Street Fighter's Banned Mid-Tier Character
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@Groisu facts, you see EX2 Plus the most, I wish EX3 had a scene but its PS2 only so it never really had a chance
Who is Evil Raiyu?
Every time someone pronounces Ryu's name as "Raiyoo", a Dragonpunch gets another startup frame.
I was going to post a variant of this, so have a like.
Every fucking time. It always bothers me lol
Americans cant pronounce a simple “ri-yu”
I seriously doubt that any of you pronounce the Japanese word 龍 correctly to begin with so Rai Yoo is perfectly fine.
@@iuuuuutubi No, because that's not that guy's name. And please don't presume to know what I can and can't pronounce, pal.
You wouldn't know that "Worcester" is actually pronounced "Wooster", but that doesn't mean saying "Worse-Ass-Terr" is OK.
The true evil is not knowing how to pronounce "Ryu" in current year. XP
Some people just really like Rye bread
Steve Aoki has the same problem and he was on the Winter Update in current year... and had Japanese parents.
Yeah, I hear Rye-Ooh, and my skin crawls, can’t help it
The Ryu pronunciation dilemma also has a secret boss... the real Japanese way of saying the name is similar to ‘Yu’ as their pronunciation of the R (which is also close to an ‘L’ sound) is almost silent! Think I’ll just stick with Ree-Yoo for now 😅
Using emoticons in current year is the true evil 😉😂
Ryu's got a nice looking tan
akuma let him use his tanning bed
Bruh 😂😂😂
Rockin that pre-timeskip Nico Robin look.
@@mostverticalproductions4808 Man, I miss that design
And that was Evil Ryu's characterization then, a tanned Ryu with a bad attitude, unlike Capcom vs. SNK 1-2, Namco Vs Capcom, Super IV Arcade Edition, and Snk vs Capcom Millenium Match, where he is depicted as a devil awakened.
I do love when goofy, otherwise uninteresting mid-tier characters have that one, ONE quirk about them that makes you have to rethink a core system and allows for an unexpected strength. Evil Ryu being able to basically stagger from anywhere on screen while entering "Kick people's ass real good" mode definitely fits that bill.
Dedede’s gordo
The raging demon may suck in alpha 2, but evil ryu don’t care, he’ll make his OWN raging demon
Damn the alpha SF's had such a great visual style
Yup
I was paying a ton of attention to all the gorgeous backgrounds during the game play clips. Man I miss them.
Alpha 2 had the best sprites to this date. It's what inspired the MvC 2 Visuals
Hell yea, it got carried to marvel vs capcom 1 n 2
Not as good as SNK, Garou is the best looking game of it's time.
There was nothing cooler than when I walked into the arcade and when I go my turn at Street Fighter Alpha, I went to random select and got Akuma. The crowd of about 15 people were all like, "OHHHHHH!!!!", with more oohs and aahs to follow at all his different supers and his juggle combos, dive kick and demon flip.
That's gotta be so epic, never been to many Arcades as a kid but they sounded fun.
@@xmarksthespot1372 makes me so sad that arcades are dead, I'd have love to play 3rd Strike with random people at the arcade.
@@rentalsnake6542 I mean Dave and busters and all of that are technically arcades, but I get what you mwan
Yeah, this totally really happened!
@@robertcoulter2429 Yes, it did.
Ryeyou and evil Ryeyou sounds like a great shoto, hope they bring him back in SF6
Ryeyou did show up in Fortnite
Umm actually it's pronounced "wee a boo"
Who is Raiyu and E. Raiyu?
In Japan it was always pronounce Ree-you but in America most pronounced it Rr-eye-you. It's all good. I am of the latter camp.
@@planetdee3587 umm... what? nobody in asia (east asia) let alone Japan pronounce Ryu as Ree-you, everyone pronounce it as Ryu even those that language isn't splintered off from proto chinese such as indonesian or thai
One of the notable differences E.ryu has is his red fireball, unlike ryu or akuma where its on a different input, for E.ryu his normal fireball starts as a red fireball for the first few frames which knocks down and does a lot of stun (i think it stuns ryu in 3 fireballs). You see the fireball change from red to purple if you shoot it from range.
The red fireball should in theory connect on most characters where the dp doesnt work as you showed.
Normal Ryu actually behaves the same way. It was changed to a separate input for both Ryus in Zero 2 Alpha.
Ah yes...."Raiyuu" my favorite character from streets
What parallel universe is this?
Shhhh. It's how we pronounce it over here
Oh shut up lol do yall flip ur tongue when pronouncing the r like proper Japanese either? Didn't think so
@@Scorpio7500 .....yes? I mean thats how u do it fr. I dont pronounce english like an asshole just cuz it aint my first language.
@@kevincarter2020 doesn't mean it was right
For those curious about the cameos on Ken's stage
From left to right the characters are: Lord Raptor, Hsien-Ko and Mei-Ling from Darkstalkers, the two Unknown Soldiers from Forgotten Worlds, Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers), Jumbo Flapjack and Biff Slamkovich (Saturday Night Slam Masters), Eliza (Ken's wife), Ginzu and Captain Commando from Captain Commando, Michelle Heart (Legendary Wings), Strider Hiryu (Strider), Linn Kurosawa (Aliens Vs. Predator), Felicia (Darkstalkers) and Pure the Mage from Capcom World 2. The butler on the far right is the capcom founder Kenzo Tsujimoto.
Lynn Kurosawa is the shit in capcom alien vs predator 1994.
I knew some of those just not all
@@jamessimmons3921 yea, that game needs to be released
@@MB-hd6uv agreed
@@jamessimmons3921 I played that awesome game back in 1994 when it was new. Damn, that was a cool game and the Predators had these ultra-cool "ultra gravity slams" that can squash the Xenos like the oversized bugs they are.
I love that older games like this still have developing metas. That's a kind of magic you can't get when the entire community shuffles over to the newest release very couple of years
Every time he says "Rayu", Capcom makes parrying one frame more lenient.
For the extremely impatient: the actual reason is at 7:28.
Yeah gotta say, this whole video is irrelevant fluff. Was kinda disappointed for that payoff.
@@JoeJoel lmao
Thank you, you save my 8 minute of my life just want know the reason behind of it, it's fine to give some history but when the title about ban character like this just give me the reason with some brief history for taste.
Thank you!
@@JoeJoel joe mama
A banned Mid-Tier? That's a new one. What's next, a banned Low-Tier? Anyway, great video! Commenting for Le Algorythm
It is probably common in cases with exclusive characters. SoulCalibur 2 just decided to ban all three console exclusive characters. They may have made two of them okay for the HD port, but Link is obviously missing.
I think Eliza was banned in Tekken 7 at the beginning as well since she was preorder exclusive for some time. It is just easier to ban than expect everyone to have practice or all setups to have the characters and run on time.
@@thelastgogeta That's fair, I guess it's better than fighting against characters you know nothing about in a competition
Its not exactly as estranged as it seems- in particular when considering tag fighters.
In KoF 03, Hinako was the only non boss character to be banned in any tournament simply because of her high stun values. Her stun values led to her being synergistic with several flex picks, in a game where grabs, lows and swap attacks are more than just different.
She's top 10 at best, and upper mid tier on an avg.
The Miis in Smash 4 would be banned high, mid, and low tier characters due to them being banned because of the logistical nightmare that was setting up miis to make sure that they had a standard size
Lowtiergod "Get that ass banned!".
ITS NOT RYE-EW ITS RYU
This was genuinely interesting to hear about.
Stumbled across this video after watching a deluge of Street Fighter V competitive videos.
Want to express how much I appreciate the clarity, precision, and cadence of your voice - both audibly and mentally. And it's actually possible to breathe during your videos!
As an armchair fan currently without a console, who appreciates but has never excelled at the SF games, this is the kind of video that keeps me connected to my childhood obsessions. Had no idea about Evil Ryu's flaws despite playing as him during innumerable bouts against old friends. Explains a few losses! :D
What CZcams is all about for me.
Everytime you say "Raiyu" a part of me dies
"Evil Ryeoh"
The pain...
That's what makes it evil huehuehue
Yeah, the pre-internet way of pronouncing his name. I’ve always preferred that to the actual pronunciation and still call him that.
People been saying it like this for YEARS. I'm 28 years old so hearing it being said like that isn't new. Haha Shoot, Justin Wong still says his name like this and he's been playing SF a vast majority of his life.
@@Noplayster13 nah just english speaking countries.
here in germany they call him correctly REE-U.
Just like in every other country except the US and UK.
@@johanns7302 We are speaking English, correct? I figured that “in English” was already implied by the context.
Obviously I wasn’t talking about other languages.
Amazing Evil "Raiuh" combos.
WHAT-
DARKSTALKERS CAMEOS!!!
Stating at 2:48 (so you can see them all in order)- from the left to the right, you can see Hsienko and her sister in dresses (the girls standing side by side in the pink/blue and yellow dresses), Morrigan (obvious, but it's the mint green haired woman with the navel showing blackish purple dress in front of the table slightly right of the girls), then at 2:53 you can see Felicia straight ahead in the pool.
What a lovely Easter egg, I hope Darkstalkers will get revived some day... ^^
No no, Ken just hired REALLY good cosplayers.
There's also Lord Raptor in his human form playing guitar.
So, after 25 years I realized Ken's stage is a cosplay party.
Ken hired some really good cosplayers (also the president of Capcom at the time all the way on the right, as a butler)
Take a shot everytime time he mispronounces "Ryu"
no thanks i enjoy having a functional liver
@@randyshottonight35 If I gave you money, would you do it?
"Woooooow! My head is spinning!"
- Tails, Sonic Heros
Better than mispronouncing Say-ga as See-ga.
I defend Rye-You forever!
you know, not speaking either english or japanese as a child, and not being particularly good at reading, I thought his name was Roy while playing it on the super nintendo.
I also thought Guile's name was Gullie.
i remember when sf anniversary collection came out on ps4 and u could play ranked match as akuma in ST...im so sorry to everyone i hurt. xoxo im a changed man now.
who knows, maybe they did something to deserve it :V
keyword: MAYBE
Gotta get in the Leaderboards at any cost, right?
Damn, I began to think "Ryeyou" is a must-ban to every British English youtuber.
You and Top Hat Gaming are grinding my ears off every time you pronounce "Ryeyou"...
The video is in English (not Japanese).
@@badcp455 Even most of English-speaking people FIXED that pronuntiation.
To me, "REEYU" sounds like a very american pronunciation. Since in the UK we tend to gravitate towards "I" sounds insted of "ee". It makes sense to me that local arcades in the UK since Street fighter's inital launch have pronounced it that way, and thats why the UK at large knows it as "RIYU"
(Plus it just sounds better 😉)
@@DankSpoony It doesn't sound better...
@@DankSpoony It really doesn't. But if you pronounce the Shoryuken as "Show-rye-you-ken" I'll at least commend you for consistency
It's pronounced "Ryu"... not "Ryu"...
5:08 "Normi Ryu" 😂 thanks for the laugh. Had to go skip back to make sure my ears weren't playing up lol
not Ryu... Normi RAIYU 🤣🤣🤣, that was worse and funny.
😅😅😅
So for over 20 years I never knew he wasn't in the original Japanese version.
If I'm not mistaken, Evil Ryu was also more iconic in the West due to that one Street Fighter movie Tom Cruise was in.
@@areaxisthegurkha What...? I don't remember Tom Cruise being in any Street Fighter movie.
@@KanzukiHe's not. I think it was just a shit attempt at a joke
@@iaincowell9747 he is
@@iaincowell9747 I swear to god I remember watching that shitty movie
I genuinely feel bad for kids that didn't get to grow up in a pre-internet era, when the playground was this bottomless well of rumors and lies that could never be confirmed or denied.
"Did you know if you beat Mortal Kombat II ten times in a row without getting hit you can play as naked Lara Croft??"
Oh man, I remember trying so hard to unlock Sheng Long in the original SFII
Awesome vid! Never knew the history of A2 E.Ryu. good stuff.
Awesome video dood, I do miss the days of secret arcade characters. I remember being told stories about Akuma, even seeing it for myself the first time was really cool.
Why is he considered worse than ryu though? Everything you listed seemed like they would at least make him the same tier as ryu, if not better. Are the multi-hit shoyuken and lower health really enough to make him tiers worse?
Lower health is always a big deal. In an even match you're gonna be trading blows a lot, that's just how it goes with evenly matched opponents. If one person has less health, well... that's attrition, baby!
Ryu’s regular shoryuken is a better anti air and his damage output is better.
Also health is a big deal when you have characters like Chun-Li.
@@weedandwater ah, I was under the impression that E.Ryu had a higher damage output
Wait, alpha 2 had air blocking? Does any other street fighter have this?
Alpha 1 and 3
Only in the Alpha series but it's a shockingly interesting mechanic.
Only Alpha series, but I think we should have a new Alpha game
Capcom vs SNK 2 has it also evne thought it's not a traditional SF game.
@@Not_Astrocat Capcom won’t make a new entry to an old sub-series if it’s not SF2. At best, we may get something like a ‘HD Remix’ Alpha game one day.
I've been learning Alpha 2 recently; you have uncanny timing mate.
This is a really cool topic -- if you don't already have one I'd love to see a follow up video on how explored Evil Ryu is 3 years later.
Hey just wanted to say that I love the content! Thank you for introducing me to more fighting games that I now want to explore and play for myself.
That's awesome
Good comment!
For a fighting game CZcams channel, how you gonna mispronounce the most famous fighting game character? Back in the day, sure. But 2021 with internet and proper voice acting in gaming? Blows my mind!
ikr?
Bruh, your channel is wild
Keep it up
I really like the filter on this video (if there is one) hard to tell if it’s not direct arcade capture given it’s also the correct aspect ratio. Footage looks really nice
What do you call the genre of video you make? Fighting game analysis I suppose, but there’s a lot of these types of channels and I love them
I think the general term might still be "video essays/editorials" even though these are way smaller than standard video essays.
@@kholdkhaos64ray11 I love these type of things and just want to watch everyone that on the internet they are so interesting
That's not an entirely accurate explanation of the Valle CC. Valle CC is activating while the opponent is still standing and is unable to block low and gets swept. it doesn't have to do with blowback. Generally, when the Valle CC happens is when the opponent is just within sweep range and is caught standing. They are not close enough for blowback to matter.
@Sir Solid Snail You avoid it by 1) not getting into that range, 2) baiting it by walking forward and blocking low before the activate. You might be able to also counter CC but timing is strict.
@Sir Solid Snail I'm sure that's how a lot of people felt when Valle first discovered it and using it on them. Probably thought their controls were broken. The reason why it happens is because the game doesn't give the person enough time to go into the crouch block animation before the attack comes out and hits them. So when someone has CC, it's always dangerous to be standing within their sweep range. You have to be ready to counter CC or try to bait them to waste their meter.
Very informative! Thanks!
Fantastic video, I had no idea Evil Ryu was USA only. I'm gonna be using christmas break to try to learn some SFA2, I've been watching the WNF SFA2 tournaments and it looks super fun.
Could you make a video talking about Corner pressure in fighting games?
I've had almost zero experience with the Alpha series, and every time I see how gorgeous and cool it looks, I vow to rectify that.
Great video mate, subscribed just off the strength of this one vid. Do you play marvel vs capcom? I'd love to see some content about that from you. Right, im off to binge watch your channel 👊👊👊
Took 7 minutes to get to the actual reason.
What a journey.
That hit me, SFA2 is 25 years old....Jesus, I am old af.
I remember playing this in the arcade, on Super Nintendo and again on Mame about a decade later.
I liked how E. Ryu's specials actually functioned differently in SFA2 compared to regular Ryu. In SFA3, the moves were literally identical and he just had additional moves added. In order to balance him out in SFA3 they made his moves deal less much less stun damage, and I think his stun meter was also lower (a la Akuma) but don't quote me on that!
Edmond Ryu
Having a harrier in the background is so badass
Subbed, I'm glad I found another great fighting game content creator.
Just as I was bored, new vid
This type of content is inspirational. I hope you reach 100k this year.
I love the fighting game theory! Can you go into KOF? It's a bit niche, but I'd love your take on them!
I've never used custom combos in Alpha 2 before. I knew about them in SFA3, but only realized them since seeing your Rose video.
ooooooh you featured Grant in this video’s intro, my man
I remember when mvc1 came out in arcades the liquor store by my school had it and i was the only one who knew the roll code lol everyone didnt have any codes until the owner got them from japan lol yeah roll lmao
Great video.
Alpha 2 revival, indeed! The first FPGA implementation of the original hardware releases tomorrow.
"Next question: In Street Fighter Alpha 2, Evil Ryu was banned in tournament play for 25 years because..."
"He was overpowered?"
"..."
"He needed to... be accessed with a secret code?"
"..."
"He was... too... similar to Akuma?"
"..."
"...his blowback was too large?"
"He was only in the American release"
"Are you fu-"
Who the hell is Rye-you?
I remember being in a group at the Arcade and we all watched for the first time a accidental Fatality performed on Mortal Kombat the Cheers were so loud it echoed through out the Mall, I know these are Hidden Characters but if someone were to see Evil Ryu for the first time I think it went something like that.
I was in the scene when Alex unveiled the Valle CC against John Choi. I can't believe people are talking about it still.
how do you pronounce ryu wrong but shoryuken right
I was just playing this dude in Arcade mode yesterday lol
Also, I like the concept of EX characters shown with Dhalsim and Zangief in Alpha 2, but I've barely seen anyone cover this.
Also, the japanese version of SF30th collection has the American arcade versions as well as the Japanese version iirc. So when we can get together again, there might be a possibility that Evil Ryu can be unbanned even in in-person Alpha 2 tournaments. Just my cup of tea though, I'm nowhere near a beginner when it comes to in-person fighting game tournaments.
"Evil Rye-ooh"
Bro. Why. I mean... I really liked the vid, but... Just why.
He grew up playing it before the internet became a thing. Then, when he learned that it was actually pronounce reeeyou, he just said “yeah, no. That sounds stupid. Ryeyou for life.”
At least if he is anything like me :)
@@Noplayster13 P A I N
@@KurosakiNaturo You wanted to know why man. Be careful what you wish for.
Neat video! Thanks for uploading!
When you notice the framerates from 25yrs ago looks better than the street fighter of 2021
How?
I think this might be a good moment for me to start exploring the Street Fighter Alpha games.
It seems like a full branch of the franchise I'm missing out here that could be extremely fun to me.
watching videos like this is the sort of shit that inspires me to write fgc movesets for my own characters. having to think about options, ranges, counterplay, all makes it so fun to design these kits
Puffy Puff sounds like tons of fun, good for you...😎 salutations from California.
GNARRRLLYYY ~ another fckin awesome video
super video man!
the only thing i ddin't like is how you pronnounce RYU.
The rest is PERFECT! 🙌🙌🙌
I appreciate you working hard to support the gaming community.. great work.
Heh, I had no idea that Evil Ryu used to be an US arcade only character
honestly same
id love an explenation in the changes from alpha 2 to 3. or 1 to 2. theyre wild and drastic
Sorry the noob question... but how do you enable this debug data on screen at 2:44?
Evil Raiyu
I wonder why people think there is a vowel between the R and the y in Ryu. Especially when they then go on to say it correctly by not adding a vowel when saying shoryuken
@@johnarbuckle9345 It's because they're projecting English pronunciation rules onto romanizations of Japanese words. /ʃɔɹ.ju.kɛn/ is phonotactically possible in English, but a single syllable /ɹju/ isn't. The letter "y" is pronounced /aɪ/ in English words such as "style", so English speakers seeing "Ryu" by itself assume that it has to be a two-syllable /raɪ.u/, because the single syllable form just can't happen in English.
Even fighting game CZcamsrs can’t pronounce Ryu.
Great and interesting video!
The prerequisites for fighting Akuma in ST is just to get to the end without continuing. You can even cheese it by having the other player "come in" if you're about to lose
Evil Ryu's forward+medium kick sobat juggles, Ryu's doesn't
He also has an infinite - I always thought that's why he was banned tbh.
What's his infinite?
@@Veri7as wow, I can't find it anywhere, i figured i could find a video of it on youtube to link but... nada? - and it's weird because I remember it only worked on the player 2 side, which made it pretty unique but I can't find anything online... I need to wrack my brain to recall how it worked and I'll put up a video. it was really easy to do and involved air tatsus... let me mess around in MAME after work.
I'll be honest I've never heard of him having an infinite and when I asked around no one had either. So I'm interested to see this.
very interesting and fun vid to sit through
does valle cc still work if you activate in mid air, considering you can land a low fast enough
Japan has Ryu, America has Raiyu
That’s how it would be pronounced according to English rules. “Style” for example. So it makes sense.
@@Noplayster13 the name isnt english so
@@RunehearthCL but the people pronouncing it when the game came out were.
@@Noplayster13 And people can't change after years? lol
@@RunehearthCL sure they can. But some choose not to :) “LOL”
Great video. But one correction. Blowback is not related to valle CC. Blowback simply kills any active attack. Thats it.
Valle cc, if you are not already holding db, you cannot enter any inputs for 9 frames, regardless if blowback happens or not.
Otherwise, great video!
I never knew any of this. Interesting coverage,
So are you going to upload that stream you were apart of?
Oh plz dude say "Ryu", not Riyu
No. His name will forever be pronounced Ryeyou and you can’t stop me ;)
Could've typed "Ree-you" or something along those lines. Typing the actual name and telling someone to say it "like that" looks really pretentious. Also "Riyu" could still be pronounced as "Ree-you".
i see... evil raiu...
great video but the mispronunciation was really funny to me :v
Hey Rye-yu, you should throw a Haduken!
yeah. that really took me out
Shorye-youken!
Another awesome snippet into fighting game lore.
Are you gonna do strive match breakdowns? I loved watching your SF4 vids.
I'm for sure going to find some way to bring back match breakdowns with Strive. Not 100% sure on what form it will take yet though
Lol, imagine being a person, in 2021, pronouncing Ryu as "Rye-ooh"
"Evil RYE-YOU"
Guess that's as far as I'm going with this video.
your loss, take care!
Do you know anything about mortal kombat or killer instinct classics? i mean arcade and snes era tittles? how are those games played or what is the tier list or the match ups and such meta?
I know that youtube has at least the best latin american killer instinct snes player and he is actively doing tournaments online even before 2020.
keep up the good work.
This video brought me back to my High School days, when I used to bunk lessons to play SFA2 in London. I was one of the few who knew how to select Evil Ryu and who also knew which machines ran the American version to find him on. That made me feel cool at the time, good memories 😎
As decisive as custom combos are in SFA2, I say that tier list will soon change if more skilled players play Evil Ryu. Everything you do in this game goes to shit when you get hit by a cc. It's a huge comeback factor.
I wonder why some people still insist on calling the main character Rah-Yu.
Insisting? I don't think they're insisting. It's just what they like to call him
@@Windraesa But it’s not 1994 anymore. Everyone should know how to pronounce it. It’s not an opinion - there’s a correct way and an incorrect way.
That's fascinating. I see why this game has captured people's minds even two and a half decades later.
Are there any modern clips of him being used in modern tournaments?