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I was a backer of the original Kickstarter and I admire the will behind the project. There was a time when I was even interested in investing into their crowd investmant campaign but they found someone who took the whole piece of the cake offered. I do not care not having the originally advertised slide film - P30 and orto is good for me. The promises for backers were plenty and thinned out with every new one to a discount on orders for a (very) limited time. But things are as they are and I'm not angry because I see the efforts scaling down their production into the former developing lab and I really admire that. A lot of knowhow was rescued or newly aquired and I'm really happy with the P30 in 120 which also took a long time to materialise, I still need to shoot the orto but I wish it would be available also in 120. Anyway even if the start was bumpy there is product and what's even more important there is a production that seems to work constantly. No prototypes or experimental but useable film. So I say "Bravo Ferrania, avanti!" (Pardon my Italian)
I sold my iPhone 14 Pro Max. It gives me greater pleasure going out and taking a sunset picture with my dad and his Nikor camera. Dad and son time, plus amazing picture. Cant get that from screen time
Yes, do it!
Yeah go. Those places are special. :)
Very cool to have an update and highlight the important milestones they have reached. The color KS project will keep haunting them (rightfully so) but if they finally get on track to do what they wanted, this a major achievement for them but also the film industry. Having more players offering conversion is a big deal that people don’t realize about.
Yes, please go!
I like the idea of P30 variations, and I 100 percent want to see this color film. I know the Kickstarter has been a millstone, but also I still don't get that people don't understand that Kickstarter isn't a mail order catalog ... But yes, PLEASE visit the factory. I would love to see this and for them to prove some level of transparency. I've shot a lot of the newer stuff (not this matte box version, though) and I'm really starting to get a feel for the contrast and how to best handle it. It's truly a beautiful film.
While they may have over promised with the Kickstarter goals, the fact they were able to make anything in decent numbers should be celebrated.
Agree! Its great to see them keep going.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I will be supporting them in the form of buying P30 in 120. I wasn't aware they were making it until you mentioned it.
I would like to see an "On the ground, field report". I think I remember using their 16mm film many many years ago and really enjoyed it.
Yes please go and see them
Yeahhh! Ferrania tour! 🖤🖤🖤
It would be really cool to have you visit their factory
I would love to see an on-site video from you, I really want to support these smaller manufactures that are trying to make new film products and I would love to see Frerrania succeed
It’s a great news that Ferraria is still alive. Thank you for the update!
Watch Ferrania struggle, was the first time I got a really eye opener to the struggles with bringing a product to market when you don't have the background of doing it, plus, the trouble of not starting from scratch. HOWEVER, I am still keen on Ferrania bring Solaria back cause I fear Fuji will stop Velvia sooner rather than later and probably also, just very sudden.
Already stopped being produced, just master rolls being cut now
@user-ti9zc1xv2b So when was Velvia last manufactured? Because this is now 10 years that this dumb rumor has been circulating. No color film, even 'cryogenically' frozen, stays in perfect spec that long. Perhaps not ironically, I suspect this is a similar reason for all the bitterness towards Ferrania...and why? Because neither of these companies are hyper-engaged on the internet, and don't care to stroke the egos of the uninformed gossiper. I can remember a time when it was sufficient to just make a great product. So I'll leave you to your own devices while I continue to enjoy my freshly manufactured Velvia.
@@TucsonAnalogWorkshop Are you ok dork?
It would be great to see a tour at Ferrania factory. Foma would be awesome as well
Great
Gracias Iñigo!
Since I was a young boy in the early 1960s, I had good experience with Ferrania colorslide 35mm film, and some 100 Ferrania slides are still alive in my slide collection. In between, Ferrania had been distributed by 3M. Today I know Ferrania Orto (orthochromatic b/w 35mm film, 50 ISO) and P30 ('P' for panchromatic, 80 ISO). I'd particularly like to get Ferrania colorslide films again. Thank you v.m. for your post;-)) philosimot
Please go there! 😄
I think a cool film would be a C41 black and white film like XP2. It would allow them to start developing the color film in a simpler form and help fund them. Also a 100 iso c41 black and white film would be dope.
It’s strange that the P33 film would be ISO 400. In the past, the number after the “P” used to be the DIN speed + 10. So P30 has 20 DIN=ISO 80. P33 existed in the past and had 160 ISO (23 DIN). There was also P27, 40 ISO /17 DIN film and some more. A 400 speed panchromatic film by Ferrania should be called P37 by this logic. But anyway, thx for the update!
I could have remembered it wrong. We talked a lot.
If I recall correctly P33 it was 160 ISO, P36 it was 320 ISO and P3 it was 500 ISO. I saw it some years ago when I was researching the old discontinued Ferrania's films.
@@unknownartdivision ah, interesting. I have never heard about P3. So maybe the naming convention was not always the same
I love Ferrania film, their p 30 is excellent and they also make a very good Orto film. I would be very interested in a color film that they would make. Take a trip to Italy.
I don’t care how long it takes and how many hiccups there are. I root for them no matter what. A tiny company that tries making color film all in house. Fuck yeah! Bring it on!!
I know you didn't necessarily intend it to sound bitter, but I wish you had not said Ferrania "failed"/ was a "failure" so much. (I lost count of how many times you said it). I think Ferrania deserve much more credit than that. They are only a "failure" to those who insist Kickstarter is/was a color film pre-purchase site. They are a complete SUCCESS in my eyes, including fulfilling the actual/stated purpose of Kickstarter, which was to save one of the last remaining film factories. And P30 is a gorgeous film stock, perhaps the most beautiful B/W film emulsion currently being manufactured anywhere.
Sometimes I fail to say it, sometimes I fail to say it too many times. I wasnt in the initial crowdfunding but many were and are sad it didn’t go as planned. Im very happy to see them there and mentioned it to them multiple times, sorry if the message didn’t seem optimistic.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I hear you. Not trying to be hard on you, I so very much appreciate your News! I don't know if anyone was sadder than me to be without reversal color movie film after Ektachrome was killed. But in the face of such disappointment, I had to be optimistic. Now we have new Ektachrome and P30, a win win
I understand people were disappointed that they didnt produce color slide film... but they did provide backers with store credit towards p30... right? That seems fair to me... and kickstarter isn't a guarantee . I am glad for the update. I thought solaris was a special film and excited about the prospect of its return in some form. Would be glad if you visited. Glad for the update
Would love to see you visit various actors in the business, including Ferrania
P30 is great. I used it quite a bit. Very dense, great tonality. The only bad batch I had recently was from Rollei branded film RPX100. Unusable with crystals and inclusions in the emulsion. Freestyle replaced the films but I haven't tried them again.
Little good news is better than non.
Exactly.
I was excepting bad news. We've had too many companies go under, I'm happy Ferrania is still kicking.
Just shot my first roll of P30 in medium format and it is pretty amazing. When I hear about a company that has had as much bad luck as Ferrania I assume that bad leadership must be part of the issue, but I want to see them succeed! I want to shoot P30 until I die.
I actually had problems with my 35mm P30. It came under exposed. Maybe it wasn’t developed properly or it was because I used a yellow filter?
Any tips? I have one more film and I want to get it right
Nico, I have a few rolls of Ferrania P30 in the freezer. Helped them out in their first kick starter years ago and would love to see you go to Italy to check them out. Always interested to hear how they are doing and hopefully they will produce a 4x5 film before I leave this earth for an assignment in the heavens.
I hope Ferrania can eventually bring back Solaria some day, would love to see new slide eventually. P30 is awesome but it’d be great to see promises fulfilled long term.
Same I want to try slide from Ferrania hopefully higher ISO than 100 and 400
Yes please Nico, if you could go there and rerport back, it would be great for everybody. They also did talk at some point about making color emulsion ? Asking but having only the P30 available would be neat. I also loved the tonality of this film.
I will try my best to go and visit them.
Thank you as usual@@NicosPhotographyShow
Please do, this could be a really important piece of documentation for the industry. If Ferrania are open about their process and their struggles it could help many current and future operations.
Yep, visit ferrania factory! 💛💙🎞
I have some Ferrania rolls. I have some P30 and one roll of Orto 50 iso. I haven't shot with them but I am excited too. Hopefully they let you tour their plant. I also really do hope they're able to do color as well.
Nico, you’d be a perfect journalist to cover this, if Ferannia has something to show. I’m not interested in debunking them, just gauging their pace of development. Cheers!
The only gripe I have as a backer of their Kickstarter campaign - not enough videos about their "progress". I bought their P30 Alpha rolls, and I found P30 to be a very interesting B&W film stock. Good if they do survive, and I'll keep an eye on the products they're delivering (not what I do need at the moment, but who knows).
YAY! I hope they continue to have success and that you can go inside and share what you see!
Would love to see you cover them in more detail. Now it is just a lot of maybes, ifs and buts.
My feelings too, I want less maybes.
Thank you for the update, which is a significant one. As a film photographer it is hard to not be interested in seeing how this plays out. Whether you travel to the factory or not, I will be staying tuned.
In fairness, they had more troubles and problems with the plant and the like than anyone could have expected, but the P30 is great and if we keep supporting them. I think they can really get things going.
Yes, go to visit, great Negroni in that area 🥃
Thanks for the update on Ferania! I bought a couple rolls of 35MM over two years ago and was a little disappointed. I think you helped me figure out what was wrong: Instead of rating it at 80 ISO, I should have rqated it at 64 ISO. I still have one roll of 35MM left and I'm going to shoot it at 64 ISO. I am hoping to buy some of the 120 Film Stock. I'm basically a B&W Photographer, so the color side of the company is not a disappointment to me. In fact, any activities at Ferania are exciging to me. I hope you will be able to go to Italy and visit them. I would love to see photos or video of your visit!
64 ISO, no its sensitivity is lower than that. 80 to 64 ISO is not even a half stop difference, pretty negligible. I shot a roll pulled back at 40 ISO, and I think contrasts and dark areas look OK (discrepancies of exposures put aside). Some say the real sensitivity is even lower.
I would purchase their film if it became available .Good news indeed ,thanks for the update Nico .Jeff NYC
Welcome to Italy 😂😂😂
I just bought my first reel of p30, it looks great! I am hoping my results are similar to what I have seen online as I am hoping to use it for landscapes where before I would have used tmax, ofc this can only really replace tmax for day landscapes because of the iso difference. Fingers crossed for a 400 iso film so I can support them more and then one day they get back to c41
I would love to see you take a trip out there!
Primo!
I would say make the trip if Ferrania can guarantee to be able to show you color stock being made....I've got enough B&W stock in the fridge to last a long time...give ,me some 120 color film and I am your pal.
I think it would be interesting to see your trip to visit Ferrania if you’re invited to document
I like the P30. But the quality of the early batches was not good. Two of my early P30 rolls snapped out of the canisters. Recent rolls are much better. I rate the P30 at ISO 50, and it worked pretty well. I look forward to their new stuff.
I have never tried Ferrania so far, first of all, because Fotoimpex does not carry it and that's like the place where I most of the time I buy stuff. I have been looking at P30 120 recently, but it seems to be sold out everywhere.
I wonder if they simply can not keep up with demand by producing film as much as they are capable of or that they make a batch this week, the next batch in 7 weeks, than one in 3 weeks, then it takes 3,5 month to finish the next one.
Wondering if they will manage the device colour film one day. From Adox and their Helios I haven't heard anything since the analogue meet up in Frankfurt a/M last year.
I am fairly new into proper film photography, I’ve been shooting it for years alongside digital but on a very surface level. My trusted mz-m breaking made me do more research and now I have switched fully. One of the things that I notice and bugs me is how many films say they are x iso but need overexposure by a stop or something, I though iso was an international standard, so how does it work that you have iso X but have to over expose a stop, surely thats just makes it iso 1/2X?!!
I hoe you will be able to go. I agree with your outlook for such companies today, respecting in-house capabilities. One never knows what will happen to other companies, because the world is in such turmoil right now, and European countries are being hit very hard. It's a heck of a time for any manufacturing company, let alone a start-up.
Nico : I have a brick of the Alpha P30 , 80 ISO , I would like to see a color film brought out , to give us all an alternative to the vanishing FUJI stocks , I have hundreds of dollars in film to develop .. and a Filmomat , would be a blessing. I shoot 4x5 / 120 / and 35
too bad there is no S8, 16mm or 35mm motion picture film yet, I certainly would have tried the 16mm or S8.
Also I didn't know that Kodak photography film and motion picture film are two separate companies. the motion pictures branch actually gives a discount for students while the picture branch does not.
As an original backer and supporter I’d be super keen for you to visit and report back. More to the point some thoughts on the issues with ORWO .
I'm very curious about Ferrania, have seen many images made with their films and found them to be very interesting. Unfortunately I never managed to find a roll here in Brazil. Since import taxes here nowadays are on the high side, my curiosity still remains... I hope they manage to survive and grow a bit and their films become available here.
If you can visit them it'd certainly be a very interesting video! Hope so
I also hope that Ferrania will do it. With Orwo, at least we get some iterations of the film coming to market. This keeps them "in the market". With Ferrania, I have not heard anything from them since 2018(?) until this video. Fingers crossed
ORWO are most certainly not ‘in the market’ I’m afraid. Filmotec is being liquidated.
I have new emulsions that I got at the fair, didnt seem they are going anywhere. With the liquidation it seems they are restructuring, not closing. But time will tell. Orwo will be my next video.
@@NicosPhotographyShow wasn't the "liquidation" last year? Or have I missed something? And as you said, a "liquidation" in Germany does not always have to mean "finished forever" but it can also be a means to restructure.
@@thomasa.243 i have been told they are still in “bankruptcy status” but working and coating…
@@NicosPhotographyShow Yep, the process takes a minimum of 3 years. That is pretty normal. As you can see, their CEO is an advocate who has already done some successful bankruptcies. If they are not closing fully (which they have not), it indicates that success is seen. We shall see what the future will bring...
Film cannisters have Q3 codes. My P30 and Orto, both shiney boxes, lead to different unique production codes, but also both data said Orto. And both had a production date om 01/01/1980, but I think that is not right.
Solaris was an okay color film but nothing comes close to Ferraniacolor and if they bring this one back, they also need to bring the chemicals back, needed to develop the film. It's not compatible with any currently used process. I miss the look of Ferraniacolor, it comes close to Kodachrome. The sharpness, the striking colors. Nothing can beat that, not even Kodak Ektachrome E100.
I used Ferrania P30 once and it was a disappointment. The film came out under exposed. Maybe the development wasn’t done properly or I made the mistake to use a Yellow filter.
I have another film. Any tips? Thanks 🙏🏼
Maybe it was the Yellow filter, I used both format (35mm and 120) and had great results! High quality film with very small small grain (and of course very very contrast)
Me encantaría que hicieses una visita por tierras italianas y así mostrarnos lo que tienen allí montado.
As a motion shooter I’ve been continuously let down by this company. As an original backer for 16mm reversal I was never able to convert my backing amount despite numerous attempts to any sort of store credit and gave up. They’ve been present at many events over the last several years but then come the very long periods of silence. I recently received an email as a backer letting me know that the US-based company who managed the crowd funding campaign no longer exists- basically absolving them of any sort of legal liability towards backers. I think they’re optimists but if they’re really capable of slitting and perfing motion stock I don’t get why they don’t pick up the market Filmotec/ORWO all-out abandoned 3 years ago and at least do P30 in ANY motion format. The motion shooters were the most motivated to back them after the discontinuation of Kodak color reversal in 2012 (at least Fuji still existed for stills shooters back then). Churning out some B&W 35 still every few years is hardly any consolation to the people who genuinely wanted them to succeed from day 1
Speaking of struggling film manufacturers, it looks to me, at least from a USA viewpoint, that Bergger may be on the way out. Stores still list it as backordered, but it's been that way for at least three years. Also, Adox products are being de-listed; no one has CHS 100 II anymore, or they have it as a clearance item, except for some leftover 3.25x4.25 sheets, and B&H in NYC shows CMS 20 II 4x5 as discontinued. You could say that, like Ferrania, these are both resurrected brands; are they all failing? Or are they doing well, but only in Europe?
@@nathanpiperphoto Bergger is a French Company and I don't know who owns it; as far as I know, Adox is owned by Fotoimpex in Berlin. No relation.
I misread your comment, my bad@@jganun
I think Adox is doing okay. Fotoimpex just renovated their store.
I occasionally buy HR50 but the chemical are the cool thing about adox. After Kodak sold their chemical department, Adox starter releasing improved clones of Xtol and D76.
I couldn't buy the 5l Xt-3(Xtol) because the demand is so high.
BW film is pretty safe. The concerning thing is that only legacy brands achieve 400ASA.
After being stung by their Kickstarter many years ago, I would not touch their products with a very long bargepole.
"Stung"? I mean it was really, really clear (to me) that the money was for saving the factory, which they did. (I was an original supporter like you). They were totally transparent and engaged up until a few years ago when they basically ceased having an internet presence, I suspect from being exhausted by dealing with comments like yours. Kickstarter was not/never claimed to be/ a pre-order site for color film. P30 is gorgeous by the way. One of my favorite all time B/W films
@@TucsonAnalogWorkshopi agree with you. P30 is wonderful
plz, plz go
i shot new p30 in 35mm and ferrania orto and I love them
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