I Wish I Had Friends Like Frieren - Narrative Therapist Reacts to Frieren - Ep 2
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One thing I think is really neat in episode 2 versus episode 1 is that Frieren gets visibly upset seeing Heiter try to push Fern away before he dies.
She thinks nothing of spending four years staying to translate a book because time is nothing to her. However, the idea of robbing someone of time *with a loved one* upset her.
Essentially she learned her lesson from her time with Himmel
@@Despotic_Waffle
no. She learned her lesson *after* the death of Himmel.
your analysis of himmels motivation for making statues of himself aligns with a future plot point. It definitely looks superficially like he's full of himself, but in the end it is about passing down something, specifically about passing down a reminder to frieren that they existed
They mentioned two spells she acquired: one to turn sweet grapes sour and one that cleans statues. Both have significance that shows that she doesn't collect spells for the sake of it. They have practical use to her. She uses one in this very episode to clean a monument of Himmel. Guess why she wanted the Grape-transmutation spell.
I think because Eisen likes them 😄
I think of Frieren as a character kinda like the Spock or Data of a Star Trek show. They're similar to us, but different enough that they serve as a mirror to evaluate ourselves.
Frieren is a character for whom time is no object. As you touched on last episode, she lives so long that she rarely has to worry about missing out on an opportunity since they'll often arise again. Perhaps it's because of this that Frieren's emotions are expressed in a more subdued way.
But in her short adventure she got closer to Himmel, Heiter, and Eisen than she had with anyone in centuries. Thus, she was caught off-guard; for once, the brevity of human life mattered and an opportunity that she could never reclaim had passed.
Because of that, she is now making these journeys to remember them. It's her own journey of self-reflection that she missed when most of her friends were still alive.
Also, I do find it super sweet that Heiter entrusts his legacy to Frieren in the form of Fern. It must have been such a comfort knowing his adopted child would be in good hands.
I feel like frieren has problems with secure attachment because of the fact that no one in her life has been around long enough for that.
Frieren will not die of old age. But all the people around her do, and she lived a long time. With time, everyone dies and is forgotten - except by her. She cares for other people 's "symbolic immortality" - though it is some kind of a spoiler. She is immortal : she lives long enough to know that everything and everyone dies, and she is left behind. Most viewers seem to build an image of her as young and inexperienced, as someone who experiences things for the first time - it may be a spoiler, but those are not correct hypothesises.
she’s not immortal, she just lives a very long time
@graffititurtle9035 she's more functionally immortal to a human's PoV. It's a bit of a spoiler, but we meet a much, much older elf later in the story. It is revealed that they too once had a grand adventure and a hero party. But time has passed long enough that even their deeds arr forgotten to time, and any relic of their past is unrecognisable even to frieren.
This gives us a glimpse on gow long elves live in this anime, if thats not functionally immortal idk what is.
@@recklesserves155 yeah I know that. But she can and will die of old age unless she’s killed. Just… verrrrrrrryyyyyy old age lol
@@beyondviolet I do wonder how often elves in this universe die of old age. Because with a life that long, those minuscule chances of dying from various causes really add up
I don't think Frieren minimizes the importance of her hobby. What she values in magic, what gives her joy, isn't being able to face off difficult foes, but to make people cheerful with whimsical spells. Spells that preserve, that are fun, that are beautiful... Just like Fern with the butterflies spell, having a fun time with Heiter. That's what she cherishes about magic, but that's just part of what magic is in her life though. It's not that she diminishes the value it has for her, it's just that what she values of it is that simple (yet deep and complex emotionally).
I relate a lot to Frieren. I don't know what's wrong with my brain, but I have an extremely tenuous relationship to the passage of time.
I have clear memories going back as far as roughly being 2 years old, and time to me passes ridiculously quickly(now 35). The last 20 years or so feel like they've passed in the blink of an eye and a couple of months feel entirely trivial. For this reason, I struggle maintaining personal relationships because I'll just leave people hanging for weeks or months(not on purpose mind you) and I don't really at all feel any type of pressure or need to resolve or accomplish things in short time-spans.
Looking at Frieren, is one of the few characters I've ever seen in a story and where I've felt as if our perception of the flow of time and people around us are even remotely similar, which is alarming but still...
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Omly think is that you put to much value in her collecting of magic spells. She doenst have some hidden feelings to Himmel. Her collecting spells was something she already did before joining the party . It was just something she did but it became more meaningfull after Himmel praise
Haha maybe it was just my wishful thinking. What can I say I love a bit of romance 😍
That is not true. Frieren did love magic but she lost that feelings before joining the hero's party and Himmel helped to rekindle her love for magic. This will be explained a lot more in the future.
As for Frieren's feeling for Himmel, the show doesn't tell you directly, so nobody can be certain about it. I personally believe she loves him but she has yet fully understood it. There are too many scenes in the manga that point to this than the other way around. She clearly treats Himmel differently from Heiter and Eisen.