animals were solutions to the problems of predators, birth animal & human, & allowed the weak to live longer through their creative solutions to the brute force of nature. Behind these walls with food aplenty, the healthy, natural man who would immediately look for retribution against any slight & to exploit any advantage present was selected against as to live in such close proximity for the sake of safety, crop growing, etc. one could not be in perpetual fear of their neighbor.
This lead to the long development of turning taboos which were based on health (don't eat this, don't hunt there, don't bang the chiefs daughter, etc.) into abstract morals (don't hurt your neighbor without the approval of town elders, don't steal, don't kill, etc.)
These rules protected the weaker people given the worst jobs but those which were still necessary for society to function. The societies which allowed one to kill others simply for a look always lead to slave revolts & collapse. After thousands of years, the slave class continually threatened & actualized revolts against the strong & when they won, they simply replaced the strong with themselves (some, the most clever of themselves). We are all the descendants of ever weaker & weaker people who are more & more creative (sick) yet weaker & weaker (unhealthy) due to having the relative same physiology as our strong ancestors, yet having developed the psychological necessities of the weak masses (herd). Occasionally there's a bright star; a outlier who against all odds is not just born & raised, but achieves against the herd to actualize their strength (Nepolean, Caesar, etc.) The issue is, these literal "strong men" are becoming fewer & further between & society is becoming more & more descendant. As ithe population grows in numbers it declines in health, like cancer cells in an organism.
Thus societies collapse is the inevitable result of society itself; its entire purpose from the start was to promote weakness, to escape predators of all kinds through weak, feminine means, like creativity (walls, domestication, tactics, etc). We probably (maybe🤷) will find a creative way to solve our problems now as we have for 10k years, & our descendants, like a pure bred dog, will esthetically be pleasing while psychologically sick & weak, until one day, we evolve to no longer have the physiological unconscious which runs counter intuitive to our psychological conscious or we hit a technological wall which causes our ability to sustain life to regress & our physiological unconscious needs reign Supreme & the strong inherit the earth...
Thank you again. Time and time again, I have to reprimand my mind, chastise myself for failing to rise up to the heaven of great writers like F. Nietzsche or Goethe.
A great human being should rise above the apparent meaninglessness and absurdities of life (the Pessimism of Schopenhauer), and if he or she is a genius of the highest order, then, the amusing phenomena of life, however disappointed, could be made meaningful, purposeful, nay, entertaining!
Even Schopenhauer admits the fascinating phenomena of life, whether in the countless operations of Mother Nature, or the amusing unfolding acts, circumstances and whimsical happenings of human passions, in the broad canvas and conflicting music of history, metaphysics, sciences, archeology, and philosophy, could lend existence a rather finely-tuned structured significance, like an ideal city, surrounded by the impervious wilderness of ages.
A great human being should rise to the higher spheres of Pythagoras, and if you are lucky, either aided by the unkown potencies of self-willed efforts, disciplines, or constant exertions, or the blessings of the gods, perhaps you could find the noumena of life. And at that point, you may wake up to a new reality…and unlike most mortals, the phantasmagoria of life would not lead you astray.
Please expound on what you mean by the noumena of life.
Thank you!
Here is a quote that is resultant in epiphany! “ The scarcity of resources would only take place if it were only to be a problem of existence as it relates to individual regard for encouraging sounds from the abyss that is perfect and important .” Cleavland Hanwick
impeccable ✨✨👌🏼. Maybe another clue is the fact that if there is so much sacrifice to achieve the new mutation, the new way of life, why is it that the satisfaction never comes nearly equal to the sacrifice that made it possible? Another argument in favor of the primordial truth existing even now,. The eternal Precedent of the irrational will to power as over above any ideal.
Some of the terms have subjective interpretation that are more in extension than I would take. Still the points ring clear. Thanks.
We are equipped with everything we need already. It's this World that we allow to keep us captive. We are reverberating as we speak
Awesome verh articjlate and well worded and consistently disciplined in involving and circling the ideologies of the people being discussed.
Good use og language and informed.
Beuatiful - world class shit really.
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Add the 37:00 or 38:00 minute mark, the speaker claims that the physical world can be accounted for by physical means. That is, the material is explained by the material. This simply is not true. The four fundamental forces in physics (gravity, electro-magnetism, strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force) are without any naturalisticallyevident progenitive source. Sure, quantum sciences like to model their mathematic concepts in particle-based lingo, but we see scientifically that every physical form and force at the foundational level can only be described with formal abstractions (formulae and such) or speculative/unspecific language.
on opposite ends, the means begins anew gleams another doctrine for the dactile concubines of status quo, to supreme a leadership, who could judge and ordeal.
For responcibility seldom fares well amongst the blind. I will to the power of Mine.
Either for the Memes of for the cremes from the crop, the result will loom same.
The reason why Zarathoustra rejects faith in him or in his ideas, is that for Nietzsche, the ultimate virtue for all free spirits is probity. A virtue that is contrary to all dogmatism.
I didn't know what probity meant until a few seconds ago.
I keep feeling like the story of Zarathustra is supposed to be a direct envisioning of the life of Jesus or Muhammad, a prophet who sought to teach a clarity of meaning to life, but the contrasts of the population to stay tied to preconceived faiths turn the authoring of their stories into insane reimaginings in order to pursue a level of holiness that more people will be convinced to follow. I feel like he is pushing the idea that Jesus was not God, it was the followers who poetically gave his stories the powers of a god
Super.
The meaning of life; is to give life a meaning. It's a paradox.
28:54 I really disagree with this idea and I think Nietzsche would too. All we have in this life is our experiences. If we can’t apply a philosophical approach to our lives then how can we adopt its wisdom? This is the only measure where we can find the personal truths there in. I think you can only hold this view if you were attempting simply to catalogue and order philosophical ideas into groups, in a more abstract sense. And not attempt to live their various creeds. How could one know Nietzsche as he knew Socrates otherwise? It is through this method alone that we all find some wisdom in the great thinkers. And teach ourselves to think in the process.
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You are involved in anthropology. Theology is a response to having been addressed. Karl Barth. Those who have not been addressed are not in position to do theology. They are also not in a position to say others cannot do theology.
We are ALL ONE. COMING TOGETHER IS THE KEY. WE ARE PRICELESS. We bounce off each other. Quantum physics
Trust? Those eyes which are addicted to the lust, which linger over every and all things seeking to possess it with a poisoned God that named "poet, the foretelling fool of fashions and passions, trained his mind as a ballet dancer, what puppetry directs his doomed and drunken solitude whispered to himself and the voice of everyone else, rejoice ? But from what earned or stolen realm calls the herald to announce us to dither and dine in the entrance of flame, fury, flame"
He who cannot obey is commanded
Advancement requires vast sacrifices
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What's Nietzsche got against poets lying though? I mean that's specifically WAAAY up his alley?
The meaning of life ist der Übermensch!
If it can’t put in parables of nails, hamers, planks and saws, it’s not an appropriate philosophy for a carpenter.😊
The poets and philosophers don’t lie; they tell fantastic stories of how they see the life from their intelligences. Each person is an enfolding of a unique potential in a unique environment. Nothing is gained or lost in a life. If anybody can become anybody (else), everybody will be nobody. “Live well and prosper.
We; All of us are Divinely entitled for Meaningful Life & Existence & all this as Divinely Ordained 🌺☪️🕎🛐🔯☯️☦️🕉️🌺
Missed the point
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We are mostly missing the Point & ever prepared to re- discover it as per the Divine scheme of Free Will 🌺☪️☯️🕉️🕎🔯✝️☮️🌺
So according to Mr Nietzsche, "momento mori" got it wrong.
These are many of the aspects that the seaker learns and works with in life, the inside job.
Nietzsche did not see that if one had the spirit of Christ in him that he was beyond good and evil and operated solely out of the being of God. For example, does god act based on the law? No. The law is for law breakers. But the spirit is the spirit of life itself. That is why the early Christians stopped living under the law. There was no sabbath, no circumcision, no thou shalt not because you are not striving toward a way of life but being a way of life; fully conscious, fully alive, not in some other worldly never never land.
Nietzsche, then, is a contradiction in terms. Since there is no universal way and we must each of us find our own way, that in itself is a universal way of life.
You're an idea and you're constantly working on it. Maybe tomorrow you'll cut your hair or start wearing boots. Why? Observer effects. The duel slit experiment of your life.
Wait! On what basis can you say we have "created a spiritual realm", ie God? Cannot God actually exist?
All the people who have ever told us about this “spiritual realm” have been men.
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Nietzsche is not God. Take what is useful from him and trash the rest aside.
What you think is “useful” is informed by your moral prejudices; have you examined them? Or is this just another rallying cry to sublimate everything to utilitarianism?
Nietzsche is not God - true, no one is God; God is dead. Although, funnily enough no one uses this kind of argument against other philosophers… no one decides to go into internet comment sections to tell Kantians that “Kant is not God”. I’ve always wondered why Nietzsche triggers people in this way.
@@untimelyreflections Nietzsche 'philosophy' or in fact, anti-philosophy is self defeating and self-refuting. He denies the reality of truth but presents *his* ideas as the ultimate truth.
I watched your criticism of Alain De Botton's video on Nietzsche. I don't think you can comprehend or even appreciate the irony of trying to extract or represent the purest or the most correct form of Nietzschean philosophy to people. How can self-styled arrogant Nietzcheans who believe all interpretation is a servant/function of power insist that there is a correct or accurate way to read Nietzsche?
Nietzsche is like a Rorschach inkblot. You can read out of him what you put into him. George Bataille, a French post-Nietzchean argued that a true Nietzschean can only be a crippled madman (like Nietzsche himself in his declining years) who can't tell up from down, true from false or right from wrong.
By the way I'm not an aggressive, moralising evangelist of any kind of values. I happily accept the pluralism and relativity of values among people and among peoples. If this leads to universal war, anarchy or chaos.....I couldn't care less.
@@untimelyreflections My main problem with Nietzsche, apart from the fact that his ideas are completely incoherent, is that he didn't go far enough in rejecting Christianity. After having created a post-atomic wasteland, the prescriptive, preachy part of his philosophy is quite clearly a hangover from his Christian upbringing. He fancied the ridiculous Superman as a redemptive figure that would rescue humanity from nihilism, including the nihilism of Christianity. Instead of seeing the human animal clearly as vicious, tribal, murderous beast and human history as meaningless, raucous din of hacking and gouging, he thought history would become meaningful by the arrival of these fatuous Supermen, who would create a higher humanity by supreme acts of will.
Did he not see that "the will" is itself impersonal and does not serve humanity or that "humanity" is an unreal chimera with no more grounding or substance than a will-o'-the-wisp? He turned the deification of the human animal into his religion and never gave up reverence for this ephemeral phantom. The kind of free thinking atheism that he imagined in The Gay Science would reject 'humanity', 'progress', and 'history as a redemptive drama happening in linear time' because these concepts are hangovers from monotheism.
@@untimelyreflections Read "Redeeming Nietzsche: The Piety of Unbelief" by Giles Fraser for further thoughts.
This goes on for 2 hours???
@@robertruge2916 no, thanks
I don't think your "Christianity is anti life because the soul going to heaven" is more important than it not going to heaven really works, you may just be parroting Nietzsche's assertions, I'm open to argument .
That’s not a good summary of the argument. My guess would be that you’re skimming for things to take issue with, and are not really listening. I also should be perfectly honest; I really have no interest in debating with Christians. No one is trying to take your faith away, but it will not take root here. Spend your time more wisely.
@@untimelyreflections I think I know the type of Christian you believe your talking to, I'm not that Christian, also I have no desire to "just argue" with you, I will concede my summary probably doesn't do justice to Nietzsche's point but I'm very familiar with it's, and it is correct only as it relates to a certain type of Christian, it is possible to "remain loyal to the earth" and still be Christian. I understand we all have bias and we don't always put all our cards on the table and yours is pretty obvious,and that's cool, cause we all have them.
The reason why I’m responding like this is not out of antipathy, but because my goal is not to convince believers. I can’t have an argument with someone where I don’t want to win.
@@untimelyreflections Why do you assume I'm not open to your arguments? Anyway, I simply disagree that Christianity, as a whole is 'anti-life", I believe that fundamentally Christianity is life affirming, of course one can give examples where it has been anti-life but in principle it is not, perhaps I could give examples where Nietzsche's Ubermensch is anti-life or Eternal Recurrence is anti-life.
@@hanskung3278 It's not that I don't believe you're open to arguments, it's that I lack the will to make the arguments.
It's bad luck to be superstitious.
Yes, but let's not skip time. Jews have a big chunk of this
I view violence as anti life
Violence is a natural aspect of life is cruel as it can be. Destruction is a necessity for growth.
@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 I'm sorry but I think your misinformed
@@hanskung3278 no. it's absolutely true. you have to approach things holistically if you want an accurate picture of life. There is a reason the Indians have a god of creation and destruction.
@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 Violence is not inevitable.
@@hanskung3278 it certainly is on the planet I live in.
A new N commentary.....could be litteral anything
As much as I love Nietzsche, I think he misunderstood what The Stoics meant by “Living According To Nature”……man’s nature is to reason, therefore live according to your reason is equivalent.
Is Nietzsche portraying senility? Sounds like he is to me.
"Advancement requires sacrifice", sounds like Christianity.
Nietzsche's philosophy is just a retelling of Christianity shorn of its imperial facade.
@@zootsoot2006 That makes no sense.
@@hanskung3278 Revaluation of all values, first one now will later be last. Ubermensch, New Life. Eternal recurrence, eternal life. The parallels go on and on. Just because Nietzsche opposed Christianity doesn't mean he opposed Christ. To believe so represents a very superficial reading.
Nietzsche contradicts himself quite a bit but I guess that wouldn't have bothered him, after all he's Superman
If "death is the end of everything" then what's the point of thinking about it? "eat, drink and be merry "
only a fool would ask nietzsche about the meaning of life...
WRONG-HEADED !!!
Because meaning is self-defined this is simply Nietzsche's take. Consider that he died of syphilis induced madness, I'll leave it to the reader if the reader still believes Nietzsche's path was the best one or even if all his points were correct. It's a path but there are others I consider wiser, healthier, and more fulfilling.
He didn’t die of syphilis, that’s been known for decades now. He likely had a congenital defect, or possibly a tumor behind his right eye. I think CADASIL is more likely than the tumor explanation, but we can never know for certain. One thing we can rule out definitively is syphilis, given that Nietzsche’s symptoms began when he was 12, and don’t match those of syphilis.
@@untimelyreflections He had syphilis. He had no female friends probably because of his attitude towards the opposite sex. He had no respect for women so he resorted to prostitution. The time it started to affect his mind was typical of the population in Europe. Look this up if you haven't. Syphilis is a major cause of mental decline, especially if untreated. He might have had symptoms when he was young, which could be unrelated. I doubt it was anything exotic like a brain tumor. No, he caught syphilis. He was fortunate to have relatives take care of him until he died. Thousands who didn't have family members died miserable deaths in sanitariums due to syphilis caused dementia. I think your judgement might be biased because you are a fan of Nietzsche.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
1. Nietzsche could stick out his tongue without tremor even when at the hospital at Jena, something impossible for a syphilitic.
2. His symptoms began at 12, meaning he was not yet sexually active.
3. His pains and visual phosphenes were concentrated on the right side of his face, not across both sides as syphilitics experience it.
4. He lived with his condition far longer than a patient with paretic syphilis could be expected to live.
Your comment about me being “biased” just reveals your own ignorance, and just repeating “no he had syphilis” in spite of the wealth of evidence that he didn’t shows who is biased here. You should do some basic reading on the subject before wandering in here to argue with the grown-ups. We actually come prepared with facts and sources.
Leonard Sax, What was the cause of Nietzsche’s dementia? (pdf link: www.leonardsax.com/Nietzsche.pdf)
Hemelsoet D1, Hemelsoet K, Devreese D., The neurological illness of Nietzsche (Abstract): www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18575181
Information on CADASIL: ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/cerebral-autosomal-dominant-arteriopathy-with-subcortical-infarcts-and-leukoencephalopathy#sourcesforpage
@@untimelyreflections Symptoms are not a disease. There many ailments with common symptoms. That proves nothing. Also he had care of his relatives. Institutional care alone shortens life expectancy. Nursing care statistics bare this out. Those who end up in nursing facilities have almost 5 years taken off their life expectancy. You have to take into account the level of care. That he lived longer means nothing if you ignore post disease care.
Anyway you have a belief and as Nietzsche himself has pointed out, data that doesn't conform to that belief gets rejected. You are falling into the trap He warns you against. Did he not say to not follow him but instead make your own path? It's right there in "Thus spoke...". It's like a Christian saying to follow Jesus and then ignore the teaches of Christ.
@@untimelyreflections One more point, if Covid has taught us anything, don't put all your faith in authorities, they are often (>50%) proven wrong.
So what you're saying is we should forgive the NAZIS and Pfizer?
No, he extracted their moral structure, was fiercely opposed to German Nationalism and didn't like music. Regardless, anything I read didn't even mention God as if it was designed to exfoliate an existential analytic without even mentioning the concept. Thus spoke Zarathustra is about schizophrenia reality where he goes out to isolate himself and engage with the apocalyptic reality of schizophrenia. Blah blah blah. Be a masonic slave. The majority of the population were forced to flood into cities and the slave morality of the industrial revolution, tragedy through the will to power - thats not what its for. A lot of it is just random anecdotes. So he is sort of crazy and wants to leave it on.
Nazis yes, Pfizer nah
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