One thing to point out about recording the S5 with the Video Assist is that when using BRAW, the only stabilization available is the IBIS (no e-stabilization or Boost IS available). Same with ProRes, unless you change the HDMI output from 12 bit RAW to 10 bit 422, then you get access to every digital features of the camera. May be obvious for some people, but maybe not for those who aren't very familiar with RAW images. Even though you don't get 5.9K with ProRes, it is still a VERY good option to choose instead of BRAW, since the e-stabilization and Boost IS options are truly AMAZING! Yes, it crops in a little bit (not as much as APS-C mode), but you still end up with a 4K image (since this is a 6K sensor), so just back up to get the same framing, and you're all good. It's truly worth it for shooting handheld. So, I'd use BRAW 5.9K for tripod shots and when using any kind of stabilizer, and i'd use ProRes HQ for handheld shots, since I find the digital stabilizing options in the S5 better than stabilizing in post
can you record ProRes internally? What if I'm working with Davinci Resolve and not Premiere Pro? Then I would still like to get (B)RAW. Is there any option to access (B)RAW and better stabilisation both simultaneously without getting a gimbal?
@@maltsday Not sure I understand your questions man… You can not get ProRes or BRAW without the Video Assist 12G (you can not get that internally). With BRAW, since it’s RAW, you won’t have access to any electronic stabilization (only IBIS, which is a mecanical stabilization). However, with ProRes you can access every stabilization mode, just like with the S5’s internal codecs.
@@davidmultimedia2024 So what you're saying is that I can shoot 4K 24p full-frame using ProRes 422 via Ninja V/ Video Assist 12G? If yes then I'm getting an external recorder RIGHT NOW!
Glad to help! It is definitely the best value for the money right now in my opinion. The Sigma FP has some fun comparisons too, but doesn't have IBIS so it was a 'no go' for me...at least right now.
Thanks for the video! Would love to see some footage comparisons, mainly - BRAW from S5 vs Pocket 6K BRAW, Dynamic range comparison (Highlight recovery, rolloff, shadow noise, banding etc), and details in high-detail footage such as foliage - maybe a comparison of internal highest S5 10 bit 422 codec versus the BRAW at Q0 / 3:1. I do understand that this is more of a wish-list, but have been looking to find a reliable video that can give a definitive answer for the level of upgrade in quality from S5 internal to S5 BRAW :)
This was a great video! Plan on using S5 with the BM Video Assist and wanted to get some more information before purchasing it. Your video helped me make up my mind. And I just subscribed with hopes of seeing your methods of color grading the BMRAW S5 footage in Resolve. Keep up the great work!!
Let me know how much this video might help with understanding color grading differences for the video assist, it should give a good start - czcams.com/video/4NNOYugF7HM/video.html
@@charlesn just watched it and I have even more stuff to try. I knew you could drop luts in the vid assist but I thought it was for guidance 🤣 I didn't realize there were that many ways to save from the vid assist when using braw. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing this but, if i read the title, where's the cinematic shot?why don't go out and shoot? Or maybe a couple of images taken on a gig paid. Don't understand.
This combo is put together for a short film I’m currently filming, but don’t have out yet. You’ll see footage from it soon. The video is more about the capabilities of the set (S5 + Video Assist) rather than my skills as a cinematographer.
Nice video, Charles! Just an fyi, turning off sound improves latency so if you don't need sound for b-roll and want to improve the latency, you can turn off sound.
The highest frame rates for RAW are 5.9k @30 fps and 4k @60 fps, but the 4k comes with the APS-C crop and is technically C4k (4128x2176) so you get the 17:9 bars.
I use the Ninja 5 with the S5. The image is poetry. 5.9k RAW Prores 12 bit FULL FRAME!!! I got an open box deal on the S5 for 1,400 bucks. The Ninja was 400. I just shot a feature and it looks dynamite.
The Ninja is fantastic. I just picked up one too. Most of my editing is in Davinci so ProRes doesn't help right now as it requires me to convert it before importing. That being said, I think ProRes RAW gives you the best RAW image out of the S5 sensor.
@@charlesn Da vinci is pretty great, Really sad there is no compatibility for RAW. Still, the Ninja is an incredible tool in any case. I only use RAW on premium projects. It is overkill in most cases and the Prores 422 is fine. But, as you will know, you can always rent Adobe Premier month by month if you need RAW, that is what I do. Happy shooting, brother.
Thanks for this guide. super useful. have you found anyway to stop the S5 from hunting focus, in Autofocus-S mode? As the S5 itself isn't recording, its keeps changing focus, even when the video assist is in record. cheers
After you plug in and turn on your Atem Mini... Select the Gear Icon > 5th icon down, "Monitor/Display (Video)" > V-Log View Assist > (1) LUT Select [select 'Vlog_709']...then (2) LUT View Assist (HDMI) [select "ON"] - you should see the LUT applied wherever the HDMI signal is being sent to. I plugged in an Andycine 4K to test and the monitor needed plugged in and turned on before the "LUT View Assist" option would allow me to change it to "ON." Hope this helps!
I triad to get this working yesterday. But without success. I hooked up the HDMI to the Atem mini before I started the video assist and before turning on the display lut. I must be doning something wrong still.
@@DrHansBrewery did it give you the option to turn the LUT on? If not, you might set it up while plugged directly into the Video Assist, then save to a custom settings...then plug it into the Atem Mini
Thank you for this informative video. What is the right way to be in photography mode on the camera and click images and also use the monitor just as a larger viewer?
If you select M for manual for photos, the HDMI output will automatically output but you will need to select either Pro Res or DnX file formats on the Video Assist. The image outputs 1080p at 60 fps, so it isn't a super high definition image sadly. I'll experiment more and see if there are any other settings for a better HDMI output in photography modes.
@@charlesn Thank you. Appreciate you responding to this. I did end up doing this and was hoping for a better output on the assist. If you do find alternatives, would love to know.
I'm gonna pick this badboy up I think. Question, is there a way to put the Gen5 Blackmagic color science LUT on at any point (like baked in LUT) or is that something you'd need to do after in daVinci?
It has the typical 709 LUT in the Video Assist. Gen 5 is definitely an option in Davinci: Color Tab > Camera RAW > Decode Using > Select "Clip" > Color Science > Select "Gen 5"
Hello Charles, I recently purchased the Blackmagic 6K Pro and the Panasonic S5IIX. When recording B-Raw with the S5IIX, Is it challenging to match the footage with the Blackmagic 6K Pro footage?
I think it’s pretty easy to match and provide some options in this video czcams.com/video/4NNOYugF7HM/video.html - Blackmagic did update their white balance issue so you can ignore those comments in that video. The white balance tracks much closer now.
Just bought Video assist and I'm a bit disappointed. There is no DCI 4K in 60 fps. My ninja v has it. Also scopes are not very functional. On ninja you can monitor in 709 or in hdr.. on the assist the is no such a thing. The menus on ninja are clearly laid out. You pick the camera then vlog or hlg or prores raw. You can also record in different gamma like DCI p3. Ninja I think is much better option if you planning to shoot in prores 422 or hlg. Braw is the only advantage for video assist. And considering the price of ninja, ninja is a better option....
I definitely agree that the Ninja is what you need for ProRes and that is the true divider for most of us. I personally shoot in BRAW so the Video Assist makes sense for my work flow. If I ever step into ProRes for delivery then I'll add the Ninja V. I personally love the scopes in the video assist, but only you know your preferences for sure. Thanks for sharing your experience with the Ninja V!
Have you noticed that the video assist applies false color on the v-log input feed? How is that supposedto work correctly when false color only has any meaning after colorspace conversion to rec.709?
I haven't noticed any false color on the vlog input feed. I just make sure to turn the S5 HDMI output to off if I'm recording to ProRes: Menu > Gear Icon > IN/OUT (5th down) > HDMI Rec Output > Info Display > Select "OFF". Otherwise, if you are running 10 bit RAW (Camera > Image Format 2 (4th down) > HDMI RAW Data Output > Select "ON") the Info display is automatically selected to off, so it won't add the chance of false color in the BRAW file.
@@charlesn I mean if you toggle the s5 to raw output (for braw recording) it automativally goes to v-log, and then if you toggle on fakse color on the video assist, it does it on the vlog, so the skin color and neutral grey levels are off. If you apply a v-log to rec 709 lut on the cideo assist, it does not shift the false color, meaning the video assist only applies false color directly in its input feed…
Hi Nick When I turn on HDMI RAW data output a message says Unable to record to the memory card whie outputting raw data. Proceed? Have you come across this before?
Great question. Yes, that is normal. Just select 'yes' and proceed. The camera is just letting you know that it is not going to record the video anymore in body (via SD cards)...it's up to your HMDI connection to record now (e.g. Blackmagic Video Assist, Atmos Ninja V, etc).
The tests I've run in vlog shower much lower noise in the picture with lower ISO (320) which is similar to typical cameras (100 ISO or less) instead of optimum performance with dual ISO (640 and 4000). If you have an S5, try shooting a dark scene in ISO 320, 640, 1000 and 2000. Then zoom in 20x and see the difference in banding and noise. It was pretty apparent on my last test that the 320 was still the cleanest. Let me know your results if you try it.
Can you guys help me. When I apply noice reduction to braw all my clips in a timeline are processed despite the fact that I only selected one. Is that normal? Thanks
@@charlesn That's the funny part. If I have 3 clips in a timeline and I go to color page and select one all three clips will have a red line above. What the hell? How do you know when noice reduction is over? Thanks
You want to see the S5 camera controls on the video assist? The video assist will record that information on the screen if that’s what you want. Sometimes I’ll do it to show the settings I’m using. If so, you just have to turn off the HDMI RAW output off. You won’t be able to record BRAW though. Let me know if this is what you were asking about.
It’s a brilliant camera. So many have moved onto the S5ii or S5iix and they’re great cameras for sure, but for the money…the S5 has such a great picture quality with one of the best IBIS systems in the industry…and still outputs 12 bit, 6k RAW!
I’m going to guess no, because it requires Panasonic’s programming to interface the 6k sensor to those devices bypassing the S5 processing (RAW). You can record the HDMI to any number of devices in clean HDMI modes, but that would only get you 4K.
Hi. Charles. Just a thought. There is always a bit of a lag between camera and recorder. My question is: is there a bit of a delay between recorded video and sound? Personally I record through s5 XLR adapter so everything is in sync. Did you tested it jet? Thanks.
The BRAW file does not have any delays between the video and sound, at least in any of my tests. I usually use the Rode Wireless II into the S5 (stereo input) and 2 XLR inputs into the Video Assist. All 4 sound inputs are good to go. Hope this helps
Liked & Subscribed. I've got the S5 on its way and I'll soon be getting the Video Assist 12G 7". I'll be going thru your content for help with using this setup and editing in Resolve Studio18. Thanks for sharing your experience, much appreciated. I am so looking forward to pursuing photography and videography with this rig, Paul @ czcams.com/channels/dq2jaxcmgyX0AERivIB2Tw.html
Yes, it'll film 4k 60 on ProRes and you'll have the APS-C crop. Just make sure to turn off all of camera info on the HDMI setting and you'll be good to go.
One thing to point out about recording the S5 with the Video Assist is that when using BRAW, the only stabilization available is the IBIS (no e-stabilization or Boost IS available). Same with ProRes, unless you change the HDMI output from 12 bit RAW to 10 bit 422, then you get access to every digital features of the camera. May be obvious for some people, but maybe not for those who aren't very familiar with RAW images. Even though you don't get 5.9K with ProRes, it is still a VERY good option to choose instead of BRAW, since the e-stabilization and Boost IS options are truly AMAZING! Yes, it crops in a little bit (not as much as APS-C mode), but you still end up with a 4K image (since this is a 6K sensor), so just back up to get the same framing, and you're all good. It's truly worth it for shooting handheld. So, I'd use BRAW 5.9K for tripod shots and when using any kind of stabilizer, and i'd use ProRes HQ for handheld shots, since I find the digital stabilizing options in the S5 better than stabilizing in post
can you record ProRes internally? What if I'm working with Davinci Resolve and not Premiere Pro? Then I would still like to get (B)RAW. Is there any option to access (B)RAW and better stabilisation both simultaneously without getting a gimbal?
@@maltsday Not sure I understand your questions man… You can not get ProRes or BRAW without the Video Assist 12G (you can not get that internally). With BRAW, since it’s RAW, you won’t have access to any electronic stabilization (only IBIS, which is a mecanical stabilization). However, with ProRes you can access every stabilization mode, just like with the S5’s internal codecs.
Do you know how much it crops in when shooting ProRes? APS-C 1.5x crop is such a bummer but it's interesting to know that it's not an APS-C crop
@@Lwxid There is no "additionnal" crop when shooting ProRes, other than the crop you get when using different framerates.
@@davidmultimedia2024 So what you're saying is that I can shoot 4K 24p full-frame using ProRes 422 via Ninja V/ Video Assist 12G? If yes then I'm getting an external recorder RIGHT NOW!
Great video, thank you! Just got a S5 so appreciate all your info.
Glad to help! It is definitely the best value for the money right now in my opinion. The Sigma FP has some fun comparisons too, but doesn't have IBIS so it was a 'no go' for me...at least right now.
Thanks for the video! Would love to see some footage comparisons, mainly - BRAW from S5 vs Pocket 6K BRAW, Dynamic range comparison (Highlight recovery, rolloff, shadow noise, banding etc), and details in high-detail footage such as foliage - maybe a comparison of internal highest S5 10 bit 422 codec versus the BRAW at Q0 / 3:1. I do understand that this is more of a wish-list, but have been looking to find a reliable video that can give a definitive answer for the level of upgrade in quality from S5 internal to S5 BRAW :)
have you found the answer yet?
Really good video, helped me iron out a load if issues I was having thanks
This was a great video! Plan on using S5 with the BM Video Assist and wanted to get some more information before purchasing it. Your video helped me make up my mind. And I just subscribed with hopes of seeing your methods of color grading the BMRAW S5 footage in Resolve. Keep up the great work!!
Thanks! I'll put color grading in DR for BRAW/S5 footage in the cue for the next video.
@@charlesn That would be great. Looking forward to it.
Let me know how much this video might help with understanding color grading differences for the video assist, it should give a good start - czcams.com/video/4NNOYugF7HM/video.html
@@charlesn just watched it and I have even more stuff to try. I knew you could drop luts in the vid assist but I thought it was for guidance 🤣 I didn't realize there were that many ways to save from the vid assist when using braw. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing this but, if i read the title, where's the cinematic shot?why don't go out and shoot? Or maybe a couple of images taken on a gig paid. Don't understand.
This combo is put together for a short film I’m currently filming, but don’t have out yet. You’ll see footage from it soon. The video is more about the capabilities of the set (S5 + Video Assist) rather than my skills as a cinematographer.
Nice video, Charles! Just an fyi, turning off sound improves latency so if you don't need sound for b-roll and want to improve the latency, you can turn off sound.
Thanks! And thanks for the great tip. I don’t use the audio on most b-roll so that makes sense.
Very informative. I can't wait to see the color grading tutorial. I just subscribed👍. Can this record in 60fps?
The highest frame rates for RAW are 5.9k @30 fps and 4k @60 fps, but the 4k comes with the APS-C crop and is technically C4k (4128x2176) so you get the 17:9 bars.
@@charlesn Thanks
I use the Ninja 5 with the S5. The image is poetry. 5.9k RAW Prores 12 bit FULL FRAME!!! I got an open box deal on the S5 for 1,400 bucks. The Ninja was 400. I just shot a feature and it looks dynamite.
The Ninja is fantastic. I just picked up one too. Most of my editing is in Davinci so ProRes doesn't help right now as it requires me to convert it before importing. That being said, I think ProRes RAW gives you the best RAW image out of the S5 sensor.
@@charlesn Da vinci is pretty great, Really sad there is no compatibility for RAW. Still, the Ninja is an incredible tool in any case. I only use RAW on premium projects. It is overkill in most cases and the Prores 422 is fine. But, as you will know, you can always rent Adobe Premier month by month if you need RAW, that is what I do. Happy shooting, brother.
@@charlesn You should check out this video about using RAW in DaVinci: czcams.com/video/Rr7-tyt8aWg/video.html
Thanks for this guide. super useful. have you found anyway to stop the S5 from hunting focus, in Autofocus-S mode? As the S5 itself isn't recording, its keeps changing focus, even when the video assist is in record. cheers
Have you tried switching to C (continuous) instead?
Thanks for the video. How do I display an image with the LUT on over the HDMI out on the assist going into an Atem mini for example?
After you plug in and turn on your Atem Mini... Select the Gear Icon > 5th icon down, "Monitor/Display (Video)" > V-Log View Assist > (1) LUT Select [select 'Vlog_709']...then (2) LUT View Assist (HDMI) [select "ON"] - you should see the LUT applied wherever the HDMI signal is being sent to. I plugged in an Andycine 4K to test and the monitor needed plugged in and turned on before the "LUT View Assist" option would allow me to change it to "ON." Hope this helps!
@@charlesn thanks I'll try it.
I triad to get this working yesterday. But without success. I hooked up the HDMI to the Atem mini before I started the video assist and before turning on the display lut. I must be doning something wrong still.
@@DrHansBrewery did it give you the option to turn the LUT on? If not, you might set it up while plugged directly into the Video Assist, then save to a custom settings...then plug it into the Atem Mini
Thank you for this informative video. What is the right way to be in photography mode on the camera and click images and also use the monitor just as a larger viewer?
If you select M for manual for photos, the HDMI output will automatically output but you will need to select either Pro Res or DnX file formats on the Video Assist. The image outputs 1080p at 60 fps, so it isn't a super high definition image sadly. I'll experiment more and see if there are any other settings for a better HDMI output in photography modes.
@@charlesn Thank you. Appreciate you responding to this. I did end up doing this and was hoping for a better output on the assist. If you do find alternatives, would love to know.
I'm gonna pick this badboy up I think. Question, is there a way to put the Gen5 Blackmagic color science LUT on at any point (like baked in LUT) or is that something you'd need to do after in daVinci?
It has the typical 709 LUT in the Video Assist. Gen 5 is definitely an option in Davinci: Color Tab > Camera RAW > Decode Using > Select "Clip" > Color Science > Select "Gen 5"
Hello Charles, I recently purchased the Blackmagic 6K Pro and the Panasonic S5IIX. When recording B-Raw with the S5IIX, Is it challenging to match the footage with the Blackmagic 6K Pro footage?
I think it’s pretty easy to match and provide some options in this video czcams.com/video/4NNOYugF7HM/video.html - Blackmagic did update their white balance issue so you can ignore those comments in that video. The white balance tracks much closer now.
Do you know If DR boost Works in Braw?
Just bought Video assist and I'm a bit disappointed. There is no DCI 4K in 60 fps. My ninja v has it. Also scopes are not very functional. On ninja you can monitor in 709 or in hdr.. on the assist the is no such a thing. The menus on ninja are clearly laid out. You pick the camera then vlog or hlg or prores raw. You can also record in different gamma like DCI p3. Ninja I think is much better option if you planning to shoot in prores 422 or hlg. Braw is the only advantage for video assist. And considering the price of ninja, ninja is a better option....
I definitely agree that the Ninja is what you need for ProRes and that is the true divider for most of us. I personally shoot in BRAW so the Video Assist makes sense for my work flow. If I ever step into ProRes for delivery then I'll add the Ninja V. I personally love the scopes in the video assist, but only you know your preferences for sure. Thanks for sharing your experience with the Ninja V!
Have you noticed that the video assist applies false color on the v-log input feed? How is that supposedto work correctly when false color only has any meaning after colorspace conversion to rec.709?
I haven't noticed any false color on the vlog input feed. I just make sure to turn the S5 HDMI output to off if I'm recording to ProRes: Menu > Gear Icon > IN/OUT (5th down) > HDMI Rec Output > Info Display > Select "OFF". Otherwise, if you are running 10 bit RAW (Camera > Image Format 2 (4th down) > HDMI RAW Data Output > Select "ON") the Info display is automatically selected to off, so it won't add the chance of false color in the BRAW file.
@@charlesn I mean if you toggle the s5 to raw output (for braw recording) it automativally goes to v-log, and then if you toggle on fakse color on the video assist, it does it on the vlog, so the skin color and neutral grey levels are off. If you apply a v-log to rec 709 lut on the cideo assist, it does not shift the false color, meaning the video assist only applies false color directly in its input feed…
Hi Nick
When I turn on HDMI RAW data output a message says
Unable to record to the memory card whie outputting raw data. Proceed?
Have you come across this before?
Great question. Yes, that is normal. Just select 'yes' and proceed. The camera is just letting you know that it is not going to record the video anymore in body (via SD cards)...it's up to your HMDI connection to record now (e.g. Blackmagic Video Assist, Atmos Ninja V, etc).
I have a doubt regarding the extended iso, why turn it on?
The tests I've run in vlog shower much lower noise in the picture with lower ISO (320) which is similar to typical cameras (100 ISO or less) instead of optimum performance with dual ISO (640 and 4000). If you have an S5, try shooting a dark scene in ISO 320, 640, 1000 and 2000. Then zoom in 20x and see the difference in banding and noise. It was pretty apparent on my last test that the 320 was still the cleanest. Let me know your results if you try it.
Can you guys help me. When I apply noice reduction to braw all my clips in a timeline are processed despite the fact that I only selected one. Is that normal? Thanks
How are you applying Noise Reduction? If you apply it in the color panel with an individual clip selected, it will only apply to that clip.
@@charlesn That's the funny part. If I have 3 clips in a timeline and I go to color page and select one all three clips will have a red line above. What the hell? How do you know when noice reduction is over? Thanks
Help, I am not seeing the camera controls from the camera screen on my video assist and I don't know where I screwed up.
You want to see the S5 camera controls on the video assist? The video assist will record that information on the screen if that’s what you want. Sometimes I’ll do it to show the settings I’m using. If so, you just have to turn off the HDMI RAW output off. You won’t be able to record BRAW though. Let me know if this is what you were asking about.
thanks, I've got it sorted now. Just a lot of menu options to get used to. Great camera though, I love it. @@charlesn
It’s a brilliant camera. So many have moved onto the S5ii or S5iix and they’re great cameras for sure, but for the money…the S5 has such a great picture quality with one of the best IBIS systems in the industry…and still outputs 12 bit, 6k RAW!
Can you do 5.9k on any other monitor other than bma or ninja v?
I’m going to guess no, because it requires Panasonic’s programming to interface the 6k sensor to those devices bypassing the S5 processing (RAW). You can record the HDMI to any number of devices in clean HDMI modes, but that would only get you 4K.
Hello, can you please tell me what you used to record with the video assist, because mine does not work with SSD or SD.
I use a Samsung T5 SSD and sometimes an SD card. What model video assist do you have?
Hi. Charles.
Just a thought. There is always a bit of a lag between camera and recorder. My question is: is there a bit of a delay between recorded video and sound? Personally I record through s5 XLR adapter so everything is in sync. Did you tested it jet? Thanks.
The BRAW file does not have any delays between the video and sound, at least in any of my tests. I usually use the Rode Wireless II into the S5 (stereo input) and 2 XLR inputs into the Video Assist. All 4 sound inputs are good to go. Hope this helps
@@charlesn Thanks!!
Is it shooting 5.7k on 60fps ?
Sadly no. Once you select 60 fps, it crops in the sensor leaving you 4K resolution.
Liked & Subscribed. I've got the S5 on its way and I'll soon be getting the Video Assist 12G 7". I'll be going thru your content for help with using this setup and editing in Resolve Studio18. Thanks for sharing your experience, much appreciated. I am so looking forward to pursuing photography and videography with this rig, Paul @ czcams.com/channels/dq2jaxcmgyX0AERivIB2Tw.html
Can you record 4k 60p through the monitor?
Yes, it'll film 4k 60 on ProRes and you'll have the APS-C crop. Just make sure to turn off all of camera info on the HDMI setting and you'll be good to go.
Can you record 5.9 k on 60fps 4.2.2?
Sadly the max for 5.9k is currently 50 fps, but that might get you close enough using some trickery in post.
@@charlesn thank you