Perhaps this comment is a bit off-topic but I’d like to thank you for putting in the work and effort running this utmost interesting, down-to-earth and competent CZcams-channel. The best on historical swordsmanship I know of, generously sharing / providing your insights, experiences and hard-earned knowledge over all those years. This is all very helpful and greatly, greatly appreciated - so a big Thank You to Paul Wagner, Stephen Hand all the other gents and ladies involved! Greetings from Germany.
I'm learning English Longsword at the moment, and we effectively only have three texts devoted to the topic, and while I'm sure there's more in a dusty library somewhere, it just needs discovering and expanding on. The main difference I find between English and German/Italian stuff is the subject of "Are hands a valid target?", and I'd answer yes, they are!
Thanks for this content, Paul. Do you think that British sword systems can be generally summed up by saying "Within these principles, please yourself?"
Ok, I gotta' know where your getting your evidence from! What fightbooks/manuscripts are you drawing on, I'm learning peter-von-danzig at the moment but would love to move onto some of these techniques once I'm comfortable. As such, if you could point me in the direction of your sorces/refence materials that would be awsome! Super interesting video!
is this a quote? as i can not find it in BI or POD. @ 8:19/10:59 'remember that at two hand sword, that you lye in such sort upon your wards that you may both ward, strike and thrust both dubble and single, and then returne to your former wards slyps and lyinge againe and then are you as uoy were before.'
I'm gonna buy a damn training long sword, can't stand it man, everyday training with a god-damn stick of wood. Luckily i'll get a job in around 20 days, i've got only 300 hundred bucks and i'm going to go broke if i try to get one now. A peasant's life, i guess! But soon it shall be no more like this, heheh. Fucking miserable life, and i'm only 20 years old.
@@GuildofKnightlyArts & @Stoccata Do you think that the "long guard" in the center by the breast with the point forth and the one extended out could be what "back foyne and fore foyne" could be refering to (as well as the thrusts)? I've read other interpretations that the back and fore foyne are simply thrusts on the inside and outside of an opponent's blade, but is there possibility an addtional application to the names here in regards to the Lyings?
EccentricM I don’t think so. The whole bearing the sword up by your breast is questionable at the moment for me. It would obviously be like the Italian Bicorno, however this transcription I’ve been told doesn’t appear in the British Library manuscript only in the later Alfred Hutton transcription. I’ve requested a digital image of the Ledall Roll from the BL but the Covid 19 has delayed my request on their end. Anyways, the fore foyne and back foyne are unrelated to this particular play and appear very often in the chases and counters, as does the Bow foyne. In practically applying the instructions of the Ledall plays we’ve found that it is most sensible to apply these terms as thrusts using either the back or fore edge of the blade.
EccentricM thanks! I need to upload more it is just hard to manage a local club and then keep up with a CZcams channel. I will work on creating some content in the next few days. I’ve been wanting to upload some Alfred Hutton stuff we do for drills and the first and second chases of Ledall.
@@blarpus English longsword has less fully intact sources, however I don't believe that this discredits it. Neither do I believe that the fact that what remains is less technically precise discredits the system of English longsword. The fact that what remains and has been tested in fights has been met with success, says that the system is worth while. It all comes down to personal preference, I train with followers of lichtenhauer, meyer, destreza longsword, as well as eastern sword systems. What works and can be used in a fight is worthwhile.
Perhaps this comment is a bit off-topic but I’d like to thank you for putting in the work and effort running this utmost interesting, down-to-earth and competent CZcams-channel. The best on historical swordsmanship I know of, generously sharing / providing your insights, experiences and hard-earned knowledge over all those years. This is all very helpful and greatly, greatly appreciated - so a big Thank You to Paul Wagner, Stephen Hand all the other gents and ladies involved! Greetings from Germany.
I'm learning English Longsword at the moment, and we effectively only have three texts devoted to the topic, and while I'm sure there's more in a dusty library somewhere, it just needs discovering and expanding on. The main difference I find between English and German/Italian stuff is the subject of "Are hands a valid target?", and I'd answer yes, they are!
Marvelous! Thank you for this.
Thanks for this content, Paul.
Do you think that British sword systems can be generally summed up by saying "Within these principles, please yourself?"
British swords - i am alive I am winning
German Swords - they are alive I am losing.
@@Fenderstat As a student of Liechtenauer's KdF, this made me chuckle heartily.
@@Fenderstat I don't get it
I was coming here expecting to have English guards and remembered I don’t speak the English from 500 years ago.
Ok, I gotta' know where your getting your evidence from!
What fightbooks/manuscripts are you drawing on, I'm learning peter-von-danzig at the moment but would love to move onto some of these techniques once I'm comfortable.
As such, if you could point me in the direction of your sorces/refence materials that would be awsome!
Super interesting video!
is this a quote? as i can not find it in BI or POD. @ 8:19/10:59 'remember that at two hand sword, that you lye in such sort upon your wards that you may both ward, strike and thrust both dubble and single, and then returne to your former wards slyps and lyinge againe and then are you as uoy were before.'
BI Ch12 Pt 6
I'm gonna buy a damn training long sword, can't stand it man, everyday training with a god-damn stick of wood.
Luckily i'll get a job in around 20 days, i've got only 300 hundred bucks and i'm going to go broke if i try to get one now.
A peasant's life, i guess! But soon it shall be no more like this, heheh.
Fucking miserable life, and i'm only 20 years old.
What about Dragon's Tayle?
Dragon's Tayle is not a guard nor a ward. The Ledall Roll explicitly describes it as an action that follows the ward of the pendant.
@@GuildofKnightlyArts & @Stoccata
Do you think that the "long guard" in the center by the breast with the point forth and the one extended out could be what "back foyne and fore foyne" could be refering to (as well as the thrusts)?
I've read other interpretations that the back and fore foyne are simply thrusts on the inside and outside of an opponent's blade, but is there possibility an addtional application to the names here in regards to the Lyings?
EccentricM I don’t think so. The whole bearing the sword up by your breast is questionable at the moment for me. It would obviously be like the Italian Bicorno, however this transcription I’ve been told doesn’t appear in the British Library manuscript only in the later Alfred Hutton transcription. I’ve requested a digital image of the Ledall Roll from the BL but the Covid 19 has delayed my request on their end. Anyways, the fore foyne and back foyne are unrelated to this particular play and appear very often in the chases and counters, as does the Bow foyne. In practically applying the instructions of the Ledall plays we’ve found that it is most sensible to apply these terms as thrusts using either the back or fore edge of the blade.
@@GuildofKnightlyArts I see, thanks for the quick reply. Liking your stuff and research so far, closely watching!
EccentricM thanks! I need to upload more it is just hard to manage a local club and then keep up with a CZcams channel. I will work on creating some content in the next few days. I’ve been wanting to upload some Alfred Hutton stuff we do for drills and the first and second chases of Ledall.
I've never heard of any English two-handed sword manuscripts!? Sources please?
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None worthwhile
@@blarpus They are if your wanting to piece together and learn english long sword.
@@blarpus English longsword has less fully intact sources, however I don't believe that this discredits it. Neither do I believe that the fact that what remains is less technically precise discredits the system of English longsword. The fact that what remains and has been tested in fights has been met with success, says that the system is worth while. It all comes down to personal preference, I train with followers of lichtenhauer, meyer, destreza longsword, as well as eastern sword systems. What works and can be used in a fight is worthwhile.