Sainsmart Genmitsu PROVerXL 4030 CNC Router Build, Test & Review
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- In this video I build and test the Sainsmart Genmitsu PROVerXL 4030 CNC Router.
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00:00 Introduction
00:22 Sainsmart PROVer 3018 comparison
00:25 Parts
02:47 Build
09:09 Connect control box
10:00 USB driver install
10:13 Device manager
10:19 Candle install
10:36 Configure com port
10:56 Alarm unlock
11:00 Home
11:14 Jog keys
11:28 Step size
11:33 Feed rate
12:04 Probe target
12:19 Probe script
12:43 Probe
13:05 Clamps
13:17 Zero XY
13:31 Wheel example
14:02 Sainsmart example
14:41 Paxolin
15:00 12345 example
15:27 Easel
15:40 Work area
15:47 Safety height
15:51 Material
15:56 Dimensions
16:06 Bit
16:15 cut settings
16:23 Import image
16:37 Smoothing
16:38 Trace outlines
16:43 Cut settings
16:53 Shape size
17:05 Simulate job
17:11 Rename project
17:19 Export gcode
17:27 Open gcode in Candle
17:35 Spoil board
17:41 Attach mdf with tape
17:57 Install bit
18:29 Carve tree
19:12 Surfacing the spoil board
20:28 Tape and Glue
20:54 Engraving acrylic
21:19 Cutting acrylic
21:53 Cut wood base top
22:46 Cut acrylic base middle
23:35 Cut wood base bottom
24:04 Solder led strip
24:12 Headphones led edge light
24:19 Conclusion
24:50 Dewalt DWP611 Router
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Great information. Straight to the point. No unnecessary talk. No stupid music. Very well done. Thanks.
I bought the smaller Prover after watching your other video. Looks like I’ll be returning it! Thanks for the thorough information.
I built an MPCNC and now have whetted my appetite for CNC and want to go bigger. I can't decide if I want to build a big one myself or buy one. It's very exciting to seen an "affordable" CNC like this. I hope this is a trend that continues and CNC becomes a lot more affordable, like 3D printing. Thank you for reviewing this.
Thanks I was try so hard to set up still lot of things new to me (first time cnc and computer dummy )but Thanks to you make me udder stand more and better, I am so happy, I am try to make small silver nameplate, wish me good luck.
Nice overall build of the new Sainsmart PROVerXL. Thank you!!
Great video. Really comprehensive - thanks. I ran a cheap Chinese Tonsen III 3020 for a while and then built a large format OX variant, which I later sold. Since the OX, I'm a bit wary of CNC routers that use plastic track wheels on extrusion, but I like the idea of combining them with leadscrews rather than belts. I'll put this on the shortlist to research.
Superb video! The quality production value is only exceeded by the excellent informational content. You really performed a public service on this one, sir. Many thanks!
I am just getting into this cnc stuff and saw this machine online and liked how it is basically plug and play. Building one was a very overwhelming thought. I want to make small aluminum parts for r/c cars and wood projects for my wife. Thanks for this tutorial, helped out a lot.
Glad I could help
Decent machine and great review 👍🏻 I was planning on building my own CNC but now I'm considering getting this.
that headphone thingy looks awesome!
Looks like a great bit of kit. Well explained and demonstrated. Thks.
Excellent video. I am really impressed with your camera work and scripting. Thank you!
Thank you too!
Excellent tutorial. Helped me understand the process hugely, thanks.
Excellent , clear video, well produced. The machine is great. Might be a little out of my price range unfortunately so I'll press on with my mpcnc (1mx1m) but I must admit I'm tempted.
Great video, very nice attention to every aspect, thank you.
Thanks for the excellent review, machine seems nice too
well damn! Iz is impressed by both the machine and the appraisal - thanks 🙂
I really enjoy your content, please keep up the good work.
Just ordered one ! Great review and run-through 👍
Very well done and to the point. It helped me in my decision to purchase my first CNC.
I don't normally sign in to CZcams, I prefer to stay anonymous to their algorithms ... but I logged in for you, to give you a thumbs up and to tell you I thinking this is one of the best, if not the best video I have seen of unboxing, assembling and testing a product! Bravo, much respect! That you for not sounding like the Sham-Wow guy, not blasting me out with Ozzy Osbourne and for not feeling it necessary to incessantly talk!
Thanks
That was one of the best videos I have seen I have no experience with CNC but I am retired bricklayer and enjoy my time in a little workshop I have built I like to do cutting-boards type-work and pattered plywood the cutting board are sometimes end grain and also mostly made from hardwood.
And if I can I would like to reproduce some pictures onto the wood, photograph is my main hobby I realise this is probably not possible on this machine and I am thinking of a 60-40 size is in your opinion doable with a £2000 budget it is not for commercial use but if I was asked then I would most likely give it a go, I am a widower now almost 3 year and I just need to keep my mind in a construction state any advice you can supply would be very much appreciate
Regards
Colin Fursman
I got my brand new Sanitsmart genmitsu 4030 provenXL fully set up after 2 days of tinkering with it, I have been able to test one free g-code that came with the package, it worked ok on cardboard . Then I got busy learning carveco as a mean of importing my ready made DFX files using Soldworks and 2D design which seems now a waste of time given that Carveco does not generate g-codes for the Gbrl candle controller. Easel does afetr seeing your clip one more time- I have been watching several tutorials from various users. There is quite a bit of learning involved in all cAD CAM things but I wished Sainsamrt was a bit more strightforward on the path to follow from byuing the machine to carve something with it ; I will give Easel a go and will see. Thanks for the clip just subscribed.
Your channel has the best reviews when it comes to CNC's. Thank you ! Subscribed. What would be the most precise Cnc when it comes to pcb milling ?
this is the type of videos I love to watch, full instruction build in detail with patience explaining great video! will you be trying to carve aluminum or metal soon?
Yes I will
They all do metal, the real question is what precautions and preparations metal cutting needs. Coolant? Lubricant? Is purging by air sufficient? Feed rate? End mill type? etc pp. My rebuilt „looks somewhat like a 1810“ late-90s mill cuts aluminium (lost z control and cut into the baseplate....). The tricky thing is how to make clean cuts and how to make them at reasonable speeds.
@@wernerviehhauser94 super useful info. Thanks! I've heard rigidity can be a major factor. Any thoughts on this for these budged machines?
Thanks for the excellent review!
Thanks
Very concise and informative
Great review thanks
If I were to build this, I would have assumed the openings in the Y stepper brackets would go towards the back, away from the bed. That should reduce the amount of chips and stuff getting in there, and give more room for your hands.
Thank you for doing a "quiet" build with no music. Pace could be faster, but thats only because I am watching it, not building it... if I was building one this would be a nice "quickguide".
Great video - thank you for that!!!
Very comprehensive demonstration...
Another excellent video. This looks like a very nice and well thought out kit. As a 3018 owner, it is tempting to step up in size to this 4030. But I feel like now matter what size I have, I will always want the next size up.
The harmonics on the steppers is interesting. On my 3018, I don’t get that when using Easel or UGS but I do when using Lightburn with a laser. Not sure why that is.
Hey, how do you like the 3018 from Sainsmart? I'm considering buying this XL, but unsure of others' experiences.
@@donuts_are_good I have a generic Chinese 3018 which has been fun to learn the basics of CNC with. It only costs about $150 on eBay including a laser module. The Sanismart kit is nicer but also cost more. Sorry I can’t offer direct feedback to your question.
Content isss cool. Keep up with solid work :DD ..
Great video really informative thank you . Can I ask what feed rate did you use to surface the board and what depth per pass ...
I just got their 3018... assuming I like it and find the size limiting I think I'll get the big brother next :) thanks for the video
Proposal for installation sequence: I'd tighten up the screws of the stepper mount completely only once the clutches are tightened the manual test ride of the lead spindle is done.
Allows the motor to settle in its aligned position.
Wow, what a great video !
Great video thank you. Helped me immensely when I built mine. I wonder if anyone has found a way to lock the steppers. The usual $1=255 doesn't seem to work here. Thanks
Thanks for this video..great!!
Beautifully done build video, with a bonus project to show it works well! It looked like the feed rates you used were really slow. You may get much less melting of acrylic by just moving faster, and cutting bigger chips. What was the limitation there? Fear of breaking a bit? Spindle stalling? I would love to see some measurements of how this CNC device performed in your hands, such as the repeatability/precision on each axis, max feed rates through various materials, and flex of the gantry under load.
Only quarter inch bit.
Fantastic video. I'm going to take the plunge and get one too
Have fun!
Excellent and useful video... many thanks. Liked and Subscribed.
Many thanks. Great presentation.
Nice bit of kit.
THANKS, very nice video, so i will start my setup, THX from Berlin.
Very nice video. When doing the the spoil board did you create a file in Easel that was the size of the spoil board?
Excellent video! Thanks for providing one of the first introductions on this new machine. I see you were using Extruded Acrylic instead of Cast and somehow you did not get any melting during the cutting pass if any. Would be please share the feed rates and settings you used for cutting that I could replicate on my cnc. I have tried so hard but just can't get the right combination of settings. Looking forward to seeing new videos as you begin using this new machine..
Single flute 1/8" end mill
635 mm/mn feed rate
228 mm/min plunge rate
0.5mm depth per pass
I think the reason it worked was the single flute end mill.
You want to cut big chips and move fairly fast.
Much easier to get cast acrylic though.
@@techydiy Thank you so much for sharing the details, I will give it a try on an old mpcnc that I aquired from someone a few months ago. I have been wanting to get the cnc 3018 but the workarea it is too small, I would prefer to have at least 30cm x 30cm workarea but the new 4030 looks quite compeling. What sort of speed did you have set for the spindle? I am using a Dremel replica (not the best spindles but it does work fine with wood) and I run mine at its maximum which is supposed to be 35k rpm but I have not measured it. I have been suspicious, may be my melt problems are being cause by running the spindle at such a high speed.
@@MP-mu1kw Something like 10k. You really want to slow that way down and/or increase the feedrate, otherwise your making plastic dust
@@techydiy You are spot on, because the spindle was too fast. It was making plastic dust which stuck to the endmill because it was heating up. I even tried spraying ice cold water on the bit but once the blob of plastic build up on the endmill you can't do much. I have something to go on and will give it a try and report back. Thanks!!
@@erikdaigle9212 Thank you for your reply. I was using a no name 1/8 inch single flute and the software I was using is CNCjs. I don't have access to a CNC at the moment but currently looking at building a custom size something like 600mm x 600mm using 3d parts. I will keep in mind the tips you have provided and will leave a comment again as soon as I am back cnc...ing.
Looks good, but since the price tag of 850 to 1000 bucks is in the range of other 300x400 cnc mills, how much better is this one?
Very nice! thanks
Great review as always !! Can you please share feed rates and depth per cut on wood ? Iam still using a 3018 and I would like to see if I can cut faster with the prover ! Thank you
Thank for the great walk through. Was wondering how this compares to say a Shapeoko 3?
This CNC machine costs $170.00 less than Shapeoko 3.
Thank you 👍.
I Loves ❣️❤️💟💓😊
Just clicked link, Which worked. for the size of the bed, would be worth paying a little extra for it
Is there another link for the item. I can't get it to open.
Linda parabéns
Nice Review thanks
Will it be possible to exchange the lead screws with ball screws?
thanks for the video. it helped me alot to assemble mine. question: my cutting area seems to be off. the spindle goes down the Y axis way too low. it goes below the waisteboard. is there a way to set the cutting surface so the machine never goes off the waisteboard?
You could move the end stop further in to limit the travel. It a small angle metal piece held with two screws. Just inside the dust shield.
Thank you for a great overview video. Just got mine built. Mine seems extremely noisy when I manually move the spindle front to back. I expect it be noisier because of the 2 motors. Do you find yours to be loud? I saw another review where he built a sound proof box. Also saw a poster below saying his was loud. Should I be concerned about the noise level coming from the machine?
Its about the same as every other CNC I have used. Nowhere near as noisy as my shop vac, table saw etc.
Excellent
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Thanks for the video. I think this is the machine I should go for. In your opinion would the gantry manage a 1.5kw spindle.
I reckon so. I am going to do the same.
Are these available for Australia? I notice they do not ship to here, everywhere else on the planet, but not Australia.
So, 5 months in, are you still happy with this machine and it's capabilities?
I've narrowed my considerations down to this one and the Shapeoko.
Thank you kindly !
Yes, its solid.
very good!!!!!!!!!
So I was wondering if you moved the spindle mont further down the z mounting plate. The bottom of my z axis and the reach of the spindle are going to be and issue if I try too deep of a pocket.
Great video by the way. Very clear.
Thank you
/\/\ike.
That was a really good video and to be fair i would expect the machine to go together as well as it did, Their attention to detail is excellent and everything is labelled as I discovered when I purchased the MX· Mach ·3 machine, went together just as well and manual was great and worked right out of the box, bit more work than this one though in assembly. The only fault I can see is no PWM on the spindle. I also didnt see the option of a laser input so i assume they will use the spindle and use the speed knob as a Laser power control?
My question. Do you think its worth the money???
It fills a gap and comes in under the pricing of similar or slightly larger machines, that cost an awful lot more, but i think its still a little pricey, It comes with a lot but some of the kit looks a little "rough" in places, the end stop areas, baffles over anodised or painted steel? I like the upgrade options having looked at the website as well.
I spent over 1500 gbp on my 1m by .75 cm1.5 KW water cooled lead machine ( which i dont regret) but that is a openbuilds heavy duty system, had this been out before i went for it I may have been tempted ( becuase of the Sainsmart name and previous experience of their machine) as I dont really need the bed size but got it as it would be easier to sell than a smaller machine. I'm still tempted though as it fits on a desk and would be great on my inside workshop for the sort of job you were showing. Its nice.
Great video as usual, thanks. your CNC skills are very good, can I assume an engineer here?
Yes I think it's worth the money. It has a laser output with pwm. The size upgrades will give it a wider appeal. Yes I am an engineer but this stuff is just for my own amusement
What were the feed rates for cutting the MDF?
Very well made and helpful video! Can the Y axis rails be installed so that the C opens to the outside, where they are less likely to collect dust?
The answer is no, the y axis rails can't be just turned around. Not without shortening the X axis.
What Setup used for cutting the acrylic (motor speed, X&Y feed rate, Z feed Rate, Step depth)
I just finished building my 4030. It was not that difficult, thanks to this video. I am a complete cnc noob but was able to complete the build in half a day. One thing confuses me though. When I do the homing cycle, it completes the sequence but when it stops, the machine coordinates read -3,-3,-3 instead of 0,0,0. Is there a preconfigured setting in grbl that makes the axes move back 3mm when it reaches the home position?
$27 - Homing pull-off, mm
github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#27---homing-pull-off-mm
How does compare performance-wise to the FoxAlien 4040 (other than the work area)?
What "Deep per Pass" you use with the engraving bits?
hi, great video, would it be possible to config the technical part/software
of this system to a larger table/frame?
So when I buy this pack and enlarge the frame myself?
Thanks in advance.
Yes, it will probably work without any config changes, unless you enable soft limits, in which case those settings will need to be updated with the new sizes. If you change the leadscrews then the steps per mm settings might need recalibrating but none of this is difficult.
The machine costs around 1000$, [correction] (with all the import taxes on it) import taxes are promised to be handled by the manufacturer, working area is not that big and the rollers on the C-beam giving its precision will be disappointing on the long term. Lead screws are only trapezoidal, will definitely cut wood, but for my wood projects is too small, for the metal jobs too inaccurate.
Nice!!
Excellent video, thanks.
Some questions if I may please:
Is the 110mm height from the bottom of the spindle to the top of the spoiler board?
When cutting, is the spindle quieter than the 3018 machine? (I am thinking larger spindle = less vibration = less noise)
My 3018 vibrates quite bad with a 1/4" bit. Can this handle a 1/4" bit with less vibration?
I would love to see a 400 x 600 version of this. Do you think that this would be possible?
Thank you.
It's 110mm from the bottom of the er11 collet to the top of the spoil board. I think the spindle is quieter. It's capable of a greater feedrate, so that increases the noise level a bit for a shorter duration. I guess they will release a 6040 version or upgrade kit, I think it just needs longer c beams and leadscrews.
@@techydiy thank you
excellent video
Prince of machine
So basically a smaller sized Ox cnc. I like how they joined all electronics and powerbox in one box tho. Even openbuilds.com still have their powerbox and blackbox module separated.
I would very much like to see what this could do with an optional powerful router.
Hi Nigel,
after your video I have now purchased the router and your video has helped me a lot with the setup and commissioning. Thank you very much for that!!! If I may ask one more question: What depth did you set for engraving acrylic in your headphone project? I would love to try something similar. Thanks in advance for a quick info.
I can't remember. Best to try it on some scrap first. Probably try 0.3mm / 0.01" to start
I felt this was a great video, and they toke their time with the video I must believe their product must be the same.
This is great, how do i other this from your website? I need a reply asap..
Is there a laser module available for this cnc model?
I just ordered a 4030. How do these machines react to collisions? what do they detect collisions & storp before breaking something. Also, Can you set your home position to the left rear corner instead of the right rear? I used to calibrate CMM machines & used to left rear Home. Thanks - love the info - your vid was one reason I bouth the 3040.
It doesn't have collision detection, other than limit switches..
github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#23---homing-dir-invert-mask
Type $23=1 into the command console to invert the x axis homing direction.
Fantastic video. Helped me so much. However, I went into easel I made my design I followed all the instructions. And when I use my file in the cut software. The spindle does not turn on, and it doesn’t know the depth it’s supposed to cut. Does anybody have any suggestions?
In the easel settings set the spindle control to automatic. Then set the spindle speed with the speed control knob on the controller. The depth of cut is set in the easel design.
@@techydiy that was it. Thank you!!!
I´m working with machine now for several months and the machine works ok. For more diffcult projects (e.g. hard wood) you have to change the spindle, e.g. using the Dewalt or Makita router (bracket already included). There were some issues using the machine with the PC and local controller connected at the same time, so you have to decide for a job using the one or the other, otherwise the machine makes "funny" decisions. I still trying to discover all the posibilites that come with the machine.
Yes true, you can't connect the standalone controller and a pc at the same time, the serial connections interfere with each other.
Wow, such a comprehensive video. You could sell this content. Is this a professional machine? Or a hobby machine?
Would you consider the size of the work area to be of an adequate size? My worry is that with a starter machine the area is quite small and would need to upgrade quite soon after buying
It really depends what you want to do with it. You can tile designs in the Y direction, which is essentially unlimited. Mine is upgraded to 6060 but it takes up a large amount of space, so I will probably change it back to a 6040
I too say GREAT Video. Question, have you any videos on the Genmitsu 24” x 24” (600 x 600mm) XY-Axis Extension Upgraded Accessories Kit? If so, do you have the link? Last question, do you offer a video on using the software?
IDK if this by design but the C beam should be the other way around to avoid debris
So techydiy, would it be possible to turn the left and right c-beam 180° like Gamex996 suggested?
Thanks for this. It was a big help setting up my new machine. I have a question about connecting it to Easel. Can you tell me what settings I should be using? I can't make mine connect. It does run fine with Candle. so I don't think it's the computer or the port. Thanks!
I cant remember what you had to do to directly connect easel, possibly an easel driver install was part of it.
In my experience, if you connect direct to easel it messed up the grbl settings (they might have changed that though), so I would advise that you just export from easel and then use a gcode sender like candle, UGS etc.
@@techydiy Thanks very much! I actually stumbled onto the fix - manually setting the COM port. I've got pattern fidelity issues now, but at least I'm cutting!
Well done video. I just completed my 4030 assembly with some minor issues but all in all everything
Went together very well. I have a confusing thing with the operation of the machine though. The software seems to freeze up after the Y- limit switch is hit. I have to resets and re-do the home position command over again to get things back to normal where I can jog again. As long as I keep from hitting that Y- limit switch everything else seems to work just fine. Any idea what I am doing wrong? Thanks.
It's doing what its supposed to do. You can setup soft limits but with a bit of practice you probably wont need them.
Excerpt below from: github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration
$21 - Hard limits, boolean
Hard limit work basically the same as soft limits, but use physical switches instead. Basically you wire up some switches (mechanical, magnetic, or optical) near the end of travel of each axes, or where ever you feel that there might be trouble if your program moves too far to where it shouldn't. When the switch triggers, it will immediately halt all motion, shutdown the coolant and spindle (if connected), and go into alarm mode, which forces you to check your machine and reset everything.
Keep in mind, that a hard limit event is considered to be critical event, where steppers immediately stop and will have likely have lost steps. Grbl doesn't have any feedback on position, so it can't guarantee it has any idea where it is. So, if a hard limit is triggered, Grbl will go into an infinite loop ALARM mode, giving you a chance to check your machine and forcing you to reset Grbl. Remember it's a purely a safety feature.
@@techydiy Great! Thank you so much.
@@techydiy Oh..forgot to ask; what is the proper sequence to recover from the y- stop issue?
Can it do metal?
I just purchased one of these based on your very well done review. Is there a specific version of Grbl that needs to be downloaded to work with this product?
You don't need to download grbl. You will need s gcode sender like candle or ugs. The machine comes with candle.
@@techydiy Thanks! I realized after rewatching your excellent review that you said it came with it, not that there was a need to download it. Sorry for my confusion.
Gonna buy it to couple with my laser
Hello, thank you for this tutorial. Where did you find the picture of the tree please?
Search for "Tree of life" online, there are lots of images
Did you add all the labelling or was everything already labelled up?
Already labelled
At the 4:07 mark you show mounting the spoil board toward the stepper motors side. Was this a mistake or were you going to turn the gantry to run that way?
It looks like it was a mistake, I probably forgot that I had the machine back to front.
did you try this on any aluminum or steel with the current spindle? or do you think it will need an upgraded motor to handle metals?
It's fine for aluminium, not for steel.