How To NOT Install A Water Heater!! | HVAC Life
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You’re by far the best Technician I have ever seen. I’m on my 4th year in the field and admire the work you do
In Texas copper tubing for gas lines was outlawed long ago due to the formation of black chips which can mess up gas valves by introducing detritus.
That lineset cover is tight. I think the homeowner installed that water heater lol
Don’t be so sure. There are plenty of crappy plumbers out there.
That yellow gas line. Hahaha typical local company 😂😂👎
As a new comer to the HvAC trade, I enjoy your online mentoring. Thanks for all the educational information and advice.
I been doing pipe fitting for 2yr and this is definitely needed in my tools 🧰
Always impressive work and craftsmanship
Great video as always bro.
Nice clean install. Job well done!
Whoa that power flaring tool is neat. I have a traditional flaring block but wouldn’t mind getting one of those.
Clean ass install man. Keep it up!
Good one brother , good looking job👍
Awesome video! Do you think you could make a video sometime on tools people in HVAC should get when starting out? I have a general idea but it would be great to here it from you
Nice job and video
I gasped at that hot water tank lol
In my area we can't hard wire condensate pumps into the units. So I always put in a 4x4 box, connect power at the outlet, then break hot with a switch going to the furnace.
I like to do loop on the vinyl coming off the cone date pump just to make it easier for the pump to push the water every time.
VENTING WRONG ON FURNACE & WATER HEATER.
Yes, the water heater venting is not at a1/4" upward slope per running foot but the new furnace is not vented to National Standards (GAMA) as well.The problem is you vented an 80% efficient furnace to a exterior chimney without a flue liner. Even though your masonary chimney my pass the 7 X rule ,it's still an exterior chimney prohibited for use of an 80 plus furnace without a flue liner. You may want to review your GAMA ( Gas Appliance Manufacturers Association) venting requirements for modern furnaces & attend a class at one of the supply houses when one of the Furnace manufacturers or flue liner manufacturers are in your town for training seminars. You do great work but even the best of us only know what we know.
You all please stay safe out there and keep learning👍.
who gets a new natural draft water heater these days anyways
@@countryhick1011 of propane and natural gas water heaters sold over 85% are tank type natural draft. Source AGA & GAMA. Maybe in your neck of the woods it may be a little different (?).
Condensing units up here In sask are most common nowadays..mid efficiency units are usually direct vent or power vent...I just got my general gas ticket last year and the instructor said that the next code books that they publish will be getting rid of all the venting charts because of how little mid efficient furnaces and water heaters are being sold..so basically high efficiency condensing units are the new norm and I believe thr venting is to be installed to manufactures instructions.
@@countryhick1011 , your instructor is correct, the days of the low and mid efficiency equipment is slowly being phased out due to efficiency standards and global warming concerns. Here in the United States we or just a little slower to adapt then the rest of the industrialized countries. But in our defense we don't like giving up reliability and longevity of equipment just to get efficiency, plus we are somewhat cheap. So yes for replacement purposes we can still buy 80 plus furnaces, natural draft water heaters and 13 Seer air conditioners. Please note there are some states and municipalities that prohibit the installation of lower efficiency equipment. Once it's phased out we will have no choice in the matter.
Should have been 96% furnace installed and gave price to sleeve 3 inch dw all the way too water heater inmop but everyone has one lol
There's no way that water heater could pass inspection. Got to have rise on the flue. Doesn't matter if the previous one was the same, you install it, you own it, your responsibility to make the customer aware of how it's supposed to be and what the codes are.
And the pex pipe is touching the flue pipe
just want to ask to do refridgeration as well since your tile has hvacr
Question: why do you not prefer appliance connectors for the gas line instead of hard pipe to the shut off and the nipple coming out of the furnace after a drip leg
U do good job mike
Just curious, what was the reasoning on sticking with mid efficiency vs high efficiency for a retrofit?
That outlet looks really good
Keep up the good work. There are a lot haters out there.
I do it with a drill flaring tool works very well and I don't have to charge another battery.
Codes requires power venter for equipment and water heater in a basement with no garage door. Went thought that with Nashville codes..
How can you weigh in the charge?? on the ac if they come pre-charge for 15’ of line set
What's the best fix for that gas line on the water heater:
A/ Shorten the long vertical pipe so that you can get a short horizontal piece of pipe directly to the water heater?
B/ Replace the blocks with ones that would make the water heater gas connection line up with the existing gas line, and replace the flex line with iron pipe?
C/ Lower the water but still use the flex line.
Options B & C would help fix the vent issue too. Also, is it ok to use the yellow flex gas line on a water heater? I thought those were only for dryers and ovens.
The expansion tank was mounted wrong as well. It should be vertical with the shrader valve on the bottom.
As a county worker that does health, safety, & energy conservation including the installation of all appliances ie. HVAC, & HWH's would tag, and shut both appliances off untill that water heater is vented out, and tested properly. Any long term spillage of CO from the flue can be sucked in by the FAU and distributed throughout the house. Not good!
I know you do good work, but a duct test will never be at zero %. Plus with time, all systems percentages will increase in leakage.
The water, and gas line would would fail inspection too, but that's another topic.
If I was you, I'd cover my a$$ as a contractor and put CO alarms in every bedroom, hallway, and living space according to code.
Your work looks hella nice tho
At least in our area gas hot water heaters are required to be a minimum of 18" from the floor, so not sure I agree with the blocks being too high (it is scary that the blocks are not together and are open end up). That said I would have used a shorter heater due to height restrictions or moved heater to somewhere it which would have let me get a good rise on the vent. Just changing out one of the pipe nipples on the down pipe and adding a union and a couple of short nipples would have allowed the unit to be hard piped to the regulator straight and plumb. Also agree with another post about 18" of metal inlet and outlet required here as well.
I know it's not in the front room on display, but have some pride in your workmanship. Customer should have them come back and point to the furnace and say "make it look like that".
Sure others have their opinions and or corrections! Thanks for sharing this example of both extremes of workmanship!!!
Hey man. What’s work like in Tennessee? Currently in low country SC but looking to move in about a year
You should do more training videos on installs and service and recommend books and training
Do you like this flaring tool better than the NEF6Li?
Still looking for the AIREX Titan link below you promised, did I miss it?
It should be there.
So true about your work do it right first.
Dude I’m from russellville ky just got into hvac, it’s a apprenticeship from knights electric. Would love the opportunity to work for you & learn the trade. I’m 20 don’t have much experience but would love the opportunity to learn fr idk mane like you just popped up on here😂 but you seem professional
c vent from water heater needs 6” clearance, should have 18” of copper off the tank for proper clearance for mid efficiency, im canada
I was thinking how do you mess up a water heater but wow that’s a bad install. That gas line is making me mad lol
Making flares on a 90 are finally an easy task. I like it.
Shouldn't the flue pipe on the furnace have a minimum of 12" rize before you put a fitting ?
That’s the difference between a CRAFTSMAN vs someone who “does” plumbing. The Trades are an art too.
100%
Do ya charge extra to work on funky color houses
Tip: For the lineset cover, leave it out in the sun and it becomes stretchier to make a clean bend. *Only works in warmer seasons
Same goes for electrical whips
What is blue tank on top of water heater
That water heater is sketch. Most code called me a minimum of 18” of metallic pipe on hot and cold (inlet and outlet) on water heater connections. The flue and gas are junk too like you said
You have to have 18” minimum on the water lines to the water heater before you transition to plastic from copper.
Why is that? I’ve had pex installed for years with no issues. One on a water heater that is seasonal. And another that is used every day!
@@mainelyelectric it’s code Pex will melt with heat
@@ozarkbassfishing where’s the heat coming from? And why have I not had any issues with pex?
codes actually 8inches on hot and cold
@@justinreed7093 wrong. Here is the UPC section and words. Clearly says 18 inches
604.11.2 Water Heater Connections. PEX shall not be installed within the first 18 inches (457 mm) of piping connected to a water heater.
Water heater also needs rigid pipe on the pop off valve shouldnt use pex or pvc
Nice
A stainless ziptie on that titan outlet may look even cleaner
They make the same size water heater is a shorter wider version for this reason. The heater has to be a minimum of 18” off the ground. They also sell stands for the heaters.
As an old plumber here it chaps me to see shotty installs.
I can install correctly as fast as a slob plumber can install incorrectly.
I've never seen a water heater 19 inches off the floor
18 inches
That cushion tank on the HW heater should be vertical with the air valve on the bottom aswell.
Preferably but not mandatory
That’s special gas that needed to be flowed through curve before it goes to the gas valve on water heater lol
Love this dudes videos and respect 100 percent I respect the hustle but dont say your not packing the the glaring block. That process takes just as long.
You should’ve offered them a quote to paint their hideous colored house!
That water heater is going to start melting the plastic around the hot and cold ports. 90s going to rust out first too. Don’t know how it passed if mechanical got inspected. Id get those guys back to fix it. Pretty sure the booklet it came with will say it needs 1/4” per foot rise. Back drafts real
Great job as usual zack, i do like your work but word of advice, Resist the urge next time to criticize another trademan's work openly, let the work speak for itself.
As for the tool, its aite, a bit bulky for tight areas and for the price my manual block works amazingly.
In any case keep doing clean work.
I was thinking the same thing about the flaring tool " too bulky for my liking", I'm in too many tight areas.
Elbow on the supply is gonna dead head.. looks real clean tho
The copper lines on the top of that water heater should be a minimum of 18 inches before it goes to PEX.
UPC 604.11.2 Water Heater Connections. PEX shall not be installed within the first 18 inches (457 mm) of piping connected to a water heater.
Need 18” on expansion tank
Hello sir I want to work with u.
Hey what’s your code for TruTech tools?
qualityhvac
I'm all for tools that make life easier but the flare tool looks big.
Yeah, that seems over kill for making flares
Where is all the snow and ice???
We cannot use that flexible gas connection on any appliance, besides a stove, here in Toronto, Canada.
We do use a lot of Gastite though. Love that.
Since when is using copper tubing for a gas line code compliant?
It’s the sulfur content in the gas
@@stokefire7 , you are correct. I'm happy to say that most of the Natural Gas Utilities today are blow that .03 threshold for sulfur content. So copper is okay as long as your local jurisdiction and gas utility approves 👍.
You should throw a tee on that coil pvc drain
The water heat installer was like F it let’s get out of here with as little be of work as possible
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Badass! Now they should have no shortage of CO inside their home!
Says he had to do a flare is a tight spot. Grabs the most bulky flaring tool. Lawl.
Cool bro
Insulate that vinyl tubing if that basement will remain unconditioned!!
Expansion tanks need to be vertical or else they won’t do there job and it’s a waste of space
They work regardless of orientation but I can stress the pipe especially pex and cause a fitting to fail
They can be put in any orientation. Go look up Watts Potable Expansion tank installation instructions.
@@keenanmurray3306 I’ve always been total by the master plumber I worked for to never have them orientated like that. And always keep them vertical
Depends on the manufacturer. Read the installation manual. They vary on proper orientation. Learned the hard way.
Nice video pointing out the sloppy water heater installation. Not professional at all .
Also have to give you a big thumbs up 👍 again on the tools 🛠!!!!
That has to be the most complicated flare block I have ever seen. Just get a blackmax flare block that doesn't require 14 moving parts to make a flare.
Why not use a gas flex line instead of copper tubing. I simply will not use copper inless I have no choices
When's the next give away my man😬
You can’t have pex that close to a gas water heater. You need 18” of copper.
Bends are too tight for Gastite (they’d have something to say about that), flue pitched downward, footings of hot water tank looks not stable enough (it’s fine now but give it a few years and it will shift), and there has to be a minimum length of pipe going from hot water tank to expansion tank, plus with that style of expansion tank it works best when installed with the water inlet on the bottom. amateurs
Everyone in to much of a hurry, no pride in the work on that water heater.
I love watching these videos but it drives me nuts that in February he can be out working in a t shirt and I’m over here bundled like an Eskimo.
Another reason to love the South!
Another cold front is moving down south so he’ll be wearing a coat very soon. BTW, it’s 64 degrees right now in Houston.
Surprised you didn’t go with a 90+ furnace. I’ve seen so many bad water heater installs.
Why do u need that guy to wire it?
I don't think you have enough Milwaukee packouts...
Me either...
Wow! That definitely looks like a company that pays employees by the job. Just slap it in there as fast as they can 🤦♂️
You can't have pex that close to a flue pipe
If an HVAC tradesman can't make a proper flare with a normal flaring tool, then they don't deserve to be in the trade.
Haha no doubt.
@@maness2112 it seems nowadays there are more and more tools that do your job for you. Megapress, and Propress are taking over for soldering and threading. Seems like that's all I see now 😂
This was clickbait. You tried selling us a couple things and gave us an ad in the middle. You hardly talked about the water heater.
How bout the plumber could have taken 10 minutes to put some pipe insulation on the hot water piping?? Good grief!
Come-on man that water heater is too high. 4" by 30 block
Lousy work.
furnce job is brutal also . buy a brake .
Good grief that water heater job was bad. Stack pipe running down hill and a long run on top of that; just bad.
No skill in flaring anymore,neat tool though.
It's over watching tom brady will n again
Where’s the 18 inches of copper into and out of the water heater. Lazy sloppy job. Why not take the extra hour and drop it down to the level it needs to be
WHOA! STOP. DO NOT EVER CRITICIZE another contractors work, EVER! Why?? YOU can get SUED! It's called: 'Poisoning a Contract'. Meaning, it does NOT MATTER how bad the other guy's work is. IF you give ANY NEGATIVE info about his 'WORK PRODUCT', TO HIS customer, in ANY way, shape or form, then HE has RIGHTS to SUE YOU. HE will WIN, and YOU will be PAYING HIM for damages, court fees, attorney fees, etc., etc. DON'T ever talk SHITE about other's 'WORK PRODUCTS', PERIOD!
$325? To make a flair. Lol no.
that is an ugly water heater install
That water heater is awful I think a 10 year old could have done a better job on that 😂😂