The Moe Norman and Bryson DeChambeau Secret - Part 2
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2020
- Do Moe Norman and current PGA superstar Bryson DeChambeau have a secret? Even though I don't really believe in "secrets" I do believe that swing secrets are simply biomechanical advantages established from how you position the body to strike a ball on the ground with a stick.
What is a biomechanical advantage? It can be described as a position of the body that creates an advantage whereby eliminating variables. The elimination of the angle of the wrist at address, fully reaching the maximum ulnar deviation of the lead wrist, created a biomechanical advantage for Moe Norman and is also why Bryson DeChambeau is quickly becoming the next great ball striker on the PGA Tour.
We call this elimination of the angle - The Single Plane Golf swing which starts the club, through the proper ulnar deviation, on the same plane as impact. The Single Plane swing a biomechanical advantage, and not a quick fix golf technique. It is a system, beginning at address, that simplifies the most important moment of the golf swing - impact.
When you have the ideal lead arm position, you have biomechanically placed your body at address, with the proper spacing from the ball. You have also placed the trail arm in a non-rotational position. Naturally, this is the same position that you would use to skip a rock.
The combination of the lead arm and trail arm positions produces the perfect conditions to reduce the wrist angle variation during the golf swing. This is how Bryson DeChambeau and Moe Norman mechanically simplify the golf swing..
About the Single Plane Golf Swing
Starting at address on two planes where the arms hang straight down at address, the Conventional golf swing is complicated. Because the arms are hanging straight down, a conventional golfer must lift the body into impact creating stress on the back.
This upward movement to accommodate the two planes is unnecessary.
The Single Plane Golf swing simplifies the golf swing by eliminating the need for the upward movement by starting and impacting on the same plane.
To find out Moe about the Single Plane Golf Swing, you can order my book The Single Plane Golf Swing, Play Better Golf the Moe Norman way here:
www.amazon.com/Single-Plane-G...
You can also visit the Graves Golf website here: Gravesgolf.com.
#singleplane #MoeNorman #ToddGraves #BrysonDeChambeau - Sport
I started doing this at 74 years of age and in addition to more distance and hitting down the line this swing has saved my back and given me many more years of golf. Thanks!
Awesome video! Ben Hogan’s “half underhand half sidearm throwing motion” description of the golf swing finally makes sense! Your setup position helps make this motion so much more natural. Thanks Todd!
Appreciate the great content and especially, your simplified explanation of what IMO [is] golf’s greatest secret: Mr Moe Norman (RIP), himself! 🙏🏽😊
Todd, thanks for these great videos which help everyone to better understand what should happen in the Single Plane Swing. Extremely helpful.
Glad to help!
This is a good thing. Todd, you are actually showing a bit of aging since 2001 when I was in Orlando for my first lesson with the Graves/ Moe method. This method has turned my golf experience to an enjoyable experience every time I play a round of golf. Glad to hear you are still with the teaching of the Graves method of golf. 👏👏👏
Time moves on. Thanks for commenting.
First range session to try and implement the Moe Norman swing and blocked most shots because I thought I needed to keep my wrists from “unnaturally” hinging. Apparently they weren’t hinging much at all. Finally decided to add a little wrist hinge DURING the backswing and shots began to go straight and I felt like I covered the ball better.
Awesome video! Thank you!
I have been golfing like that. 67 yrs old Hit my driver approx 240 to 265 Happy with that. I hit them dead straight every time.
Thank you Wayne
Thanks , you simplify everything .
Enjoy the videos. Still reading your book and practicing with single plane aligner , once foot placement arrives I may venture to a range
Hey Todd, I have been doing Natural Golf since the Golf Magazine featuring Moe on the cover in late 1998 or 1999. I even was a participant in Natural Golf infomercial filmed in Palm Springs with Ron Jaworski (The Polish Rifle) as the moderator. Since then, I have accumulated 2 club championships and numerous SCGA and San Diego sectional wins. I can't say enough about feeling of hitting the ball where you want. In team matches I would get into my opponent's head by hitting my drive and then picking up my tee and never watching the drive, what a psychic job on your opponent! Give it a try, the only thing you can lose are strokes off you handicap !!!
Thanks Todd. Explains it perfectly.
Sure. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks Todd for the new CZcams content. Been following and watching your videos for years. Do you feel the wrists hinge more with palmar flexion(trail hand ) vs radial deviation. It sounds to me you input the ulnar deviation and add additional hinge via palmar flexion? Thanks
Just love the thought I could hit the ball again 320 like when I had two hole in ones on par 4rs. at 70 now should I go to the Mo Norman swing? Never had it before, but I love your teachings and Bryson
Based on this video, yesterday I played at Willow Glen Sycuan in San Diego. For the longest time, I had been trying to hit my M1 driver straight lacking absolute success at it. So, I must say that. by using the single plane swing I was able to connect every single shot laser straight. I was amazed at the accuracy obtained for it was a club I was afraid to pull out because it got me in trouble most of the time. Thank you for the explanation. My only problem was that by using the same technique I sent my iron shots slightly to the left every time, so my approach shot was not ideal. My goal: I will go to the range to correct the irons, either by placing them a bit back on my stance, or opening the face a bit, or using a weaker grip.
Exactly what I just discovered I was doing wrong with my irons, pre-cocking them! I was able to figure it out because I was cocking my wrists correctly with my 3-wood for some reason. Thanks for this detailed explanation though as it is of major importance to the swing!
I cannot wait to try this TODAY!
I tried this methond this morning on the driving range, I am a new golfer and I am really finding it difficult to hit the driver consistently, even when I hit a nice shot I do not know what I did correct, but after just one bucket of balls using this method, I could hit my driver almost dead straight, every time with little effort. Thank you for sharing this
Found that the info on ulnar deviation was one thing I was certainly missing. Still hit a few irons where the heel catch’s the ground and I hit low draws. Working on the correct tilt, just not sure yet. Working hard, improving. Thanks
I think the lie angle on irons needs to be flatter with the single plane swing 🤔
These videos have changed my game!! Unbelievable Day, i have never seen that type of ball ✈️. Felt pro like tratectory
Great to hear!
I love the concept and simplicity of the single plane swing … eliminating variables can't help but improve consistency of the strike. A few questions though. Can you move the ball - small draw, or power fade - with this swing and how? Years ago, I learned from a coach what he called the single swing plane but with a much narrower stance, a pre-cock of a sorts but the club head was always tracking on a single plane; and we worked with stabalizing the legs to reduce variability and create torque. With that swing, it was slight ball position moves that allowed for the various shots and/or vertical ball flight heights … the whole theory revolved around the circle. I'm curious about the physics / biomechanics of Moe's swing. And how does it generate power? I'm a handsy player, with a dominant right hand through impact; whereas this swing seems to kill the hands. Again, curious. This is a swing I'd be willing to make a change toward. Especially if it minimizes pressure on the joints like the hips, knees, wrists and shoulders while maximizing power and control.
In terms of shaping the ball, have a look at Jack Nicklaus's method which mainly focuses on how your body is set up prior to impact. If you draw or fade the ball that way there's no reason why you can't use this swing with it!
Todd I have to give you a big THANK YOU. I must admit that I tried Moe's swing for a few months years ago and I would often knock down multiple flagsticks on the range, but could not "feel" the swing on the course so I gave up. I realize now my problems stemmed from grip issues, but that is another story. Anyway, I am 61 years old and I have had trouble breaking 80 for 2 years now. It seems I never ever ever hit the green, yet my shots with the driver are generally very good if not excellent. I admit that I don't think our group plays the correct tees. Our course is all carry to every green and I usually hit a wood into most greens, and I can't reach about 4 holes in regulation anyway. I use 1, 5, 7, 9, and 11 woods, and 7 iron and up. Well I watched many of your videos yesterday and went to the course today with the commitment of trying this swing every shot. Today I shot 77 hitting 14 greens, and sinking only one good putt. 10 of those greens were from outside the 150 and 4 approach shots basically hit the flag. Last year, I had lower enthusiasm for going out to the course, but let me tell you, I cannot wait to get out there tomorrow. Your videos have helped me understand the one plane swing. Thank you so much!
Thats great. You are welcome!
I just tried the single plane golf swing last practice and wow I’m 57 years old and I picked up probably 60 yards with my driver. My last 2 shots I hit my driver to try it and they went 340 yards slight draw wow. Can’t wait to hit more .
I love Moe and I really appreciate your videos. My left knee seems to bear a lot of weight/pressure when I swing and I have dealt with this by wearing running shoes and letting my left foot turn some on the follow through. Do you or your students have left knee issues and, if so, any tips for working around it. Thanks so much.
One thing I do open my foot a little outward...that helps take pressure off the knee....the other thing I do is concentrate on dropping my weight over my left big toe so I don't feel like I'm putting so much pressure on the knee....seems to be working for me.....hope that helps a little bit
Great videos
Glad you like them!
Love it!!
Glad you like it!
Outstanding!,
Thanks.
Another superb video Todd but one thing
I'm sure people get confused with is that they let there right hands take control of the swing which leads to inconsistency.
Norman Trevino and de chambeau were very good at letting the left arm do the work. I did see the left arm drill in the book it's just in the videos it's never mentioned Thanks Steve
Yes. I should talk about the role of the left arm more.
It's nice to know that there's one less thing to think about when swinging the club. Been applying the single plane principles and my slice is gone .just a slight fade or e even a draw. Played last night and off the first tee I drove it 270 and birdied the hole! Normally the first tee is a disaster. My irons and wedge play has also improved, much more consistent. Just need to work on my putting! 😊
Excellent! I'm loving this channel. Can you address the spine angle and right shoulder connection? Also the forward leg brace and horizontal tug? And wedges? How would this HIGHLY EFFECTIVE yet very ridgid style relax itself to allow the daft touch one needs to score witht the wedges?
Great suggestion! Im on it for a near-future video.
Todd Graves wow! It’s awesome to know that these things are in the works by you. Thank you. A golf swing can’t be rushed. It is built. If I just accomplish my goals for a round and ingrain those as best I can, over time scores just come down. Love the day’s swing thoughts, and let the swing develop over a season. Be easy. Relax and enjoy the game for what it is.
@@ToddGravesGolf The timing was just spot on at impact. I had such a sweet lag and crisp swat into and through the ball... right down the lane, right through that ball the center of my club head chased that 22 inches poetically post-impact, and i had no leakage of power wahtsoever like i normally do with a push or pull near the end of my ball's flight, and my spine angle allowed my shoulders to be on a swivel, hands passing by planted quiet but athletic feet, just pulling that firm left wrist and the just right amount of right wrist angle leading the clubface into the ball. What a day.
My only question...did you clear that water?? Man that looks far ! LOL good video once again Todd! Love the content.
Yes. It's only about 220 carry. Lol.
Hey Todd really appreciate these segments you're doing. I have a question for you, if you were going to be using this technique and with the triangulation of the arms and spine do you need to have your clubs refitted or is this something that is adaptable to the standard off the rack set of clubs?
Definitely need clubs that fit. Great fitting clubs are a huge benefit to helping you maximize your potential . Email me at toddg@Gravesgolf.com and I can help.
What is the stance difference with the driver and the iron? Is there still a giant tilt?
Great 2 part videos. Can you do one for irons with single plane swing?
Will do.
And wedges please
How's the distance with one plane swing method to strike the ball through?
PERFECTOE!!!
Enjoying your videos Todd. I think Bryson actually works to restrict his wrist movement. You'd have to have strong hands to do that and I would think you'd also have to allow your lead arm to bend at the elbow more. The straight lead arm that I was taught in my early twenties ruined me and ultimately my desire to play. I thought if I didn't keep my arm straight as taught by instructors I couldn't be good and because I could never get it to feel right I gave up on it. I enjoy watching Todd's videos though as they speak to pretty much everything I had in my head back in the late 80's but kept getting taught something entirely different.
Yes, Bryson keeps the wrists relatively passive although when you bend your trail arm, the wrists do have some movement. The point is that it is not a conscious movement - like skipping a rock is not a conscious wrist movement.
@@ToddGravesGolf So Todd. When I'm working on single plane I've found that after reaching the top of my swing and start my transition I find that just as I open my lead leg slightly I sort of sit/squat and that's actually what seems to start the downswing. Is this normal?
I agree with you. This is the swing that felt most natural to me but kept getting talked out of it until I started working with Ben Doyle. He was trying to teach me this swing, mostly, but was such a poor communicator that I didn't get it. When I watch swings, Moe's and George Knudson seem to fit my eye. I'm glad I'm staying with this method. It's been a rough couple months but it's coming together now. Thank goodness for feedback video. I wanna do a one day school.
How does this swing work when it comes to striking your irons?
Interesting stuff! Other than the resemblance to impact what is the value of radially deviating the lead wrist. Obviously the lead wrist will radially deviate at some point in the backswing and then ulnar deviate at some point in the downswing? Do you think that ulnar deviation may promote getting the club head too far inside the hands on the backswing?
no.
Todd, noticed your driver address stance is very wide. Always heard keep stance slightly wider than shoulders width. Do you subscribe to a set driver width, regardless of how tall a person is? I'm 5' 10". My 2 plane swing driver stance is about 22" measured big toe to big toe. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge.
The information I've studied from Todd's book and videos is 22" measured from the heels.
Hey Todd, aside from the obvious differences in setup, how similar do you think Moe's and George Knudson swings were? Thanks
Not sure but all good golf swings have many things in common. Moe's address position eliminated variables. That is what.I focus on mostly.
I love how he does the Moe Norman point at the end of his swing 😂 he wishes he was Moe Norman he's so obsessed with the single plane swing
Yes. I am obsessed with the Single Plane Swing. That is true.
Worked great for my drives and fairway woods. Not happening with irons...mishitting and not able to compress the ball. Doing something wrong.
Probably ball position or too much tilt.
The master move
Moe Norman, like Ben Hogan, George Knudson and Lee Trevino supinated the right hand from top of BS(palm facing the sky), through impact. The right hand never crossed over the left hand before or after impact.
No throw, no hinge, no release... rather a sweep.
SO the same set up applies with iron shots, lobs, pitches and sand shots?
Somewhat however, think about it from a "high Speed" perspective. When you are swing at high speeds, you need to eliminate variables. This is done with Ulnar Deviation of the wrist, and some other factors. With short game shots, the club is not moving at high speeds however, I do place my wrist in full ulnar deviation in chipping, and pithing. Bunker shots too but this depends on the lie and shot of the ball. I will explain in a later video.
I've been watching your videos... it looks like to me you wouldn't get many yards doing it that way... I'm going to give it a try and see.
I swing like this now I can still carry 250 with the driver just much more consistent. If your hitting well over 300 yards now this type of swing might lose you a few yards
Todd I’m a inner circle member I’m having trouble is the club head square at address or slightly open thank you
Pay more attention to the lead arm and hand position and get the body tilt correct. This relationship is more important than being perfectly square at address. Once you feel the correct arm position and body position, the club face gets easier to square at address.
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I noticed your left arm your lead arm is relativity straight on the back swing with the trail arm bent. I am a senior and find it difficult to keep my lead arm as straight as yours in the back swing. Should I persevere and try and keep the arm straight or will a little bend
be ok
Ian I have a pretty beat up body, previously broken neck and lower back, torn right bicep and rotator cuff and messed up elbow and wrist. I have broken my left hand and arm as well. My left arm bends in the swing as well but as long as you are hitting your positions you can still get that feeling of greatness. The more important thing with the left arm if you ask me is that the elbow and knuckles at contact need to be aimed at the target. If you can accomplish that along with having club face square every swing then you will send the ball down the pipe and not left or right no matter if your left arm bends or not. This is at least my experience of hitting over 100 balls a day for 3+ months. I would say you should sign up over at Todd's site you can start for $27 members.singleplaneacademy.com/join/
Okay to bend the lead arm on your back swing, just make sure it's in the correct impact position. Get yourself an impact bag and work on the impact position, do this as much as possible in your spare time, video yourself to be sure it looks correct. I have a sore back issue and can't pound balls on the range like I want to but practicing with the impact bag at about 60 percent speed is the next best thing, and absolutely no stress on my back.
Key is feeling the weight again Moe used E7 swing weight for a reason as does Bryson feeling the skip good stuff
If you want to talk Bryson's swing in your context you need to look back to 2015 vs now. In the critical transition from backswing to downswing no reputable biomechanics person would say he is swinging on one plane. Club is so far across the line and we all know it is going to get a little steep on the way down, shallow some and the shaft will be between his arms between P5 and P6. But that isn't single plane. That is single plane for a few frames of the swing. Big difference. Compare his NCAA swing with any swing from about 2017 until now. Huge deviations, and this isn't going to end well.
I totally agree with you. Bryson uses pieces of Moes swing.
Correct the term single plane is BS
Arms straight, tilt body, feet planted and swing, keeping forearms glued to side if body, right?
of body
forearms to body??? No.
this is my swing i just dont put my hands up so high feels like i cant bomb the drives doing that i tried it i just have to drop hands say 4 inches for power
Their called out thumb pads your swinging those and hinging those not your wrist.
👍👍
I would teach the old Moe Norman single plane vs the new Modified Bryson swing
@@FM-db3ft agree
I hold the club like Moe Norman
I hit the ball like Moe form the 3 stooges
lol .... This...Golf is hard or everybody would be crushing it
You are better off than me! I hit it like all 3 stooges.
Hi Todd. Thank you for the generous amount of content you put on your CZcams channel. One of the things Bryson has done a lot of is to customize his set up for his lie angle. If I remember correctly, his clubs are 11-degrees upright. Can you comment on how to customize clubs to maximize the chances for clean contact using the Single Plane Swing?
Can I be honest? you need clubs that fit your swing speed and a lie angle that fits your spine bend. That is really it. My clubs are a few degrees flat because of their length.
@@ToddGravesGolf Thanks, Todd. I searched through your site and found the club fitting form. Tim helped guide me through some options that confirmed my suspicion that the current lie angles on my clubs are too upright . I will be visiting a local club fitter by the end of this week to help re-configure my bag. I appreciate your responsiveness and hope that you are staying well amid the pandemic. -Seth
Hey Todd! My club face is open at the top. Any tips for this?
What is causing it to be open?
@@ToddGravesGolf I am not sure... I feel like everything is in order and I don't feel like I'm cupping the wrists at the top but my clubface is pointing straight down at the top
@@Kylez1212 we’re not very good at guessing when we can’t see the students swing motion. Did you know we have one of most comprehensive online instruction academies in the industry? You can actually send your swing video into one of our coaches and get a personal lesson. This way the coach can tell you exactly what the issue is. If you’re interested you can email toddg@gravesgolf.com and I’ll connect you into the single plane Academy.
@@Kylez1212 Sorry. Email is toddg@gravesgolf.com
What distance Your driver shot is getting?
275 fly
Thanks Todd for info. Do i need to modify driver ?
Why on earth do I feel like I’m cheating bye using this swing
Exactly!.
"Page 88 of your book, From down-the-line-view, the hands hinge the club upward as the trail arm folds to the top of the back swing..."hands hinge to form the leverage angle......so we now want to be more like Bryson and NOT set that hinge just let it happen Right
The trail arm folds and The hands hinge upward. Just don't make it conscious. let it happen like you are skipping a rock.
Todd, I would like to see you do a video starting from address to finish position with your brother being the model. It appears some of his swing positions are more pronounced.
Sorry Todd , yes the brain is fast enough, you and I aren’t.😎👍🏻
Maybe so lol.
Sorry, but that swing style looks, well, not normal. I can see it can be more consistent, but it's doesn't look natural and it looks like some power is lost with it too.
Natural? Hit a ball on the ground with a stick and you will see the same natural Motion.
Poorly named video. Considering Bryson is using 100% of Moe Norman's Swing. It's The Moe Norman's Secret and his alone!!! Love watching your video's though.