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The RIGHT Way to Install a Window Screen (Wish I’d Known This)
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When we lived in Florida, I went through the same frustration you did. It was right after a hurricane came through and ripped all our screens. At the time, it was impossible to get screen guys out in a timely manner, as you can expect after a storm. After fighting with round spines, I stopped at a home that had a crew working on their screens and asked one of the guys working. He showed me the correct way and showed me which spline to buy. He also said the round spline was mainly for window screens and that they only used the flat style as it held the screen in better with the "c" style grooves. I will say this once you get the hang of it ....its actually easier than trying to cram a round spline into the groove. Excellent video! This is an example of real-world issues that we DIYers deal with. 😊
very nice. Guys...always ask for help when you failed the first and second time. LOL
This is the way how one can be an expert. Learn from mistakes but not get disappointed or give up.
Thanks for showing this. I've gained a lot of respect for you based on this video.
I appreciate that. Cheers Emily!
The fact that u made this video speaks volumes about ur character... much respect my friend
Cheers John!
I don't know ow why he just won't staple it up call it a damn day😂.
@@nana.dayton5290lol duct tape and send it. High wind applications use gorilla tape
Thanks for taking us along on that wild ride! You've got at least 450 people who now know how to install this stuff the right way.
Cheers to keeping it real!
This is why I respect you so much Jeff. I laugh when you say perfect every time because I know that normally ends up not being the case. Not in a bad way at all, making mistakes is how we learn and if we teach others then brilliant.
Cheers Amy. Hopefully I can save folks some grief!
Thank you so much for this video. Not only did I need to do this same project, but your approach to addressing failures as well as successes continues to show your incredible integrity and dedication to your following. Huge huge fan! Keep the content flowing my friend! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for showing this. I already respect your work ethic and knowledge but this video just raised that exponentially.
I appreciate that
This is the stuff nobody shows us on CZcams. You just helped alot of ppl and I applaud you for making the reality of the crap we run into when doing diy! You are top notch!!
Cheers Jeremy!
I can totally relate to your frustration! Thanks for sharing with us! It is kind of comforting to see even a seasoned pro get frustrated with a diy project!
Sometimes you just don't know what you don't know until you rind out you don't know what you are doing. I have screened windows many times before but this was really interesting.
This is a great video. You have discovered and exposed a well kept secret that few know. It is interesting how some people can just gloss over something that is so critical for the success of a project. Other than skill its the little things that really make the big differences between Pro vs DIY. Thank you.
Very true!
Whoo hoo! Good for you! Great for us. This is incredibly helpful information! Sorry to hear that nobody that was selling these products had a clue. Kudos to you for doing the research to save us your grief. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Happy to help.
You learn the most from failure. Thank you Jeff!!!
Always!
Hi Jeff, In Florida, we use flat spline for screen enclosures, use round spline for window screen. So many people including me learned the hard way at beginning, there are some CZcams video show you how to do it the correct way. Welcome to FL.
Love this. Makes me feel better about my screw ups
This shows the quality and integrity of you Jeff and your channel this is why the channel keeps growing and why often say to people you need an answer go to Jeff
I’m glad you got it sorted. And so thankful you showed us when things go wrong. We all get those moments but to see you openly acknowledge them was great. And couldn’t you just kick yourself when you find out how simple the solution. The joys of DIY
In my handyman biz I just had a bunch of calls to replace screen. It takes a bit to clear the confusion on the different screens and spline size. One tip is to use the “ Big Box” app on your phone (since nobody there knows what’s what). Product page in the app usually has the size of the spline on the product page.
Cheers for that. H.D. should just go 100% AI
I can't find the app called "big box" 😢
@@johnboon5330he’s referring to the big box stores specific app…
I built a 'Catio' last year, made the framework out of the same extrusion from Lowe's & HD, and used the Flat spline you finally found.
I learned the hard way (like you) that the round spline is only good for window screens, not patio screens.
Also, there are heavier weight screen cloths that are a tad darker, but have a thicker feel to them.
That works Great in your patio and gives more shade effect
One more thing.
Get a tool that has the plastic (Nylon) wheels instead of the metal one.
I was cutting too much screen with the metal one.
You can pull the screen cloth very taught when installing it with the flat spline. Almost drum tight actually.
Love working with that stuff... Once I figured out how. 😊
Jeff you are the Bob Ross of Home Reno!!! Thank you and your team for enlightening us with useful videos.
Glad to help
I'm replacing the screen material in all our windows. 1. They're 25 years old and the sun has faded them very nasty, 2. Our dog likes to communicate with us by knocking on the screens and they are all shredded.
So I ordered the heavy plastic mesh "pet proof" which is much thicker than prior mesh and after reading multiple bad reviews where people couldn't get them to stay in standard screens I figured it needed size smaller spline which after hours of research I found on line by the foot. It's not only thinner but textured too. I worked like a charm for me. Best rule for using the screen spline roller is to NEVER use the concave end because many of them can cut your screen material and kept a dull standard screw driver for starting and ending the spline inset.
Hey Lol I just saw this video and was getting ready to tell you how to do it. And tell you you had the right spline to begin with. I didn’t know how well you would take my advice as a woman. I just went through this process because a tree fell and took out half of my screen enclosure. I had to piece it back together, half the size and re-screen it it took me a minute to figure out how to put the spline in the right way too. But by the end of your video, I saw you figured it out. 😁
Thanks for being there for me. Cheers!
If you’d only asked sooner could’ve helped you out lol. 😊 But what I need to know is Where you can get the aluminum beams from I need about 10 replacements. Do you happen to know?
This is why I subscribed to your channel a long way back. I Appreciate what you are doing for us. I have a patio that I screened in. I have to start over. You have put so much joy in my Heart. I did not know anything about the screen system you have. THANK YOU 💯%. You have saved & taught a 61 yr old something new. 💖🌟💖
I appreciate that!
Thanks for following up on this. For what it’s worth same thing happened to me, fortunately was just on a single window
Sorry to hear that
Here's a tip... use the plastic spline roller tools instead of the metal ones. The plastic tools are much less likely to cut the screen when using them.
Lowes (at least in NC) sells the plastic one. HD has the one Jeff was using.
I’m installing screen for the first time in a couple days. This is the first video I watched for research, it’s not the same type of frame on the house I’m working on, so I almost skipped watching this. I’m so glad I didn’t skip it. Not only for the relatable frustration, but I learned a lot. Great video. Love the way you didn’t cut when things were going wrong and explained all the frustration that we all have dealt with at one time or another 👍🏻👍🏻
Do treated wood, instead of aluminum, heavy duty mesh and staple into the wood and double secure with wood trim to hide the staples. Works for our house in NE, near the lake, big winds and storms. Hope your new process/learning works!
Find a reptile keeper who breeds their own feeders. They would love to have that scrap screen!
I got some from my dad for a little breeding project and didn’t want to buy a huge roll.
Thank you as always!
Bro it happens to everyone I don't sweat it and appreciate you showing it. Being humble and not being afraid to try and fail is part of the process. I do it all the time but every time I do I've learned a lesson that lasts the rest of my life. Ill never judge a person that is willing to pave the road so everyone else can walk on it. Thanks man 👍
LOL. Jeff the road paving crew. I love it! Cheers!
Hell yeah, bro. Well done. As a DIYer no where near your acumen, the frustration is deeply relatable.
burns my butt when the store selling the product can't make a decent recommendation or even stock the correct spline that goes with the extrusion they sell. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Well I hope it's more the times than my fellow Floridians, but neither helps when you need the right spline and no one can help.
Love humble people. Earned a new subscriber.
Cheers. I am definitely working on the humble but love to share real problems and how to fix them.
Thank you Jeff, love your honesty and integrity. Cheers
Cheers Michael!
I am happy this happened to you. Not in a malicious way but in a way that good teaching comes from errors. You explained them & explained the solution. Loved it. Thanks
Watching this video is like watching down hill mountain bike videos. You watch and go yep not doing that until the right comes along and shows how to do it. I feel your pain and thanks for showing us the mistakes and the fixes! Been there done that is what a lot of people are probably thinking but relative to their own projects.
one thing you can count on in life....Life happens to us all! Cheers!
Great Video. I’ve used U-Tube for many things, hence why I watch your shows to improve my skills and learn new things. I share your frustration when some videographers inadvertently skip over something so mundane, but yet so important. Thank you for going the extra mile to fund the answer.
Thank you So much..this is extremely helpful to me as I have to prescreen several window screens and a sliding patio screen door, you are an absolute life and budget saver❤
Glad it helped! Cheers Yvonne!
Much respect Jeff. You didn't have to show us you were human, but you did.
Always. so much to learn from failure.
When I rescreened our lanai in FL, I noticed the old spline was a different shape than what I could find in a store. Shaped sorta tear shaped. Amazon to the rescue. Once you figure out which side goes in first, it worked great.
I have a few screens to replace. Thanks for the info. I was so confused about what size to use for the rubbery stringy thing
It's truly amazing how many times in my renovation of three houses with build dates spanning 90 years that I get a notification relevant to a current project. I have been looking at weather protection options for my raised deck (full enclosure? Partial enclosure? windows?) and this video reminded me I have lots of leftover aluminium flyscreen channel ... hmmm ...
I wish I had seen this video 10 years ago. Sitting here on a Sunday morning binge watching your videos and getting educated. OMG now I know why it didn't work. Yay you!
I am in Flordia and just finish fixing up the lanai. I learned that place the spline at the angle of the slot . It will make easier . Toward the frame . Also there are 2 kinds of spline , round and flat . The tool you have can do both .
exactly!
You are a wonderful teacher! I have learned drywall installation from you and am eternally grateful. This bit of real life is very entertaining and enlightening. Thanks!
Just being able to speak with someone at Home Depot is a miracle in itself. Nice job Jeff!
So, after your last video I also wondered why they gave you two wheels on the screen tool. And something I found for windows was "the flat side is for metal screen", to help shove and shape it into the channel. A good video as always though, and it's nice to see someone admit they were wrong and show you how they fixed it. A lot of channels would just go ahead and fix it off camera and leave viewers going "Well I tried that and it didn't work!"
I have a porch screen re - do coming up and was considering using the Home Depot product line for it. You"ve probably saved me from a great deal of time wasted. Thank you.
In this video you so remind me of myself. Definitely appreciate you showing us that it's not always "this easy".
Cheers Graeme!
Thank you for showing the right way to install flat spline. I have been fighting with a screen door for years and just tried your method and it worked like a charm!
Way to go jeff we are all learning every day. Tip is don’t get frustrated you ( everyone) when we get frustrated we don’t think it through
Half way thru I was yelling at my screen that he needs the flat spline. You’re right that it needs to be installed a certain way and it’s not clear. I almost gave up on my installation before I came across a CZcams video with a guy from Florida with that same tip. Thanks for the info.
Thank John for making mistakes for me so I don’t have to. Screen is kinda expensive so I may not trim out until I’m completely confident
Thanks for sharing the correct installation process, Jeff. ❤
You bet!
Brilliant, just another example of why I love this channel so much. Even in the areas you are not an expert you put the time, money and effort into learning so you can teach others how to do it right.
So you have the peak facing you and use the side of the tool that has the sharp bottom, right?
Bravo young man!!! Cheers, William
Did you measure the old spline? I would have thought it was permanently compressed over time so you would need it to be a bit larger.
I actually tried all 6 sizes, which were not always in stock. the .21 had a variance in the thickness of 200% from the start of the roll to the end. crap product should never even be on a shelf with that lousy quality control. CHeers!
I do as much work as possible on my rig myself in order to avoid huge shop bills. I can say with confidence that I always do the work correctly.... because I usually have to do it twice. 🥴 (I say that as I'm currently waiting on my new engine fan to arrive because I screwed up.)
This is the reason I watch this channel more than any other when it comes to DIY. You are humble and always own up to your mistakes because you know they always provide a teachable moment. I know I've learned more from my mistakes than anything else in life, and I would be wary of anyone who claimed to be "perfect everytime" on the first try. 😄
measure once and cut twice I always say. Cheers!
Wow much respect for posting this type of vid ... considering you did follow proper procidure
hey bro,just wanted to let you know you're the man!I've learned so much from you over the years.from hanging drywall to building a shed that could survive a bomb strike!...and now today,ive been goin crazy tryin to re-screen my house for the 3rd time,and as usual,you didnt let me down.i think its cool that you shared your frustration and thought process.fuk bob villa you are the king of renovation and you aint afraid to let it be known that you too are only human.much respect my friend.thanks again for the wisdom and lessons! cheers!
Usually with extrusion like that, it is a flat spline that is used. Especially with the new extrusion that you bought. Hope that helps. Appreciate your videos
this kind of thing happens to the best of us - thanks for taking the time to video the correction
You really got mad man!! Thank you for everything!!
Ohhhhh do I ever feel your frustration, sir. Patience is a virtue. In this case and several….im not virtuous.❤️
Thanks for sharing Jeff. When I saw the first video I almost didn't pay attention to the spline parts since like you, I've done my fair share. But seeing this video I was also humbled because I'd make the same mistake, never knew there was a flat spline and that it had to go in a specific orientation. Thanks for sharing, noting this one for the future!
I made this same mistake until I realized I needed the spline to go way deeper than I was doing it. But, this flat spline I have never seen before. Now I've learned something. Thank you.
The rounded wheel is also used to press aluminum mesh completely into the frame canal. then follow with the spline. I found a 2-inch steel concave spline tool at an estate sale for 3 bucks. Priceless! I work in retail hardware. Fortunate is the customer that I get to direct to Home Renovision DIY and Jeff's other channels, on CZcams.
Thank you for the video. Finally someone has explained how to do it and what to use. I forget how many times I've had to re-do my verandah screens.
Wow!!! I was getting ready to go buy the same material from Home Depot after watching the first video!! So glad I waited and SO APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR TRANSPARENCY!!! YOU ARE TRULY A TREASURE!!! Thank you!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
You are awesome!
Could save that "old" screening for smaller screens... So not a complete waste. Thanks for solving this important home DIY once and for all.
Thanks for keeping it real. So many CZcamsrs don't show the struggles. As the old saying goes... "Construction is a series of controlled screw-ups." 😃 And it's impossible for the big box stores to be experts on everything they sell, So you're sometimes better off going to a specialist or a local Mom & Pop hardware store.
I share in your frustration Jeff, but as you say, failure is the best teacher. Thanks for taking one for the team!
Thank you Jeff. On the good side, you realized right away, your original screen couldn't be used. For many projects, it's beneficial to observe uninstallation, so it can be reverse engineered. It can be so basic as folding a tent; how did the factory fold it? I relearn the lesson often.
I like watching this type of video, I feel that if by some chance I ever do make my first mistake, knowing others have done so and survived to tell the tale will make it less devastating for me... It is a bit of a curse being perfect!
Your cutaway at the 3 minute mark is exactly why you're the best How-To guy on CZcams. Thanks for everything!
Wow, thanks!
The convex part of the spline roller 9:44 is use for aluminum screen to pre roll it before rolling the spline with the concave side.
Great, informative video! I appreciate that you show us the good, the bad and the ugly - all for our benefit.
The last time I rescreened windows for my parents’ house was about 40 years ago when I was around 15 years old. The only problems I had was accidentally cut the screen with the tool on the wrong side and not getting the horizontal bar in the middle of the screen for a couple windows so it looked all janky but my parents didn’t care as long as the screens had no holes.
So now it’s time to do them again, wish me luck.🤞
It's oddly refreshing to see you struggle a bit on a project (especially one that appears to be so easy). Thank you for sharing it! When you learn something new, it's been a successful day.
My pleasure!
Thank you Jeff for the humble pieand steps to regain the process towards success.
Always a pleasure to watch and listen.
Shivering 🖤 🔔, 👍🏻
Dare I say that this is one of the best videos you've ever made. Maybe the relatability 🤔 Thank you for sharing how obstacles are just opportunities to learn.
Love people committed to doing a good job!
Amazing work Jeff . Love your passion. I learn something every day from you. Thank you for your hard work , and sharing your knowledge. 😘🙏
This tutorial and your entire series on this porch has been helpful for me. Thank you for sharing!
Do you have any suggestions on how to remove creases in the screen? We had ours folded in storage and we have no idea how to get them out.
Flat spline is all I have ever used here in Florida. Also putting the spline in a bucket of warm water makes it even easier to install. Or leave it in the sun for a bit before installing.
nice. Cheers!
word of advice, having been a maintenance tech for apartments. I've had to do dozens and dozens of rescreens and make the frames. Always try to not make the rubber facing outwards or have something to cover the rubber. Because time and time again i notice the sun breaks the rubber down and that leads to the screens failing, by falling apart.
The rubber belongs on the outside. Besides looking better, it allows you to insert and remove screens from the inside. The sun will age it faster but there are other considerations.
I used Snap Tight on my deck 20 plus years ago and have had no problems! Guess I was lucky! Got mine from Lowes
Very few people will acknowledge their mistakes, let alone broadcast them. Thank you for sharing!
Good job Jeff!
Excellent, authentic video. 👍❤
Welcome to Florida, where it’s everyone’s first day everywhere you go.
The look @11:52 was priceless. Thanks for the truly helpful content Jeff
Thank you for showing us this!
My pleasure!
Thank god! I had the EXACT same problem with my storm door. I was going to use a caliper to see what the space size was.
But what do we do with the round stuff?
100% your mistakes gave me stuff to consider before I approached this task myself! Thanks for your transparency and openness!!!
(You sounded a little like Darth Vader though!)
The house I bought 2 years ago has a screen porch with the same extrusion. I had to replace a few screen sections and I had to reuse the spline because I could not find any new and it was the flat type like what you ended up using. After trial and error Ifigured out how it was installed too!
I’ve had that experience… trying to find a crucial detail in a bunch of videos/web discussions. Thank you for showing us the right way.
Looks like you can repurpose the old screens for smaller windows so it won’t be a complete waste.
I got to laugh at the end of your video. It was Dejan vu all over again:) I had to rescreen my pool enclosure. It had flat spline so I had to figure out how to install it. After much frustration as you had, I figured it out once I got the correct spline and how to install it. Thanks for all the great videos!
Keeping it real. Thanks.
I’m getting ready to install screen today. I am saving this video for later for when it fails. I ended up getting 0.190 after starring mindlessly at all the different thicknesses, but no explanation to which one to use.
That's such a bummer. But everyone still has something new to learn. I hope you kept the old screen in case any of the windows needed it!
as a florida girl who has done this hundreds of times (damn hurricanes) may I say you did it perfect ❤ while eventually with weather and storms you will have to replace it, this was will last a good long while 😃
Cheers Lisa! I hope so!
Glad to see you have an issue with something. Sometimes we feel stupid watching you do things so easy and we struggle.
Make sure you never skip showing the little details. I guess you have now seen how how people that have never done it can miss a small detail and be unable to figure it out. 😁