When Should You Use Urethane? -
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
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This week, Phil talks about the ever popular urethane bowling ball and when the best time to use it might be. Is it for you?
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I'm a decent high rev bowler and a lefty. I absolutely love the purple hammer on house shot! Extremely controllable. If I miss in, it holds. If I miss left it hooks back
Most balls do that on a typical house pattern
@jrvk82 not as well as urethane for me. Rev rate tends to make the ball overreact causing me to have to move right which is less predictable then urethane 👍
@@jrvk82 obviously, it's a house shot.
So basically if it wasn’t for the ball you’d be 150avg
@@Jdbreal299 how is that?
This is exactly what I wanted to hear when I was searching this topic. Awesome video.
its helpful in bowling to understand how exactly you and other people on your pair are changing the pattern from each shot. it’s extremely helpful in bowling to understand how exactly to change the pattern shot by shot to your advantage.
don’t get mad at the guy throwing urethane on a fresh hard or short pattern. if hes in the right part of the lane it’s likely that he’s helping you by giving the pattern some shape / hold. adjust to it like you would typically when your ball skids too much: slower speed, stronger ball, make a move, etc. boom, now you have a little more room.
get mad at the guy throwing urethane on a 230 scoring pattern. the lanes already have some shape/hold and the urethane is over exaggerating it.
Thank you for this tech talk on this subject! This was much needed.
As a two handed lefty...all my reactive balls hook to much on house. Urethane helps me control the lane a lot more.
I start with urethane in league most weeks. 2H Rev dom lefty on a dry coiffed house shot. Even my smoothest reactive balls try to go sideways on the league shot. So I start with urethane, and ball up when the 7 pin or 3 pin starts popping up.
My problem with the old urethane was carry down when on synthetic lanes. Than I took a new Fab Black Hammer and drilled it using a Mo Hole layout. Now the ball had a 2" flare. As a result, no more carry down problems. Even with the balance hole now plugged there is still flare and no carry down effect. So being rev dominant from time to time I will use either the old Fab Black or Pink Hammer with a plugged Mo Hole to play straight up 2nd arrow on a house shot with good results most of the time. Might try the new Black Hammer and see what I can do with it with a similar layout using 16 lbs of course.
Sometimes the urethane works and sometimes it doesn't, regardless of the oil pattern.
I throw 3 urethanes and 2 reactives during warm-ups on every condition. A black pearl hammer, a purple pearl hammer, a red fab hammer. And I decide what reactives to try based on how the other balls perform, or how quickly they come back dry playing right of 5.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Phil. I’m interested in getting one but would like to test it out first. How do I know if it’ll work for me from review videos?
Storm Pitch Black was my first urethane when I was two-handed and still continues to serve me well, now that I've switched to one-handed. However, I might have to do some re-surfacing though because I remember one time someone asked me if it was polished lmao
Well said sir. Love this series.
As an old school Full Roller who grew up throwing rubber, plastic and then urethane, I would agree with Phil.
For most average house shot bowlers who do not have high execution levels or shot repeatability, using resin will protect them and allow them a greater margin of error and ultimately higher scoring. If those same bowlers were to start using urethane, which requires a much higher execution level for success than resin, they would see a drop in their average and actually some confusion on what moves to make since urethane rolls through the lane in an entirely different manner than resin.
For those bowlers with great accuracy and shot repeatability, urethane can be a deadly weapon bordering on a cheat code.
I disagree with Phil that low rev, low speed bowlers cannot benefit from urethane. I am a very low rev and slow ball speed Full Roller senior and my highest series and games have all been shot with urethane. Urethane works exceptionally well for bowlers that know how to bowl straight with control regardless of rev rate or speed.
I always welcome the info I get here. I just want all the coverstocks available to me since I'm still learning.
Still guessing the next Radical ball will be Nuethane or Urethane... Based on this video I'm leaning towards Nu, lol. Great video!
Definitely works well with me for being a high speed, lefty
I'm a rev dominant bowler with only maybe 15.5mph off my hand. I use urethane pretty much all the time, because almost all the reactive balls i throw are much more sensitive to my release and revs. Reactive balls always hook more than i want i just have a harder time being consistent with them. I'm much more comfortable throwing urethane.
With all due respect to Phil, it is not carved in granite that only high rev/high speed bowlers truly benefit from urethane, and not on house shots.The flip side of resin balls being created to hook more and more with each company's newest release, is that the modern resin balls need more ball speed. If a bowler has lower ball speed, they might not be able to control the reaction shape of a modern resin ball, even with layout and surface changes. And if you are bowling on cliffed house shots, modern resin balls can create extremely challenging over/under conditions. Further, if you're a lefty, you probably won't have much help from teammates or opponents to break down that cliff and smooth out the reaction. Petraglia said it best years ago: if a lefty has a look at the start of play, he probably won't lose that look and will dominate. But if a lefty does not have a look at the start of play, he probably won't find it, because no one save himself is there to break down the pattern. All told, there are certain bowlers who can and would benefit from urethane on house shots--even if they don't "throw the ball like the PBA pros do." When you lack the ball speed or rev rate to control over/under reaction, even on a house shot, urethane can give you that control. Is your 2-teen or 220 game going to stand up to a resin user's 230-240+ game? No. However, from a team perspective, if I had to choose shooting that 2-teen game with urethane, versus beating my head against the wall with multiple splits stemming from forcing resin to work, I'd take the urethane 2-teen game anyday! The argument that bowlers force urethane to work when it's just not called for, is absolutely true; but for some bowlers, the reverse is also true when forcing resin to work, just because "urethane should not be used on a house shot."
One hand No thumb high rev low speed old guy I found something better than urethane. Plastic Columbia white dot. More success on multiple house shots. Urethane sometimes forces me in a few boards into the cliff. White Dot keeps me next to the dry and use the cliff as hold. Reactives push me way left and even if it is a great shot on the left lane, the ball return gets in the way on the right lane. Can't get in front as my speed gets too low to be consistent. What other sport has a big obstacle in the middle of the playing area?
@@ripvanrevs True and interesting, but what other sport is contested on two different yet adjacent playing fields?
@@ripvanrevs I keep my WD close at all times and pull it out when the big resin balls take all the oil away.
The vast majority of the time you can blend out over/under on house just as well with the right resin balls. A lot of people are just allergic to staying behind it and keeping angles straighter and they create a problem that isn't there.
@@garvin9939 A lot of people have also not been shown HOW to "stay behind the ball", despite Randy telling us that we need to do that. Additionally, those of us who started bowling during the "turn your hand around the ball to make it hook" era, have a harder time staying behind and through the ball. It can certainly be taught and learned, but it takes time, effort, patience and dedication.
I just shot 300 at Sparetimes Monday Majors with the IQ 78U
10x31/2x30 I love it!!!!!
very easy question, when it benefits you. bottom line, dont go by what others complain about or the shot, if you can throw urethane down and in go for it..
That's fine and I'll boot them from the team unless they alone can cover what the other players on the team are losing.
@@AverageLeagueHackAnd if the other players on the team see their averages go up?
@@SuterBowling right because lower rev and lower speed League bowlers love to have the fronts blown out combined with oil being pushed toward the pins so it can burn up in the front and then have nothing left in the back.
@@AverageLeagueHack That didn't answer my question.
@charlesgerlach7059 I agree, I experimented with playing with purple hammer on league night. It gave me the most consistent 200 score. My reactive some nights will overreact. Throw whatever ball will give you the best outcome base on how the lanes will play that day. But you gotta still gotta make quality shots with whatever you got.
I have never been a fan of Urethane but I can’t say nothing bad about it because I never learned how to properly use urethane ball but this video helped me
So how do you handle a lane where you are having a bowler bowling with a urethane and the lane is getting messed up? Shouldnt one use urethane then? I do get lots of splits while in a lane where other bowlers are rolling urethane...and no adjustments work!
Just yesterday i saw one in my club get the lanes fucked up by his teammates.
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Phil y be so nice….. probably 90% + of amateur bowlers should never use urethane period
I'm a +450 rev bowler who prefers to only bowl on sport shots. I'm averaging about 145 with my purple. I can't use this shit if my life depended on it.
This video is misleading because I shot a 245 using the Brunswick true motion urethane on a house shot my rev rate is about 300 to 330 RPM and my ball speed is about 15 to 15 1/2 mph
If it works for you and your team throw it.
Sounds like sales are lower because the Purple does well for many more players and conditions than they predicted. So now we get the "hey do you really benefit from it?" speech :P Well if people didn't benefit from it, guess what. They wouldn't keep buying them for 5 or 7 years like crazy.
There's definitely an element of people overusing them when its not necessary though.
@@garvin9939 i can agree with that.
Thank you Phil Cardinale for opening up some peoples eyes. I get a headache when i see low rev/low speed bowlers fooling around with Purple Hammers not knowing what mess they create with their urethans. Without having a chance to benefit. I have a Roto Grip UC3 with i pratically never touch and my avg is ~190 almost only on Sport Shoots. No tumb one-hander 350 rpms mid-speed
Cool video talk tech bowling urethane bowling ball radical Phil