Gareth Southgate's leadership weaknesses were exposed in the Euro 2020 final - Fjortoft | ESPN FC
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- ESPN FC's Jan Aage Fjortoft, Shaka Hislop and Craig Burley share their thoughts on England's penalties in its loss to Italy in the Euro 2020 final.
0:00 Fjortoft believes Gareth Southgate sending Bukayo Saka out to take the last penalty in the final was a mistake.
11:12 Hislop says Jack Grealish threw Southgate under the bus when he made comments about stepping up to take a penalty.
17:20 Fjortoft explains why Federico Chiesa had such a successful tournament.
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The only mistake England made was sitting back after the first 20mins. They should have gone out and tried to kill off Italy, but they let Italy take over and then dominate.
Penalties are always a toss-up.
And how would they have killed Italy? 🤔
You mean after the first TWO minutes !
@@vinlondon8904 Like they did in the 1st 2 minutes
they sat back the entire tournament except against Ukraine lol
England's soccer teams are always useless - failure is their middle name .The thing is, can you explain why for over a CENTURY now , .England's football teams are a joke ?
Totally agree with Burley. Too much talk about penalties. No one is talking about Southgates tactics throughout the game. Never did he look to win the game after being 1 nill up within 2 minutes. His squad had the most depth as compared to any other team in the tournament and yet he did not use it well and was too defensive.
I agree much has been about the penalties. The in game tactics were to cautious
I think he doesn't trust the players outside of the first 11.
Yep i dont like English National Team but im premier league fan and this defensive football was shocking, leaving rashford, sancho, foden on the bench, Southgate is a victim of his own decisions.
@@Arejen03 Foden was unavailable due to injury
Just like Ole in the Europa league Final against Villarreal
Southgate was a coward.he parked the bus after the early goal and got owned by the Italians.
People need to understand that the main problem is not those who took the penalties but the starting line-up and tactics in the game. The game is being played at Wembley and it's a final. He had to play to win and not to defend or draw penalties. Italy deserved to win.
Spot on
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England will never get a better chance. 1-0 up after 2 minutes, at home and then it was like watching the inevitable happening. I said after 30 minutes - "we can't do this for the entire game, we're asking to concede...get up the pitch, stop being so damned negative". Southgate did not learn a single thing from the Croatia game in the WC. Winning 1-0 up, then having the opposition pressing so much...it needed changing and he froze. Again.
@@huxleypig69 yeah, England would always have the same approach. You can't win big trophies by being scared to play. Chelsea's UCL win last season taught me that. I just hope Ole and Southgate sees this and learns from it.
Maguire can score goals even against his own team. Southgate is defensive minded and doesn't know how to be offensive capable. 🙄 if he put grealish on early, would England had scored?? Who knows.
England are horrible when it comes to penalties in big tournaments. Just avoid penalties if you can.
England will win the world cup in quasar. Just watch.
Italy takes years to develop their keeper. England takes days to destroy their youngsters.
Thoughtless by GS. The man has half a brain.
This view that it was wrong to submit the younger players to the pressure of taking penalties is sheer nonsense. A 19 year old is an adult. In England/UK you can join the army at 16. Then at 18 you can- and are- deployed to frontline duties on the battlefield. So that is real pressurre in life threatening circumstances and the war-mongering English have no qualms about this. As an aside I mention that in WW2 the average age of a dead US soldier was 23. In the war on Vietnam it was 19.
@@tonygreenland9378 Well, when you put it like that, yes... but we're really talking about apples and (admittedly) very sobering oranges. Cannon fodder is not the same as a millionaire kid with a nation's eyes on him.
Overall Italy have had the best GK situation in the world for decades. Germany were very good for a while too with Kahn and Neuer, but not anymore. You just can't beat Toldo, Buffon and now Donnarumma in succession. At least I can't think of another situation like it.
Italy, Spain and Denmark were the three most entertaining teams to watch, in my opinion 🙂
Italy, Denmark and Switzerland
@@n.s.5278 Switzerland are 4th in my list
Spain just need a proper striker and they'll be very hard to beat.
@@Godplayzdice agreed but they are not entertaining to watch.
@@n.s.5278 I think having a proper striker that can be given the ball upfront and finalize, or hold it and pass it to the side harry kane style would not only make them hard to beat, but also give that attacking edge to make them enjoyable.
Also, I thought they were fun to watch during the italy spain game in hindsight (being an italian myself, and suffering a lot during that game)
Here in Brazil we have a different idea about penalties, here it is almost a general rule, that the most important penalties must be kicked by the stars, because if he loses, he is already a star, never a rookie, if he loses, he will always be remembered for the loss.
Penalties? Didn't germany smash you clowns 7-1 in regulation time
@@craigchalmers62285 wc
hi, im from Mexico and watched the game with my lil son from here in Mex, we are huge fans of english football, but when i saw Rashford and Sancho going in during the extra time, i told my son, England is going to lose. why my son asked?, i told him that back in the day when i used to play, our coach told us that it is bad to bring in guys just to kick the penalties, because they are not in rithm with the match, they didnt get enough time to "sweat" the adrenaline of going in a game like that, so in my opinion regardless of their age, the mistake was to bring them in soooo late, he should have stuck with players with more minutes in the game..... just an opinion.... take care!
I agree with u💯
I agree with you. It was a dumb thing to do. Dumb.
@Drew Peacock i wrote it in retrospect, but i said it before they even kicked them 🤷♂️, thats why i said it was an opinion, of course any human being can miss a penalty kick, but if you watch the series again look at how they are standing before they start going for the kick, and also look at their faces.... then look at the players that didnt miss....you'll get a hint, and i dont really care if you listen to me or not, but i was just trying share some experience, next time you see a game go to penalties remember me, you're welcome....
true
@@SevillaLucho very true..scandalous what Southgate did & his rationale baffling. I guess if the kids score hes a hero, kids too and a once divided nation is now together. Ok, some of the young players play wthout fear and preconception.... but penalties in a Euro final..wow it dont get much bigger and requires ice cool nerve!
He played russian roulette & lost. Upto then all his 'gambles' (if you call playing not to concede a gamble) had come off but luck does run out.
I recall an interview he gave after Germany game-he said 'if i pick that team /system an we lose im dead'. Yes, Gareth you live an die by your decisions!
The risk/fallout if they missed was so high for a man so pragmatic (worse considering hes been there himself!!) I am not convinced it was even his call.. but we better not go there. A new single-minded coach with an attacking mindset will make a difference.
You stunned Italy with an early goal. Don’t sit back and defend the whole match! Go for it!
Why was Foden not introduced?
Spot on, also Southgate did not use his ace card which was a quality bench properly. Italy used 6 subs, England 3 subs (excluding the 2 for pens) and all 3 were later. Also as a Saints fan still can’t believe JWP and Ings were not in the squad.
Ppl don’t talk about that first 20-30mins enough. England could’ve had a second , Italy were stunned
Exactly 2:0 England and it would be game over imo
It's in England's nature to bottle it, it is just what they do.
Jack Grealish has a right to defend himself. Got nothing to do with the unity of the team. Everyone started blaming Grealish and Sterling because of Keanes comments.
Such statements by the media borders on the criminal and should be challenged by supporters
100%
He dont need to defend himself he made the coach look stupid, that's against the ethics of team spirit
@@victoroleru1976 if the coach said in the interview he decides who takes pens, but there were other players who were willing to take one, then nobody would falsely accused more senior players fof not taking a pen.a
@@victoroleru1976 since when are you not allowed to answer your critics?
C-Burley is spot on... England's attacking players were shackled by SG's tactics... Yes, he's worked wonders in terms of unifying the squad and getting them singing off the same Hymm sheet; engaging with the media etc... However, SG has been blessed with a crop of incredible offensive players, possibly the best in our history, which - at present - are in danger of going to waste. If we're not careful, England will be the next Belgium.
SG's tactic is not your problem. Problem is that when it comes to it, England players bottle it and also are just not good under pressure compared to other teams. If you had gone attacking, Italy would have executed the "park the bus and then counter attack" and would have still scored. Then you would be going, why SG tried attacking, should have parked the bus. Truth is, when it comes to pressure, England players are just not good enough when it really matters.
If they're good enough to play in champions League finals ect then why not for for England? I'd have to disagree it was definitely southgates tactics that let us down in the end . He made us hard to beat which is great but can he now take it forward and make us more fluid up front .... I'm not so sure .
Also some terrible challenges on eng players
@Phil Jones That's right. Same in 2018. They played Belgium in the group stage and lost when Belgium were trying not to win, then played nobody until they met Croatia. So they played 2 decent teams and lost 3 times to them!
Aspire to be Belgium, who ironically also have not won anything 👍 , have a go about England's lucky draws all you want but they don't pick the route. Not to mention your discrediting these other nation from they're achievement also 🤷 , before these matches Europe says don't underestimate those teams, once they're beat it's oh well they weren't a legitimate team? Lol hypocrisy at its finest 👍 .
Right on, Craig. Among the best commentary I've heard or read anywhere.
I agree he's one of the best pundits but then there's something he said here that I don't agree with. He said it's the responsibility of the older players to tell the coach not to allow Saka take the penalty kick. Southgate defended himself by stating they practiced penalties in the training section and found those (5) to be the best. Idg why Shaw, Stones have to tell Gareth to change his decision.
100% spot on imo
NO MATTER WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO SAY:AT THE END OF IT ALL, NO GUTS, NO GLORY!
Hmmmmmmm also need skillful players , knowledgeable coaches , and 4 other reasons .
No Guts No Glory sums up a Boring Negative Manager
He who dares wins as well
Fortune Favours The Brave
The Chicken Took a Licken
I am from Italy played at a decent level both teams were amazing. England played much better 1st half. Italy came back almost dominating 2nd half. Overtime both played great. What a game. I agrer with many comments below England should have tried to win and kill Italy earlier ajd never be happy with penalties
Well done Dominico and Italy 👏. We have scar tissue in our national psyche when it comes to penalties. Being a City fan I love Bobby Manc (Roberto Mancini). I've been all over the world watching England and I went to Italy and saw the game in Rome in 1997. Getting to the final is progress for us. I'd rather lose to Italy than Spain or Germany. Southgate has some real talent on his hands but has he got the chutzpah to let them express that talent? It was England trying to play cattanaggio? It's the most attacking Italian team I've ever seen!! Chiesa is top quality 👌I remember his Father I'm showing my age!!! Well done and take care Dom...
Yeah man I just hate that style of scoring first and then just trying to win with your defense. Your allowing the other offense to control possession and get in rhythym and once they get that goal and tie momentum is now heavily in their favor
I remember that 1997 game! 0-0, with a thriller ending: England hits the stick (Ince? Shearer? I don't recall), Italy takes the ball, counter-attacks, then Bobo Vieri hits the stick again within the same minute!
Southgate: Keeping Mason Mount for 90+ mins who did nothing.
Mancini: Took Immobile off after a horid 1st half.
Talk about tactically savy
he was so concerned about nullifying italys threat that he forgot we needed to pose one. hence the whole hesitation with using grealish or even foden/sancho
He also took Cheisa off (sorry about the spelling)
@@madeinpakistanatoz2588 chiesa got injured
Mount didn't have a good tournament really. Grealish got a free minutes and made an assist with kane. Why put mount back on for the final? Just stubbornness and narrow minded. He only used half his squad.
Mount did something - lost header to one of the shortest player in Italy team for that equalizer
The penalty takers were chosen by how well they performed in training but there's no pressure in training this is a European cup final!!
Its a dumb system for decide
U need people with personality
The penalty takers were chosen because they were blacks. This is identity politics that has entered football. Diversity and inclusion
Rashford and Sancho were United and Dortmund's dedicated penalty takers. Only the Saka choice is objectionable.
@@emanuelenicolo6131 I think Great managers can look into player's eyes or how they've performed up to that point rather than being based on stats.
"no pressure in training" I agree, but they are still the better in training so...
England typically lose to the first good team they play - that's exactly what happened
Croatia?Germany? Denmark? We got beat in a lottery of a penalty shootout. Didn't get beat in 120mins.
@@BurtonRdForever it was mind numbingly dull
@ying yang true
@@BurtonRdForever croatia is old, this is the same germany that was demolished 6-0 by spain, denmark is denmark and they almost took you out.
Ying Yang - It was 1 -1 and that's a good result against a better team.
They gonna discuss about the decision on a 19 y old taking It forever. Pay respect to Italy and talk about them. Mbappe also missed a penalty and hes young to.
True, but Mbappe is already a World Cup winner and an established superstar. Saka is neither
That should have been Sterling taking it.
@@haydenkeenan5931 you making it sound like England lost because of that decision, bitter excuses
@@Donkens Yo I'm not even English I'm pleased they lost
England’s record in penalty shootouts won 2 lost 7. We should never ever ever play for penalties again. We should just go for it on the pitch while we can and be done with it. If Grealish had come on half time and we had changed tactics we would be champions now. It’s a psychological problem.
I agree, I was shocked. It is like going back to the girl who already refused to speak with you 10 times.
Manager feels Grealish's defending skills lacking. Why did the coaching staff not help him from the start to sharpen those skills? Am I just dumb?
@@annemariegutteridge4696 It doesn’t matter. Grealish would have helped defend by giving us an out ball in midfield. Our defence would have won the ball back and got it to Grealish who has the ability to turn , or hold the ball or win a free kick or even lay it off to someone like playing a ball over the top for Sterling or Saka. Rice / Philips can’t do that the way Grealish can. That’s worth a lot to a team trying to defend a lead. There’s more to defending that just tackling. England’s problem was that the ball just kept coming back again and again and there was no respite or counter attack. The equaliser became inevitable , and I will say one last thing. If Grealish helped us score another goal then that’s good defending too. Last time I got my calculator out it was much easier defending a 2-0 lead than a 1-0 lead. Or am I missing something? This area is Southgates blind spot. He’s a great man manager but a bang average tactician.
@@3chords490 thank you for this informative response.
England and "if". Better love story than Twilight
I am tired of hearing all this England nonce. Can we just appreciate how good Roberto Mancini was and his tactical abilities how he outclassed all of their opponents.
true english pundits and fans can never give credit to the opponrnts who are a better team its always the same old rubbish they talk
England lost the game after 2 mins by sitting back, who made that decision, it never should have got to pens.
Southgate froze IMO
Absolutely! They started to do catenaccio hoping to resist for the other 87’min…
Come on, man. You think Italy would let England score again like that? You would have been done by a counter attack. So much arrogance by you English fans. All smoke and no fire.
Southgate had one of the most youthful and exciting sides and he told them to defend a 1-0 lead from minute 3. Awful coach and to sub on those players for the pens and let Saka take that last one is just criminal. He has to go, disgrace.
England exciting....I'd rather Watch paint dry
I got a shock when I saw Saka walking up........
Southgate lost the game as soon as England scored their first goal.
England lose before they step on the pitch - because they do not have good players , coaches or systems .
@@johnlee3339 ,Agreed
Everyone is focusing on the shootout but the bottom line is that England should not even let the game get to a shootout.
Italy were the better more experienced team England did well to take to penalties.
If Hummel's did not miss the open goal England would have been out simple as that,. You guys got lucky
@@shazanali692You could also say Italy were lucky to get their goal with a goal mouth scramble.
@@MrSitemaster2 really? What about fake penalty with Denmark? Everybody AGREE. Italy deserves to win
@@consulentecomunicazionestr3072 England were lucky to get it, just like Italy and their goal mouth scramble goal.
Berardi takes penalties at his club so is Jorginho, Belotti, Bernardeschi used to takes penalties at Fiorentina and Crotone and Bonucci was a penalty taker for Italy in euro 2016. You can see who had better chance to win .
So so true. Italy also had the advantage of already having beaten Spain on penalties mere days before so there was no uncertainty at all over who should kick.
@@stephenmason9527 That's decidedly a disadvantage. Statistically, it is very unlikely for teams to win two penalty shootouts in a row in a tournament
Italy also missed two penalties.
@@stephenmason9527 Italy also missed two penalties. Pickford made as many saves as Donnarumma. The only difference it came down to was a 19 year old understandably crumbled under pressure. Very very fine margins.
@@aldojuan1985 it is most certainly *not* a disadvantage when it comes to giving the manager the best idea for picking his kickers. Southgate picked his penalty kickers based on training... training.... but Mancini picked his takers partially because of a Euros semifinal shootout win. I know which situation I'd rather see to make my picks.
It keeps being said that penalties are a lottery so why on earth would you plan for them? Why would you make substitutions to plan for them? Whatever happened to trying to win the game? Right up to the final whistle?? It was naive from Southgate who just doesn’t have a winning mentality. His mentality is one of not losing. A completely different thing
Maybe in his head he thought he could makeup for England's past penalty failures and win. In my mind that was an insane tactic. Should attacked relentlessly after first goal and at least had warmed up players to take penalties. What was he thinking 😞😞
Correct chief. You have players with attacking flair so try to win it, not play defensive players for penalties. Southgate has a negative mindset and he will waste this generation of English players
Why don't you talk about how great Italy's halftime adjustments were and stop being so England-centric?
Exactly. Let's move it along with all the England/Southgate talk.
I’d go as far to say that if Mancini was the manager of England, England would have won the game and the Euros.
If Mancini was that good they wouldn't have needed a penalty shootout.
@@MrSitemaster2 I love your answer so much
@@MrSitemaster2 Lol. Italy had their best players out, if Chiesa was not subbed injured. Italy would have won without penalties. Italy were essentially playing with their second string team and they still won...
Give Mancini the england squad, he would have the game within 90 minutes. FACTS.
@@MrSitemaster2 did you watch the match? they played us off the park on our home pitch, embarrassing.
we had like 35% possession lol
No - the english as a team are not ready yet. The best team won - Italy has played fantastic foot-ball, the whole world loves them because of that, and I give all my love to Italy! Congrates from a Dane, and thank you, Italy!
ESPN are the only pundits not giving Southgate a pass and I commend them. Southgate completely butchered this final. From the starting 11, to the team's mentality, to his unwillingness to adjust, to his late substitutions, to his penalty choices. Just horrid. And yes I know England scored in part because of the width created from the 2 wing back set up but you saw what happened after Italy settled in around the 20th minute or so. They just completely dominated. Because England didn't have enough quality on the pitch. To hold the ball. To counter attack. To get the ball out of their 1/3. 5 defenders AND two defensive mids. With all the attacking quality England had on the bench. Disgraceful.
Southgate is the darling of the woke set, so of course the media are going to give him a free pass. He doesn't deserve credit for reaching a final, because given the squad at his disposal, the home ground advantage, and having the easy side through the luck of the draw, it is the minimum he should have achieved. And once in the final, he was practically gifted a 1-0 advantage, but he played not to lose rather than playing to win. And if he had to virtue signal with his choice of penalty takers, he should have at least put Rashford and Sancho on in extra time to get them warmed up and into the rhythm of the game. And putting so much pressure on Saka was ridiculous. The most that can be said of him is that other managers in the past have been as bad if not worse, but that is little consolation. This was England's big chance, and largely due to their manager, they blew it.
Firstly, Shaka is 100% right
Secondly, i hate how they talk about England more than the champions Italy
ESPN and some English fans think the world revolves around the England team.
Its ESPN UK.
It's because that was one of the biggest meltdown ever. Everything Southgate did were fireable decision. Shocking coach.
Because it is so funny.
I don't have a problem with the predominance of England talking points. This is an English language show, after all. The problem with these pundits is that they're resigned to "soccer" matches going the way they've gone for the past 50 years. The rules need to change if this sport is going to progress. There's pros and cons to the golden goal scenario but the pros outweigh the cons. In any case, too many international matches go to penalties under the rules as they are. I'm of a mind of reducing the size of the pitch, first of all, and then reducing the size of the squads to 9 v 9 in the first period of Extra Time and then 7 v 7 in the second phase before resorting to a penalty shootout. I'd also enlarge the size of the goal to a ten foot crossbar. Am I completely crazy?
It's absolutely embarrassing how an overrated garbage tier team like England gets so much coverage while actual champions like Italy or Argentina doesn't.
Completely
was just about to say that.
I wouldn’t call the team overrated they have really good players
Go watch Italian TV then.
@The Ugly Irish Lmao and England is very successful right? The Last time they won something Dinosaurs walked the Earth, the only thing England is successful at is bottling. In fact they are so successful In bottling that they bottled a 13 colony lead as well as the Indian subcontinent because some bald dude threatened to starve himself
Shaka is wrong about Grealish. Why can’t he come out and defend himself? Also, he never threw Southgate under the bus. He literally said that Southgate had made the right decision.
Shaka speaks from blm perspective, aka no fact checking
The studio is back with three lads for the first time in 16 months. Great to see.
My question is why didn’t they put rashford or Sancho in earlier in the game like 60th minute or something to help with the attack
Ya like to WIN it. Ole bottle job
He's lost faith with Rashford and he didn't seem to want to use Sancho that much
Southgate did not like Sancho. Purely personal. Rashford has some injury.
Southgate is the reason for England failure. Poor tactics. Lot of quality players, he don know when and how to use
Lot of quality player? That is England problem. Overhyping talent.
England have some wannabe alphas who show pride by taking off the silver medal. I mean its their first silver medal in Euros history. They needed to show some respect and accept the loss with grace. England still have light years to be anywhere near peak Spain , France or Germany tactically.
England is a top second tier team.
@@tatyeechan349 "Top tier 2" team is better. "Top second tier" is confusing, for me at least.
Yet England beat Germany and France could not even beat Switzerland
@@FeistyBunny I think he meant that this England team is light years away from peak Spain team that won b2b tournaments, Germany team that won WC, and France team that won WC.
England needs a manager that'll find away to use all the attacking talent southgate left on the bench.
Saka, a 19-year old, took his first-ever penalty in a senior game...in the Euro final given the responsibility for England's most important penalty in 55 years....to save them in their match...
Mind-blowing management.
They say that Southgate is a great manager, but he got very lucky with the opponents:
England's record in tournaments under Southgate:
Wins: Tunisia, Panama, Colombia (PK), Sweden, Croatia, Czech Rep, Germany, Denmark, Ukraine
Losses: Belgium, Croatia, Italy (PK)
Most of their wins were against average teams or fading teams (Croatia, Germany)
England always lose when they face a good team.
Under Venables, Hoddle, Eriksson, they had better managers and were unlucky to lose against Germany and Brazil, Argentina.
Southgate has no winning experience at club-level.....and it showed when he made his team play like Stoke in the final vs Italy.
English fans are going to look back at this euros and 18 WC and realize that Southgate squandered 2 of the easiest path to a international cup ever.
Spot on mate.
100% spot on. Prediction: crash out in Quatar in round of 16 or 1/4 finals. Two tournaments with easy roads to the semi finals. They will crack under the extreme pressure. Now, the fans will expect nothing less than a semi final. Not easy at all. The last 2 draws were unbelievably very pro-England.
Everyone now after the event is an expert
It called opinions mate. Nothing to do with being a expert.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I actually think southgate made the mistake during the match- too defensive
Please. A five year old knows to make subs earlier and not sit on your lead. Please.
No. I was against Southgates subs and tactics throughout. Needed more Foden, Graelish and Sancho. Especially when see Sterling not having his best game and Saka is great, but not best option for a final. Him on 5th pen is insanity and screamed it before he kicked the pen.
Exactly!! They didn’t even think England was good enough to even make it to the final🤦🏿♂️
The second half was a total tactical disaster .Grealish is England's only true
Footballer .
Grealish the mid level PL team player above Sancho (who has been ripping it up at Dortmund and regurarly played in the Champions league)? Okayy......
Harry Maguire played great the entire tournament. He deserves a lot of credit
no
Him and Phillips, best players
Jack Grealish did not back away from taking a penalty. Southgate simply didn’t trust him. The truth is that the young players probably took better penalties during practice
The practice is a dead system to decide
U need people with personality
Practice is not the championship. Easy in practice who can step up when it matters.
SouthGate brought on two players who got no playing time all tournament, one of the worst decisions I’ve seen
@King 👑 are you from India
You’re trying to justify taking pens in training where it’s a control environment in comparison to the actual finals with all the around you?
2:55 Completely agree with Craig. Other young player's have had careers that were killed for smaller and less important mishaps of confidence, so to do that to teenagers is great lack of forethought from Southgate.
That teenager kept Rashford sancho and foden out of the team the kid had confidence and thats why he stepped up damanroma was just on his game.
Gareth Southgate should have said immediately in no uncertain terms it was him who decided the order of Pens. Grealish just said he was going to take one, but the gaffer decided the order. Don't see anything wrong with that.
Guy is clueless - what manager in the world would keep his best players on the bench for the whole tournament
What manager in the whole world could get his team to a tournament final while keeping his best players on the bench?
Besides, Grealish is a fantastic dribbler that plays for Aston Villa and can often be an asset for England as a left forward. He’s not England’s best player. Sancho is a fantastic speedy dribbler that plays for Dortmund and can be an asset for England as a right forward. He’s not England’s best player.
Rashford: good player, inconsistent season. Jude Bellingham: fantastic potential but only 18. None of them are England’s best players.
And the players that did play all have more accomplishments than those I’ve listed.
Phil Foden, on the other hand…
Arguably, England’s most naturally gifted player, and he had 2 starts and came on once as a sub.
England’s missing piece wasn’t on the bench. We’re still missing a midfielder like a Modric or a Kroos or Jorginho type player to knit that team. Maybe, an Emile Smith-Rowe who’s an attacking midfielder for Arsenal could be a solution but let’s see.
@@Karma2Babylon What's staggering is that outta all of the U17 England players (those who were WC winners in 2017) only Sancho and Foden have featured in the senior side so far. The root of their problem is deeper than just at management level...
@@markiec8914
Yeah mate, I think people forget that England are still playing catch-up in terms of developing a footballing identity. St George’s park and the EPPP program are still in their infancy and even though they’re now starting to do the things that other nations have been doing for years, in developing more skilful, technical and tactical players, there’s still no efficient program for developing coaches that matches countries like Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.
That's not the point. We shouldn't have got to the penalties. We were wining in minute 2' of the match we could have crushed them only by putting Grealish on to finish them off. I am going to be England's new coach for F sake🙄
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You said it homie
@@yijapra6641 i did bro👍
Rashford 22 years old
Sancho 21 years old
Saka 19 years old......
Donnarumma 21 years old
You need to have a pool of players that you want to take the penalties. Based on those players mood after the game you select from that pool. You can also tell players mood based on the eye test in the huddle. If one of the players you wanted looked like they want no part of it you move on to someone else in the pool.
Chelsea 2012 penalty takers: Juan Mata, David Luiz, Frank Lampard, Ashley Cole & Didier Drogba. The 3 most experienced big game Chelsea players took the last penalties. That’s how it should work. If they lose they lose.
that order can work but Messi usually has stepped up first for Argentina and other teams also have their best player and most experienced go first
Denmark in their shootout had eriksen go first, Spain had busquets, Croatia had rakitic go later, but then Italy had jorginho to do the winning penalty
Order doesn’t really correlate to success
Go up there and get the goal
To have a guy like Saka that performs taking penalties in training, while there is not historical data for the opponent to study and analyze is a theoretical advantage. The big unknown and the apparent risk is: How will he perform under pressure? The latter was bigger in this case.
When Craig talks about Southgate, I tot he was talking about Ole
Southgate on the wheel~
Come on.. that's disrespectful to Ole!
Southgate is exactly like ole in international football. Both are lucky to get the job, both are clueless in substitutions and both are negative and defensive and style of football are bland and boring.
Enough of this penalty nonsense, we should have been bold enough to attack Italy and win it in normal time, or at least extra time.
On the bench he had several players who could have won the game In the second half he should have changed things to stop Italy dominating Negative tactics
Southgate missed a penalty kick in 1996 which eliminated England so his penalty kickers were just following in their coach's footsteps. Southgate should be proud.
Lol ,well at least English fans can't say they don't have tradition in football.
Why is no one not talking about just how good Donna is??it’s not about the players missing it’s about the keeper saving us aside rashford ofcourse
You can argue that the last two penalties were not very precise. They were pretty poor honestly. Rashford, at least, nearly got the goal. His penalty wasn't that bad
For all the talk about Italy “outplaying” England, it’s worth noting that Italy’s equaliser came from a set piece goalmouth scramble where the ball bounced kindly for Bonucci to get a tap in after Pickford saved the initial attempt from Chiellini.
England just didn’t do enough to win the game.
Folks should also note that unlike teams like Italy, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, etc, England don’t yet have a clearly defined style of attacking play because they don’t have a winning template to draw on. And no one remembers 1966 let alone how that team played to win it.
This England team is still struggling to find its footballing identity, which may be a function of the fact that for too many years prior to 2010 -2013 and the emergence of St George’s park and the EPPP program and other initiatives to develop young, more technically proficient players, England’s football authorities had wasted too many years tossing it off and settling for shortcut measures for success by hiring and firing managers - foreign and domestic - without any long term strategy or tactical plan that could be called the “England way” of playing to win.
There were too many wasted years of different managers/coaches doing different things that ultimately left fans confused about what the plan was for winning. At least, Southgate is trying to give the team some degree of identity, even if it’s a pragmatic one, and 2 goals conceded from set play throughout the whole tournament kinda supports his method. The challenge now for England is to work on developing an effective attacking style of play that, even if it doesn’t bring a trophy, could still serve as a template for future teams.
In short, England are still playing catch-up.
I find it amazing that people are actually moaning about the team and SG when they are showing progress. Last time semi's, now the final.
Look are the perfect no but are they improving, yes. I think you are right here.
Well said.
@@Karma2Babylon
They have Foden and Grealish already. Both should have gotten more playing time to increase the team’s possession and allow time for build up play.
One pacy forward is enough in the starting eleven in my opinion Other pacy forwards can come in later in the game when the opposition are tired. You need your most reliable ball handlers playing close together and forming the spine of your team, Maguire and Stones, Bellingham and Phillips, Foden or Greallsh, and Kane.
The English Football Association does not seem to be sold on this line of thinking yet I think.
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I hear you bro… but Foden, Saka, Grealish, Sancho, Rashford, Sterling- have not played with each other long enough to form a cohesive attacking unit that plays in a way where patterns of play are established and everyone knows what they’re doing. Most of those players are post WC18. If euros had happened last year most of those players wouldn’t be in the squad tbf.
Hopefully, the upcoming WC qualifiers will give GS the opportunity to try new things with his formations.
I did learn that FA are working on creating an England dna as they call it, where tactics and formations become second nature to the players, but I’m not quite sure if the current way of playing is the “England dna” they’re talking about.
Enlgish fans still dont want to watch the highlights of the game or any videos about the final. I feel their pain
I thought you guys already got used to it. 😂
@@vex_13 i was rooting for Spain to win but then chose Italy over England because of how their fans were behaving but i still feel bad for them
@@argentiskyblau159 ah i thought you are england fans.
@@vex_13 Whereabouts in Torino are you from?
khak khak khak khak khak
''It doesn't matter how big you are, it matter how you use it''
Brazil always used to say - "We don't need a defence, we will just score more goals than our opponents !". You don't win games by defending, you win games by scoring goals, full stop. Southgate tried to win by defending and that is a contradiction of terms and impossible at the same time.
I don’t agree with you or i agree partially, i think each team has its own style brazil won a lot by attacking cuz they have the players to do so but also if you look at a team like italy they also won a lot through history by defending cuz that’s their style no coincidence they are known as the masters of defending no team can do it like italy I don’t know what’s their secret but it is what it is , all i want to say is each team has its own style
Southgate has no 'feel' for the game. He takes off Henderson... like you don't think Hendo would have scored his penalty???
His record is terrible for England. With that said though, he’d have to step up and kick for me.
great take
He missed one in the warm up game against Austria.
Henderson missed against Colombia in the World Cup. And against Austria in a warm up game.
Well forget who is on penalties m8 he did seem to make some strange decisions in general I mean Henderson came off the bench in the first place so he subbed a sub he did the same with grealish against Denmark I cant understand that at all personally but as far as the penalties are concerned to bring rashford and sancho on with one minute to go just to take a penalty when neither player had the chance to get into the game was quite bizarre really I have never seen any manager do this before m8? 😎😎
Pundits are the most “outcome bias” people in the world. To think, if Marcus Rashford’s penalty kick been 3 inches to the left and hit the post and gone in, England would probably have won and today they would have been talking about the genius of Southgate.
Yeah, and if Harry Kane hadn't had a lucky rebound off Schmichael England won't have been in the final!
@@stanleybuchan4610 you win and you’re a great manager. You lose and you’re s**t. Never a middle ground, when God knows the only difference between success or failure in a football match is often the bounce of a ball this way or that.
Italy weren't the one attacking team at this Euro. There have been few great attacking teams like Czechs, Denmark, Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Switzerland. This was the best Euro in terms of attacking football (more goals scored than in last 4-5 Euros). And it's only logical and good that attacking team won in the end and not negative risk-free stuffy team like England with overrated players.
Italy has had the highest passing (after Spain), tackles, chances created and ground covered. I think you have been watching a different tournament...
@@markiec8914 I think you lack reading comprehension.
Gary has 1 more chance at best. Having the youngest Lions, who barely broke a sweat to take PK's in our first int'l final is moronic, plain and simple.
well put. we see this. But as you say its just asinine decision-making. Gareth got heart but not brains.
They should make the change now. The quality is there to go the distance but cannot win with Southgate in charge
Instead of Blaming Southgate, u should instead admit Donnaruma is best goalkeeper rite now.
@@soktaunxb3586 finally someone sees sense!! It's funny how former England managers are still revered today...I'm talking about the likes of Greenwood, Robson and Venables...and yet Southgate gets lambasted when he guides England to back-to-back major Semifinals for the first time EVER in their history, gets them to their first final in 55 years in a tournament where, let's be clear, they didn't lose a game AND didn't concede a goal till the semifinal. And yet....England fans still delude themselves that they are better. IN COMPARISON TO WHAT EXACTLY???
Easy to criticized when you are not in the manager’s shoes.
Their job is to criticise manager's decisions
Stop. Gareth gets ( way too much) big money to do his job right. He had ALL the arsenal.
The critics doesn’t make sense. He brought England to the final of euro for the first time and lost on penalties. If donarumma didn’t save saka penalty or rashford haven’t hit the bar and scored, then Southgate would have been the best manager in the world eh
@@cresleyc5391 England has better quality players overall. Gareth couldn't build a solid team. Italy has a super-strong mentality and they took the game back after the first half. That is something England failed to build. The same problem for Belgium. If Mancini was the coach of Belgium or England, the result would have been much different.
@@cresleyc5391 exactly lol, lose by tiny margins and you flop from hero to failure.
The issue started from the formation, why you play defense in ur own field with 60 thousand fans? This coach luck of experience , even though he reached semi final and final that doesn't Mean anything if don't win...He was the one blamed for big and shameful lose....In his Career, not winning big trophies so he doesn't know how to win big games and trophies.
Southgates lack of belief that his team could win cost them ,,Remember a few years ago England were knocked out by Iceland and I think they still lack confidence .I think scoring quickly was a bad thing because they just sat back and defended after that .If 80 minutes 0-0 I think they might have finally brought on the attack minded players
The beginning of the end started after the 1-0 when they start with Italian catenaccio (without knowing to do it) hoping to resist for another 87’min….🤷🏽♂️
Penalties are a lottery, with many small things can affected the final result
England were to conservative did not take enough risks in this final especially after that first goal Gareth should have pushed his team faster and harder against the two older defenders
Two older chiellini didnt let touch one ball to kane🤣🤣🤣🤣
Where Southgate failed had nothing to do with the shootout. It was the terrible play style he forced that ended up with a shootout.
That's what tasteless England fans get for booing players who were actually injured. 🇮🇹
Didn't know fans were taking penalties and playing on the field.
England not winning is karma for the disrespectful fans
@King 👑 lay off the crack
He doesn't have the personality to win the final. He's not a killer. He almost won. In reality Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades not cup finals.
He's done way better than any manager since 66.
@@MrSitemaster2 it isn't an achievement, England should be winning left right and centre yet we are failed and misled every tournament
@@ilovemsminutes5833 England ain't that good so It's an achievement for England: France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Portugal etc would have loved to have been in that final.
@@MrSitemaster2 England has the so called best striker in attack, sancho on the wings and sterling. They have a champions league level midfield in mount and Henderson, and some of the best fullbacks in the world in Chilwell Shaw and Kyle walker, thier Central defence is solid, and pickford is excellent, only france and a few other nations can boast strength in EVERY position, sadly England has no elite managers.
@@ilovemsminutes5833 France had Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema who are even better and World Cup winners. And they still didn't get as far as England.
Why didnt Southgate go for the win?! Kane and Sterling were gassed by the end of the first half! He had kids on the bench waiting to stick the dagger into the Italians! Rashford, Sancho and Grealish would have made the Azzuri pay for leaving their defense the same thru out the Euro.
Southgate has to go.
The Italian midfield dominated the game in the 2nd half, and England couldn't get the ball to their forwards in attacking positions, so it wouldn't have mattered who England had up front.
When the show is good, it's gooood!! Loved the discussion.
I hadn't seen any team using 2 subs just for pens taking before this match. It was absolutely mad.
Outrageous.
Before the final, Southgate was considered to be knighted 😂😂
Well he was a couple of penalty kicks away from being knighted and now he is a complete idiot m8 obviously I am being sarcastic typical British media but yes I do agree he could have been more offensive tactically but Italy deserved to win it really m8 to be honest? 😎😎
Good, sensible, calm discussion. Doesn’t happen enough on this show
England didn't deserve to win after that disgraceful dive from Sterling. Football Gods were always watching.
You criticize Gareth but you are blind. Your players on the night of the defeat danced and drank while partying. In reality, from the images, you couldn't have distinguished who won or lost the game if you hadn't seen or read the news. When Spinazzola was injured against Belgium, the changing room was silent after the victory. Nobody celebrated the victory. The faults are not all of Gareth, but also of the whole system and the divas mentality of your talented players.
England don’t have a proper mentality, similar to Portugal, Spain, and France. This is why they should’ve never been regarded as a contender……
Identity politics has crept into football. Diversity and inclusion madness of Liberals who are obsessed with skin color instead of meritocracy and capability. The three black guys who missed the penalty were picked because of identity politics(skin color) but not because they were the best to take those penalties.
@@user-xf5to6jh2c better mentality, it goes without saying, but have always been Italian and German
The system. The Quenn must have paid for there trip to the finals and getting every game at home. With large crowds. He lost the game when he set up with 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders. Than a lucky goal 2 min in beautiful and, let's defend for 88 minutes now. Good job 👏. Kane no impact after minute 5, same with Sterling blah blah blah. Pathetic coaching in a final
@@justicearibiegbe1 hmm you say? Didn't think to that until now, idk
England did have chances to win the final. But that was down to individual player ability/or mistakes from Italy. Not the team nor management decisions. Although I'm Italian, let me give a little tip. The difference between a winner and a second-place finisher is that you step into the field to win it all. You don't play "safe", you don't give Italy all the possession which is when they play at their best. England set out to reach the final. Italy set out to win it. People seem to forget that in 30 years no one is going to care about second place at the Euro 2020. And Italy played knowing that, while England did not.
Ps: as a fact id go as far as to quote CR7, "whatever my son does, in football or not, I want him to be the best". England was the best team, but they played without confidence, without building momentum. Looking at the talent on display for England vs Italy, we should have lost. But we played to win, confident we would always find a way for the Italian people. England played to not lose.
As an English person I 100% agree with you. We played not to lose and it cost us. I just don’t understand how Southgate didn’t calculate the risk of going to penalties. I would’ve demanded a second goal, I’m no expert but I knew we would not win that contest.
@@CMJames I mean southgate himself said that pks are "a toss of a coin". But on the pinch his strategy seemed to be to go to pks. Very strange in my opinion. I like Southgate but a team full of potential and stars needs to play more like Spain does. And really maximize the use of their strengths. Aka physicality and pace down the wings.
Totally agreed, Southgate did not trust his subs in the right way as in bring them on earlier and was way too defensive
I don’t have a problem with the penalty kickers selected. My issue was how he used his attacking talent at these euros. High profile players at their clubs. He used them awfully. Secondly I think he wanted these penalty kickers(black boys) to be a heroes of a racist nation but it backfire now they are villains.
A racist nation wouldn't have black players in the team to begin with would they now ?
@@macro8236 It isn't the nations decisions(collectively)
legit a minority of british people are racist but it is a racist country
@@macro8236 this is such a dumb comment. Wow 😮
I think your over thinking it
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If you want to use players like mount foden grealish Maddison Harvey Barnes Saka sancho u need a techinically gifted manager like klopp teuchel and guardiola, especially guardiola . You need to employ a coach that will teach the players ball retention and possession , England might need a Spanish manager
What's Shaka talking about? Grealish has every right to defend himself and he didn't say anything wrong.
I completely agree with you m8 its refreshing to hear something interesting from a football player of course he has the right to defend himself over not taking a penalty I mean its obvious southgate picked the five players he brought two of them on to the pitch with barely a minute to go In extra time so it's on him for me anyway the irony is he thought about it in great detail and it still counts for nothing m8? 😎😎
i will say this a million times craig burly is the best analyst were England were average there is a lot of talent there
He is absolute rubbish. Everyone & their mother knows England are v talented & could have 'played' better football. An average team does not make Semi WC & Final Euros back to back.
Agreed.
Craigs’ assessment of England’s performance was spot on.
Taking penalties in training compare to final of a Euro is like practicing free kicks w 1 person wall all day and scoring to taking a actuall free kick w 5-6 person wall. Its easier to score every penalty in training ground w no conciquences and taking a most important penalty in history of ur country w millions of people watching, specially when u’r not apenalty taker and have never taken penalty for ur club or country before. Its like asking pickford to play as astriker on final cause he asked u to
The truth of the matter is, that this England team was fortunate to be in the Euros final. England by far had the easiest route to the final of all the teams in the finals.
The route to the final was pretty much designed for England to win and they still lost. Gareth Southgate is not the manager to get England over the 55yr + drought. Southgate lacked ingenuity, creativity with his tactics and had overall poor squad management.
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3 🦁 GREALISH, KANE, STERLING. Phillips 👍
Harry Maguire best player in tournament
Well done Italy ! Southgate should have considered Pep Guardiola's statement he once made: "There is nothing more risky than not taking any risks."
England’s speed created the 2 minute goal but they went back to defend after the 20th minute it became clear they were willing to hold and not even counter attack overwhelmingly with speed
Love it when u see these guys sitting in a studio and preaching as if they were 6 time ballon d'or in their days
Oh yeah I forgot you're not allowed to criticize someone, I'm not allowed to criticize a footballer because I'm not a professional footballer myself
Idiots like you don't want to hear otherwise how could you look down upon them while your elitist mentality 🤫🤦
They’ve actually won more than Southgate pal
Donnorumma(sic) is a beast. Pickford is not. That would've been the difference, but cold legs and timid play left England looking weak. This is all on Southgate.
I haven't been a particular fan of Pickford, but he had a great tournament. He's won me over.
Pickford saved as many pens as the great Donnarumma!
Southgate blew it! He was more concerned about not being ripped apart by Italy than actually going for it and winning it! He said as much in his conference...'we took Italy down to the wire and didn't get ripped apart by them' So annoyed!
FACT: Gareth Southgate’s outstanding leadership skills took England to the European football final championship. It was 56 years ago since England last qualified for the final. He deserves better recognition and for his team. Young guns!🎉🎉🎉👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
i don't give Southgate any credit for England reaching the final. they had an easy draw the whole way aside from Germany and they have one of the most talented squads in the tournament. if England had a manager of Mancini's caliber, they probably win the tournament. Southgate's team selection and tactics were questionable throughout the tournament. and no surprise, his choices for the penalty-takers ended up being questionable as well.
Germany are in era of their worst generation of football.
@@homosapien5140 they still have a lot of good players. on paper they had the strongest team England played until Italy.
@@evanclp514 but that Germany side as a team have been on the decline since 2018. They’ve been doing pretty bad since. Not taking away from England but would they have won that match had they gone up against a traditionally strong German side? In my view, I don’t think so.
Thank god england lost lol.
I would’ve quit trolling if ESPN won as a scot
All these peeps talk about how England lost it, not how Italy was just the best team of Euro 2020
the guy has no clue my grandma can be head coach of England and go far in any tournament the players are fantastic so much talent
Englands best performance was 1st half vs Italy. That's how they should play every game
They faded after 20 mins.
Sadly we wont see another final with England in it for another 50 years. Southgate must quit
You always put your best 1st. Good start helps relieve pressure.
The best comment on this whole situation with England is from Gareth Southgate himself. Asked about playing 3 at the back he said "I have to make big decisions If they don't come off, I'm dead." They did not come off in the Final.