Understanding The Art World
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2020
- Why are so many artists starving? I believe it is because most of them don't understand that there is not one "Art World" but a collection of different "Art Villages". If you don't understand this it is very difficult to make a living from the sale of your art.
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Tim! I have 3 art degrees and taught art to kids for 20 yrs and this is the most concise explanation of the ART WORLD and what the heck VILLAGE I should be in! This is pure gold. I am 57 and finally able to paint full time, but my college training wants me to EXPRESS SOME POLITICAL/EMOTIONAL CONUNDRUM while I am painting PLEIN AIR hahahaha. This is helpful beyond measure. Your generosity with your hard won experience is awesome. THANKS
Hi Joan 😊👍🏻 that’s the classic conundrum if you mix between the different villages.👍🏻 I sometimes get people asking me what is the “meaning” behind my work. I jokingly tell them that it means I love beautiful images with luscious colour and a dramatic light effect. I then get a little more serious and explain about post modernism... making it clear that this “is not for me” and advising them that if they want a work with some deeper political meaning... they should go find an artist who does that type of work😊
@@timpackerfinearts at my university in Virginia (1980s) we were urged to dwell in the negative emotions and Van Gogh was sort of idolized as the MAD GENIUS lol. I can testify that anxiety and depression do NOT make you a better artist. I am a light and color fan as well, and I am on a spiritual path, so I just chalked my subject matter up to that!🤣 there is this sort of other village (sub village?) of artists around here (dc metro) who paint super realistically in the style of "yore" (renaissance concepts) and there is an air of "real artist" abt them. It's the ATELIER scene. I m NOT in that but at one time I thought it was my only hope. At 57 I am finally painting "my way"
Thanks again. Off to watch more of your videos. 😊
The key is to search for and find “your voice “... to heck with what anyone else is doing 👍🏻😊🖌🎨
So, you’re NOT an artist. You’re an art TEACHER. Huuuuge difference! Sadly (or thankfully?), too many people are fantastic at art and doing it as a hobby. But nobody buys original fine arts. People have cameras on their phones now, they’re ok to take a picture of a person or a landscape. Art is no longer required, so it’s unnecessary luxury. People just don’t buy original pieces ever. Ikea prins made in poor countries are barely even selling. People are broke, fat and lack taste.
Set aside one hour a day to make art, any type. After a month it will be habit and you will drastically increase your skill. Family and friends may discuss the subject with you and you will be exposed to many different ideas.
I love this channel. Tim Packer has helped a lot of people. He's the Dave Ramsey of the art world.
My favorite books (for learning about art):
- Art and Fear by David Bayles
- How To Be An Artist by Jerry Saltz
- Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
I already had a very clear view of my goals. But this video is by far one of the most informative videos I've ever watched on how the art market works.
Glad you found it helpful 😊👍
Yes, art niche is not just corrupt galleries. There’s more complexity, so it’s difficult to understand what to focus on and which sub-specialty to choose to improve upon. It’s important to select a narrow niche and start imitating role models asap. I gotta go do me some thinkin’ Great video ❤
After many years of working inside the art world, and struggling to understand its mystery, it is the very first time that I heard something so clear, precise, and into the point. Thank you for this great video.
Absolutely my pleasure 😊👍🏻
Not even finished watching the video and I just had to comment. Wow! So much valuable information, I’m blown away! I believe I’m in that third village of commercially selling artwork-at least I’m trying to be. I’m still in the phase of developing my skill, and I can really understand the importance of being highly skilled in this field.
Thank you for your words of wisdom! I’m going to have to watch this video again. :)
Akenn Art my pleasure 😊👍🏻
Extremely well done, Tim. Thanks for your time and sharing what amounts to years of trial and error and expertise.
trentriver my pleasure Trent 😊👍🏻
By far the best explanation about the art world/market out there. Totally underrated.
I am so thankful I ran across your channel. Thank you for all of this information and for breaking all of this down in a way I have never heard before.
So glad you found it helpful 😊👍
It's kind of you to still help others when your flying. Thank you. You're a good man.
owen evans absolutely my pleasure😊🙏 Karma is practical 😉
Just came across this video today. I must echo many of the comments here-this is the best explanation I have ever heard concerning the contemporary art world. I like some postmodern contemporary art. In fact, Marcel Duchamp is one of my favorite artists! But most of today’s art is so devoid of skill it drives me crazy as to why it’s so successful. Your explanation makes perfect sense! And it helps me narrow my focus for my art. Thank you! So much gold here. Blessings sir, you gained a new follower!
love to hear that. Cheers🙂
This guy is fantastic! Such good, clear info
Thanks so much 😊👍
Great video, clear and concise. Thanks
my pleasure 😊
Hi Tim. Nice to meet you via CZcams comments. Like many of the other commenters, I applaud your simple explanation. It takes a great mind to simplify something complex - unlike what the postmodernists do.
I am one of the lucky few that have been able to make a good full-time living independently, with subject matter that many might consider a bit less safe for the retail art fair market. Yet it has worked. I would love to hear what book(s) you might recommend that expose the post modern art world for what it is, or about postmodernism in general. Thanks again.
Hi Steve, I haven’t actually found any books that deal with this subject… I’ve come to my opinions by watching CZcams videos and reading online articles… mostly by proponents of the post modernist movement… wher I have reached my own conclusions that the entire concept is a crock😉👍
Finally found this video again. I can't believe I didn't bookmark it after searching for it the first time. This is an amazing video.
love to hear that ❤ thanks 🙏
I cannot thank you enough for this info, Tim. Thank you so so much. I graduated from my fine art degree in 2002 and this information was never available as part of my art education (and it should be mandatory!)
So glad you found it helpful 😊👍
Omg, you studied a.. hobby at art school? Why? 😂 Ok ok, your parents must be loaded. No real person will go to art “school”. Why condemn yourself to be a burger flipper? Or work with annoying children, as some low level teacher (not actual ARTISTI) Weird…
Many thanks Tim, you are a gentleman with the good way you deliver your advice and guidance. I appreciate it.
My pleasure Mary😊🙏
Glad you found it helpful 😊👍
Thank you for your honesty.
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Great explanation. Thanks!
This is some incredible information put very simply and not over-explained. Thank you for putting your time into this kind of video. It really does make a difference to “starving artists” like myself.
Once you understand this concept of “art villages” you can actually start putting strategies in play to succeed in the village you choose.👍🏻
Art is a hobby. Not a profession. Nobody buys original fine arts. 99.99% of artists WILL continue to starve, because they are trying to earn from a HOBBY. But nobody cares, people simply don’t buy original fine art pieces. Look into their homes! Vast majority of people are fat, broke and lack taste. It definitely shows. But yes, artists are only hobbyists. Oh well, there are tons of real useful jobs out there. Art is for pleasure and should remain as a joyful hobby experience.
This is really helpful. Thanks for generously sharing your wisdom.
My pleasure 😊🙏
This is excellent. I wish I heard it explained this well decades ago. Can't wait for your classes - you are an excellent teacher and your analogies are really easy to grasp. Glad everything is ok - I have missed your videos.
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Incredible video Mr. Packer, I have never heard this theory being explained so clearly. Looking forward to what you have next. You would make a fantastic podcast narrator!
I actually have just started a podcast here’s a link to the first episode 👍🏻
podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS84NDU4MzkucnNz/episode/QnV6enNwcm91dC0yNjY3NTk1?hl=en-CA&ep=6
Extremely informative! Thank you!
my pleasure😊
appreciated your explanation in terms in villages. wonderful!
My pleasure
I am so glad I found this video at this point in my life. I have family members who live in Oshawa, would love to visit your workshops one day when I am there again!!
annoif8 sounds like a plan 😊👍🏻
I went to a post modernist focused art school. I get what you're saying for sure! I do think that all the art villages play off of and influence each other in varying degrees.
I love illustration, painting, and sculpture. Sculpture is the easiest one for me but takes too long. Illustration is my favorite but again takes to long. Painting has become my default and I've gotten pretty good at it but it is so hard to find my voice. I just keep painting random stuff and traditional stuff and it looks great but I don't feel that I have a voice yet. I found my style by using my imagination rather than reference to finish my paintings but I'm still woking at it I guess. I don't like to over detail and like to simplify instead. I also like to have real texture on my work even if it doesn't look great on pictures. Thanks for all the information on this video. Good to know skill is still appreciated out there.
Thank you! This was really REALLY helpful.
Monty Kirkman my pleasure 😊🙏
Thank you.
my pleasure 😊🙏
I understand the art world better now. Thank you!
Glad you found it helpful 😊👍
Thanks for your experienced teaching. i'm a bit lost in wich direction to take but currently training in the digital, traditional and conceptual skills, and it's confusing to me how to find the correct people or team to be able to get into a certain village like. I love your art so much, wish the best.
Daniela Pren 😊👍🏻🙏
Superb advice!
glad you found it helpful 😊
Thank you !
My pleasure !
You are best. Very helpful.❤
Thanks 😊🙏
Your message on villages is well said!
Kristina Bryson 😊👍🏻
Excellent video.
H Max thanx😊🙏
Never heard that stuff about POST MODERNISM BEFORE!That is definitely not my world! I am going to start trying to draw again ...and we will see how that goes , after 2 eye surgeries and floaters and years of not painting ,so if all goes well maybe I will contact you next time. For now I just hope my eyes and myself do not give me too much trouble God Willing . but I will keep watching you thank u Stephen
Thats the great thing about art🎨👍 we can put it down when life gets in the way🤨 and then pick it back up when are circumstances allow😁❤
Love this!
Love to hear that 😊❤️
Thank you for breaking this down so clearly. I just have one question. What do you mean by "conceptual knowledge" when you are referring to the art workshops and then to graphic design? Thank you.
By conceptual knowledge I mean the theory of composition ... which refers to the way the viewer’s mind and Eye react to visual cues on the canvas. The artist can engage the viewers eye in a visual dance by arranging the shapes, colours, values, edges in a certain way. Understanding composition allows the artist to do tgis👍
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I’m an illustrator-i draw animals doing cute things, often wearing human clothes…II I had a dollar for every time I’m asked about the deeper meaning of my work…”it’s a mouse using a leaf for an umbrella 😂” and this is the general public asking
It’s like asking Chubby Checkers for the deeper meaning of the “Twist” 😉😂
12:47.....absolutely true! You have to be skilled and unique to succeed.
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Tim have you got a podcast? If not, this can definitely be turned into a podcast episode. So much value!!
Yes I do ... and that’s a great idea 😊👍🏻
Thank you for these videos, Tim!
I've been painting for about 7 years and I've used several different styles/techniques over the years. My plan has been to find whichever method and style and subjects I enjoy doing the most and try to only do those... after all what's the point of being an artist if you can't paint the way you like best and paint the subjects you like best? After listening to this video, I hear you mentioning the importance of having a "unique voice" once again. This is something I agree with, and I wonder, if you just evolve normally as an artist won't you naturally develop a unique voice without doing anything special besides continuing to paint?
If you are just aimlessly pushing paint around you “might” or “might not” find your own unique voice that is also “great art”. There are strategies that you can put into practice that will make it much more likely that your voice finds you 👍🏻
@@timpackerfinearts I look forward to hearing more of your advice on this, and what strategies you recommend. I've never heard any other artists use the phrase "unique voice," though they may be using the word "niche" instead. "Unique voice" seems like a clearer way of putting it, because it explicitly implies the need for your work to have something special or different from what others have in their work.
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Awesome video
Thanks 😊👍🏻
Thank you for this :)
My pleasure😊👍🙏
Thank You Thank You You cleared my confusions Thank Yo
Bello Ahmed absolutely my pleasure 😊👍🏻
Thank you, found you on Ticktoc.
lovevancouverisland my pleasure 😊🙏
“No amount of business solutions can fix an art problem “
Yes!!! I’m so wary of the vultures who sell $1000 courses to beginners or hobby artists
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My skill level has been increasing greatly of late. Except, I don't see the point of selling a few pieces of great art. After I accomplish 30-50 pieces of really great art, I will then think about the business end. I have done a few pieces of commissioned art for a very substantial price. Never give your work away for cheap. I see way too much of that on the internet. If you want to work cheap, simply come to the Midwest USA. We have massive easy cheap labor jobs.
Am an artist and I try to market artist but art work has its on people,and those people are hard to get
What do you think about NFTs/digital collectibles?
I’m not sure about how those will do. Time will tell
@@timpackerfinearts Shoot been working beautifully for me and my peeps. Highly recommend looking into them💪🏽
I didn’t understand that about post modernism, explains why the art seems so politically rebellious. The art that gets exhibited this side is very much in the post modernism category. Such an eye opener
I assume that duck taped banana 🍌 was post modernism
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It makes sense once you understand the political ideology👍🏻
Wish I was good enough to join a village ;^)
I just paint because it beats the alternative
Tom Lynch said he sold his first watercolour to his babysitter. There is a collector for every artist
Yes... the reason I paint is because the only other alternative is not to paint... and that is just not an acceptable option 👍🏻🖌🎨
have u ever heard sweet potatos are the better version of pumpkin?
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There all nuts!
If anyone can drip paint and I think we can agree that anyone can drip paint why is there is only one Jackson Pollock and no one else?
Because knowing how to drip is more difficult than to paint a fake Mona Lisa.
Same think with photography there are billions of people that take photos but only one Bresson or Man Ray
Jackson Pollocks success had more to do with what was going on in the art world at the time including big money galleries and collectors and America’s need to claim one of their own as the next great artistic voice. Had he not been the one “picked” to be that voice I suspect none of us would have ever heard of him 😉🤔
Great article, but I find the switch to side view a bit distracting. It seems new with the last couple videos and as a long term fan, I don't like it. It makes it feel like a expose.
Just trying to make the video more interesting. A “talking head” video with one camera is generally accepted as too boring... and people tune out🤔
1:15 except if you are Michael Jordan xD
The Michael Jordan’s of the world are very rare... and he also outworked and out practiced his competition👍🏻
You totally skipped a village of the painter who is trying to break into the blue chip galleries, then into auction houses. The artists like Neo Rauch, John Currin, Kehinde Wiley, Kaws, Murakami ect... You went from dead blue chip artists to commercial galleries with artists that do landscapes and art for decorations.
Yes you are right... this video is catered to those who are just trying to make a living from their art. Once that is accomplished then yes ... the “blue chip” living artists also get their work sold in the auction houses.
Virtually all of those blue chip artists initially started out in the lower end commercial galleries or at art festivals.
I have an American Art Collector magazine from a number of years ago that features work from Kehinde Wiley at an art Festival in the Hamptons.
Artists don’t just magically appear at the top end Galleries or Auction houses.... It is a process often taking many years 😊👍
@@timpackerfinearts If you could give more information on this it would be great. I know a little bit, i believe most of these blue chip fine artists are plucked from MFA art programs from well known art schools like Yale. Into mid range art galleries, then move up into the high end galleries. Avoiding the art fairs and commercial galleries. The question i have is, is there another way of catching these mid- high end blue chip galleries eyes without coming from Yale? I'm a classical painter/pop artist that would love to get into a gallery that could promote my career in a serious manner to be collected and grow. Thank you for your response.
@@jeanmichelbasquiat4444 the only way I know of getting into the highest end Galleries is by consistently creating great work that the public loves.
I have been represented by two of Canada’s top galleries and they approached me because a) they loved my work and b) I had a proven track record of consistent sales at reasonably high prices.
Galleries are just like any other business... they want to carry work that will sell😊👍
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This is a very simplistic and inaccurate view of art. Sculpture/installation takes plenty of skill-in some ways more so than painting. I’m a painter/drawer (mostly abstract, but occasionally realistic to study and for fun) that dabbles a bit in sculptural objects and studied/trained in installation art. You have to learn how to use and manipulate many different materials: wood, steel, clay, concrete, wax, plastic, etc. So quality is extremely important in making meaningful, impactful work that takes plenty of skill and creativity. This type of work doesnt necessarily have to be postmodern or modern-it’s just conceptual-and there certainly isn’t some requirement that it be ugly. In fact it’s the very opposite-quality and aesthetics are paramount. Crappy, ugly, and disingenuous artworks are just crappy, ugly and disingenuous artworks in any medium. Doesn’t matter whether it’s abstract or realistic, paint or clay, photos or drawings, from life or conceptual, and postmodern or modern. What matters is integrity, rigor, intelligence, skill, sensitivity and quality. Your views are very prejudicial, narrow, uninformed and just plain wrong when it comes to commercial success. There are many factors that are involved: temperament, psychology, social skills, work ethic, money, ability, opportunity, support, education, and probably most of all-self promotion.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion… I stand by mine 😊