The Religion & Cult Iceberg Explained
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Intro - 00:00
Tier 3 - 3:16
Tier 4 - 12:32
Tier 5 - 18:51
Tier 6 - 25:04
Tier 7 - 30:33
Tier 8 - 39:42
Tier 9 - 50:33
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Bothers me so much that the Jonestown mass murder is called a mass suicide. Most were forced to drink that kool-aid and those who tried to run were shot.
Yeah it disserves the people
I've always thought it was called, The Jonestown Massacre.
@@thatgoodolpisscrab it is, if I see suicide it normally has murder-suicide
Flavoraid
I've always called it the Jonestown massacre. that's what it is.
i know it’s a big deal because beards have religious significance to the amish, but the idea of someone breaking into another person’s house then angrily shaving their beard is so funny
@JoGeJo *angrily installs wifi in your house*
What makes it even better is I'm pretty sure they hitchhiked to get to a couple victims' houses. Imagine what it must have been like to be that driver.
@@trekker105 Omgoodness. I hope it was a horse and buggy. Please let it be a horse and buggy😭
@@justintime6242 Nope, car. Which makes it even funnier IMO.
*aggressively raids everyone's closet and puts bright colored clothes in the closet*
I find “Cargo Cults” interesting because their beliefs and tactics actually worked. The soldiers eventually did come back and brought more resources.
I fuckin love cargo cults random tribes believing were they're deaitey cause we brought them good during the ww
It didnt work, that was a coincidence.
@@thrwwyaccnt123 no it actually did eventually
@@thrwwyaccnt123I mean, if they didn’t do it, we wouldn’t have been nearly as interested in them. Our interest brought us back with supplies therefore, in a roundabout way, it did in fact work.
@@benjaminmudd2071 we knew that they did it only after we decided to come back. How do you think we could have known the natives would build that stuff before returning?
Growing up Greek Orthodox, I always heard people describe our church as "new calendar" and I didn't understand until I was an adult that our church had split over something as petty as what day it is
This isn't at all a good explanation, and he didn't do his research. There are many different types of Orthodoxy these days. Up until around 100 years ago, there was really just the one, true faith, and those who chose not to accept it but rather do their own version.
The reason "Old calendar" Greek Orthodox refer to themselves as old calender isn't exclusively because of the calender. The calendar is just the most obvious point. What "Old calenderists" stand for is a completely unadulterated version of the Christian church. There is no change to adapt to modern times, because the church is everlasting and unchanging, so why would our traditions change to suit modern tastes? With small changes opens the gateway to big changes, and you can believe that's not true over the time of your life, but it's not true for a church that has lasted 2000 years and upheld its traditions since they were conceived.
Churches that adopted the new calender went away with many critical Orthodox traditions. This is a fact. They go hand in hand. Most new calenderists don't even upkeep the fast which is so critical to the faith.
Like I said there are many different types of Orthodoxy these days and you can find churches holding different parts of different traditions. You can even find "old calender" churches that keep the old calender but dispose of many other core Orthodox traditions (eg the Russian Orthodox church).
So its not just about the calender. It's about the tradition. About upholding the one, true faith, without change.
You can read much more about this online
@@mr.bitsbyte4664Quote: "So its not just about the calender. It's about the tradition...." Dude this is exactly why people mock and laugh at the pettiness of the split. But I took the time. Not to research the religion, no. But to read, to analyze, to contemplate, and to reply to this. Because... *wow.* This needs to be addressed.
To begin, Wendigoon is literally able to list the books of the bible on the fly, without aid. From the Old to New Testament. He is a very religious man, dude teaches Sunday School. He did research, and he did explain it well; the religion is "Funny Christianity" and nothing more.
But like the religion, you have a blatant need to stand out; be "special." Original in this context very clearly implying "best."
I see the branch you describe as dangerous after reading this. I see how it can radicalize someone against their own fellow believers, see how it's radicalizing *you.* And here's where I draw the line.
Quote: "There are many different types of Orthodoxy these days. Up until around 100 years ago, there was really just the one, true faith, and those who chose not to accept it but rather do their own version."
You are actually claiming your branch of the largest religion in the world is the *True faith.* You require addressing now. Because your religious beliefs are on the brink of dangerous.
Quote: "Most new calenderists don't even upkeep the fast which is so critical to the faith."
I'm sorry? "New Calenderists?" I don't like the implications that come with that phrasing. *I really don't.* This isn't even coming from a Christian, I'm an atheist.
Quote: "Churches that adopted the new calander went away with many critical Orthodox traditions. This is a fact. They go hand in hand."
This is not a fact; that is a claim. The word "Many" wipes away the word "fact" by... common sense. Not even sure what word is appropriate for that, I'm analyzing rhetoric not your grammar (which is why I'm only correcting my own spell errors.)
And to just add more; we have August. That month is *for* Augustus Caesar. Who was a(n adoptive) family member of a man *who claimed to be a son of Mars.* I.E. the Roman *God of War.* We have a whole month for him.
And finally, *and most importantly for a person's health,* fasting is NOT critical to faith. Fasting is dangerous because religion makes people do insane things like *unintentionally starve,* or how you know... *We are biological creatures who need to eat. To list *fasting* in such a way, and so dismissively, is just absurd. Absurd is all I can describe that as.
The statement "Don't even upkeep the fast which is so critical to the faith." Is why I have no remorse in these words:
This is more than a petty separation; it's a radical fermenting vat. If you claim to be the "true faith," in regard to others who believe in that same god as you; your belief system is dangerous by default. It's a good thing there aren't that many who know or care in such detail, because you speak like a radical. To claim a "true faith" is an admission of radicalized belief.
You know what *is* critical to faith? *Faith.* Isn't that all that matters? No, not to you. Which is why I can extrapolate from your statements that you are most likely antisemetic; Judaism does not believe Jesus was the messiah and thus does not follow your "true faith."
And after realizing you used a blanket term such as "Calenderist" I am confident in my assumption that you are a devout believer (in your supremacy.)
Which is why I no longer find the pettiness very funny. I spent a lot of time reading your sermon, writing this reply, *revising the reply*, and editing/formatting it. I'm trying not to be offensive to those of other orthodoxy, but that's quite difficult because *you make all of Christianity look bad to me, what you might as well call an atheist. Or a heretic, I like Warhammer 40K anyways.
You make Christianity as a whole look bad, you make your God look bad, you make *calendars* look bad. It was never about a calender, it was about believing themselves better, and that indoctrinated, dogmatic bigotry is still palpable through you.
It's funny, Jesus was killed over a love of power. This branch of Christianity was clearly formed centering around a love of power.
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Its very disturbing that you see 'traditional' as 'objectively good'. Now, im not saying its all bad, im a pretty traditional guy. But a lot of it was BS that rightfully altered. If it was up to tradition, your wife would literally be your property, and anyone not white or Christian would be persecuted. Is all that worth it just to eventually die and find out all that happens is you cease to exist, no different then before you were born. And youve condemned anyone different just because you had the wild idea that after death youd actually get to have a good time in paradise forever..
@@XXMatt0040XX My guy, I am new calendarist, but I would really appreciate if you do a bit more research before attacking orthodoxy. The most glaring thing is your criticism of fasting. Fasting within orthodoxy is done for about half the year but in normal times, only on Wednesday and Friday. We eat on fasting days, but we abstain in general from animal products. We do not starve ourselves. Second, please don't be so vitriolic and assume so much about someone without having ever met them. That only leads to a lot of anger and sin. Ill be praying for you.
@@karenamyx2205 Please don't assume such awful things about orthodoxy. For one, there are a multitude of black saints, and even a native Alaskan saint who got canonized just this week. Second, orthodoxy did not arise in the west and 'tradition' in orthodoxy is very different from tradition in the west. Also, one very common expression within orthodoxy is that "We know where the church is, not where it isn't" as in, we know orthodoxy is the true church, however we hope but we don't know that for example protestants or Catholics will be saved. We pray for the souls of all people, we do not condemn anyone different. I'll be praying for you.
Fun fact: For some jobs in Bavaria, Germany such as teaching, you have to sign a form that you are NOT associated with Scientology or financially supporting them in any way.
On that note, after I saw the movie Valkyrie (the Tom Cruise Hitler assassination plot movie), I read somewhere that a lot of Germans were outraged by the movie particularly due to the fact that Cruise is a Scientologist. Interesting
Im pretty sure that's the case for all government jobs in Germany. But definitely teaching :)
And Bavaria was also the founding place of the original Illuminati.
@Sanctus Paulus Some people believe in a connection between the two. And Bavaria eventually banned the Illuminati, maybe it explains their adversity to semi-secret societies.
Here in Sweden we pay Scientologist to preach about narcotics in schools
I deeply fear any cult that has the power to live nude somewhere as cold as Saskatchewan.
No shit. That's terrifying.
the sheer willpower
i LIVE THERE and it’s literally winter 7 months of the year… i don’t know how they do it
@@ahdden Sounds fun. Hate the heat. Love the cold.
that’s what i try to do but.. when it snows for 7 out of 12 months of the year it gets Real Hard to love the cold 😐
imo Scientology could have its own iceberg. Xenu and thetans (the stuff discussed in South Park) is literally just the tip of it, things like "Fair Game", the Hole, their shadow organizations like Narcanon, whatever happened to Shelly Miscavige, child labor, the million year contracts with the Sea Org...
I read somewhere that Aleister Crowley thought L. Ron Hubbard was a real lowlife and he didn’t want Jack Parsons to associate with him. If the “wickedest man in the world” thinks you’re a piece of crap, then you have some serious problems 😂
@@Ahrimanehate scientology but to be fair he was just a schizo who believed in weird stuff like sex magic. If i recall correctly he was so weird he was kicked out of other larper magic groups lmao
Dude “The Hole” is freaking terrifying.
Tbh almost all religions in this iceberg could have their own icebergs
4:36 that windows notification jumpscared me
Stop bc I was SEARCHING through the comments to make sure I wasn’t the only one who heard it 😭😭
Same. I checked my notifications and saw nothing. I had to rewind to make sure that it came from the video.
i checked my notifications to IM ON A CHROME BOOK
I'm on my phone and was so confused. 😂
Every time I hear it, I have to tell myself it's not my laptop.
Scientology is waaaaay worse than he made it sound. There’s so many stories of people who left the church you can find online of them being trapped and unable to leave, being stalked/bugged, being abused, etc
I mean, in the Scientology vs 4chan debacle 4chan were the good guys. Let that sink in...
They also stalk you if you try to leave and drive you crazy. It’s awful. And the recruitment tactics are abuse 101.
Fun fact: they have a prison camp where people who tried to escape the religion have to sleep under desks and are forced to return and in the night an unlucky prisoner will be dragged to the near by lake in where the water is freezing cold where they are forced to stay there for hours. escapees even say the building had maggots and ants, look it up
Frosty the Snowman is the Blood God Baphomet...
Isn't there also the theory that the founder killed his wife and his members are covering it up?
Most of these are the definition of “we can make a religion out of this”
Fallowers of the Bunkers Revivalists?
LMFOAOAOAO NO RLLY THOOO
*no don't*
They never got Ethiopia..
🎵and he came back🎶
So, what I'm taking from this video is that there are three basic kinds of fringe religions:
-My race is better than your race
-It's this one well-known religion, but ✨better✨
-Give me twelve hundred dollars or you won't go to heaven
You forgot
-You can have seggs if you feel like it with whatever you feel like
-I'm god and you can't do anything about it lol
-Evil is cool
underrated comment lmaoo
The weird thing is that if Jim Jones had had died suddenly in the 60s when his church was still in Indianapolis, he'd likely be remembered relatively fondly as a figure of the civil rights movement; then he moved the church to San Francisco where his church had a truly astounding amount of political sway in the city during the 70s. And then the whole situation in Guyana, where his behavior was very similar to that of a family annihilator write large. Truly terrifying to imagine the people who experienced the full trajectory of the church.
Very true. I often wonder how much drug abuse played a role in Jim Jones going down a much darker path. He was always a narcissist but he might not have been so malignant without all the drugs.
I find it interesting that Jim Jones has the same last name as Jeff Jones, who was the original lead singer-bassist of Rush, and who stepped out of the band to form Ocean, which was, guess what, a gospel rock band. Yes, Jones is a pretty common last name, but if I had a dime every time an evil cult leader shared their last name with a gospel rock musician, I'd have at least one dime.
Frustrating thing about Jim Jones is that he actually didn't drink the "kool-aid" himself. He died from a gunshot wound to the head when just about everyone else at Jones town died a slow agonizing death.
It’s theorized one of the last women to die had shot him as at least one survivor had said they’d waited hours after everything had gone quiet with two gunshots being heard (hours apart)
Also Flavor-aid*
Tbh we should say "They ate the applesauce" rather than "They drank the koolaid" Heaven's Gates members actually all wanted to die via applesauce and barbituates (I think the last one or two may have just strangled themselves) while not all Jonestowners wanted to drink the koolaid.
@@lukegarner6948 They drank Flavor-Aid at Jonestown, actually.
@@fruitygarlic3601 Thank you. I don't why it ever got started that it was Kool-Aid.
There's a amazing movie that Eli Roth did with that as the story but modernized. It's called "The Sacrament" definitely check it out if ur into the whole Jim Jones stuff
Society for Ethetical Culture sounds like a group therapy TED Talk where everyone is depressed but excited to be there.
The Church of Neoliberalism and Self Help
Bruh neoliberalism abyss tier
Lol
I was going to comment the same thing
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Jewish person here! Kabbalah was actually originally only allowed to be learned by men in their 40’s (mostly rabbi’s and other religious figures) however, in recent years (I mean really recent) people of all ages have been learning about it as well. In high school (Jewish high school to be specific) my Jewish Culture teacher made us write a report on different parts of Kabbalah; we had to expand on what we thought was most interesting and important and while doing my research and learning about it I understood why only certain people could learn it cause it is very complicated (on both surface level and deeper into the practice)
Kabbat ul llah is the house of God which ia the heart of the complete Adamite(perfected man). Also Kabba have many meanings the root means knee or elbow related to a 90° × 4 is 360° . Which is both the Circle and the square. KABBA also means peak or Pinnacle. And I know all this because we have a mystic tradition and we are the originals of this. It's okay you will forever be my little brother in these matters.
I’ve always been fascinated by Kabbalah, but I’m not Jewish.
I love that you mentioned Church of the Subgenius: and yes, its complete satire and totally "serious" at the exact same time.
Essentially the same as the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church…
Which I had to do a presentation about in my school days that haunts me to this day.
the best thing is how he decribes absolutely horrible stuff with a soft dancy music on the background, i love it
Same!!!
Welcome to Wendigoon’s channel haha
"He then went inside with his gun and killed all 9 people in the house including his wife and all children inside"
Keep them cymbals splashy fellas
I genuinely appreciate the soft/upbeat music cos I'm curious about these things but I hate when people try to make the videos way too creepy.
I think it's why I like his channel a lot. Instead of a lot of channels that put spooky music on and talk really edgy going over icebergs, Wendigoons videos feel like I'm talking to a cool uncle or something
I wish you added that very interesting fact that the Heavens Gate cult is still ongoing, and their website is up and running by two members who wanted to stay behind and spread the word.
Ti and Do are still kickin it. I actually emailed them a little over a year ago for a project, and they sent me links to all these videos explaining their beliefs. Probably some brainwashing material in there.
Yeah I've heard about that, that one of the members didn't die, either didn't want to or somehow lived, and he said that he thinks it was God's decision to not take him away to spread their beliefs
Is this a jojo reference?🤔
@@AliTheTourist what
@@basedpaprika4157 how does the 'real' FBI not know about heaven's door, stand of Rohan Kishibe? 🤔🧐
i thought that thumnail said CLIT in big bloody red font
I'm an ex-member of the Ordo Templi Orientis. I was in it for 10 years. The OTO is an occult organization which started in Germany in the late 1800s as an attempt to create an "Academia Masonica" which would bring together various Masonic rites (Masonry only has 3 regular degrees, called Blue Lodge, and everything after that is done through semi-autonomous "rites" like the most popular Scottish Rite which has 33 degrees or York Rite which has 10 degrees) to learn from one another (and bring those which had existed in other countries into Germany) as well as be a reconstitution of the 1776 Bavarian Illuminati. On top of this the OTO claimed to hold a "key" which one of the co-founders Kellner says he discovered in his travels meeting and unifying Eastern and Western spiritualities). Eventually Aleister Crowley joined and, as is his norm, took over entirely. He reformed the Order to match his own self created religion called Thelema (a hodge podge of many different religions but which focus on him being a Prophet of "The New Aeon of Horus". I was a dedicated Thelemite for around 13 years (including my time in the OTO) and after a series of weird personal events sought out the local chapter of the OTO to ask them for help and see if I wanted to join. I was a little stunned to see they had so few members and their temple space was running out of temporary rentals above an occult book store. All the same these people had chill vibes and were able to talk about things I just could not with anyone else as there's so much esoteric jargon in Thelema telling someone like a friend or family about Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit, Babalon, The City of Pyramids etc etc is near impossible. I decided to join. They offer a 0th degree called Minerval which allows you to attend Lodge meetings (non-members can only come to the after gathering, usually at a pub, bar or restaurant or attend the public demonstrations of Crowley's "Gnostic" Mass which in reality is just a Thelemic Mass based off the Mass of Russian Orthodox Christianity... but be warned if you go the eucharist, called Cakes of Light, contain a single drop of either blood or semen put into the massive batch before cooking it to kill any viruses possibly present) and the 0th degree is supposed to be an unbinding way to see if you want to go further or back away... but in reality the ritual contains vows which are far from unbinding. I progressed through several of the degrees before I left. I left for many different reasons but was in it for 10 years (I'm about to turn 31). My Lodge itself was full of pretty normal people but the Grand Lodge which ran out of the US began to be something I questioned more and more especially when one of the highest rank members, James Wasserman, begun outwardly spouting far-right ideals, posting pics of himself smiling with people like Roger Stone and Milo Yiannopoulos. If you search up "Proud Boys founder" on Google Images several pics in you'll see a picture with a man on the right wearing a shirt that has a unicursal hexagram and the number 93, those are Thelemic symbols. Looking into it he was an OTO member as were others in the Proud Boys due to James Wasserman's militant Trumpism. The man in the pic sadly passed away due to an overdose. Then there's Augustus Sol Invictus who was only booted from the Order when public relations got bad as he was a keynote speaker at the tragic hate rally Unite The Right. He was not kicked out for his views which were known beforehand but for making the news... oh and he was a candidate for the Libertarian Party nomination in the 2016 United States Senate election in Florida, was the publisher of Revolutionary Conservative, a magazine which calls for a violent far-right white uprising. To add to that In response to Invictus's campaign, the chairman of the Libertarian Party resigned due to Invictus calling him a "violent Fascist and Neo-Nazi" whose ideology was incompatible with libertarianism and saying he did not want to be part of the same party. The chairman also accused Invictus of supporting eugenics and of "sadistically dismembering a goat in a ritualistic sacrifice". Invictus responded by admitting that he once wrote a paper advocating eugenics but saying that he has since "changed his mind". He said he had sacrificed the goat and drunk its blood as part of a ritual to give thanks for surviving a pilgrimage in spring 2013, but denied it was "sadistic". So yeh while my Lodge was full of normal people the same cannot be said of many others especially those in America and Australia.
I started being far more critical and doing research, openly breaking my vows to keep silent about all I've experienced and seeking out leaks about future degrees. I found out that the Order had actually essentially died out in the past (in the 70s I think, I'd have to look it up to find exact dates) and an author named Francis King wrote a book called The Secret Rituals of the OTO with every degree's ceremony and teachings included. The book matched precisely my experiences although certain signs, grips and passcodes were changed following the book being published. I knew the OTO was openly leading towards sx magick, that didn't bother me, but what I found and read in the final degree teachings was far more messed up than the sort of thing I was expecting. Those interested can easily google "Secret Rituals of the OTO pdf" and find it to see what I'm talking about. I also found out there was a long history of far-right tendencies within the OTO going back to Crowley. When the OTO first came to America the FBI puts tabs on them and heard the leader state that he believed evil-moustache-man from WW2 was right in thinking Germans were superior to others. Crowley's own opinions on evil-moustache-man are harder to pin down as the British government has declassified the fact he was working for British secret intelligence against Germany during WW1. It's highly implied he joined the Golden Dawn and caused the schism that brought it down because of direct orders from the British Government as The Golden Dawn was becoming a hub for well known Irish Nationalists who wanted to British to relinquish control over their country. However in his personal diaries he writes actual sx dreams about evil-moustache-man. A man, who doesn't seem too stable himself but none the less has acquired and is collecting and publishing primary source material about the OTO runs a website the OTO has been trying to get shut down for many years but can't as it is hosted in Sweden. It is called parareligion (search "parareligion oto" in google to find it) and while it is hard to navigate and full of weird stuff its a treasure trove of primary source material covering the entire 100+ years of OTO history. It even, kinda sillily, logs conversations about my own Lodge Master and a "controversy" where he took 5$ from the dues of members (which he replaced immediately) to buy uhh some white stuff that goes in the nose.
Throughout my time in the OTO I met people from many different esoteric Mystery Schools and cults ranging from Freemasons (by far the most down to Earth, chill and normal of all the people I met were all Masons with 32nd degree Scottish Rite Masons being regular people like one who was a university teacher and specialist in translating ancient Sanskrit into English) to several versions of reconstituted Golden Dawns, several reconstituted Rosicrucian Orders (the most cult and kinda pathetic just successful is AMORC and the most respectable and legitimate was the SRIA available only to Master Masons affiliated with the United Grand Lodge of England which most Masonry is), non-English Grand Lodge Masons like Memphis-Misraim which many of the OTO's own initiations are based off of, an ARG that turned into an actual cult called Project 89 that convinced me to bring around 10 friends to farm to start a commune which failed miserable (please do not harass anyone who was affiliated with 89, most have moved on and are very good people who just did some stupid stuff when their were younger), chaos magick groups such as DKMU and much more.
If you're interested in asking me anything, really anything, about any of this just let me know. To close off I want to note I was introduced to the occult through CZcams videos and the algorithm driving my interest in spirituality into deeper and deeper weirdness.
@CrypticCocktails yeh I should have seen the coming issues present in the late OTO "secrets" but I joined assuming they were just tantric sex teachings and not the absolutely insane neo-Paracelsian Spermo(pseudo)gnostic nonsense it actually is. I'm all for sex magick, the true stuff, which can be solo and internal with the anima and animus or whatever you want to call those aspects or externally with lovers like the naturally flowing unplanned ritual feeling that comes from making love with the woman I've been in a 13 year relationship with. She's a woman who sees herself as a sex magician and has little interest in Crowley but finds my inteptetations interesting. She taught me a lot and learned along with me at the same time. To us sex Mysteries when physical are found in the cycling of energy and learning to give and take from one another in such a way we both come out with a sum total more than we went in with since we're tapping into an infinite source (Love in the highest sense) while we give and take. Since Crowley wasn't my main interest when I joined and for years later compared to simply The Book of The Law and my personal interpretation of it it was disillusioning and deeply saddening to slowly realize he was a sex pest (abuser) and misogynistic who left everyone he "loved" broken and abandoned as he focused entirely on himself (how he could not see he was A Black Brother who'd not let Babalon do her thing but been trapped in Chronzon, in Daath, confounds me.
It was heartbreaking, honestly realizing half your life you'd been feeding into the worldview of a loser... it's not like he lived all that long ago I think he lived at a time we knew women had eggs and sperm merely fetalized it yet the OTO's final "secrets" view the phallus as all important and a woman's yoni as little more than a gateway for the wondrous phallus... and of all things, the aim is homunculus creation... so dumb. At least due to my own blindness of who he was l let my subconscious aspire to better things than he was capable of and while I've not read it in years The Book of The Law meant to me things quite different than I imagine it did for him. Any element of him in rites like oaths to Baphomet (his OTO name) I took symbolically and didn't see as him at all but as a symbol of male-female unity both exoterically as sex and esoterically as a Sethian Gnostic Barbelo like Godform (using Eliphas Levi's interpretation of Baphomet and my own study of Gnosticism), Western Esotericism + Eastern Mysticism unity (due to the Memphis Misraim framework of the early degrees about the Templars not warring with but interacting with Islamic mystics) and as a symbol of the supraego shared by us all and which resides in what in Neoplatonsm would be called the Nous or by Jung the Collective Unconscious
@CrypticCocktails There are some quality teachings within Thelema and Crowley that I've internalized and morphed with many other teachings from elsewhere and my own experiences, but yep for the most part I've left both behind. I sometimes still perform edited personalized versions of The Star Ruby or stuff (he mostly stole) from Liber E and Liber O or other stuff like the exercises in Liber Thisarb. I think the word Thelema is an excellent title and what he was clearly attempting to do was address Schopenhauer's concepts of Will and, Voltaire's question of inventing God, Nietzsche's Dead God and so on. As such I still internally call myself a Thelemite but to me it's as separate from Crowley as Thelema was to him as being different from the Thelema of Rabelais or The Law as written by Augustine of Hippo (Love and do as you will” - St Augustine). Thelema is to me the art of refining one's ability to channel the Divine Will (the Divine by me is seen in a more a more Neoplatonic sense than Gnostic or any religious sense despite) and allow it to consciously transform my own personal will, life, being and while my will is slowly aligned with Divine Will it acts as a magnet where Divine Will is reaching out a hand while my will reaches out towards it. Sex magick to me is the internal alchemy of that love for God and also how sexuality, unshackled by guilt as well as obsession, is itself key to understanding oneself and others... It was due to my personalized Thelemic understanding of sexuality I developed the technique I use on psys for entering so called "high states" by allowing my male aspects and female aspects to externalize, make love with each other and give birth to my Self who is both male and femlae yet neither... so I'm very thankful for Thelema as much as I hate Crowley XD
Thank you. That was a great insight. What is a para’religion? And I believe British Intelligence did take down those groups it thought were a threat to the UK.
Ur depth of interaction if true I’m a mason waiting on my third degree and I can only hope I tap into that broader network of interconnected occult organizations
I am very interested about your experience with the OTO, I am kind of drawn to Thelema and have read a little bit of Allister crowley
Wendigoon:
"I wanna be monetised guys, can't say bad words."
Also Wendigoon:
"SO ABOUT THAT EXTREME RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE IN CHINA..."
Also, referencing Ep5t1an Island 🏝 🤫
@@Bobbley82 what?
@@desmondbuffalo9890 i think they mean jeffrey man who didnt kill himself island
@@commie_dog_boy Shh or the illuminati will delete the internet 🤣
Everytime he mentions China, he always uses the opportunity to talk negatively and spread lies about about China and Chinese people. His Falun Gong entry was completely biased for example. He never talked to a single Chinese person or went to China and only gobbles up propaganda from the the New York Post and the like and feeds it to everyone who watches. I like his videos but it is clear he is spreading lies about it, intentionally or not.
I've actually talked to the surviving heavens gate members, they helped me with my religion project on them lmao they still believe in Heaven's gate, it's super evident from what they say in their emails. it got actually creepy when they told me that they believe it was an honor to stay behind and help their fellow members off themselves and didn't feel any remorse, and told me that I would likely die in a "recycling of the earth", I almost stopped communication after that. Got an A+ on the project though!
They also told me that they realized after the "ascension" there was no spacecraft behind the meteor, but somehow the members still got on the spacecraft? I really don't know how that works, but pop off I guess...
How.... interesting 🤔
They probably still "believe" because they just don't want to swallow their pride and admit they goofed up. The more time and energy you sink into something, the more inclined you are to stick with that thing, even when it becomes a sunk cost.
@syao The world doesn't run on logic, most salesmen will say this. You can be offering someone free money and they will make excuses to not take it
gahdamn this is fascinating. thank you for sharing
“I kept seeing information that they denied the holocaust… so.. ok go off I guess??” CACKLING 😭😭
It’s interesting that you mention Ghost Dance. I recently (maybe a couple of months ago) saw people do a ghost dance at a Powwow. I’m from Canada and I’m mixed Mohawk so I often go to support local Indigenous communities and vendors and enjoy the dances. A couple of the dancers there actually preformed a version of ghost dance that they used to bring in the spirits of the ancestors of all those in attendance to enjoy the powwow, especially those of the recently found residential school children here. I think there was actually someone who had attended one of the schools dancing too, but I can’t remember fully. There were no cameras or videos allowed and there was no singing, just drums and the dancers. It was really moving and a powerful moment. I wouldn’t be surprised if some elements of ghost dance found themselves re-emerging into Indigenous spirituality especially with the Indigenous Resurgence movements going on. I think it would be really nice to find those dances incorporated partly because they were meant to strengthen the community and make the links between the ancestors and the community stronger. Not sure if all that makes sense. But it was a really beautiful moment to honour those who had passed and are still with us.
Thank you for sharing that, you write beautifully :)
Yeah I just learned about it in my history class so it was cool to hear it mentioned here!
It's bringing tears to my eyes just hearing about it. The thought of those poor kids being welcomed home...
"It's fun to look into the rabbit hole and see how deep it goes, but you got to remember to take your head out." That is profound and is definitely going to stick with me. I might even try to use that when I start falling down an anxiety spiral.
Reminds me of Alex Jones. He didn’t pull his head back out the rabbit hole.
@@americankid7782 and that rabbit hole happened to be his own arse
This happened to me about 3 months ago and definitely something you have to do. I started going crazy in my brain it felt like bc I just kept jumping from different theory to theory, when I heard one that said aliens created us to mine gold for them and that the government is reptiles that’s when I realized I gotta do something and focus on something else 😂
i found the big realization was that "you are literally the only one thinking this crap and are therefor doing this to yourself" add that to your thoughts next time you've disappeared up your own arse lol helped me alot.
@@americankid7782 WRONG. if you actually did your own research, you'd know Jones was right WAY more than he was wrong. YES, including the lawsuit topic...lots of holes in the official story.
The scariest part of this video was when the Windows notification sound played at 4:40
FR I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME
ikr?
You mean 4:36
Ok so that wasn't me. Was wondering what the hell happened lol. I literally cursed thinking it was another fucking update.
me on my chromebook, sad bc i have a chrombook
The last bit about the bunkers and illuminatii reminded me of Vault Tech from The Fallout Series. I appreciate your thoroughness, and not sharing when you don't have enough information. Thank you for always keeping it interesting and adding warnings at the beginning of your videos.
The end of this video was genuinely inspiring. Thanks, wendigoon! You’re the man💜
Tell me “Florida man dies of venomous snake bite after founding religion about playing with snakes” doesn’t sound like a real article, you can’t.
in Alabama there’s some churches that use snakes as part of their sermon, like “God will keep this snake from biting me”
Doesnt sound like a real article...its not Florida enough...theres gotta be some form of drugs and a naked person in the mix.
@@BarcaPatrick9 "Floridian naked person on drugs dies of venomous snake bite after founding religion about playing with snakes", there, fixed it
Needs more lizard people, but otherwise spot on
@@casstone4132 I can’t remember what state it was set in, but there’s an Xfiles episode based off of this too!
My Dad did an audit for scientology in the 80s. It really freaked him out, so he never went back. They called him and when he said he wasn't interested, the person on the phone started asking who he was talking to and was essentially demanding him to give a reason as to why he wasn't coming back. In roughly 2015~, they called him at his work and invited him to a barbecue in another state. Keep in mind, hes hard to find. He's changed his last name, has drifted around a lot, doesn't have a social media presence, and has had a ton of other jobs. They called him again sometime later, too. Weird organization.
Apparently somebody else with my name signed up for a scientology program in a town I used to live in. I have been sent so much propaganda and recruitment shit from them including phone calls(no idea how they got my number) I always tell them to fuck off you have the wrong person! I was like damn did I sign up for scientology in some fever dream state or something lol they were persistent for years that I indeed did but I've never been associated with anything scientology related so it was very bizarre.
If they found your dad after all of these that means they have to use their connections in NSA or other government organizations. I don't see another way for them to find your dad.
This is terrifying, that is why you never even TRY to enter a cult, just turn away and run that is much safer for you.
Yeah stay the fuck away from Scientologists. They are actively malicious and will do *anything* to get their hooks in you. Don't talk to them, but if you do don't give them your name.
@@senjusan6359 yes, they do, all it takes is one member in any organization to get a request to pull data
they've gotten murder cases they've committed completely scrubbed by the LAPD and ignored, the case just gets "closed" with "no evidence" despite how obvious it is
They probably track him through his phones. They definitely have links to people in these fields.
As a past jehovahs witness, I'm kind of sad he didn't cover it more or at all. It's a cult that so many people think is just a religion. its very extremest, and its just.. yeah.
wrong
@@SSantanapngfym wrong
@@manuelserrano4697 read it again if you don't understand 🥱
Same here, people just don’t understand just how harmful it is from the inside.
@@Im9gen_ nah 💀
You know you gotta buckle your seats for a ride whenever wendigoon changes his wholesome message of "Hey, but I don't want to spread hate to this community, the acts of some aren't representative of the whole group!" to the other wholesome message of "So even if this group done that, this is not representative of the *whole religion* they branched off, so don't spread hate!".
just came out of a coma because the nurse told me there was a new wendigoon video fresh off the press
🥺
as one should
let's use that tactic on other people in comas
pog
I'm inclined to think you a fibbing like a fibster
How dare you pass over our lord and savior The Flying Spaghetti Monster
It was probably in tier two, dont worry my fellow pastafarianist
I see, fellow men of the noodle! May the Bolognese be with you.
@@VAVORiAL And also with you
LORD CHTULU
don't worry my fellow pastaferian! i think if he makes an update video he will be sure to mention our lord, the flying spaghetti monster. have a blessed day my brother!
Wendigoon i started watching u recently nd can not get enough i love ur views nd the way u talk about things u have taught me so much!
Rewatching iceberg videos because it’s nice to fall asleep too…. Very soothing voice.
“imagine you start a religion and you cant even make a football team out of it” PLS
legit had me dying
"Imagine you start a religion, and you can't even make a football team out of it!"
Imma steal this.
"Most Holy Family Monastery" has a baseball team. In fact, the "Superior" (superior my ass) and his brother, the Diamond Brothers collectively, don't go to church on sunday cuz theys gots to go to watch duh big game. They also have a piece of bread they claim is the eucharist because it hasn't gone bad or grown mold... it's just glazed. That's it. It's glazed.
Not dangerous, but they're around. And VERY active and observant on CZcams. For example, they posted a video on how ImJayStation was a Satanist "magician".
Christianity is the largest faith in the world and started with only 13 men, one of whom would later switch sides.
@@michaels4255 to be fair, that was his inner circle. Enough people believed in Jesus that he was executed by the state with support from religious authorities, in a time where many, many people declared themselves messiah with no repercussions.
I thought this was funny but I mean, I'm LDS and we started with 6 members. Small things can definitely grow.
I remember when i was 11ish being on call with one of my friends with him reading the wikipedia page on scientology and laughing our asses off because it started out semi-normal and just kept getting crazier as we went on
Man I wish this video was longer and went into more detail about all of these. I know that's a ton of work, but cults are so interesting and I've found NO other deep dive videos about any of these
The snake handler story is one of my favorites like the absolute irony of him saying people dying from snake bites are just not faithful enough and then dying from a snake bite is so funny
Lol, yep.
I mean, we kinda saw it coming lol
i have a friend whos parents were into the whole appalachian snake handling thing and he was telling me about how as a child in church they would literally force children(including him) to play with snakes such as pit vipers and rattlesnakes and told them that if they get bit it was gods will, he ended up in the foster system by like age 9 because his parents were batshit crazy so yeah
Holy shit that's terrifying
I hope your friend is doing well now :^( that shit sounds so awful
There was a church up the road from my house a few years ago and a man died from a rattlesnake bite because they prayed the venom out for him. Yeah. The church closed after that. They only had a handful of members (like 20 tops) but yeah.
Yeah WV is the only State that allows snake handlers. I asked them before why would a foreign Jewish war god save you from a snake? Odin tells me to have enough damn sense not to play with a snake and I won't get bitten.
very good disclaimer at the start, encouraging people to research what they're interested in is always nice.
I'm super late to this video. I love it! I'm surprised Palo Mayombe wasn't mentioned. Or the cult started by Adolfo Constanzo that used a lot of the Palo teachings. It's dark, but I'd love to hear you talk about them some day!
I don't know if this is weird to say, but I just love how this guy talks. He is concise, calm and speaks with clarity. I have ADHD so i find it hard to pay attention to videos that have little visuals, not to mention a 1 hour long one. He would be a great teacher, very easy to follow the topic even if I'm not familiar with the content.
Me too! I just realized I had been watching the video for over an hour.
Same!
I see a lot of people making comments about inaccuracies here and there but tbh I'd rather have a chill guy who's wrong from time to time than someone boring me to tears
Maybe it's the jump cuts?
Same !
the level of pettiness of the greek orthodox old calendar is honestly something i aspire to
Pure, unadulterated "fuck math" energy.
It's up there with the Buddhist "no, NO condiments" thing.
Bruh they just kept the calendar because they didn't want to have the same calendar with the catholics because they thought it was heresy.... They also call themselves the pure orthodox's i think because of that
Major bruh moment
Also quick edit: orthodox literally means true or right fate...
Orthodox comes from the ancient greek ορθός(orthos) which means standing or up but can be used also metaphorically as right and the word δόξα(doxa) which comes from the ancient greek word δοκώ(doko) which means receive, but δόξα can mean to honour someone or believe or to have faith in someone like a diety or something .
So Old calendars basically call themselves the "true-true believers" which is fucking hilarious.
@@FTZPLTC No condiments?
@@MolecularMachine - OK, so I'm not sure where I heard this and Google isn't helping, so it might be bullshit. But IIRC, there was some big split among Buddhist monks back in the day, because they weren't supposed to have any possessions or keep anything from day to day, including food. Some genius said "OK, but what about spices and stuff?", and I guess some monks said "Obviously that's fine", and some other monks said "Um, obviously that's NOT fine", and they had a big squabble about it.
Marcus Wesson lived just a couple blocks from my house when I was still in elementary school. Hearing about what he did when I grew up was a huge shock to me because my parents refused to tell me what was going on.
a lot of these deserve their own video Wendi, Glad I stumbled here 😂
I was shocked that there would be a cult based on icebergs, then I watched the first minute of the video and was like "oh"
Great now i can't stop thinking about a cult that worship icebergs
God sent the iceberg to destroy the titanic because the guy said "god himself could not sink this ship"
Same lol
LMAO
czcams.com/video/wc6x1KPQrvg/video.html
Heaven's Gate still has 2 members and a website that is running to this day
@First name Last name link or it never happened
@@mysteryjunkie9808 try it yourself
@@mysteryjunkie9808 Google is free lol
@@mysteryjunkie9808 Look up heavens gate and you'll find the website you idiot lmao
@@mysteryjunkie9808Use Google?
loved the video !! i'm sure you know there's so many more, you should cover the jms cult from korea sometime ☺️
Imagine being kidnapped by the cartel simply because you hold the opinion of "Kidnapping is bad"
in 5th grade my friends and i as a joke created a soup cult and we got a bunch of other kids involved and it went on for a while our rituals where we put this one kid (my friend Darin who was the smallest) on one of the benches and we would stand or rest on our knees and chant the names of soup brands and soup types while he danced around vigorously and get louder and louder till we all started repeatedly screaming soup till Darin was tired of dancing and sometimes id stand on the bench (cuz i was the nut case who founded it) and would read off the "soup bible" which where just pieces of paper that i printed the history of soup onto and whenever they served grilled cheese for lunch with tomato soup we'd all sit together at a table and give Darin the warm tomato liquid and bow our heads as he wolfed all of it down (it was like 9 bowls including his) the teachers didn't care as long as we weren't trying to sacrifice Darin and disturbing the other classes going on or if people where testing nearby. it was a yard about the size of half a football field in length with like 4 trees and a playground with some swings.
r/thathappened
@@yomela4850 I don’t even care this is like the funniest comment I’ve read all day
@@yomela4850 Bro you haven´t watched Recess or Kids Next Door? Kids do crazy stuff all the time.
This didnt happen so much, that it unhappened everything that has happened
@@yomela4850 half the people that reply r/thathappened to stories have lives so boring that they can't imagine other people doing crazy shit.
Moe Szyslak: "I was born a snake handler and I'll die a snake handler."
THIS WASN'T JUST A JOKE?
Frosty the Snowman is the Blood God Baphomet...
@@yourwrongloserhaha we need a 10th layer.
"say some gangster is dissing your fly girl you give em one of these"
Moe is an Ophiuchus confirmed
LOL, you haven't heard about the snake handling Pentecostal congregations in the Appalachians? Been around about a hundred years now. Just google them.
1:06:04 thanks for the bright message at the end of a very grim video, cheers!
you forgot Jeovah's witnesses, the biggest cult of all
As a Jehovah’s Witness imagine a banana appears at your front door how would you feel
I was raised in Tier 6. I had a 90’s childhood that I knew was not normal. I did what I could to get out as fast as I had the ability to. Living on my own at 17. I no longer have a relationship with my Mom and feel absolutely free!
Welcome to freedom!
Congrats man :D
Congratulations on getting out
Congrats and know your story is important
Sorry. My english maybe isn't that good. What do you mean by "raised in tier 6"? Do you mean you were in one of the cults that was shown in tier 6?
Lmao here in Greece, where most people are hardcore orthodox Christians, old calendar believers are memed pretty hard. You're right it's such a petty thing.
One of my old ex girlfriends was from Greece. Her whole family were old Hellenic pagans. I was a pagan too so we met in similar circles but most of Greece was really nice
@@CamdenKnightly we're one of the most hospitable and friendly countries and we love interacting with foreigners :) I'm glad you enjoyed it my friend
@@kostisk4019 great people and I’m so happy to visit! You’ve a great country and people my friend and I loved every second!
Tbh I strive for that level of pettiness
Ελλαδαρα μονο
Either there's a Windows error message in the first five minutes of this video or my computer which is running Linux is getting something on the side without telling me
Great video! Just finished your Blood Meridian recap. Which means that 9-hour conspiracy theory vid is def on the docket.
I’m back for a relisten >:) still so good dude
I can imagine that some of the dangerous cults are still alive to this day and may be watching this video, thinking they just got a massive shoutout.
ha i found you
YOUR EVERYWHERE
i saw you in akidearest's japan cult video and now here. suspicious.
hey get the fk out from my comments its a warning shot
Yoooo shout-out to ma dudes!!!! The ant hill kids!!!!!
/j
No idea if you’ll see this, but im egyptian. And the brotherhood is not a religious organization its more of a political party, they believe in an islamic government and they are aligned with turkey and qatar politically
He knows what the Muslim brotherhood is he just didn't want to talk about it cause they're controversial
@@wyattpavey9217 eitherway i thought id explain to anyone else that wanted to know who they are
@@slom844 Thank you! I was curious why he didn't explain it but I definitely get it now. Sounds very complicated and is probably impossible to summarize in such a short segment.
@@sunflower_sappho yea its a complex history with alot of political agendas in the way, deserves an entire video
It refers to Ikhwanul Muslimin right?
Excellent research you've accomplished. I think you'd make an impressive iceberg on the topic of Inventions and how some were found by happenstance, others through dedicated refinement. Some by remarkable individuals, and more by the actions of coordinated teamwork of groups guided by people stepping up to become leaders for a cause.
I’ve been on a binge watch of these videos and I gotta say, Wendigoon’s giggles trying to explain the absurdity of it all is really heartwarming.
But about the iceberg, moral of the story: High points in Charisma and low points in Empathy is a frightening combination. Add to that the ability to pull in people that are vulnerable… and well… you get all these cults.
For the record, for many years in scientology the alien beliefs were a secret that you could only learn if you assended to the highest spiritual levels (aka paying about $10,000), alot of it was about past lives and souls and finding out about past lives and souls through their special form of therapy
I wonder if that's an elaborate scheme to break peoples spirits.. making them spend all this money and doing so much bs over decades just to be told something like this. If you had any sanity left at that point that would send you over
The Master lol
@@buzzbuzzard3809 could be, personally I think they know that people would find it weird and they need to fully entrap people so that there's no way of escape after they learn this information, and the higher you rise in the ranks, the less liberty you have, the more brainwashed you are, the harder it is to escape
Someone's paid 10,000 here huh?
@@detts5082 I'd wager Tom Cruise contributed a bit more than 10k in total
Just wanna say, as an Igbo Nigerian man, “Igbo” is pronounced “E-bow”. The “g” is silent
I have been married to an Igbo man for awhile now, and I am still learning how to pronounce names or words correctly.
Thank you, I've been saying it wrong for years
Thank you! I couldn’t figure out how to pronounce it lol
Thank you for educating us
bow as in bow tie or bow down
I have listened to you for 9 hours straight before dude. No video you make is “ too long” 😂
25:42 LMAAAOOO NO I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING BECAUSE UR TAKE IS SO RIGHT 😭😭 "are you sure about this??" 💀
The Heaven’s Gate members having $5.75 in their pockets as a Huckleberry Finn reference actually has some interesting context behind it. Mark Twain was born two weeks after Halley’s Comet reached its closest distance from Earth, and later in 1910 when the comet was again nearing Earth, he died the day after it came closest to us. He was quoted in 1909 saying:
“I came in with Halley's Comet in 1835. It is coming again next year, and I expect to go out with it. It will be the greatest disappointment of my life if I don't go out with Halley's Comet. The Almighty has said, no doubt: 'Now here are these two unaccountable freaks; they came in together, they must go out together.”
maybe im dumb b whats the contrxt ??
@@powerswitch3625 There’s a line in Huckleberry Finn about needing five bucks and three quarters to catch a ride to heaven.
@@crisptomato9495
Well, I don't know about you, but I think it would have been better to just include that, or have it along with the Mark Twain quote.
@@Kirbini1 But that bit is literally already in the video, so why comment it again?
the 3 quarters is also due to making calls in street booths@@crisptomato9495
I'm so glad for this man. He's a Christian, and he isn't shitting on other religions. (that aren't inherently dangerous) he actually genuinely encourages his viewers to do their own research if they're interested in a certain religion. Thank you so much for your respect towards respectable people, dude :)
Then he's an actual Christian
Amen to that! My being Christian as well, I am very grateful that this guy is so chill and encouraging for others to make their own choices in their own free will. :D As it should be!
Chad Christianity Enjoyer
The Chad positive, tolerant, Christian values
@@thenexus8384
I'll second that Amen. Those who are confident in their faith can explore that of others to better understand their own. Respect free will as Jesus did and told us to.
Wow, I knew that the Hub & Hubologists from Fallout franchise were based off of Scientology but I didn't realize how cheeky they were about it until listening to your apt description. In just your first few minutes like damn 😂
When I was a kid, a Moonie came up to my mom and I while we were in a parking lot of a restaurant. He was odd and he wouldn't let us pass but was overly polite (asking if we heard of his religion.) When we finally got past him and got into the restaurant I asked my mom who he was and she explained about cults to me. I've been fascinated by them ever since. This was an interesting video.
Didnt the dude who invented the Moon religion believe that he was the second coming of Jesus?
@lemonyz420 I believe his followers thought he could talk to God and Jesus, which is why they followed him. He was sent down to earth to save humanity, so they thought.
@@shannondore And it's crazy that there's still millions of his followers walking the Earth right now
Everyone on the iceberg sub: Wendigoon is time for another iceberg video!
Wendigoon: Yes dear...
Unironically
"Hey son, did you get to talk to that girl you like? Lets go play catch."
hahah classic
@@Wendigoon lmao feels bad
@@Wendigoon I like ya new cut g
You missed the most fun part about cargo cults which is they often worshiped an American deity called something like John Frum or or Tom Navy, presumably from the Americans introducing themselves as John from America or Tom from the Navy.
PLEASE the languange barrier strikes gold
I heard about these people. I think there's another cult like this where they also worship the Queen of England......anyway.
@@lesteryaytrippy7282 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_movement
@@lesteryaytrippy7282 I'm pretty sure that's just British people
@@immcb2812 I apparently learned there's lots of cargo cults like there's one commemorating a US pilot and another who's into Prince Philip.
Very good and respectful summary of the People's Temple/Jonestown events. Just a heads-up: they didn't actually drink Kool-Aid (the real brand), they drank another drink that resembles Kool-Aid. Not that it really matters, but there you go.
LOL
I love the whiteboard in the background from the 'AI in a box' concept video
I was born and raised in West Virginia where the Snake Handling churches exist. There's a pretty infamous one locally, the current preacher still "handles" (abuses) the highly venomous snakes. His father was killed by a snake in the church. His father's father was also killed by a snake in the church.
They are literally the most idiotic people. I did a paper on them and it just astounds me how gullible and idiotic people can be.
The snakes dropping full squad wipes
Man, I can’t imagine how that current preacher’s gonna die, just can’t think of any possible way the snakes who killed both his father and his grandfather could EVER be his demise too.
who cares about the people what about the poor snakes? they're just wanting to go about their normal business being snakes
I was born in wv as well, and god it’s awful
NIXVM will always be a weird one for me because I met Allison Mack at a comic con like two months before all that shit blew up, and just so you know finding out a childhood crush from one of your favorite shows is helping run a sex cult is about as much of a mindfuck as you'd expect
OR AN OPPORTUNITY!!! 😂. Just kidding.
@@lenin17301560 I know too bad they only recruited women lol
That's about of a mindfuck as megatron yelling "no, I want two piece" while ripping an autobot in half
She's out now.
@@Teabonesteak And now nothing can stop me
42:50 its a hell of a sales pitch tho, you have to give them that.
Father Seraphim Rose talks about secret societies in his "Orthodoxy survivial guide" - amazing read, and great vid Wendigoon 👍
It's out of print (if it ever even was in print), but I think there is a PDF out there.
That Windows Notification at 4:37 confused me so much, especially since I'm on an iPhone lol
FUCKING SAME.
Same thing happened to me on my Mac 😂
If it wasn’t for South Park, not a lot of people would really know what Scientologists believe as they’re very secretive with their teachings. Good shit, Matt and Trey!
matt and trey supremacy
Fun Fact: in the credits, only four people are credited with all the roles, that being Matt and Trey and two fictional dudes. That’s because they expected the church to sue them for the episode, so they protected the crew by replacing their name with a made-up person, that way they wouldn’t be dragged into such a case.
I have said it before and will say it again south park is the greatest satire in the history of television and Matt and Trey are geniuses that have this skill of exposing the bizzare shit in our world but also making us laugh the clown jester at it's absolute best
Also when Issac Heyes had a stroke two Scientologist nuts snuck into his house and wrote Matt and Trey a letter against his will saying that he wants to quit the show RIP Issac Heyes and fuck Scientology
😂😂😂❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😢😢
Man, what I would give for Wendigoon to do an iceberg on the history of torture methods from the oldest to today’s torture methods.
9:35
Love to see at some point, you and the wonderful guys at the Lore Lodge do a bit of a comparison/explaination of sorts on the difference between Christianity, Judaism and Messianic Jews, because I remember the new testament is a large separation point, but not sure what other things actually separate them.
For the Jonestown massacre: There's a tape of some of the last hours where he's preaching to the members about killing themselves while many of the children are heard crying because they don't want to die or whatever they were told by their parents is gonna happen to them, it's harrowing. Also, there's a very cool band called Brian Jonestown Massacre.
I was watching an interview with a couple that hid, had to watch all their friends die from hiding. They said he had guys with rifles around the corrugation ready to kill anyone who refused to drink the cool-aid. So it was either poison yourself, or be shot to death.
Its really sad how many people were out right murdered in the massacre but common knowledge says they mostly committed suicide.
@@TheWhiteGoblin I think I would labelled it as "murder-suicide". Some mothers there actually accepted their fate, when the children drank the cyanide-laced flavored drink, and they died from it. But yeah, this seems that they lure themselves into suicide from murderous actions.
I actually listen to the whole like 30+ minutes of the tape until the end. It was actually chilling but in a terrifying way, that the members maybe allegedly forced to praise Jim Jones in "leading them into good life" because he was known infamously of brainwashing tactics around the cult. And especially the mothers screaming that their child is dying from drinking the "poison drink", and Jones had the balls to say "Mother please. Calm down. Wait for your turn" or something like that. And that final moments, when everything went silent and no screams were heard, was by far, the most terrifying part imo, gives me chills around my spine.
@@BooEntertainment2019 Some of the survivors talk about adults also being forced to consume the drink. Still the entire thing is a awful part of human history
@@TheWhiteGoblin Yeah, I think like half of them or more than half of them, wanted to leave the cult right, when Congressman Ryan issued like a count of wishing to go back to USA, but only like less than 10 or around 10 came back right?
R.I.P. Ricky Rodriguez, one of the many victims of the Children of God. This is the cult that River Phoenix was in as a kid and they have ruined so many lives.
Rose McGowan grew up in that cult too. Heartbreaking what happens to innocent children and adults blinded by fake acceptance/love/missions/etc
Merry Berg too. she was David Berg's grand daughter and unspeakable things happened to her because of him
@@keeeeeeerin Merry passed away a couple years ago. She was living with Ricky for some time during their childhoods and he saw what happened to her every day. Even when they grew up, he still had nightmares about her begging him to save her.
As a Christian, it’s crazy to me that people can claim they are “doing Gods work” and also doing blatantly evil things. KKK is my favorite example, as they are racist and anti Semitic whilst also worshiping Jesus Christ. So strange..
@@theMrTJF nation of Islam is racist too
By tier 5…. I thought the video was almost over. I give so much credit to you for doing so much research
I just realized where "drinking the Kool aid" came from. I didn't know that it's associated with the Jonestown cult
Fun fact : the audio from Jim Jones' last speech while people are dying is available on youtube, and it's terrifying.
"fun fact"
Not just people, but specifically the children. Almost all of the deaths audible on the tape are from the children because Jones knew starting with the kids would force the parents to kill their children and it would make it easier to die themselves. So they children were given the poison first, either by having it squired into their mouths from syringes or the older kids were told (or forced) to drink from the cups.
@L. Dyle Yep, you can find it easily and it's true.
Thanks! Your comment made watching this video worth it for me
@@miguelheat ??
Not everyone in People’s Temple willingly drank the kool-aid. Some members were forced, some were shot, and some were injected with poison. Also, the last few living members set up the bodies to look as though they died hugging/ holding each other.
Despicable. The depravity of the deranged.
Ever listen to the poisoning tapes? The worst bits are right before a cut, because it was getting really bad and Jim stopped the tape for a time. It gets quieter and quieter, which is to say, the screams are fewer until there's only music and ambient noises.
thats so fucking creepy holy shit
@@sweetpotatofries99 and all of the kids crying is so horrific
The fact that the last members Who survived positioned the bodies like that goes to show that they know their whole Belief system was bullshit. They wanted the world to think that they died happily, willingly and towards a noble goal. But they knew it was the total opposite. Scum of the earth that cult leader was.
36:39 this guys compound used to be abandoned and I was planning on going to check it out for a while until fairly recently when it was converted into a christian childrens camp/resort which is cool but exploring an abandoned cult compound would have been a cool trip with the boys
3 years late but a couple things about Rajneesh. They took over the town of Antelope, Oregon and renamed it to Rajneesh by members moving there and all voting to basically install its own members in its government. Their bioterrorism attacks were in the nearby larger town The Dalles, which is the seat of Wasco County in which both town exist.
I was in the 'children of god' till the age of 21. Many things about are similar to all the other cults but the sexual, physical and emotional abuse was intense. Im glad that the veil of secrets is being ripped away by folks like you talking about it.
Getting out of that must have taken so much resolve and strength. Genuinely hope that you’re in a healthy place now and that life is treating you well.
i'm so sorry you had to go through that. i hope you are doing well these days.
I know Kenneth framptons nephew
Yeah my parents left the cult when I was 9 and because we didn't live in a commune I think we were sheltered from a lot of it and I only found out about the truly horrific shit quite a bit later. Even so the older generation tends to be very defensive about whatever the hell they were even doing and I know you guys had it a hell of a lot worse.
Funnily enough I wasn't going to watch this video because I was like 100% they're going to talk about COG and just being reminded of that shit just gets me angry as fuck, but I saw your comment which kind of tells me that he's doing this respectfully to the people who were on the receiving end of all of this bullshit.
Like even giving them the absolute benefit of the doubt which is not what I'm doing, at *best* everything about COG was mind numbingly naive hippie bullshit which they had to know was going to go very wrong very fast, and at worst I mean, what actually happened. Like my own experience as a kid wasn't child abuse so much as being inundated with lit that was very blatantly damage control propaganda which I shit you not, attempted to write off getting caught for child abuse within recent memory as a literal conspiracy by the Antichrist. So yeah, I have no patience for the elders romanticising that period of time just because they personally happened to be in a home that wasn't run by complete psychos.
I really admire how you don't pretend to know more than you do and just admit when you don't feel qualified/comfortable to talk about something, it's something you unfortunately don't see a whole lot on the internet. It's also a sign of both emotional and intellectual intelligence when someone is able to be honest about what they do and don't know and what they can and can't talk about, so thank you for being honest with us in all these videos!
He could also just do better research
@@willybilly2712 sure, but these videos are entertainment and they’re clearly something he does primarily for fun. Also, he purposefully doesn’t go too in depth with every single point to keep the videos a reasonable length, and that means sometimes he doesn’t have all the facts so I’d much prefer him being honest when he doesn’t know absolutely everything about a topic rather than just asserting himself as an authority on everything.
@@jamesofglory he definitely does it for money lol and to that degree he kind of owes people decent content, which this particular video is not
@@willybilly2712 I mean if you didn’t enjoy it that’s valid, I just find it refreshing personally when a CZcamsr is upfront about not knowing/understanding something or not feeling qualified to make a judgement, because it shows respect to the people watching. He may be profiting off it but he chooses to research these topics because he is personally interested in them. He doesn’t have a team of researchers working for him, so I do understand if he doesn’t have a comprehensive knowledge of every single thing he researches. This is more of a summary of items on the iceberg after all, and there is so much mystery around cults and fringe religious groups already that its forgivable to not have a complete understanding of them. I think he handled the topics discussed with respect and care, which shows he is at least somewhat invested in making his content entertaining and informative.
@@willybilly2712 don't blame him, youtube sensors him to not be able to talk about certain things. Ofc he wants to make money, he deserves it for the time and effort he puts into his videos. and if you don't like it stop watching because you're giving him money. Blame CZcams if you have such an issue with censorship.
Random fun fact about the Bergholz Barbers that Wendi didn't mention: their leader happens to be named Sam Mullet. Fitting name.
I've actually seen an Appalachian Snake Church service first hand while I was visiting my grandparents down in Kentucky, I remember someone bringing out a snake but not much else.
"Babe I don't care that you're in labor, there's a new Wendigoon video"
Priorities.
i wouldn’t be mad
00:00 INTRO
*Tier 3 - **3:16*
3:19 - Scientology
4:23 - Nation of Islam
5:56 - Christian Science
6:19 - Levayan Satanism
7:34 - Amish Old Order
8:09 - Fulon Gong
8:42 - Hoodoo
9:18 - Messianic Jews
9:36 - ISKCON (The International Society for Krishna Consciousness)
10:20 - Gnosticism
11:02 - Opus Dei
11:24 - Kaballah
11:45 - Neo-Shamanism
12:09 - Srauta Hinduism
*Tier 4 - **12:32*
12:35 - Hardline [REDACTED]anon
13:09 - Five% Nation
14:01 - Moslem Brotherhood
14:16 - Peyote Religion
14:48 - Cargo Cults
15:36 - Church of Subgenius
16:17 - Chaos Magic
16:45 - Society of Ethical Culture
17:13 - Mandeaism
17:55 - Romuva
18:21 - Chinese Underground Churches
*Tier 5 - **18:51*
18:58 - Igbo Jews
19:19 - Christian Identity
19:48 - Raelism
20:29 - Wahhabism
20:43 - Aum Shinriyko AKA Aleph
21:33 - Santa Muerte
22:02 - Latter Rain
22:40 - Shugendo
23:10 - Dalit Buddhism
23:29 - Sedevacantivist
24:01 - Nuwabianism
24:36 - Cult of Angels
*Tier 6 - **25:04*
25:07 - Moorish Science Temple
26:05 - Fundamental Polygamous Desert Compound Mormons
26:57 - Ringing Cedars Anastasianism
27:38 - Appalachian Snake Churches
28:37 - Moonies
29:14 - Ravidas Path AKA Ravadisia
29:41 - Michael Teachings
30:12 - Anti-Israel Zionists
*Tier 7 - **30:32*
30:35 - Greek Orthodox Old Calendar
31:44 - Ghost Dance
32:54 - Branch Davidians
34:23 - MHFM (Most Holy Family Monastery)
35:11 - One Law Hebrew Roots
35:43 - Independent Scientology
36:36 - Rajneesh AKA Osho
37:35 - Freedomites
38:00 - The Source Family
39:00 - Reactive Satanism
*Tier 8 - **39:42*
39:48 - Bergholz Barbers
42:05 - Children of God
43:58 - People's Temple AKA Jim Jones' Cult AKA Jonestown
45:36 - Nicaean Heresies
46:30 - Siberian Old Believers
47:00 - NIXVM
47:44 - Soldiers of Heaven
48:10 - Lucian Pulvermacher
48:44 - Eastern Lightning
*Tier 9 - **50:33*
50:40 - Juhayman al-Otaybi
51:22 - Epstein Rituals
52:52 - Manson Family
53:06 - LeBaron Family
54:16 - NOI (Nation of Islam) White Ally Scientology
55:20 - Lev Tahor
56:28 - Worker's Institute for Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought
57:40 - Ant Hill Kids
58:55 - Marcus Wesson
1:01:28 - Heaven's Gate
1:03:15 - Unknown Bunkers
1:03:53 - Actual Illuminati
Feel free to let me know if I've missed any alternative names!
9 likes, sorry man...
You deserve more likes thank you amigo
This is the comment I was searching for
Thank you so much 😵
You, Mx Menacing, are a beautiful person
4:37 - got jumpscared by the USB unplugged sound lmao
The Chaos Cult symbol is literally the Chaos Undivided symbol in Warhammer 40k
The Chaos and Order symbols have existed for a while before 40k and Warhammer in general. Michael Moorcock created them both in the seventies I think.