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    #StarWars #Canon #MaceWindu
    Mace Windu, a Force-sensitive human male, was a revered Jedi Master and member of the Jedi High Council during the last years of the Galactic Republic. During his time in the Jedi Order, he once served as elected leader of the Jedi and, during the Clone Wars, as a Jedi General in the Grand Army of the Republic. He was the greatest champion of the Jedi Order and promoted its ancient traditions amidst the growing influence of the dark side of the Force in the corrupt, declining days of the Republic.
    When the Separatist Crisis spawned the birth of the Confederacy of Independent Systems and sparked the Clone Wars, Windu and the Jedi rallied to the defense of the Republic and became the leaders of the Grand Army of the Republic. Throughout the war, Windu served the Jedi and the Republic in various capacities-on the battlefield in command of the clone army, on Coruscant as an overseer of the war effort and an advisor to Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine, and even as a diplomat to contested worlds, despite his disdain of politics. His exploits on the frontline served as a reminder of his reputation as a renowned Jedi warrior.
    As the war drew to a close, Windu became increasingly suspicious of the chancellor's motives, as Palpatine had amassed near-dictatorial control over the Galactic Senate, and sensed the rising power of the dark side in the galaxy. His suspicions were confirmed when Anakin Skywalker, a Jedi Knight and the Chosen One of ancient prophecy, discovered that Palpatine was Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith who manipulated the Republic and the Separatist Alliance into war. Windu, along with Jedi Masters Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin, confronted Palpatine with the intention of arresting him. Instead, the Dark Lord attacked them, striking them down one by one until only Windu was left. Windu bested Palpatine in the confrontation and-deciding the chancellor was too dangerous to be left alive due to his influence over the government-prepared to strike him down, but the intervention of Anakin Skywalker, who saved the chancellor's life, led to Windu's death. As a result, Skywalker fell to the temptation of the dark side and was renamed Darth Vader.
    Windu's actions led Palpatine to brand the Jedi as traitors to the Republic. The chancellor executed Order 66 and clone troopers across the galaxy turned against and killed their Jedi leaders, marking the fall of the Jedi Order. Palpatine transformed the Republic into the Galactic Empire and the Emperor's new regime promoted anti-Jedi sentiment across the galaxy. Through propaganda, the Empire portrayed Windu as the leader of a criminal gang of Jedi who caused the outbreak of the Clone Wars. In spite of the propaganda, some of Windu's actions were remembered with fondness; General Cham Syndulla, who served alongside Windu during the Battle of Ryloth, remembered Windu with great respect and told the tale of how Windu helped him liberate Ryloth during the war
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  • @KeyIssues
    @KeyIssues  Před 3 lety +19

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    • @thunderguy6164
      @thunderguy6164 Před 3 lety

      Hey key issues can you powerscale Thor (MCU) you've done many MCU powerscale videos but never have actually made a video dedicated to powerscale him plss make it happen.

    • @chrisbennett6236
      @chrisbennett6236 Před 2 lety +1

      I actually agree and I think its bad ass that you quote sources.
      Oh and the Mace Windu novel Shatterpoint, is canon and it does a fantastic job if explaining what exactly it is. Great read if you get the chance.

  • @comicsevolved1464
    @comicsevolved1464 Před 3 lety +570

    Powerful enough to get a lightsaber made in a color of his choice.

    • @dumpster_mcgee_96
      @dumpster_mcgee_96 Před 3 lety +43

      Comics Evolved That’s Samuel L. Jackson’s power, not Mace Windu’s.

    • @Antispectre
      @Antispectre Před 3 lety +28

      BMF power is universal and absolute

    • @danielhill9912
      @danielhill9912 Před 3 lety +12

      I thought it was because he was balanced in the force

    • @eggsalad3316
      @eggsalad3316 Před 3 lety +3

      @@angryboi4 lmao

    • @chinortega3
      @chinortega3 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Antispectre yes lmfaoooo

  • @marvellkrypton
    @marvellkrypton Před 3 lety +113

    Key Issues: "Mace Windu over everything."
    ME: "Long have I waited to hear you say it."

  • @itsrobferrari
    @itsrobferrari Před 3 lety +212

    They need to give him his own Disney+ show with Samuel L. Jackson mannnn that would awesome

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  Před 3 lety +24

      Agree!

    • @jairusjackson7799
      @jairusjackson7799 Před 3 lety +15

      They are making a series for him, but these idiots are waiting until 2024 to make it. Come On! Samuel L Jackson isn't getting any younger they should be making it now!

    • @ayrtonpietrobelli6972
      @ayrtonpietrobelli6972 Před 2 lety +5

      @@jairusjackson7799 alternatively i wouldnt mind seeing Mahershala Ali in the role

  • @StartTheJoust
    @StartTheJoust Před 3 lety +88

    @5:24 , Palpatine realises Windu has somewhat unique style and mastery of skills that he wasn’t familiar with. Knowing Palps he had studied Jedi and their skills throughout, but this time even the mighty Sidious was surprised that someone was able to channel his darker side the way Mace was.
    Must’ve been a humbling experience.

    • @chrisbennett6236
      @chrisbennett6236 Před 2 lety +13

      He would actually say in his personal logs that Luke finds, that he didn't see Windu as a potential threat and was momentarily panicked when he realized he could not defeat Windu.

    • @EM-tx3ly
      @EM-tx3ly Před 2 lety +4

      Of course
      But Sith operate thru treachery
      Anakin betrayed Mace and the Sith did the rest
      Hence master and apprentice dynamics

    • @WestAirAviation
      @WestAirAviation Před 6 měsíci

      @@chrisbennett6236 What media is that from? A novel? A comic? I'd like to find it.

    • @seanhewitt603
      @seanhewitt603 Před měsícem

      Lol, hardly, that's like a heavy weight being intimidated by a welter weight... Ain't gonna happen.

  • @TheBlond49
    @TheBlond49 Před 3 lety +175

    He was so OP in Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars

  • @84Ronnell
    @84Ronnell Před 3 lety +207

    Someone made that crap up about Sidious holding back when George Lucas said he beat him heads up. I wish people would stop making up stuff, he beat him flat out

    • @BayScrilla510
      @BayScrilla510 Před 3 lety +29

      Exactly they are haters

    • @therealhound3977
      @therealhound3977 Před 3 lety +3

      Well sidious is not the best as a saber user his speciality is the use of dark side of the force to defeat opponents but then again windu force ability is able to cancel sith lords energy

    • @whoaahh6548
      @whoaahh6548 Před 3 lety +32

      @@therealhound3977 obviously he isn't the best duelist of all time but he did master all 7 forms of saber combat, so he's no joke

    • @mmaboxingclips2407
      @mmaboxingclips2407 Před 3 lety +3

      It’s in the novel.. Lucas clearly had a hand in that and was canon at the time. Dumb dumb dumb lucas

    • @anthonynielsen6265
      @anthonynielsen6265 Před 3 lety

      True as hell

  • @fraydizs7302
    @fraydizs7302 Před 2 lety +40

    Having Windu as a master probably could have allowed Anakin to be able to channel his anger without losing himself to it. Plus them having that closer bond probably would have made it harder for Anakin to decide to cut off his arm when he was about to kill Palpatine.
    A shame we'll never know.

    • @seanhewitt603
      @seanhewitt603 Před měsícem

      Nope, that was not in Lucas' version, just your delusional interpretation, if Lucas had wanted it that way, it'd be written that way... But it wasn't, sooooo, yuh, there's that.

    • @Nathan24634
      @Nathan24634 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@seanhewitt603shut your mouth he is a fan of the series and just put out a possibility of what could have been but wasn't people like you make people not like certain shoes or series

  • @kronos1794
    @kronos1794 Před 3 lety +74

    A shockingly underrated character.

  • @scaldon2
    @scaldon2 Před 3 lety +169

    He legitimately defeated Sidious. When he fought sidious it was his first time implementing the superconducting loop of vaapad. And for his first time he defeated Sidious.

    • @dx_n3774
      @dx_n3774 Před 3 lety +4

      To be fair we all his force abilities able to nelegate a sith power his a badass sith slayer but against yoda who uses the light side his fucked

    • @arronfrazier7873
      @arronfrazier7873 Před 3 lety +24

      @@dx_n3774 Don't forget Yoda was 800 years older! Mace never really reached his fully potential. Anakin and Askoka at young ages, they were forged in the Clone wars which made them more powerful. Imagine a young Windu going through the samething! Mace and Anakin were alike more than any of the other Jedi. They both loved combat which was looked down by the Jedi code! They were natural warriors!

    • @dx_n3774
      @dx_n3774 Před 3 lety +1

      @@arronfrazier7873 why did you have to tell me this I clearly know and mace windu faced other trouble that could count maybe I dont know he face a dark jedi want that many in that time since of peace time only the jedi who saw the sith return and the jedi downfall

    • @tootriv211
      @tootriv211 Před 3 lety +1

      Right! That says it all.

    • @tootriv211
      @tootriv211 Před 3 lety +2

      @@dx_n3774 Right he defeated his family member on his home planet that used the pure force and was said to be stronger than himself and Sidious. The unfiltered force and the dangerous conditions drove him crazy.

  • @KingofFlorida
    @KingofFlorida Před 3 lety +147

    He beat sidious fair and square, he’s literally stronger than the “most powerful sith of all time”

    • @saekisadako2118
      @saekisadako2118 Před 2 lety +18

      vaapad is an anti sith tech so i'm not surprised

    • @greyngreyer5
      @greyngreyer5 Před rokem +4

      Maul beat him. Just saying

    • @kyrptonite1825
      @kyrptonite1825 Před rokem +6

      He used Vaapad, which deflects dark side energy onto another

    • @maskassmario321
      @maskassmario321 Před rokem +6

      Most overrated Sith of all time*

    • @XTHREAT
      @XTHREAT Před rokem +2

      Mannn he beat him fair no ifs ands or buts. Peroid

  • @isaacheard4202
    @isaacheard4202 Před rokem +17

    Mace windu walks the path of good right beside the dark the fact that he was turned by the lightning and he stopped it with his lightsaber is one of the greatest feat I know of in star wars

  • @getpaidblackman9859
    @getpaidblackman9859 Před 3 lety +60

    Mace was master crafted being. Fate just had to interfere in his life.

  • @freddyz3359
    @freddyz3359 Před 3 lety +49

    Mastering the light and being in control of the dark... this is how the all the jedi should have been.

    • @qsseay
      @qsseay Před rokem +3

      Mace should have the Grandmaster of the Order rather than Yoda. Under his leadership, the Order may have been able recognize and more effectively combat Siddious’s diabolical schem.

  • @trehubb6144
    @trehubb6144 Před rokem +5

    Downplay of Mace win against Sidious is wild. Sith Lords have always been experts in either Sorcery/Alchemy or Dueling. Sidious was great in Dueling but probably due to him being under Plaguies his specialty was more Sorcery based. Mace being a better duelist shouldn't surprise anyone. Along with his fighting style of shatter point and Vaapad.

  • @vasylkasra
    @vasylkasra Před 3 lety +51

    Overall, you did a pretty good job. Mace is one of my favorite characters in the universe, and he doesn't really get much love.

  • @mrop1492
    @mrop1492 Před 3 lety +28

    This ain't the part 2 video but dedicating a whole video to the most powerful Jedi of his time(in Canon).
    Respect.

  • @james_eee
    @james_eee Před 3 lety +53

    Well I'd say he could be anakin in a duel

    • @carterluczywo2712
      @carterluczywo2712 Před 3 lety +17

      Indeed

    • @vasylkasra
      @vasylkasra Před 3 lety +5

      Yes.

    • @dimond360_
      @dimond360_ Před 3 lety +14

      I’d say so Vappad would work to his advantage if Anakin goes lunatic rage mode

    • @bbp2930
      @bbp2930 Před 3 lety

      @@dimond360_ yea

    • @afroman5160
      @afroman5160 Před 3 lety

      With Vaapad Anakin would have r
      lost. Anakin would have relied on darkness too fight him in episode 3.

  • @kekero540
    @kekero540 Před rokem +5

    I always thought Vapaad fed off the dark side energies of the person you were fighting against which is why it was so deadly against Sidious.

  • @mrpj1390
    @mrpj1390 Před 3 lety +8

    Actually he does use Shatterpoint once in the Clone Wars series. They show it when he uses it to break some glass to free a clonetrooper. That was Shatterpoint that he was using when he did that. Its shows weakpoints in things or even living beings.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  Před 3 lety

      TCW is canon to legends, and in legends he is using shatter point there. In the current canon, that scene is not shatter point

    • @mactavish542
      @mactavish542 Před 2 lety +3

      @@KeyIssues it’s clearly shatterpoint.

  • @Eclipse_Graphics
    @Eclipse_Graphics Před 3 lety +13

    You have to read the book for the third movie. It explains why Mace using Shatter Point is the best Jedi to face darkside users

  • @tonywright9906
    @tonywright9906 Před 3 lety +31

    Mace Windu over everything.
    Excellent job!!! Finally the truth has come out about Sidious throwing the fight and all that made up none sense.
    I have been studying Juyo and Vaapad for a long time. Reading every source and Mace Windu as well. Job well down!!!

    • @chrisbennett6236
      @chrisbennett6236 Před 2 lety +3

      One point that is overlooked is that the Jedi Order required a Jedi to outright master forms 1-6 and all of the stance and kata variants if they wished to learn Juyo. Then they needed unanimous permission from the Council, then finally permission of the Grandmaster.
      This is why so few Jedi learn the form and why Anakin was denied multiple times.

    • @monghanclan2330
      @monghanclan2330 Před 11 měsíci +1

      No. Mace Windu lost to Maul in the son of Dathomir comics, not only Mace Windu but Ayyla Secura aswell. They both lost to Maul in a 2v1
      Palpatine far outscales Maul. So he far outscales Windu. Deal with it.

    • @tonywright9906
      @tonywright9906 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@monghanclan2330 That wasn’t a real duel.
      Nor a real fight. Windu and Maul in lightsaber duel, Windu is winning. Windu has a clear understanding of what Form Vll is and how to use it.
      That little skirmish wasn’t a w.
      More like a desperate attempt to escape than fight.

    • @tonywright9906
      @tonywright9906 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@monghanclan2330 You deal with the smoke and mirrors learn the difference between a real fight and desperate need to flee. Palpatine out scales nothing.
      And was beaten by Windu.
      If so powerful why have Anakin save his wrinkled bacon, hmm?! Deal with that.

    • @monghanclan2330
      @monghanclan2330 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ⁠​⁠@@tonywright9906es, it was a 2v1, provide ONE fucking reason why Mace would be more powerful ALONE than having another well skilled user with a lightsaber next to him
      If you can’t beat one guy when there’s 2 of you. It’s a loss, and the single person gets the W
      Read the comic again you jack off, it was a 2v1 which maul claimed it was a “fair fight” putting Mace Windu and Ayyla Secura TOGETHER on Mauls level
      Dooku is one of the greatest swordsman of his time and has beaten Yoda in a CANON comic called the mission to Tatooine, this puts Dooku slightly above Palpatine in Duelling
      But we all know that Windu is FAR below Dooku in duelling 💀
      Provide some actual fact or a reason other than your biased misinterpretated views, then learn to talk like an adult. Deal. With. That.
      Edit: if Mace was more powerful alone, why take 3 other fucking Jedi masters to take down the SITH LORD they’d been looking for?

  • @Protocol36
    @Protocol36 Před 3 lety +7

    Great work! I would love to see more of "How Powerful is...." Videos for Star Wars characters in the future!

  • @SMBH-M87
    @SMBH-M87 Před rokem +3

    It'd be dope to see Mace Windu brought back to the screen with a different angle. Given that Mace is a master of Vaapad, which breaches the Dark Side of the Living Force, he can potentially return postured as an antihero or antivillain.

  • @chrism9549
    @chrism9549 Před 3 lety +4

    Beautifully summed up.. Thank you so, soooooooo much. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @Lord2wiceAsReal
    @Lord2wiceAsReal Před 3 lety +6

    I wonder if some people know that Tupac auditioned for Mace Windu another cool fact about this character

    • @natsusatsujinki8342
      @natsusatsujinki8342 Před rokem

      No but I'm kinda glad he didn't. Can't really see anyone else as the character. Sorta like Ironman or Wolverine

  • @onyxraze
    @onyxraze Před rokem

    This channel is hella underrated

  • @FriendlyBatDoom
    @FriendlyBatDoom Před 3 lety +21

    By the time he died which was in his 50's Mace Windu mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat. He also had shatterpoint. And HE BEAT SIDIOUS FAIR AND SQUARE he was the better duelist.

    • @macattackk
      @macattackk Před 3 lety +2

      In canon yes. In legends there is a lot more context to that fight, and it’s left somewhat ambiguous

    • @cherechesalexdaniel811
      @cherechesalexdaniel811 Před 3 lety

      In canon he dasn’t have shatterpoint or at least wasn’t confirmed to have it but the rest i agree with

    • @wb7585
      @wb7585 Před 3 lety +1

      @@cherechesalexdaniel811 clone wars where he uses the force to shatter the tanks window to save the clones trapped in.

    • @vasylkasra
      @vasylkasra Před 3 lety +2

      In EU, he's in the general ball park of RotS Yoda, RotS Sidious, and post-Invisible Hand Anakin/pre suit Vader. Other sources also place him having similar power levels to Yoda and Sidious at that time. And yes, Windu did beat Sidious fair and square, if you examine every statement and feat. Parts of the novel were not considered greater canon than the movie, which included the novel's depiction of the Mace/Sidious duel. The Star Wars Databank, the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, the Galactic Files trading card games, etc, which are all considered C-canon (G-canon in the databank's case as far as the movie info) all stated that Windu bested Sidious legitimately and no official source claims that Sidious threw the fight or was holding back. The New Essential Chronology even states that Windu fought a Palpatine who "unleashed his full fury" against him and the B-Team.

    • @FriendlyBatDoom
      @FriendlyBatDoom Před 3 lety +1

      @@vasylkasra thank you KEEP PREACHIN.

  • @dafullclip
    @dafullclip Před 3 lety

    Great video and info. Thanks.

  • @ghostdog1758
    @ghostdog1758 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thank you so much. 😁 Mace Windu is one of my favorite star wars characters.

  • @gerardocovarrubias1127
    @gerardocovarrubias1127 Před 3 lety +43

    can you make how powerful was anakin skywalker before he turned to the dark side was he more powerful than count dooku,maul,grievous and obi wan kenobi because the reason kenobi took high ground ts because he was getting tired

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  Před 3 lety +9

      Yes, eventually!

    • @gerardocovarrubias1127
      @gerardocovarrubias1127 Před 3 lety +1

      @@KeyIssues also do you think star wars characters vs dceu and mcu characters that could be good

    • @cherechesalexdaniel811
      @cherechesalexdaniel811 Před 3 lety +2

      Dooku was evidentally holding back. Did you notice that in their fight dooku didn’t use force lightning? Because if you watch the 3d clone wars you would know that at the slightest intervention of electricity Anakin is out of the fight even a bounty hunter with no connection to the force beat anakin with normal electricity. And he was equal to Obi wan. In their fight on mustafar they force push each other and the power was equal sending tham both flying.

    • @gerardocovarrubias1127
      @gerardocovarrubias1127 Před 3 lety

      @@cherechesalexdaniel811 what luck it was stated that the three most powerful Jedi were Yoda Mace Windu Count Dooku I mean it Dooku never turn to the dark side and Qui Gon never died in the four most powerful Jedi would be well you know the answer

    • @cherechesalexdaniel811
      @cherechesalexdaniel811 Před 3 lety

      @@gerardocovarrubias1127 Also even Savage can take on both Anakin and Obi Wan at once. And Maul can beat his little brother in secunds. I think Ahsoka saying that anakin would beat Maul was just her highbolling her teacher.

  • @henry4393
    @henry4393 Před 3 lety +8

    Although he was a douche, Mace Windu was a badass during battle.

  • @SharifBey-mr3bc
    @SharifBey-mr3bc Před 6 měsíci

    I thank you for your great work in researching Mace Windu. The creator of Star Wars himself said that Mace beat Sidious fair and square but there are still those that reject the word of the creator, lol. Once again, great job, I thank you.

  • @jendersonmohammed443
    @jendersonmohammed443 Před 3 lety +2

    One of the GOAT! Please do Palpatine soon!

  • @GenXChristian
    @GenXChristian Před 8 měsíci

    Awesome video,
    Do a video on A shared Hett/ Darth Krayt.

  • @TommyAkaTom
    @TommyAkaTom Před 3 lety +2

    You are tearing me apart Windu!

  • @thefastmagician
    @thefastmagician Před 3 lety

    Let’s keep these coming.

  • @mactavish542
    @mactavish542 Před 2 lety +2

    He uses shatterpoint to break the window to get a clone out of a walker in clone wars.

  • @ryanabadam8557
    @ryanabadam8557 Před 3 lety +8

    Make a how powerful was Yoda video... please!!!

  • @kennethmcalpine7544
    @kennethmcalpine7544 Před 2 lety

    Great video.

  • @scaldon2
    @scaldon2 Před 3 lety +24

    This theory that sidious lost on purpose is stupid.

  • @MementoMoriIlluminatusDrStrang

    The only jedi master and council member who can grand the "n" word pass

  • @hunneylipps
    @hunneylipps Před 3 lety +1

    Love the video 😄 keep up the good work ☺️.

  • @kenvaellecam8328
    @kenvaellecam8328 Před 3 lety +8

    I wonder how this analysis fits with the Son of Dathomir comics.
    Sidious claims that Talzin's saber skills were not on Dooku's level, yet she was able to fight more or less evenly with Mace in TCW. Maul was also able to fight against both Mace and Aayla in what he claimed was 'a fair fight'.
    So perhaps we could say that at a base level Mace is somewhat below Dooku's level however if he decides to use Vaapad it boosts him up to Sidious level?

    • @toonbartholome479
      @toonbartholome479 Před 3 lety +1

      Neither his fight with Talzin or his fight with Maul was conclusive so it neither really contradicts his performance against Sidious.

    • @kenvaellecam8328
      @kenvaellecam8328 Před 3 lety +4

      @@toonbartholome479 To some extent you are right. However if Windu was really that good he would have performed better in those two fights regardless of whether the fight concluded or not. Windu hasn't consistently performed at Sidious level enough for a clear verdict to be made regarding his combat rating.

    • @toonbartholome479
      @toonbartholome479 Před 3 lety

      @@kenvaellecam8328 In what sense could he do 'better' ?

    • @kenvaellecam8328
      @kenvaellecam8328 Před 3 lety +4

      @@toonbartholome479 Better in the sense that he would have the clear advantage in the fight. Against Talzin he appeared to be on the defensive somewhat despite the fact her skills are inferior to Dooku's. His showing against her is not consistent with his fight against Sidious.
      Maul was able to handle himself well despite being in a 2v1 with Mace. Once again this is inconsistent with Mace' showing of defeating Sidious. That said i'll admit the comic fight is too short to be conclusive.

    • @georgbergsten6050
      @georgbergsten6050 Před 3 lety

      @@kenvaellecam8328 In regards to lightsaber skills sure but if his force power was even on the same level as sidious he should've been able to ragdoll Maul

  • @hypnotical9892
    @hypnotical9892 Před 4 měsíci +1

    6:06 George Lucas said Mace Windu won the fight, that’s enough for me

  • @raybellows9415
    @raybellows9415 Před 13 dny

    He has to have his own show or movie or both asap imo

  • @james_eee
    @james_eee Před 3 lety +3

    Would you be able to go more in depth on kit fisto as he was one of the strongest jedi during the clone wars and was considered a dangerous combatant by obi wan

  • @AlternicityBlogspot
    @AlternicityBlogspot Před rokem +1

    Vaapad could be the crux of a whole new main character

  • @matthewmann8969
    @matthewmann8969 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Pretty powerful in Legends he was considered the person with the fourth higest potential in the order only behind Anakin, Yoda, And Dooku yeah.

  • @uknownuser23
    @uknownuser23 Před 3 lety +8

    11:40 he literally does the shatter point ability in the Ryloth episode on the glass of the AT TE

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  Před 3 lety +3

      It's not referenced as an ability he has in canon. I know in legends (as Clone Wars is part of Legends) this is a reference to shatterpoint, but no where in canon is shatterpoint mentioned for Windu. Ever. Period.

    • @sleazymeezy
      @sleazymeezy Před 3 lety

      @@KeyIssues gets proved wrong, gets defensive and nitty. What a horrible content creator.

    • @auglybluething1995
      @auglybluething1995 Před 3 lety +2

      @@sleazymeezy how is that getting defensive

    • @mactavish542
      @mactavish542 Před 2 lety

      @Key Issues who cares if it’s canon or legends, it’s still part of the Star Wars universe.

    • @Gooberexploring
      @Gooberexploring Před rokem +1

      @@mactavish542 that’s a dangerous thing to say so what now ray can force heal but yoda cant?

  • @TC-xh5wp
    @TC-xh5wp Před 2 lety

    That was 👍, thanks!

  • @Callsign_Reaper4
    @Callsign_Reaper4 Před 5 měsíci

    I do believe Mace won his duel against Sidious, but there was one thing that allowed him to, that being Sidious could have killed him first and avoided the issue. Then there's also the fact that Yoda disarmed Sidious off screen, which is why it switches to Sidious using force abilities to keep Yoda at bay. Then there was the fact tbat, the only reason Yoda lost the fight was simply because it threw him further due to his smaller size. Had he not been thrown so far down, he probably would've continued the fight, but he wasn't able to return and knew it was better to retreat to teach future jedi

  • @samleggett9844
    @samleggett9844 Před 3 lety

    You should do a video on Tulak Horde

  • @gambitx5571
    @gambitx5571 Před 3 lety +1

    love this style of video, but the reasons behind you not posting the sw part 2 you said here are different from what you said on discord.

  • @scottevans591
    @scottevans591 Před 2 lety +3

    It's not a argument I've looked over everything I can and it's simple mace beat the most powerful sith to ever exist something Yoda luke and the chosen one couldn't

  • @demetriushoward2304
    @demetriushoward2304 Před 3 lety +3

    Lucas. Said Mace won that fight.. Nuff said

  • @brandonkirk6498
    @brandonkirk6498 Před 3 lety

    Great video next time could you please do Darth Vader

  • @kinglionheart450
    @kinglionheart450 Před 3 lety +5

    No offense since this is all Canon I don't think nobody nobody is stronger than Grand Master Yoda as he took Darth sidious's full force lightning and caught it with the force with his hands okay Mace Windu how to use a lightsaber that is an energy power beam a plasma that is able to redirected with the force but Yoda did it with his hands so Mace Windu is nowhere near as powerful then Yoda maybe with a blade yes but when it comes for the force Yoda will literally overshadow Mace Windu as Yoda was the one that taught him everything he knows knows all of Mace Windu secrets and let alone 800 years of experience

  • @gerardocovarrubias1127
    @gerardocovarrubias1127 Před 3 lety +1

    and also key issue do you think you can make how powerful was luke skywalker,ben solo/kylo ren and rey skywalker and every star wars character and even versus series

  • @theoriginalonion7545
    @theoriginalonion7545 Před 3 lety +1

    Agreed. Off subject question, the owl that follows Ahsoka is that the daughter or the daughter's pet?

  • @user-rq6mq4wu1s
    @user-rq6mq4wu1s Před 3 měsíci +1

    lucas said himself that mace beat palpatine 1v1, so take that what you will

  • @FrancisL4D
    @FrancisL4D Před rokem +1

    Mace Windu is so fkn cool

  • @nlafave2001
    @nlafave2001 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I swear Mace used Shatterpoint in the clone wars show… did he not??

  • @davemarchitto6485
    @davemarchitto6485 Před 11 měsíci

    Much has been said about The light and the dark side. The day and the night. Windu is the Jedi of the dawn and the dusk. A harmonious union of opposing forces. An eclipse at noon.

  • @seanhewitt603
    @seanhewitt603 Před měsícem

    Windu, Sidious' pale shadow... A poor substitute, left to the jedi to assimilate, for he was a wuss.

  • @highraven8891
    @highraven8891 Před 3 lety +5

    JW what if mace came back? C'mon he only got pushed out by some lightning, maybe fell as did anakin and obi. HE COULD BE ALIVE!

    • @ramarblood7697
      @ramarblood7697 Před 3 lety +2

      He is alive and its said that their will be a show about him coming out in 2024.

  • @lumbago8
    @lumbago8 Před 3 lety +4

    Yoda only lost to Sidious because of the surroundings. Technically Yoda is stronger than sidious and Windu

    • @Jedilord882
      @Jedilord882 Před 2 lety +1

      Fact. Vaapad is useless vs Yoda and Yoda is naturally the better lightsaber duelist.

    • @lumbago8
      @lumbago8 Před 2 lety

      @@Jedilord882 and he's also the strongest with the force

    • @Jedilord882
      @Jedilord882 Před 2 lety +3

      @@lumbago8 the fact yoda is able to surpass Palpatines saber skills without vapaad (opposite to mace) and simply because his use of Ataru is that fucking good … is a testament to why Sidious was fucking TERRIFIED of Yoda.

    • @Gooberexploring
      @Gooberexploring Před rokem

      @@Jedilord882 vappod works differently in canon that’s legends vappod

  • @alexkeatley3790
    @alexkeatley3790 Před 3 lety

    2:43 Mace Windu definitely got his foot slid off here (use x0.25 speed)

  • @BillyJay-kk8oq
    @BillyJay-kk8oq Před měsícem +1

    Mace is the G.O.A.T.

  • @log7454
    @log7454 Před 3 lety +1

    Good luck with all the Jedi and Sith!

  • @JimmyTurner
    @JimmyTurner Před 3 lety +6

    I mean he can see shatter points. Which I think was kind of a weird power to base an entire book around.

  • @elfspiros1
    @elfspiros1 Před 3 lety +1

    The most powerful star wars characters(from movies) :
    6th Place :Agen Kolar ≈ Saesee Tiin ≈ Sifo-Dyas
    5th Place : Ki-Adi-Mundi ≈ kit fisto ≈ General Grievous
    4th Place : Qui-Gon Jinn ≈ Count Dooku ≈ Darth Maul
    3th Place : Obi-Wan Kenobi ≈ Anakin Skywalker ≈ Luke Skywalker
    2th Place : Mace Windu ≈ Darth Vader ≈ Darth Plagueis
    1th Place : Yoda ≈ Darth Sidious

    • @Vader255
      @Vader255 Před 3 lety

      Gotta disagree maul should be higher grevouis lower and how is dooku lower than obi wan

    • @Vader255
      @Vader255 Před 3 lety

      Where is ploo koon

  • @fistoflegend1564
    @fistoflegend1564 Před 3 lety +1

    Jedi Master Mace Windu respect💜‼

  • @isaacheard4202
    @isaacheard4202 Před rokem +1

    If only mace used anakin to teach him vaapad

  • @chewy99.
    @chewy99. Před rokem +1

    There are no statements that Sidious let Windu win, but there are none that confirm he didn’t, or that Sidious would have actually ended up dead had Anakin not intervened at all. It was a fact in Anakin’s mind that that would happen, but not actually confirmation that it would’ve. I have no doubt that Sidious would’ve done something to save himself had Anakin not done anything. He is more powerful than Mace, and thus could focus on force pushing him away before he would strike, and likely disarm him, allowing Palpatine to shoot lighting at him with his full strength, killing the Jedi master.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  Před rokem

      I provided a statement in this video that Adair Sidious would have died if Anakin didn’t save him.

  • @jordanglasper1064
    @jordanglasper1064 Před rokem

    I could be wrong, but he’s not make when does force technique shatter point officially a force technique he used of revenge of the Sith normalization. The unstoppable Jedi Master Mace Windu.

  • @anthonyp6896
    @anthonyp6896 Před 5 měsíci

    In Revenge of the Sith he used Vape pad as well as shatterpoint to that's how he beat Sidious

  • @zunderminer3079
    @zunderminer3079 Před 3 lety +1

    In defense of Jango, hes jetpack was broken when the Rhino think rammed him.

    • @Shhitscarter
      @Shhitscarter Před 3 lety +2

      Mace would've killed him anyway so it doesn't matter

    • @zunderminer3079
      @zunderminer3079 Před 3 lety

      Maybe i would say depends if hes ganne risk jumping after him, or pull him down with the force however they dont do that alot with flying enemys

  • @ethanoux10
    @ethanoux10 Před 3 lety +16

    I mean his lightsaber is purple what else do you need?

  • @arturtourinho6449
    @arturtourinho6449 Před 3 lety

    Please make another one

  • @BozheTsaryaKhrani
    @BozheTsaryaKhrani Před 3 lety +1

    Do Embo

  • @guesswho8556
    @guesswho8556 Před rokem

    vaapad is a part of windu's lightsaber style. I don't know where you got the yoda > windu statement is not taking it into account.

    • @ItzEntoX
      @ItzEntoX Před 5 měsíci

      Mace and yoda are basically equals by rots , with vaapad however mace eclipses him .

  • @solomonglover4425
    @solomonglover4425 Před 3 lety

    Power of God

  • @jayrev1254
    @jayrev1254 Před 3 lety +1

    Shatterpoint is referenced in the novelization of Revenge of the Sith. Wouldn’t that be canon?

    • @mactavish542
      @mactavish542 Před 2 lety +1

      He used shatterpoint to break a window in clone wars series

  • @goosee7776
    @goosee7776 Před 2 lety

    I flew in and out of your old lady's beep" the other night"

  • @user-tx2kq1qz8x
    @user-tx2kq1qz8x Před 5 měsíci

    Darth city's knows he can't beat window. So he has to hold his own long enough for anakin to get in his location before mace when do kills him

  • @jackxiao9702
    @jackxiao9702 Před 3 lety +2

    Yoda can beat Mace, Mace can beat any Sith because Vapaad is Sith Kyrptonite, Vapaad is a mirror that reflects dark side energy. Only Mace, using Vapaad can reflect lightning.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  Před 3 lety +3

      No that’s not how it works as I showed in the video.

    • @anthonynielsen6265
      @anthonynielsen6265 Před 3 lety

      There is no way yoda can beat mace,

  • @kneerelievechronicle5739
    @kneerelievechronicle5739 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for just being real and I agree with you 💯%. sir!!!👍

  • @crimsonmaelstrom573
    @crimsonmaelstrom573 Před 11 měsíci

    I’m actually a Vaapad user with my katana. I’m almost a real life Mace Windu

  • @maximusbjj5298
    @maximusbjj5298 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Wasn’t yoda actually winning in his fight again Palpetine just was pushed farther due to his smaller size?

    • @1000g2g3g4g800999
      @1000g2g3g4g800999 Před 4 měsíci

      I'm pretty sure Yoda also beat Sidious in lightsaber combat considering Sidious gets disarmed by both of them. Nick Gillard is one of the sources for the idea that Sidious just outclasses Windu as a fighter, but the script and what we see on screen kind of just indicates that it isn't the case.

  • @cherechesalexdaniel811
    @cherechesalexdaniel811 Před 3 lety +2

    In my opinion the power of the verse is around large mountain to small island level. My reasoning for this is that Yoda casually bullied a living mountain, Vader blocked photon torpedos witch can damage large space ships with around this level of durability and Palpatines big lightning bolt in The Rise of Skywalker was calculated at around this level.
    For speed it ranges between lightning timing and relativistic to light. Because jedi can block sith lightning and can pilot ships that even with their base speed (not hyperspace) are around relativistic to light speed.

  • @dsorpqxh
    @dsorpqxh Před 3 lety +1

    I canonically hate Windu just because of how ignorant he was. It feels like if he didn’t exist the Jedi could have had a chance at stopping order 66. He is cool though

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  Před 3 lety +9

      Yoda is just as bad as far as stubbornness goes.

  • @spacewindu3824
    @spacewindu3824 Před 11 měsíci

    SHEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!

  • @user-tx2kq1qz8x
    @user-tx2kq1qz8x Před 5 měsíci

    Darth city is knows he can't beat Windsor so he just has to hold his own long enough for Annie. Can to get there before he gets killed by window

    • @user-tx2kq1qz8x
      @user-tx2kq1qz8x Před 5 měsíci

      Palpatine nose he can't beat Mase he just needs to hold his own long enough for Aniken to get there before he Gets killed by window

  • @danielcooke3732
    @danielcooke3732 Před 2 lety

    Darth Nihlus

  • @scoshyg5133
    @scoshyg5133 Před 6 měsíci

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone misinterpret form 7 vapaad more than in this video.
    I just want to be clear. At no point in time was mace windu ever intended to be a more powerful character in either force capability or light saber dueling than Yoda.
    Regardless of the Disney purchase, Star Wars, Canon has always been written as movies first and content related to George Lucas takes precedent. The novelization of the films are considered Canon unless they deviate from what we see on screen. George Lucas line by line, edited the revenge of the Sith novelization and the author Matthew Stover has stated that it was 100% Lucas’s vision in that book. And that book states that Yoda was the most powerful Jedi but the order had to offer.
    George Lucas did not intend for the character of mace to be that- and I don’t care what book Disney’s created that formed your opinion about this.
    But the power tier system created for light saber, dueling for revenge of the Sith has Yoda and sidious on an equal level at a nine out of nine. Mace is an 8 to 8.5(with vapaad amp).
    Mace is an Analog to Dooku not yoda.
    There is not a chance in hell that mace could’ve performed the tutamensis feat that yoda did in the senate rotunda.
    In addition vapaad does not allow the Jedi user to actually use the Darkside. You actually stated that in this video, and it pretty much invalidates everything you have to say from there on if you actually believe that.

  • @dabluedeuce1389
    @dabluedeuce1389 Před 3 lety

    Make more Star Wars power scaling videos

  • @mmora2865
    @mmora2865 Před 3 lety

    What is shatter point?

    • @hokagedlo6133
      @hokagedlo6133 Před 3 lety

      Windu's force ability it allows him to pin point a enemies weakness and use it against them like he did with sidious

  • @doctorsqueaks1683
    @doctorsqueaks1683 Před 3 lety +3

    even George Lucas stated that mace overpowered palpy

  • @JonaD757
    @JonaD757 Před 3 lety +3

    In the Episode III Novelization Sidious is blatantly shown to be holding back and knows Anakin is coming; Mace realizes his mistake only at the last second, but since Disney doesn't treat that as canon, fair enough, in current canon Mace won fair and square, until Anakin saved Palpatine.

    • @Prince_the_One
      @Prince_the_One Před 3 lety +15

      Ew, Palpatine would never allow himself to almost die, he wouldn't risk his life that way. Whatever novel out of the thousands of starwars novels that try make of starwars... it was fanfiction. Plain and simple. Lucas said Mace won fair and square.

    • @monghanclan2330
      @monghanclan2330 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ⁠@@Prince_the_Onesorry bud. Lucas doesn’t run Star Wars anymore. Neither do you so no, it wasn’t fan fiction.
      In son of Dathomir Mace and Ayyla Secura lose to Maul in a 2v1, we all saw Palpatine Ragdoll not only Maul but Savage aswell, this wasn’t even ROTS… this was clone wars 💀