The Skyrim Secret Bethesda's Still Hiding
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- Skyrim is a game that left players asking many questions, but perhaps one of The Elder Scrolls 5's greatest mysteries is what happens after The Dark Brotherhood takes down Emperor Titus Mede II. The Dark Brotherhood story in Skyrim, ends with the guild completing a final contract on the emperor and players were left to wonder what would happen next and who would assume the Imperial Throne now. In today's video we'll examine this plot in detail and explain why we really took down the emperor in The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim.
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Never should’ve come here
Someone stole my sweetroll
Fallout 76's launch state
No
I hate elves.
My wife called me ratchet for taking the emperor's shoes and robes. I mean, where else am I gonna get emperor clothes, right?
Yeah, you're right
@@alendurr1033 exactly! Thank you! Although you can obviously get a set from the decoy emperor but time is a little short there
@@captaincriticize8050 ye, you're already kinda in a hurry to not die, and it really isn't on your mind atm
I was the same with the wedding clothes, i needed them!
@@adminaccess8713 of course, can't leave without it
Honestly I think the Dragonborn should become the next emperor. He could literally just walk into the capital and demand the throne due to divine right, and if anyone tried to stop them... well we all know what happened to Alduin.
This needs more likes. This idea is awesome! I would love it if the Dragonborn could just become the Emperor like that
If he is the Dragonborn, then he should very much have a legitimate claim to the throne due to ancient history.
I don't think it would be quite enough to just be born a Dragonborn, but would also need proof of blood ancestral lineage to the monarchy itself in order to legitimize the claim to the throne and subject to the approval of the council if the family lineage claim could be proven satisfactorily. Otherwise, a civil war amongst the nobilities could ensue over who can or cannot claim the throne...
@@wv1swlamatswl523 I mean the lore says that the Septim lineage was given the right of being the emperor due to them being linked to Akatosh. Dragonborn has this same link, so thus he is divinely linked to the Septim line.
Also I doubt civil wars would be too big of a deal, since we did handle the civil war of Skyrim.
Yeah, but you know how it goes. You need the Dragonborn to do something for the Empire, and he's gone to save some random guy in some random ruin to get some random loot.
I just like the way Nate refers to the hit on the Emperor as a "horrifying assassin accident." He makes it sound like the Emperor tripped and fell on an assassin.
I was just showing him my knives, and he tripped and fell on them. Totally an accident.
he forgot to tie his shoes smh
That's not how it happened in your playthrough? Hmm I must be doing something wrong.
He just walked onto my sword officer, I swear!
considering how incompetent of an Emperor he was, I wouldnt rule that out
I like the "Titus assassinated himself" theory because a disgraced emperor abdicating in favor of one of his heirs does nothing to improve faith in the throne but an emperor assassinated *in Skyrim during its rebellion* would do wonders to unify a fracturing society under the imperial banner, regardless of who the heir might be.
Yes, but then Titus' last wish doesn't seem all that logical
@@_argurios8253 If the emperor put the hit on himself, then it makes sense to have Amaund--his conspirator--killed to ensure that the truth never comes out.
@@_argurios8253 Of course it does, he doesn't want anyone to be able to torture motierre and find out what really happened. And the Thalmor were FAMOUS for torture, even for seemingly useless information about important enemies' childhood or something of that nature. Much less being in skyrim at the time of the Emperor's assassination as one of the most powerful families in Cyrodiil that isn't even Imperial blood.
@@_argurios8253 tying up loss ends
@@_argurios8253 he could have wanted someone else on the throne
"Please give me a quick death"
*dragonborn readies fire spells*
Well, fire does do extra damage if the opponent is already on fire, so it is a rather hasty death.
At least it aint thunder or frost magic.
Prepares poisoned coated arrow with paralysis for 4578997668 seconds
Raises claws.
Qff Qff Wbhjob The Spiffing Britt would know lmao
Readies the wabbajack
Emperor: "In my helm, none will know who you are."
Me: "You really think nobody will notice the emperor suddenly grew a tail?"
This one is good at tricking people, but not that good.
Or loses a beard.
@@Leto85 Suddenly losing a beard is the easy one, it'd be growing way too much more of a beard that would stand out.
@@Glomoro True. But I imagine emperors with beards seem to be fond of them.
If I'm about to fight an army of elves the emporer could be a dragon for all I care
The best Elder Scrolls quote is the Dragonborn to Amaund: “You have opened the door to darkness, little man.”
Say fellas, did someone mention the Door to Darkness?
I never heard the Dragonborn speak before….only shout…
“YOU HAVE OPENED THE DOOR TO DARKNESS, LITTLE MAN!!!!”
@@spurkellz Gwarsh, I hope donald does something fucking useful for once 😂
@@mayravixx25 TRUE
I think that changes in Motierre's appearance could've been intentional. The guy thought that his plan to take out the Emperor was ruined with the DB, and he had all reasons to think that Penitus Oculatus would come for him next. So, the logical thing to do in this position is to hide. We also know that there's a certain "face sculptor" who lives in the Ragged Flagon, and changing your appearance certainly can help with hiding from the Emperor's intelligence service.
I totally agree. This is what I believed happen. Why wouldn't you change your appearance so the assassin cannot identify him because he doesn't look the same.
Ohhhh that makes so much sense
That makes a lot of sense. But idk why, I kind of like the idea of Motiere sending a body double to get assassinated and I have absolutely no proof of this
Or it could be a another oxhorn case where their mods fucked up the details and it actually was originally identical with a few changes but the mod screwed that up
@@TheNephilimofEmpireCity honestly i never noticed he looked different at all and i play unmodded so its definetly possible they are the same
One reason I like the theory that the Emperor called a hit on himself is that the book that describes how to contact the Dark Brotherhood can be found in his ship’s bedroom.
That should have been in the video, thats a huge clue
but why would they have a decoy be killed if he wanted to be killed
@@whjt I figure the guard captain guy wouldn't let him go to the tasting and Meade couldn't argue too much without seeming suspicious. The line where he says "And once again I prove [guard captain] the fool." made me think that.
I feel like that’s a coincidence. I’ve noticed that locations that are relevant to certain quest lines leave relevant books. Like throughout the main quest “The book of the Dragonborn” can be found in many locations.
True but why not fake his assassination instead? Live out the rest of his days in the country side rather than die brutally.
If the Nightmother said the Emperor is dead then I mean, he’s dead. Sithis would know if we were deceived and the Nightmother would tell us.
@Spoods Noodle Doodles lmao
The nightmother can be less trustful than you think, in oblivion she literally let a traitor destroy the brotherhood even tho she had a listener because she thought they were weak, she may be ubdercovering that too for her own purposes.
No...
The Face Changer in the Ragged Flagon
Sithis doesn't even exist as sn entity in the tes universe, the night mother is just boethiah and she lies to the brotherhood at least sometimes
@@inaciobarbosa9396 Yep, that is Mephala for you.
I find it weird that I can walk around in the emperor's clothing and then everyone will just be like "geez I wonder who killed the emperor it's do weird" when I talk to em like hello?? I am wearing the biggest "I killed the emperor it was me" sign on my back lmao
funny
@@cedricmichaud552 funny
Maybe they are to afraid to say anything, you are the one that killed the literal emperor and all his men on his own boat , not to mention you are the champion of multiple God like beings, the figure head of multiple clans, and have slain the word ender himself, and oh can't forget the armory that you the player probably are with all your magic and weapons, would you want to make somebody like that mad just by saying the wrong thing to him/her.
@@nooternootey9666 in my playthrough I only killed the Emperor on the boat.
To be fair, the Emperor's Robes share the exact same model as some other clothes in the game. I was checking out some of the clothes recently in Anniversary Edition while considering giving some extremely rare/unique clothes to my character who is crown princess of Wayrest, and IIRC the model used for Emperor's Robes is just a palette swap of the clothes Jarl Elisif the Fair and the ghost of High King Torygg wear. You would certainly stand out as a noble, but not necessarily as specifically the Emperor. Well, at least as long as nobody with some meta ability to read item names and a certain Pickpocket perk were to examine your inventory...
My theory for Amaund Motierre's change in appearance is, he visited the Face Sculptor due to a bounty being placed on his head. therefore he's been on the run and needed to hide from the empire.
That's what I thought too.
That explains the missing bodyguard.
If I remember right it’s just his nose maybe he got in a fight and it got broken
My theory as well
And that's how you are able to track him, the face sculptor is part of the Thieves Guild and they are known to work with the Dark Brotherhood as well
The reason why Astrid knows you looked at the note is because it was a sealed note and if you opened it you would have to break the seal
noooooo- I didn't read it... the wax must have gotten warm in my pocket and melted a little.
After a few skooma's I break the seal...
"Bark bark bark!"
Watch out ya fool! You nearly broke the Seal!
You can reseal notes like that, you just need the same seal, which has already been imprinted on the note itself. You can use that seal to create a mold which can be used to create a proper wax seal and metal one dipped into wax.
I hate you
If Bethesda doesn't add an npc called "Nate" that tells you a bunch of random facts OR have mai'qq mention some guy named Nate that knows as much as him
Nazeem: Have you tried cloud district ?
Skald Nate the Epic.... has a nice ring to it. =)
Somebody with modding skills should create this.
Loverslab would have a field day with that NPC.
Luzur you are why this world burns.
18:21
*has a civil conversation with the emperor,*
Me “I bet he’ll end him quickly since he’s cool”
Dragonborn *pulls out fire spells*
Me “JESUS!!”
I love how in that clip it cuts to him dead, body smoking on the floor, lmao
Let's pull out telekinesis and off the emperor by throwing random plunder around.
Could it be possible that Rune, the Imperial who is a member of the Thieves Guild, and wears a strange amulet that has a language nobody can read be a Septum who attempted to return, but doesn't remember due to the ship wreck?
Thats a good theory. I have never done the Theives Guild till recently and was wondering about that guy. Nobody knows what the rune means, not even the mages guild. It could be because the rune is in the Akaviri language. Good eye.
@@brosephbroman7564 cornpop was a bad dude
@@-lnsertNameHere- And he ran a bunch of bad boys.
@@brosephbroman7564 😂 he sure did
I don't think so, seeing as he took the stone to the college of winterhold and they couldn't translate it, and yes we know they likely knew some akavir, the reason is at one point the akavir invaded northern skyrim, and some stayed and founded the blades so yeah, also there were some survivors of the akavir campaign, it might seem like a stretch but consider that we can translate dwemer texts despite them being gone for thousands of years, or as a real world example we can translate even tablets from the summerians that are so old there were still living mammoths when they were written... or carved i dont know the correct term, they were made from pressing a reed into a clay tablet.
What is it with Emperors in Tamriel. Uriel VII was at peace with his imminent death in oblivion and in Skyrim Titus Mede II is too. How depressed are the Emperors ffs.
Likely about as depressed as the old man in the pit from Waterworld.
Synth Wendigo water world?
Justin Chipman.k it’s a movie
When they hear that someone wamts to kill them they say: "My time has come" Like Master Oogway
Probably because they both knew their deaths were coming. Uriel VII saw his death in a vision decades before and probably got done angsting about it. Titus 2's chillness is a bit more notable, though.
The way the emperor behaved when you’re assassinating him definitely made me think this will somehow play a role in the story of the next elder scrolls game.
You heard it here first I’m calling that the next game will be about the war between the empire and the dominion because the replacement emperor will break the white gold concordant and then when the game is set in an aldmeri setting-I’m leaning valenwood- it will make more sense
dalton quilty bruh, it’s been all but confirmed that ES6 will be in either High Rock, or Hammerfell.
@@hypeninja4786 they already have elder scrolls redguard so either high rock or valenwood
I think (since we had relative big time jumps between each game) it would at least be referrenced in some form in a future Game
I think he was using the Voice of the Emperor racial ability on you to get revenge on the one who called his hit.
I think the idea of him calling the hit on himself makes perfect sense, as it doesn't just crate a national panic (having the Emperor assassinated while there is a civil war going on) but also because it would be like a wakeup call. All the people who hated Titus would suddenly see what happens when their thinking/wishing comes true, how it throws everything into chaos and just makes things even worse. The majority of people don't think logically or sensibly, but with their emotions, and want nothing more than to have a calm peaceful life. They grumble when things are not the way the want, but when faced with an even worse prospect...well, their opinions change.
Yeah I think so too it's not just an unpopular emperor who gets killed often time it's the whole family if he planed it to look like the thalmor were in league with the dark brotherhood that may create a wave of national sentiment around Titus's heir.
Except it would, as you said, create fucking national panic and chaos.
The emperor gets assasinated by someone who is literally blessed by Akatosh.
The last big emperor assasination was on an emperor who was also blessed by Akatosh.
Almost as if the Mede dynasty kept the throne warm until someone with Talos' might can return to it.
I like the line about assassins and emperors. It is definitely a reference to the beginning of oblivion and seems to suggest his death would bring about some positive change. It would be interesting to think that this event could usher in some sort of plan to save the kingdom. Loved the video
Fun fact, in oblivion you get to lead 2 emperors to their death. Uriel and Martin both die because you led them somewhere whether its the end of the tunnel or to light the dragonfires.
I dare say the death of Uriel Septim VII didn't bring about any positive changes.
@@flamethagod1220 Uriel was going to die anyway (the opening narration makes it clear he knows that); Martin's death was an act of self-sacrifice. Either way, the player didn't lead them to it.
Guess what, In Oblivion we see the 2nd to last Septim emperor be assassinated and the last Septim emperor sacrificing himself.
And in Skyrim we see the last Meme emperor sacrifice himself to an assasin. Who happens to be dragonborn. Like the Septim dynasty.
It went full circle and we'll see the dragonborn take the throne.
Something to keep in mind is that the game files list Amaund as “Chancellor.” That amulet might have been his own.
I mean, I always assumed it was.
I always thought he was a member of the council himself
@@trissfaris5717 same
.
he IS the senate.
Just a reminder, Astrid didn't just ask you to finish killing the Emperor, she turned herself into a makeshift Black Sacrament, which basically binds you to carrying out the assassination by order of the Night Mother.
I just realized this. Bruh
11:08 Delvin: "This is an amulet of the Emperor's Elder Council!"
Sapphire: looks surprised, listens to Delvin's explanation on how difficult it is to even lay your hands on the amulet. She stands up to leave because she couldn't get it for herself anyway.
Delvin: "Look, it ain't my business to tell the DARK BROTHERHOOD its business..."
Sapphire to herself: "wait, THE Dark Brotherhood? The Dark Brotherhood is involved in this? Our leader KILLED a member of an Elder Council? I gottta hear this tea."
Delvin: "BUY? THIS? AN ELDER COUNCIL AMULET??
Sapphire and Vekel: *surprised pikachu face*
The Septim in Akavir is a good theory. Because also, the Nerevar went to Akavir as well and never came back. There's something going on there that we aren't being told. And I highly doubt they killed the Nerevar over there. And considering how old Divayth Fyr and other mages have lived, it's plausible the Nerevar is still alive. Hopefully we'll find out when ES:6 comes out.
Nerevar + Septim collab? 😳 Imagine them returning to Skyrim riding dragons
@@robertgray1791 That would be sick. But them coming back together in general would be badass. The Thalmor would be caught with their pants down and mouth open.
Likely the Nerevar taught the Tiger King how to turn into dragons and unified the tiger and monkey people against the snake Taiscii Empire. Tosh Raka is likely his protege and he likely ascended to godhood in whatever religion rules over akavir
@@Ogoseaux >implying Nerevar didn't become Tosh Raka himself
Report: Disaster at Ionith makes it pretty clear just how badly the Empire got bodied at Akavir. I doubt there could be anyone carrying the Septim line alive on that continent. And I always was skeptical of the Nerevarine in Akavir thing, I do not believe that is based on anything deeper than overheard gossip in Oblivion(?)...
there is a third option for the face change: mautierre went to the face sculptor because he plans to stay hidden for some reason
That's what I thought. :)
Maybe mautierre was a member of the emperor’s council (it was his amulet) then he staged his death and went to the sculptor to change his entire identity.
I mean if his assassination failed he could've been found out and subsequently executed, so he might've wanted to go to the face sculptor to enter into hiding for his own safety and what better way than to change your face?
That's if the sculptor can even do NPCs. If he's just player convenient or actually in the world. I personally don't think it was an oversight so either fake person or yeah face sculptor
I was thinking the same thing but he did it to not get caught, maybe guilt led him to it is what I was thinking
I always felt bad about killing Titus...he seemed like a good guy, especially for an emperor of such a world.
Same
You know the feeling you get, like...you heart gets heavier when he just accept the destiny and say he wont fight you
He and his family had no right to rule anyway. Going by the lore, it'd be more accurate to say he is committing assisted suicide out of fear of what awaits him at home. Worse, regardless if he hired the hit himself or not he simply surrendered to death, itself a behavior unbecoming of any Emperor, especially one who's lineage came to rule through force.
@@mattmark94 Huzzah! A man of quality!
@@mattmark94 same. I also use a mod that allows me to destroy the thieves guild, so my character is a good person with amazing morals. Except with nazeem.
"Believe it or not, Astrid will know if we read it before hand"
Not that hard to believe since the letter was sealed and you had to break the seal to read it...
18:25 the comedic timing on this cut was legendary
Nate : "Stress isn't going to give you a new pair of ears."
Van Gogh : ...
Technically it wasn't a pair
Underrated
-"What the heck happened to your ears?!"
-"I've been under a lot of stress."
Well, I hear there is this guy in Riften who can change your face.
Didn't Little Red Riding Hood also notice the change to ears, nose, and hair? Is Motierre her grandmother?
I love the conversation we have have with Delvin in this quest. He is such an interesting character and one of the few times we see guilds cross over in Skyrim. It makes since that they would all interact, the Companions, College, Thevies Guild, even the Bards College! All of em..
And considering that the Dragonborn can become the leader (or at least a leading member) of all of them at the same time, I bet there is room for some more overlap after the story concludes.
I thought the same about the factions in Fallout 4, we either become leader or a high member in them, at a point where all of them still exist. So it shouldn't be impossible to get them to talk, just like the big round table in Skyrim, where we negotiate a deal to suspend the civil war for a bit and focus on the dragons first.
Just found this page today. Yes, I'm a grown man, but I love Skyrim lore. I listen to it in my car while driving or even at home whole working out. You Sir, have gained a new subscriber.
You miss out on a lot if you don't see the visuals during these videos, and I definitely don't recommend watching the screen while driving. 💀
@@LibraritheWizardOfficial I do.
I actually think the Emperor is one of the best written characters in the entire game. He’s far more memorable than almost any follower and genuinely interesting to talk to. I skip through a lot of dialogue but i never skip his. I usually avoid joining the brotherhood specifically because i don’t want to kill him.
The encounter with the Emperor was one of my favourite moments in Skyrim. There's something so poetic about a man coming to terms with death and having a friendly chat with his assassin.
Loved the voice actor they got to read for him, too. Same guy did Lucien Lachance and Gray Fox in "Oblivion" and Fawkes in "Fallout 3"
@@EarlyOwOwl I've never skipped his chats and always felt kind of bad about offing him and looting the place afterwards. =(
I hear ya! I like him. And I don't like anyone in the Dark Companions OR the Thieves' Guild.
now if you have inigo then what you said about memorable and followers would be wrong hopefully in the next elder scrolls inigo or his descendants will be cannon
Imagine going to a well populated city to mourn a person that you probably had no relationship too just to die to a professional assassin posing as a chef that poisoned your food just to realize that he wanted to kill someone else.
Redacted so it is with emperors and assassins
Not to mention they knew the whole time and just let him die
If they're smart, the guy was simply a convict condemned to death either way, who they offered something - possibly a reduced sentence - in return for acting like the decoy. If he is indeed killed, he was supposed to die anyway. If he survives, no harm no foul.
She was his cousin.
@@BlackLiger788 That was a body double, used to setup the Dragonborn, by Astrid. So no, it wasn't the body double's cousin.
I think the reason why Amaud Motierre looks different the second go-round is that he visited the Face Sculptor in Riften. After the plot to kill the Emperor was revealed, Motierre was probably planning to go on the run.
I'm late to the party on this one, but since I had recently been looking up info on the line of succession for the Third Empire for other reasons I did notice something.
Motierre draws parallels to the assassination of Pelagius I. This assassination is actually ended the founding dynasty of the Septim Empire. Pelagius I had no heirs so Tiber Septim's direct line of descent ended with him. After Pelagius I, the throne passed to Tiber Septim's niece Kintyra, and it's from her that most of the Septim descended (ignoring a Dark Elf dynasty that ruled the Septim empire between 3E 153 - 246.) I tried to find out if there were any notable political shifts between the reign of Pelagius I and Kintyra I, but both are described as having prosperous reigns (albeit a brief one in the case of Pelagius). One thing of note is that Pelagius I is explicitly described as have employed the Underking as an advisor, while Kintyra I has no known connection to the Underking. So maybe the assassination of Titus Mede II isn't so much about getting rid of the person on the throne, but the person behind the throne.
Also, complete side note, I find it really interesting that there were Dark Elves on the Imperial Throne before there was an Imperial on the throne. Before the Dark Elf reign, it's all Breton emperors. After it's a mix of Nords and Bretons. Uriel Septim VII is the first explicitly Imperial person to be Emperor, though some of his immediate predecessors may have been as well.
Interestingly Cephorus Septim II, the father of Uriel Septin V was considered Nord, while Uriel was Imperial.
If we go by what UESP claims, we have Tiber (Man), Pelagius (unknown), Kintyra I (unknown), Uriel I (Imperial), Uriel II (Imperial), Pelagius II (Imperial), Antiochus (Imperial), Kintyra II (Imperial), Uriel III (unknown), Cephorus I (unknown), Magnus (Man), Pelagius III (Breton), Katariah (Dunmer), Cassynder (Dunmer/Breton mix), Uriel IV (Dunmer), Cephorus II (Nord), Uriel V (Imperial), Uriel VI (unknown), Morihatha (unknown), Pelagius IV (unknown), Uriel VII (Imperial), and Martin (Imperial)
So quite a few that married into the dynasty and got the throne themselves after their spouse died.
To note is that while Uriel I is listed as imperial, his predecessors aren't exactly specified (perhaps because there wasn't much of a distinction at the time)
Also interesting is that while Kintyra II was imperial, her cousin Uriel III who deposed her, was of unknown race.
Cephorus II was voted in place of Andorak Septim, who was the son of Uriel IV
Uriel VII had another illegitimate son besides Martin, who he acknowledged and who served as archbishop and disappeard, but who's body was never identified, leaving the option that the dynasty lives on through that line.
Whoever Amaund Motierre was, he certainly was a very skilled ventriloquist in his dying breath because despite being decapitated he uttered his final words "but we had a deal..."
maybe HE was a decoy!
Funny af lol
People have been known to be able to talk after decapitation for a few moments. Depends on where on the neck the decapitation happens.
@@zeropolicy7456 I've heard of the eyes still bein open and looking around after decapitation, but never heard of actual talking after the blade comes down tho, that's pretty damn wicked
@@zeropolicy7456 It takes air. Air is in the lungs. Not the neck. But I suppose their vocal cords, if not severed, could weep during rigor mortis.
A detail that I noticed when you give Motierre's letter to Astrid: She says something to the effect of "Oh Motierre you naughty naughty boy! Using the Dark Brotherhood to rise above your station."
So maybe he killed a council member, stole his amulet, and arranged the death of current emperor. He wanted to fill the empty seat in the council when the new emperor was elected.
@@ktbrunner1862 That's assuming he's not a council member himself. After the Oblivion crisis the council briefly took control of the Empire, so that would make any council members the powerfullest people in tamriel if Mede had no children (or if his children were too young to rule)
Astrid doesn't know for sure, she is just guessing at the reason he is using the brotherhood
The night mother is the one who gives us his name. All hail the glory of sithis
2021 and losing the capacity to fund PC gaming watching these clips brings back memories. Despite the chaos inside the province if skyrim I still find it far more peaceful than being in the real world.
Time to play Skyrim again :D 2021 means 10 years since release.
Few things to keep in mind.
It is said the item given to you by montier is hand crafted for each member. It is not the same for each member making it even more impossible to replicate or find it unless you killed the person or it was given to you.
I also somewhat remember hearing specifically that in ESOs brotherhood they keep the montier girl because her family is so powerful and that her family knows what she joined/ has a little bit of pull with the brotherhood. You can find poems and letters directed to her family.
Well Mehrune's plane is fire and ashland so we can say "Everything was fine in the Empire till the fire nation attacked."
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No one ever expects the Spanish Inq.... Ehm Ehm I mean the Fire nation
@@npdeathknight "We are Dagon's finest inq- Erm I mean DREMORA"
Fire Dimension*
And when they needed him most, Talos dissapeared.
The thing that immediately tipped me off that there was something especially weird about this was Mede's specific wording:
"Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the killing blow. It is simply the way it is."
He didn't say 'I will die', he said 'I ^must^ die.' At that point, I went back over *everything* I'd learned, heard and done over the course of the questline, applied some logic from what I knew of recent Tamrielic history, and came to the conclusion that this sneaky bastard ordered his own assassination in order to put a new emperor on the throne and rally the Empire for the inevitable second war with the Thalmor.
Of course, it wasn't until Camelworks' video came out in 2018 that I realized that we might have actually met Mede's successor ourselves...I mean, It ^was^ kind of conspicuous that Amound's 'bodyguard' didn't lift a finger to help him when we stuck an arrow in his gob. 'Rexus', in Latin, translates to 'New King'. Then there's Amound's proclamation of 'We had a deal..!' when you kill him. Who says he's speaking to ^us^?
What I now personally believe is that 'Amound Motierre' is, in fact, not a member of the Elder Council at all, but is in fact a body double himself, presumably a criminal or more specifically a conman promised a pardon to either portray himself as the real Motierre, or is simply playing a character that does not actually exist with the name 'Motierre' picked for him because of the name's history with the Dark Brotherhood and plots and controversy within Cyrodiil. The Amulet you receive is either one crafted for this specific mission by order of the Emperor to give him legitimacy, or it belongs to 'Rexus', the REAL councilmember, possibly even the real Amound Motierre himself, and/or Mede's chosen heir to the throne, who came to Skyrim disguised as 'Motierre's bodyguard in order to make sure he keeps up his end of their 'deal'.
It certainly adds another layer of intrigue when you think about it, no?
I find this hard to believe considering i killed rexus after i killed amaund. Like if it wasnt supposed to be done make him essential
woah
The Fish In My Sea true, Bethesda should’ve really thought this through and In the re release make him essential if this is true
Drink for the dirty! Food for the Monkey! Skooma for the junkie!
"New King" in Latin is _Rex Novus,_ genitive _Regis novi._ "Rexus" is a name which superficially resembles _rex_ but is not meaningful: it's like a character who is named "Kung" and asserting his name is clearly related to "king."
That being said, the second Motierre does look like a patsy when you correctly point out that his own bodyguard does not guard his body...
18:20 the cut from Titus saying “now onto the business at hand” and the magic coming up to a smoldering corpse on the ground makes it more brutal
I had talked about the two Monties with a friend and we’d come to the conclusion that during development, it would have just been easier to make a second one than reuse the first one we meet, with the in universe explanation being that he got the fantasy equivalent to a facelift in order to throw assassins off his trail.
He just went to the face sculptor in Riften.
I never noticed that amaund's appearance changed after you killed the emperor. The more you know 😉
I never noticed, either
@Crow Yeah I'm actually wondering if both of them were stand-ins. If the real Motierre is as rich as we think and from the distant land of Cyrodil, then maybe both NPCs are just messengers.
@@marhawkman303 or he just went to the Flagan and got his facial reconstruction surgery. 😂
Honestly always killed him just after quest updates, so i never knew this
@@hopegaming867 TBF most guards state that she is bad at her job because she apparently butchered their faces, but maybe they didn't pay too much.
For someone who went into the Ragged Flagon, I'm amazed you didn't mention the Face Sculptor. Changing someone's appearance is her entire career.
I know this is an old comment but watching this I was astounded at the oversight of this key detail
I doubt the face changer will be considered cannon or lore friendly in future elder scrolls even if the feature Is in future games
Ooh true 🤔
It makes no sense still. If he's changing his identity its so he can hide how would a different face help him in the Empire
makes me wonder if the Ragged looking Amon is his true face then? and the first meetings face a disguise to throw off anyone who might've witnessed him entering the crypt? though that's assuming the Face sculptor is considered canon.
I'd propose the possibility that the emperor called the hit on himself, but only to fake his own death without even the dark brotherhood knowing so he could step down as emperor and live out his life in peace (how he manages to survive the hit, I don't know). This would explain why he requests you kill motierre, as it would satisfy sithis and the night mother's policy of dealing in blood; in oblivion, motierre gives his own mother's life for the same reason, only in this case he wouldn't mind the dark brotherhood knowing he's still alive since it's a rather localized issue.
My guess would be that the Motierre family at some point had an illegitimate child of a Septim emperor- making them potential candidates for the throne if they can prove it. Given how different Motierre seemed in the final scene... who's to say that he didn't pull the same trick as the emperor and send a body-double, allowing him to eventually ascend to the throne?
What if Amaund Motierre's facial changes are the result of a fading transformation spell and that he's really a Thalmor deep cover infiltrator sent to destroy the Empire from within?
What about that face changing person in Riften? Hes changed his facial structure and her presence is pretty well known.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 That's what I think. It'd be easily accessible to someone like him and he does seem to still have the same voice. It would also explain why he'd so easily part with the Elder Council Amulet (assuming its his) - he never intended to go back to his old life.
Ghutts McKenzie *She
@@thecatfather857 alright good job for that.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 That person is 100% part of the Dawnguard DLC, I personally wouldn't consider her presence canonical on base game content...
"How is Astrid doin' these days, eh? Tell her to stop by sometime. We can have a drink. Ketchup." 10:43
Imagine the players who don't use subtitles.
Delvon confirmed to be Ketchup from Animal Crossing
Delvin Mallory is sans confirmed! Add that to the spaghetti plate of speculations about who is sans!
@@NWolfsson it was already confirmed that Brynjolf was Sans and Mai'iq is Papyrus come on dude get with the times
@@SophieHesper Wait, so Delvon's going to be in the MK11 Kombat Pack 3?
Anybody else remember Francois Motierre in the oblivion dark brotherhood quest line? It seems that him using the dark brotherhood to fake his death ultimately led to quite a bit of success for him in Skyrim and now 200 years later his descendant is rich and is carrying on the use of the Dark Brotherhood.
well the woman from ESO was notably rich too so I don't think he was the reason the Motierres became rich, matter of fact I believe he was a huge failure in the family because he was broke and had to lend some money
I feel that if it is Mede II calling for his own assassination, it isn't just too make his successor look better-- perhaps he wanted to cause mild panic about who called for the assassination. Tying up loose ends by killing motierre like he asks you to do, ensures no one knows-- and since the Great War is still fresh in everyone's memories, perhaps fingers will be pointed at the Aldimari Dominion.
For me, the dude just waited to die in his boat for weeks after the first attempt. I went off to do other storylines and he just wanted to die still and waited
"the power of depression, baby! lol
I always take out Motierre for the Emperor. It is a condemned man’s final wish, he gave a convincing reason, and he asked really nicely.
I agree. It's the polite thing to do to fulfill the dying wish it a man doomed to die, especially when they're not fighting back and are asking politely
Facts i almost didnt kill him
"Upon my honor I do swear undying loyalty to the Emperor." I will always honor my Emperors commands.
"Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the blow." - Emperor Titus Mede II
@@angleofshadow9818 "Yeah, you were in hot water for a bit there but you got a point, I'll let you off the hook for now, Dragonborn. Now hurry up and get me that fort." - General Tullius
Same, the attitude of Motierre is what really sold his own fate tho tbh.
i watched this video a while back and now rewatching it explains so much more after ive played the questline
I never noticed before that the emperor asked you to kill the person who hired you for their "treachery"it's weird that he didn't assume that the altmari Dominion wasn't the one that ordered the assassination
It's a fair assumption, I don't think that the Dominion would even bother with the Brotherhood if they wished to slay the emperor, I'm sure they would send their own assassins to do the deed. But it is interesting to think that the emperor himself knew a lot about the plot against him.
"Everything changed..." my mind: when the fire nation attacked!
"When the fire nation attacked!....." my mind: A hundred years passed, and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang,....
@Tiber Septim shhhhhhhhhhj
By Talos my autism just peaked when I read this lol
Funny Story:
When I first played Skyrim and did the dark Brotherhood Questline seeing the emperor sitting in his desk actual startled me causing me to Kill him with a firebolt before he could talk and request his favour
so I didn't know you could talk to him until my 2nd playthrough
Oh same, I thought he would alert the guards if he saw me and i had a really high sneak score, so I just sort of sniped him as soon as I entered the room before he could talk, lol.
this so funny, litterally lol'd. thank you
you saw a door named emperors room and got startled when the emperor was in it
The whole quest was about killing the fucking emperor lmao how could you be startled? That's like saying you stabbed yourself and was surprised when it made an ouch
in my defence i was like 14 and I was expecting him to be in his bedroom or something so when I saw him sitting there my brain went into instinct mode and I threw a firebolt at him
With the Septim bloodline being dragonborn, and the player's character being dragonborn, along with the fact that you never find out where you come from, the akavair theory is entirely possible which would also explain the fact that the dragonborn themselves is of the septim bloodline and you came back from where your predecessor went. So in turn you are aware of the plot on Titus mede II and are there to carry it out on him to claim the throne for the Septim's again?
Even if the dragonborn is not of the Septim bloodline, they would be the closest to a powerful ruler, blessed by Akatosh, who can bring the empire back to form.
I personally think that one of Emperor Uriel Septim’s sons at least had 1 or more children and survived either being murdered by the Mythic Dawn or leaving their father Martin from Kvatch and living in Skyrim under a different name as Martin never knew that his father was the Emperor. I think it is possible that one of Uriel’s sons had a child and immigrated to Skyrim where 200 years later, we end up playing as a Dragonborn in which the last one was alive 200 years ago. I don’t know if this was Bethesda’s plan for Oblivion and Skyrim but anything is possible.
Me, walks into Solitude wearing emperor's robes: "..."
Guard: "He killed the emperor!"
Me, an Imperial Dragonborn: "I am the emperor."
And so the Dragonborn was executed on orders of the High Chancellor for assassinating the Emperor and trying to usurp the Empire.
Ulfric reading the newspaper: Ha! Pathetic! I could do it and I'm not even Dragonborn!
Would have been so great if they made a dlc where you as Dragonborn ride down to the Imperial City on a dragon being followed by the faction you supported in the Civil War and take out Thalmor that are against your rise to the throne.
Further lets remember that even if the Dragonborn destroys the Dark Brotherhood (most likely scenario) the remaining members may have still found a way to take out Mede II.
This gives me “I am the senate” vibes.
@@metetural9140 proof that being dragonborn aint jack, its all about tonal manipulation
@@salamilid7615 I thought it more that "The Dragonborn has no claims to become Emperor, stop circle jerking yourselves."
Kill member of the elder council: nono
Kill emperor: yesyes
Don't waste time on the _little_ fish =)
JoJo meme
What do you think Delvin thought when he found out the emperor had been assassinated after he gave you credit for that amulet?
@@joelpierce1453 .oO(Better 'im than me, I say.)
@@joelpierce1453 "Wait, those guys KILL people?!"
Oh Delvin, you adorably dense guy.
Good job on your 800k subs bro I'm so proud.
The whole emperor quest line is one of my favorites and I hope in the 6th installment they continue and maybe conclude the overarching storyline. I hope they don't but there's plenty of space for both expansion and conclusion.
The emperor is such a badass tbh he was one of my favorite NPCs and I did his dying wish just due to how cool and calm he is. He is one of the only NPCs in Skyrim I’ve felt bad about killing and he only shows up once
I felt the same. It's why I obliged his last request.
I almost want to just leave and let him live... Almost
I punched him to death and then his corpse for a while... The boxing gloves are op.... I need therapy....
@@_d-- Well I was about to say to anyone feeling bad about killing the emperor that german supplexing his head through the wood of his chamber take off the weight a little bit.
A man with the courage to face his death should have his last request honoured.
10:47
"we can 'ave a drink. Ketchup."
wow really classy there Delvin.
TheEpicNate315 i watch your videos everyday man. Your amazing and im very greatfull you take time to do your research and details and all you do! Keep killing it nate!
Epic Nate content will always keep me coming back even if absent for a spell! One of the best!
Thanks Nate!
I always assumed Motierre was a member of the Elder Council and he was giving you his amulet.
on my deathbed 40 years from now
Nate: The Skyrim Secret Bethesda's Still Hiding
60 years* :) ❤
@@kingofnorthumbria 4 years for me i hope
Never stop these cool investigations. You make my daily drive worth it
I always thought amon probably went to the ragged flagon and got his face changed by the face sculptor after his contract for the emperor was put into motion because I mean if amon is as rich as the game claims as well as his family having connections to the brotherhood for literally hundreds of years in my head cannon he should know about the face sculptor in the thieve guild as well
Was my thought while watching the video. Especially if he really was on the Elder council. As brought up in the video, it wouldn't be the first person in his family to fake his death. Getting your face changed after would only make sense.
Maybe the "real" emperor you kill at the end was another decoy, and his last request was a part of a plan to take out his hidden enemy who set the plot in motion.
Ohh. I like this.
Good theory but I'm pretty sure citizens and guards around Skyrim will mention that he's dead
maybe the real emperor are the friends we made along the way ; )
Maybe, but it doesn't exactly fit in with the Oath to join the Imperial Legion. He sounded defeated, unmotivated, like a general that lost his fire when telling you the Oath and doesn't mention Titus Mede II in the Oath, instead referring to just "The Emperor". You would think one of the Imperial Legion's highest officers would know if it was just a decoy or not. It's also interesting that the Titus Mede II on the ship had a totally different voice actor and different dialect than the decoy, one that sounds like nobility instead of a snobby aristocrat. Further, Motierre mentions that the news of the death exploded all over the Empire. The death of an emperor already puts the morale and civil peace at jeopardy, especially considering the Elves almost destroyed the Empire to begin with. Faking the death of a figure that big would cause more problems than it would solve.
Maybe, but that doesn't explain the fact that all the Imperial and Stormcloak guards and stuff mention the Emperor's death. Plus, if talking to a guard wearing Penitus Occulatus armor, the guards will mention that 'you're not very good at your job are you?', thus indicating that the Emperor *did* actually die.
12:05 what I'm really wondering is how can Delvin live in a bar and still be so god damn thirsty.
Most underrated joke in this comment section
Alcahol makes you more thirsty and dehydrated
Me ha encantado el video, estoy aprendiendo lore con tus vídeos, gracias por devolverme las ganas de jugar skyrim
i love these longer vids btw jus so you know buddy gud work keep the lore cannon firing buddy :D
Me: Saving an old man with some guards when I'm doing a side quest to fetch item.
Emperor: Now take my armor and go conquer a city for me!
Me: ???!
Me: Alright what awesome loot do I get for this!
Emperor: You have done me a great service, here is your reward.
Me: .....
to have played the story of Elder Scroll Legend..the player is a former Blade..so...
I called Astrid "Mom" during the Dark Brotherhood questline because of how much she scolded me.
Well she IS the Matron of a Sanctuary
This reminds me of Archer
Don’t think that’s a good thing but ok
With the right mods she might not become your mom but she can definitely become your mommy if you catch my drift
Mike alpha what mod I want to download it right now for comedy
eventhough I already know mostly have my own theories, observations, and opinions. i like your refreasher periods.
Fascinating insight, Interesting how much interest there still is in TES makes me want to read the book's in time before TES 6 is released.
Plot Twist: The main protagonist is so drunk on Skooma , he thinks he is a dragonborn
His god-like burps send people reeling across the room
Stop watching my game play. (Sips skooma)
When he thinks he's using dragon shouts, he's really just throwing up on people.
😄😅😂😁 I can't stop laughing lol
Khajiit is offended. (Eats 10 bowls of freshly made elsywer fondue and 50 bowls of moon sugar) I demand an apology. Me and my indigo colored friend.... (drinks sleeping tree sap) what?!
It's pretty obvious: Motierre is donning a "Mission: Impossible"-style mask in the post-assassination meeting. As the engineer of the assassination of the Emperor, a significant portion of the Empire's law enforcement/military will be searching for him. If Motierre wishes to remain in Tamriel, he MUST don a new identity.
You jest, but the Face Sculptor is a canon character.
... why? No one knows he did it other than the dark brotherhood and his "associates" theres no way people could find out about it
@@nataliealphonse4634 besides the custom crafted Elder Council amulet suddenly up for sale on the black market?
and even without that a missing Elder/Elder missing his Elder Amulet showing up right after an assassination that would've cost a small fortune to enact is pretty damn suspicious.
@@essexclass8168 He could always claim a thief stole it, and likely just get another one made, and probably some added security to his place of residence. There's nothing to support that, other then that's what I would do. Still, there's the problem of Motierre disappearing from Cyrodil for a couple days.
2 years ago my man saying it would be nice to hit 100k subs, now he's over 1mil. Nicely done!
I know I'm like two years late to this video, but... I thought I'd leave a constructive comment in case you still read them. I LOVE that you also take Elder Scrolls Online into account for your theories - it seems so difficult to find ES CZcamsrs who acknowledges the lore ESO has added. Thank you for creating such cool videos! Hope you're having a good day:)
Me: Uriel was in Akavir and there's an extremely high chance one of his descendants may be alive you say???
Rogvir: You were caught trying to cross the border.
Oof
BROOOOO THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE DRAGON BLOOD!!! Okay I stan this theory
I don't think Uriel V survives in Akavir, i think he just gonna get eaten by the tsaeci since he invaded their homeland
maybe the player has the bloodline of septim
Huh... Never thought of it that way. And the reason why you can be any race is because you take that from your mother. This way your father could be a Septim descendant and your mother could be of any playable race.
35:43 all I can see is that dammed windmill chopping hell out of that nice thatched roof...
My pretty simple really-just-played-Skyrim-and-nothing-else mind screaming at me since the amulet was mentioned that he might be simple and plainly member of the council because that seems far easier then assuming he somehow intermingled with them, was given one of their amulets or paid of by the emperor with one of those very specific, easy to trace pieces of jewelry - unless he really just had it and confident enough we'd be in on his plan. The possibility was brought up 43:00, leaving me listening very closely up to this point. Well played, well played
I don't think I could get to sleep without Nate's longform investigation videos...
One every night. Sorted.
Hey Nate! Astrid knows you read the letter because it's initially sealed, and opening it breaks the seal. The image of the item changes in your inventory as well if/when you break it.
Edit: pretty sure the name changes too
Jokes on her I read it and then immediately reloaded.
@@zacharyhawley1693 calm down, Satan
Medellinin lol
I just blamed it on Cicero.
I think two things. Firstly, I think the Elder Council has decided that having a bad emperor is worse than having no emperor at all, and that the Empire would be better off with a steward than with a Meade on the throne. After all, Councillor Ocato was probably the best ruler the Empire has had since the loss of the Septims; it's plausible that the Empire would do better by following the Gondor method.
Secondly, why did he so calmly accept his death at the hands of the Dark Brotherhood? Simple. I think there was a prophecy. Presumably from an Elder Scroll. Just like Uriel Septim VII at the beginning of Oblivion, who knew his death was coming from the moment he saw the player, I think Titus II had a prophecy that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood. This is probably why he cancelled his earlier trip to Skyrim in the first place. I think the prophecy stated that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood, and that if he tried to avoid it others would die. At first he didn't take it that seriously, so he just cancelled his trip and thought no more of it, but then people started dying. First his cousin, then the Gourmet, then his body double. He decided that he wouldn't let others keep dying in his place, and just came to Solitude to put an end to it.
TheEpicNate315 you are the reason I decided to give Skyrim and Fallout 4 another chance after becoming a more competent gamer. Got my butt kicked when I was younger and thought it just wasn’t for me. But the stories are so good and I never would have known without you.
I always come back to these videos because I love them and I’m sure a lot of people do too. I’m not sure if it was ever talked about again but what if Amon went to the face sculptor in Riften. Just a thought
When you discuss the reasons for face changes with Amaund Motierre, maybe its a possibility he went to the face sculptor in case the dragon born snitched to the empire? To try and change his face to go into hiding better?
I know I’m replying to this a year late, but I believe the face sculptor was added in the dawn guard dlc so it’s in a weird space between canon because mechanically, players wanted to change their face of their long time characters and dawn guard was the first dlc, but dawn guard is also canon so… it’s weird to consider the face sculptor
@@noahclayman6943 That’s true, imo though with a family as rich as the Motierre’s he probably definitely had access to face sculptors outside of skyrim, since we know that they exist in tamriel. Interesting theory though and more interesting than just saying it was developer over sight
I thought this too. Came here to see if anyone else did. Especially since the Face sculptor in Riften says she worked for high ranking Imperials in the city, if i remember right.
I think it was just a fuck up by Bethesda and doesn’t mean anything
Its a brown face bug from his texture mods. Happens a lot when a facegen file is missing.
I am a firm believer in the "he placed a hit on himself" theory and I think something that is never mentioned but actually MAKES sense.
He asks you to kill the person who put the hit on him, but if he had requested Amaund Motierre to make the offering, and knew to get the payment started he would have to give up such a unique artifact as an elder council amulet
Then he knows that Amaund would have to die as to explain how the amulet vanished or wound up being traded around on the black market likely to make its way into the hands of a collector somewhere.
Yep, and the "But we had a deal..." that Amaund gasps out with his last dying breath seems to match up pretty well with the idea that the Emperor specifically requested him to conduct this whole affair.
Also in real world history monarch have basically nullified treaties written after death of previous rulers. They reason that the treaty was signed by certain ruler and now that it him/her is gone treaty is no longer valid. Mede ll gets killed by unknown entity and killing the only person who knows (motierre) would be great premise for his successor to nullifie Medes treaty with the thalmor on basis that it was thalmor who orchestrated his assasination, bringing back worship of Talos, uniting Skyrim and empire against thalmor.
I mean, if he put the hit on himself, than killing him is killing the person who put the hit on him. That makes zero sense. He also said it in a way that makes it clear he doesn't know who that is. He never mentions him by name or acts like he knows who it is. I also doubt he'd bother with a decoy if he wants to die anyway, nor would he want you to murder his cousin or quite a few other innocent people you have to kill to get to him. Sorry, not buying it.
@@troodon1096 Maybe he doesn't mention them by name because, if someone was listening in they would know who it was and he wanted this person killed so that it wouldn't get out that the emperor put out a hit on himself.
Cutting off some lose ends. Motiere was practically the only one who actually knew the fine details.
And the Emperor axing off his cousin and the decoy might be sort of a test to see of the brotherhood really has the guts and skills needed.
Besides that, getting rid of Vittoria Vici might ensure she and her husband (or their kids) wouldn't take the throne in a coup. Besides that, it might also be useful to put the blame for the assassination on the Stormcloaks (who her husbands family supports) or the Thalmor (that are pretty much universally hated).
This man has the best lore content of any game. Good made, nice to listen to. Tooop
About the raggedy version of the npc.. maybe it was the face sculptor? That was my first guess. We don’t know what his situation was and maybe that was a necessary decision for him.
I was always under the impression mede called the assassin on himself but that’s because i wasn’t told any other contexts. It seemed likely at the time but now I think otherwise. I do agree that the assassination would rally up troops for the next emperor, but I think it was someone else.
3:42 "I'd like to hit 800K sometime soon".
Not even 10 Hours later: 800K! Congrats Dude, you really deserve it!
When I first played Skyrim, I just assumed that Amound Mottiere was on the Elder Council and gave you his own amulet, and he wanted the Emperor dead so he could make himself the new Emperor.
I'm not so sure about the making himself emperor part, but it is an interesting speculation and I always believed Amound was a member of the council too.
I thought that too, especially since Astrid assumes he's ordering the hit to help himself move up in rank.
Just posted a comment similar to this, minus the Emperor thing, I don't think he wanted that.
I don't think it was his _own_ amulet. I always thought he nicked it from another's possessions so he wouldn't turn up at court without his.
A viable option. But i hope not. Way too generic
The thumbnail for this video is the best lol