Well, there's a huge difference between what communism was supposed to be and what actually happened. Ironically, what the Rabbi described as procedures around Tzadekah is actually the solution for what communism was trying to achieve: "From each according to their ability; to each according to their needs." This was the main goal of communism as outlined by Karl Marx and apperantly the Talmud has the solution. Too bad none communists would ever read it - that's why it failed in my opinion. It's roots were cut off - but there is no doubt that it sprung out of Judaism and its ideas about social justice. In my opinion, communism is about as Jewish as capitalism - one could say Judaism is neither capitalist, nor communisy; or that it's both capitalist and communist. Both are true if you ask me - it depends on how you want to look at it.
He covered mandatory by making it's parallel to income tax, etc. Torah does not take your cow leaving you destitute. 1/40 of Gates wealth apparently does not impoverish him.
Ethics and morals certainly can be explained in "Darwinian" terms. They are adaptations that allow humans to cooperate as groups, which contributes to survival. This is why they are universal to all human cultures, even those who never heard of the Torah.
How about we agree that "small scale" socialist practices is possible *within a nation that has a balanced/ mixed-economy (if not 110% ancap style free-market) , but the other way around is not possible. Libertarianism fosters the rights of individuals who want very little to individuals who think they have what it takes to wield huge sums of wealth. You don't have those options in an authoritarian/absolutist form of socialism. If some people out there want *their lives to be predicated on a socialist-economic model, then they need to save some money, group with some other peoples to buy property/land who want the same and who trust eachother enough to live with eachother and share whichever degree of wealth that they accumulate. Once this happens, let time pass and the "truth" of socialist praxis will reveal whether or not it can work for people just on merely the *domestic level, not the NATIONAL level !!!
Zakat is 1/40 of total wealth (not income) of every individual with certain minimal wealth given to the poor which is a different concept than the rabbi describes here. It is like Bill Gates is forced to give 1.5 billion dollars to directly to the poor individuals. This is a very different concept with distinct consequences on the the rich and poor.
I am no fan of Ayn Rand - but the Rabbi, like so many others who are not very familiar with the work of Rand - grossly judges her as uncharitable. The Rabbi's characterization of her as one who considers the giving of charity to the downtrodden as being "a sin" is a gross distortion.
@ellenfrancis67 Sounds like the demand side regulated capitalism we had under the New Deal in America, which produced the golden age of economic expansion and the world's strongest middle class. It also sounds like the system advocated by a Jewish Senator named Bernie Sanders, who will hopefully be our next President.
@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 I'm not trying to be "political" But, politics are out of place on this video comment section *However, since I replied to you:* imo …. This will be another election where the American people have to hold their nose when they vote for the candidate that they believe is the "lesser evil" :-\ Not that Trump or any of the other Democrats are any better … But … My personal opinion of Bernie is colored by his trip to the USSR (thereby giving it support; despite the murder of millions of people) AND His refusal to combat Hillary's de facto "coronation" by the DNC in 2016. I believe that both Hillary and her husband Bill are downright evil people! And should be opposed at every occasion. Note: I did not like Ron Paul for his bowing to Romney's campaign during the 2012 Republican primary (Maybe both R. Paul and B. Sanders were threatened by TPTB within their political party --- Who knows?)
L Mc Engels and Marx were Atheists.*** Both were also the sons of rich men who left their son a large amount of money. Neither Marx or Engels ever did an honest day's work (for wages) in their lives! Marx was a reprobate, spent freely and who neglected his family as well as having numerous affairs; including the housemaid (whom he got pregnant) Mrs. Marx ended up begging on the streets until Engels began to support her and the children. ***Engels grew up in a Pietist (very religious) Christian family; who were also uber-prosperous industrialists and landowners. Marx (the grandson of a lineage of rabbis) grew up in a secular, ethnic Jewish home. Marx's father was the first one of his family to attend a non-religious, public university (as a German citizen) Marx's father was a very successful businessman.
I've heard more about the NT being a social collective. They sold all they had in Acts. If you have two coats give one. Do not store up treasures that rust decays but store heavenly treasures. The young man who turned the invitation down to sell all his things and follow JC because his father was rich. I could go on.
Neither really. It has interesting things like competition clauses and land that reverts back to its heirs every fifty years if it has been sold both of which are like a mixture of the two ideologies. It has weights and measures laws and business ethics, and zteddaka laws. But it doesn't prescribe a capitalist society. Socialism is antithetical to many Torah ideas because socialism is less about economics and more about politics. What the Torah definitely feels strongly about is liberty for individuals and nations, free will and all that.
You mean the Torah feels strongly about dictatorships, theocracies, and enforced tithing? Because that's what the Torah espouses, as well as murdering homosexuals and killing people who light a fire on the sabbath. So if we're being accurate, the government system of the Torah would be a celestial dictatorship run by a theocracy.
It doesn't seem like you addressed any of my points. Want to try again? Or you want to ignore how immoral the laws of the Torah are? I don't mind having a conversation with you, but you're going to have to not throw around insults and use some actual logic. Either way, have a nice day :)
You didn't have any points, which my response was crafted to reflect. You are not interested in conversation, which means I'm not interested in you. But I will give you this advice: Instead of using the word "logic" to try and virtue signal, just employ its principles in your thinking and communication.
Okay, how about we start again? My points are that the Torah is immoral for supporting the murder of gays and people who make a fire on the sabbath. Care to talk about that?
God bless you 🙏.
Well, there's a huge difference between what communism was supposed to be and what actually happened. Ironically, what the Rabbi described as procedures around Tzadekah is actually the solution for what communism was trying to achieve:
"From each according to their ability; to each according to their needs."
This was the main goal of communism as outlined by Karl Marx and apperantly the Talmud has the solution. Too bad none communists would ever read it - that's why it failed in my opinion. It's roots were cut off - but there is no doubt that it sprung out of Judaism and its ideas about social justice. In my opinion, communism is about as Jewish as capitalism - one could say Judaism is neither capitalist, nor communisy; or that it's both capitalist and communist. Both are true if you ask me - it depends on how you want to look at it.
The manditory donation described is collectivism/socialism.
He covered mandatory by making it's parallel to income tax, etc. Torah does not take your cow leaving you destitute. 1/40 of Gates wealth apparently does not impoverish him.
Ethics and morals certainly can be explained in "Darwinian" terms. They are adaptations that allow humans to cooperate as groups, which contributes to survival. This is why they are universal to all human cultures, even those who never heard of the Torah.
How about we agree that "small scale" socialist practices is possible *within a nation that has a balanced/ mixed-economy (if not 110% ancap style free-market) , but the other way around is not possible. Libertarianism fosters the rights of individuals who want very little to individuals who think they have what it takes to wield huge sums of wealth. You don't have those options in an authoritarian/absolutist form of socialism.
If some people out there want *their lives to be predicated on a socialist-economic model, then they need to save some money, group with some other peoples to buy property/land who want the same and who trust eachother enough to live with eachother and share whichever degree of wealth that they accumulate. Once this happens, let time pass and the "truth" of socialist praxis will reveal whether or not it can work for people just on merely the *domestic level, not the NATIONAL level !!!
Zakat is 1/40 of total wealth (not income) of every individual with certain minimal wealth given to the poor which is a different concept than the rabbi describes here. It is like Bill Gates is forced to give 1.5 billion dollars to directly to the poor individuals. This is a very different concept with distinct consequences on the the rich and poor.
I am no fan of Ayn Rand - but the Rabbi, like so many others who are not very familiar with the work of Rand - grossly judges her as uncharitable. The Rabbi's characterization of her as one who considers the giving of charity to the downtrodden as being "a sin" is a gross distortion.
would communism have happened without jewish ideas/philosophy? and if not what is the specific link?
@ellenfrancis67 Sounds like the demand side regulated capitalism we had under the New Deal in America, which produced the golden age of economic expansion and the world's strongest middle class. It also sounds like the system advocated by a Jewish Senator named Bernie Sanders, who will hopefully be our next President.
@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
I'm not trying to be "political"
But, politics are out of place
on this video comment section
*However, since I replied to you:*
imo ….
This will be another election where
the American people have to hold
their nose when they vote for the
candidate that they believe is the
"lesser evil" :-\
Not that Trump or any of the other
Democrats are any better … But …
My personal opinion of Bernie is
colored by his trip to the USSR
(thereby giving it support; despite
the murder of millions of people)
AND
His refusal to combat Hillary's
de facto "coronation" by the
DNC in 2016. I believe that both
Hillary and her husband Bill are
downright evil people! And should
be opposed at every occasion.
Note: I did not like Ron Paul for his
bowing to Romney's campaign
during the 2012 Republican primary
(Maybe both R. Paul and B. Sanders
were threatened by TPTB within
their political party --- Who knows?)
L Mc
Engels and Marx were Atheists.***
Both were also the sons of rich
men who left their son a large
amount of money.
Neither Marx or Engels ever did
an honest day's work (for wages)
in their lives!
Marx was a reprobate, spent
freely and who neglected his
family as well as having
numerous affairs; including
the housemaid (whom he got
pregnant)
Mrs. Marx ended up begging
on the streets until Engels
began to support her and
the children.
***Engels grew up in a Pietist
(very religious) Christian family;
who were also uber-prosperous
industrialists and landowners.
Marx (the grandson of a lineage
of rabbis) grew up in a secular,
ethnic Jewish home. Marx's
father was the first one of his
family to attend a non-religious,
public university (as a German
citizen) Marx's father was a very
successful businessman.
@@here_we_go_again2571 I apologize for being political, and i agree with the vast majority of what you wrote.
I've heard more about the NT being a social collective. They sold all they had in Acts. If you have two coats give one. Do not store up treasures that rust decays but store heavenly treasures. The young man who turned the invitation down to sell all his things and follow JC because his father was rich. I could go on.
Amen gods law is perfect and just, in other words perfect love.
I live in a religious community where we live as one and hold all things in common, the way God intended us to live - as brothers and sisters.
Neither really. It has interesting things like competition clauses and land that reverts back to its heirs every fifty years if it has been sold both of which are like a mixture of the two ideologies. It has weights and measures laws and business ethics, and zteddaka laws. But it doesn't prescribe a capitalist society. Socialism is antithetical to many Torah ideas because socialism is less about economics and more about politics. What the Torah definitely feels strongly about is liberty for individuals and nations, free will and all that.
You mean the Torah feels strongly about dictatorships, theocracies, and enforced tithing? Because that's what the Torah espouses, as well as murdering homosexuals and killing people who light a fire on the sabbath. So if we're being accurate, the government system of the Torah would be a celestial dictatorship run by a theocracy.
Cry some more.
It doesn't seem like you addressed any of my points. Want to try again? Or you want to ignore how immoral the laws of the Torah are? I don't mind having a conversation with you, but you're going to have to not throw around insults and use some actual logic.
Either way, have a nice day :)
You didn't have any points, which my response was crafted to reflect. You are not interested in conversation, which means I'm not interested in you. But I will give you this advice: Instead of using the word "logic" to try and virtue signal, just employ its principles in your thinking and communication.
Okay, how about we start again? My points are that the Torah is immoral for supporting the murder of gays and people who make a fire on the sabbath. Care to talk about that?