Did Aslan really kill Jadis? | Narnia Lore | Prince Caspian
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One of the most curious moments in The Chronicles of Narnia is when Prince Caspian is confronted by Nikabrik, a hag and a werewolf who try to convince him to engage in a dark ritual to resurrect Jadis, the White Witch and false queen of Narnia. The question is, could Jadis have been brought back to life? Ever since her appearance in the Magician's Nephew, Jadis has shown herself to be a formidable opponent, as she faced off against Digory Kirke and Polly Plummer. Years later in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, with the help of Lucy, Peter, Edmund and Susan Pevensie, Jadis finally met her end in the jaws of Aslan the Lion. Or did she? - Zábava
The idea of not aging but still being mortal, ie not dying unless you're killed, makes alot of sense. Tolkien's elves had the same sort of "half immortality" you could say. Personally I subscribe to the theory that the White Witch was killed off, then reincarnated as the Green Witch. Good stuff as always!
Eternal youth as opposed to immortality.
Tolkien's Elves are actually more immortal then that, though misfortune can cause bodily death, their spirit go to the Halls of Mandos, a kind of waiting area, and are eventually reincarnated (in most cases, unless their sins are such that they are stuck there, like Feanor, or they gave chose mortality like Luthien and Arwen). They become, as far as I can tell, pretty much the same Elf with memories of before, far more so then is typical in the Buddhist model (hopefully I'll know more after reading the Nature of Middle Earth).
At any rate, Lewis didn't go into nearly as much detail into his Cosmology, so we don't know what happens to Jinn/Giant halfbreeds descended of Lilith on the other side - if they're like most of Tash's people - but it seems unlikely to me that undercut Aslan's sacrifice by bringing her back. Still, I believed it myself for year, probably thanks to BBC's Barbra Killerman, and also my desire to have a ultimate villain running through the series.
I have a question what program do you use to create those images of Narnia from the thumbnails and videos? I like them a lot and they are quite lovely to observe.😊
I’m reminded of the Three Fates (old age, illness, and injury); the apple of life would have allowed Jadis to overcome the first two, but like Tolkien’s elves, she was still vulnerable to the third
More like immortal but not invincible.
As a point of interest, this thing about Caspian *almost* helping the hag was a Disney -Walden media idea. In the actual books, it is just mentioned, but nothing ever comes of it. Regardless of that, Tilda Swinton as the White Witch was thoroughly a great character and I loved her even small cameo appearance in the movie. It is too bad that they didn't make Magician's Nephew.. someone out there in the world should make that movie, it is my favorite in the whole series and heavily features the White Witch.
Oh yes I was so furious they made him like that, defying Peter (an entitled boy in the movie) and almost helping her! Even the 10-year-old Caspian in the book was better educated
Perhaps it was that Tilda Swinton cameo that helped inspire the question. Movie fans would think Jadis almost returned. Book fans may not have given it as much thought.
I understand that Netflix is now creating a full series, starting with The Magician's Nephew. We'll see if it ever materializes though!
@robdejr without The Magician's Nephew, Narnia does not make sense to a new reader. It needs to be the prequel after Lion, Watch, Wardrobe.
Magician’s Nephew is my favorite too! But I literally dont know anybody else who agrees with me
I love the ending "It is finished" John 19:30
I had been confused for years as to how Aslan could have killed Jadis if she'd eaten that fruit. However, I have a possible theory, one that would also possibly extend to the Queen of Underland as well. Both the queen of Underland, at least according to Rilian (though maybe the queen put lies into his head, but assuming she is truthful, she was around at the time that the giant kings inscribed "Under Me".) Now, it's my belief that she's immortal like an Elf in Tolkien's world, in that they don't die of old age or, generally, fall ill, but CAN be slain in battle, as both the White Witch and Lady of the Green Kirtle were.
The only evil being that seemed to be TRULY immortal, in the Narnia universe, was Tash.
Everyone knows that when she was "killed" by Aslan her spirit went to the Home for Aging Super Villains for some R&R, she hung out in the lounge with Sauron and Jason Voorhees for several centuries. :)
Like the villian's pub on the channel "How it should have ended".
Given how old the Lady of the Green Kirtle claimed to be, assuming that Rilian wasn't brainwashed by her, as I stated in a post below, the Lady of the Green Kirtle may well have been around during or within a hundred years or so, at most, after the Golden Age of Narnia. She was around well before Caspian was born for certain, to have seen the inscription "under me" put in. So if she is indeed Jadis, it seems that the ceremony wouldn't have even been needed by Nikkabrik.
Fantastic point!
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I think there could be more to this, but there are a lot of unanswered questions. First, being a Jinn/Giant Hybrid, does Jadis have an immortal soul like Humans and talking animals? Next, if so, then upon her death did that soul return to Charn, or stay in Narnia? Next, if Narnia, then would her soul have gone to Tash's Country? And finally, if so, would Tash have had the ability (and further, the inclination) to release her soul back into the mortal realm? Could be an interesting "What If" scenario ;)
I think that was just a crock that Jadis told Narnians to make herself seem part of that world, now, granted that _The Magician's Nephew_ was written later, in the end, it still works that Jadis lied about her ancestry to seem more legitimate to the world of Narnia. She was completely foreign to that world. He world was dead, so she had no one (aside from Digory, Polly, King Frank I, Queen Helen, and, of course, Aslan, himself) who knew that she didn't belong to that particular world. Like I said, it may have been Lewis' original intention for her to be a Jinn/GIant hybrid witch, but I kinda like it this way because it shows a more in-depth sinister nature to the White Witch that she would lie to even her most loyal of followers to create an air around her & let her follows awe over her while still seeing her as "relatable."
I also believe this was more likely to be an urban myth that the Narnians created to explain Jadis' magical abilities and huge size. Her alien origins would have been unimaginable to them. She may have perpetuated this myth to add to the fear and mystique as well.
Welcome back, I had missed your videos.
Your analyzes are as always objective, you are absolutely right in saying that Jadis and the green witch were two different people.
Only Aslan is truly immortal.
Great job, and see you soon. 💐
Interesting. Given Trufflehunter's statement that "we should not have Aslan for a friend if we did", I thought that the goal might have simply been to try and lead the new King into dark magic, the kind of Faustian deal where you trade your goodness for power, more than an actual offer to bring back the White Witch in the literal sense. I think the newer movies were influenced by more modern fantasies so I seem to remember that scene being almost like a séance, suggesting that they really were going to bring her back. In newer fantasy, there always has to be a Big Bad and the fate of the world always has to be in peril so even in Voyage of the Dawn Treader they have this evil creeping magic. Lewis' fantasy is more prosaic, so a lot of his villains are much simpler--in Prince Caspian, a simple rightful king vs. evil usurper, in Voyage of the Dawn Treader, a simple quest that runs into magical challenges much like the Holy Grail stories. So I suspect this debate might have been re-ignited by the way the newer movies interpreted things.
I'm actually very up to this theory, that because the Witch ate the Silver Ape in Aslan's Garden and gained immortality, her spirit survived (but was imprisoned in the Void, Spirit Realm, Afterlife or whatever dimension) while her physical form was destroyed by Aslan, and that her resurrection was potentially possible via the black magic, dark ritual and "Son of Adam's blood".
Sir said: “Throw out the spoon and dunk your face IN DA BOWL” 😂
Lol!
Any chance of a video on Lewis's Great divorce?
I discovered this recently, (or rather my lady read it and new I'd love it).
I was struck both by Lewis's startlingly astute descriptions of human nature, (Lewis was surprisingly wise when it came to describing vice and evil). And by the profound similarities between that depiction of the Afterlife, and Aslan's country found in the last battle and the dawn treader.
Indeed, the descriptions of the landscapes alone were simply beautiful!
@@christosvoskresye Some deep dives on the space trilogy would be fantastic.
However, I was interested in The great Divorce in Lewis's spiritual cosmology, and his depictions of heaven, and the divine, which did seem to lead in to Narnia.
Also, if the space trilogy is comparatively unknown, then the great divorce is right off the map, and it's always fantastic to find something you haven't read before.
I grew up with Narnia as a child, found the space trilogy as a teenager, and screwtape not long after, but only got to the great divorce now!
I think Nikabrik may at least have been genuine. Even Caspian seems to have thought as much, as he has the bodies of the hag and werewolf thrown into a pit but has the dwarves give Nikabrik a decent burial. Furthermore, he laments that they hadn't won the war earlier, in which case Nikabrik might have become a good dwarf in the days of peace. Nikabrik did seem concerned for the safety of the dwarves, perhaps a bit too much. (At one point he acts like a high amount of dwarves fell in a battle, seeming to overstate their effort.) It was the fact that the White Witch seemed to get along fine with dwarves, according to the stories, plus it seemed that neither Aslan nor the four kings and queens of old were coming and they seemed to be on the verge of defeat. As for his skepticism of Aslan, that seemed to be true of ALL dwarves at the time, including Trumpkin. Admittedly Trumpkin was loyal enough to risk his life for what even he felt was a pointless quest (out of loyalty to Caspian, as well as figuring that he might as well die on a quest as die there waiting for Aslan to pick them off.) whereas Nikabrik wasn't. Still, I don't think Nikabrik was here intending to betray Caspian. It was only when Nikabrak has showed Caspian his plan and Caspian had drawn his sword and accused Nikabrik of open treason that Nikabrik turned openly hostile to him.
And Nikabrik may have thought that killing the king, so that he could resurrect the White Witch, was the only hope for Narnia, particularly the dwarves, from being wiped out by Miraz.
You should actually do a video on Nikabrik and if you viewed him as a villain or a tragic character.
That's a good point. I don't think his intentions were the same as the hag's. He certainly wanted Miraz gone and in his desperation, was willing to do whatever it took to help his fellow dwarves.
Appreciate the thoughtful response!
@@IntotheWardrobe Nikabrik certainly has prejudice, as he seemed to dislike half-dwarves like Dr. Cornelius, feeling that they were sellouts for mingling with humans. (Which is really unfair as Dr. Cornelius can't help his ancestry.) However, his dislike of Caspian was somewhat understandable, as Caspian's ancestors had killed his people. I think bitterness against Miraz and the Telmarines drove him toward evil in the end. As such, he may still have maybe made it to Narnian heaven. (One of the dwarves in The Last Battle who had attacked the Narnians as well as the Calormen, made it into Narnian heaven after all, so Nikabrik might still have a chance as those dwarves were definitely worse than him.)
I believe that the quotation was "a witch never really dies, they can always be brought back ".
Loved the Bible reference at the end.❤
Brilliant video! This theory does shine a light on the possibility of Jadis's return and the damage she and the other forces of darkness could do to the world of Narnia. I wonder how Aslan would have stopped her and saved Narnia. This does make me ponder on those possibilities but luckily the dark ritual was stopped by the grace of Aslan.🦁
I'd like to see an in-depth look at Miraz, his contemporaries, and the Telmar people in general. I feel like there's a lot of mystery and information that can be unearthed with them--perhaps a theory on why Narnia was "unpeopled" prior to their arrival (actually, that in itself could be its own separate video)? Rillian and Tirian are technically Telmarines, so they definitely play a huge part in the series. I also find it interesting that Caspian the First was basically responsible for wiping out a majority of Narnia's magical creatures, while Caspian the Tenth restored them to their rightful positions.
Good point on the deceptive nature of the Hag! Please make a theory video about what Coriakin the star did to get punished.
You’re the only one who does sponsorships so good that I don’t want to fast forward ahead :)
I personally don't think Jadis could have been resurrected. But I do think she had some connection with the Lady of the Green Kirdle. Given the Lady's extraordinary long life, it is possible that she may have been a decendant of Jadis. Whether she was her daughter or granddaughter is up for debate. But she definitely had some Charn blood in her.
I agree!
@@IntotheWardrobe I feel it could be a morgoth and Sauron situation
Wait! Aslan was the one who killed jadis in LWW so perhaps this is intentional cuz if aslan wanted to kill her permanently he absolutely could.
Excellent video.. I hadn't even thought about considering the possibility that Jadis could be brought back. Thanks for your content 💪
Excellent.
A beautiful, definitive closing.
Could you take a look into the Creatures who made up Jadis' Army, as well as the species of Narnians who made up Aslan's Army in The Lion, The Witch, & The Wardrobe? I find each of them fascinating. I'm glad your channel exists, there's not many Narniaverse-centric CZcams channels on here.
Something to add to this is Jadis wasn’t native to Narnia. She was from Charn so I think that may have an effect on her mortality or immortality
King Frank and Queen Helen weren't original to Narnia either (they came from our world), nor were their descendants.
@@jamesgravil9162 exactly. Humans in general were unique in that regard in Narnia and Jadis wasn’t even from Earth though she claims descent from both Giants and Humans
I was just thinking that the theory that the White Witch and the Lady of the Green Kirtle were the same person might have come from the fact that both were played by actress Barbara Kellerman in the BBC TV series (interestingly, Kellerman also played the hag who was trying to resurrect the White Witch and thus appeared in all three of the three-episode volumes of the BBC version, which combined Prince Caspian and the Voyage of the Dawn Treader into one volume with the first episode being Prince Caspian and the other two the Voyage of the Dawn Treader) when you mentioned it! I agree 100% with your conclusion on whether the Witch really died. After all, Aslan himself took care of that.
Ahhhh bro I love your channel so much thank you for the Narnia content man it's so awesome 😄
Thanks for the good content love the Narnia series
Excellent. Thanks.
I love your channel ❤ thanks for making such great videos and content!
My class wanted to tell you, Amazing job on the new video and the new artwork. They enjoyed the topic and already cannot wait until your next one. Thanks, Stuart, for all your hard work!
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I am so glad I found this channel! Also in the future you should make more videos on the Horse and his Boy. Its my favourite book.
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Another great video, Stuart, as always! I never thought about Jadis actually being resurrected before, but the video definitely makes you think. Thanks for that!🤍
Great video !
You have such a good voice for these videos. Very fatherly and comforting.
Thank you! Years of practice reading bedtime stories to my kids, I guess. :-)
Good stuff! Can’t wait to try the cereal!
Lol, no kidding it was really good! All those boxes were empty when I filmed because I ate them all myself!
Very well explained! The way you do these videos brings out new life and depth in the Narnia series! I love it!
*Would you ever consider making a theory video about Aslan's statement to a Telmarine soldier in The Last Battle: "The good you have done in Tash's name you do in my name, and the evil done in my name is done for Tash"? It's probably the most controversial moment in the whole series, especially considering C.S. Lewis's Christian faith that is reflected in the books.
I tend not to place too much emphasis on the that segment. It is possible that Lewis is implying that there is hope in Christ for the ignorant but worthy. However, he stated that this was a supposal, and as such, I would imagine that such a thing might be possible there that is not allowed here, especially as it is a story for children who would have hated to see Emeth no more.
Aslan's statement could just be Lewis' way of saying that no matter how misguided or evil a person is, God can accept whatever that person does and turn it into something good and can turn whatever that person does into a guiding light that can lead him back to God. God can take anything and turn it into something great... ???
I read that scene as a summary of this:
"“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” (Matthew 25:34-46)
Great video! Makes me think of the Resurrectional Hymn we sing throughout this season in the Orthodox Church:
"Christ is Risen from the Dead,
Trampling down Death by Death,
And upon Those in the tombs bestowing Life!"
As is true of Christ, in Narnia Lore only Aslan has the power over Life and also over Death! Through His own death, He completely destroyed Death.
Thank you for your video!!
Jadis and the Lady of the Green Kirtle were too different to be the same person. Jadis was a murderous tyrant who forced her will through raw power and terror. The Lady of the Green Kirtle used subtly and manipulation against her foes, only resorting to force as a last resort. Flattery was a secondary approach for the White Witch.
Jadis was a manipulator when she could not achieve her means by force. She manipulates Diggory, Uncle Andrew, and Edmund. Is it possible that as the Lady of the Green Kirtle Jadis had lost much of her power and was forced to operate by her less-preferred methods.
She could of learned. And also whats to say when she got narnia she wouldn't be cruel. Honestly I feel like that keeping the gnomes from their homes and near the surface was cruel enough. You can't take a deep sea fish and bring it up to shallow water and not call that cruel. And just because we saw no cruelty doesn't mean she wasn't.
@@StarryEyed0590 The first moment she met Digory Kirke (and Polly Plummer) Jadis was demanding and abrasive. She only resorted to manipulation afterwards. The idea of her switching personalities as the green witch is speculation with no evidence to back it up. Them being the same person comes off as fan fiction.
So morgoth s d Sauron
I don't know if they are the same people. but that his plan to invade narnia was planned to take place in autumn/winter (when Eustace and the others escape from the land, there was snow in Narnia) and that the horse she used was called "snowflake", makes me think that They are related in a certain way.
The scene of the "temptation of Caspian" in PC is part Caspian's journey to the realization that (as revealed by Aslan near the end of the book) his royal authority comes from the Adamic lineage.
The reason Caspian is supposed to never trust witches and werewolves is not because they can bring Jadis back, but because only humans must be at the top of the racial hierarchy.
The werewolf especially stresses this point, being half-human, a wolf-man.
Great video man
Thanks so much for watching!
Great Review , loved this... The Lady of the Green Kirtle , I feel is definitely another Entity. However may have a link or an alliance to Jadis.
Link maybe, but an alliance between those two would have torn itself apart. Jadis and The Lady of the Green Kirtle would have been at war with each other within a month after conquering Narina. They’re both too greedy and wouldn’t have trusted each other.
@@christosvoskresye Fixed it.
@@PeterPan54167 temporary alliance till either side has no use for the other
Love your videos!🦁
A video on what the hag truly wanted sounds very interesting
I had not seen any of the movies or other media about the books before CZcams and I always thought that the Lady of the Green Kirtle was Jadis. My theory was that the Lady was a weakened version of the White Witch who was somehow brought back. Jadis is the only woman who is both a major character and has magic powers of her own in the earlier books (chronological order). So it made sense to me that she'd be brought back a third time for another go in a more subtle way. The scene talked about in this video only made it more likely to me.
I love your videos. Thank so much for reigniting my love of Narnia. I just finished watching the Lion the Witch and the Wardeobe with my daughter. We will be going to get the book tomorrow. Do you or does anyone know any other Narnia lore podcasts?
Can't wait for your Narnia what if series and they don't have to be one shots scenarios that can be multiple Parts stories they can be very long and very detailed
i realy love this theory about the reserection
Good topic
the way spoke and wrote this episode was spectacular :D
I appreciate the encouragement!
Discovering Charn is like finding the Botany Bay containing Khan Noonien Singh.
I think the BBC added extra confusion by crediting Janus in the credits of The Silver chair too.
Yes. There was also a published version of the Silver Chair in which an editor actually erroneously included Jadis in the cast of characters. I should have mentioned that!
interesting, i wonder if that was the version that had the photographic pictures in the middle of the book, because I used to own that.
Nice bro,
next narnia creatures
I've heard about the Magic Spoon cereal, but never tried it! Have you tried Nutpod coffee creamer? It's a coffee creamer brand that is made with coconut and almond milk and it is unsweetened. It also comes in variety of flavors. My two favorites are the caramel and cinnamon swirl. It's works great especially if you're trying to limit sugar in-take!
Here's a fun video suggestion since you're thinking about making a Narnia what if series here's a fun idea you should ask your subscribers to make fan-made Narnia countries and you choose the ones you like most in the ones that would fit the world of Narnia and you can even add them to your what if Narnia series
Here we go!
Man, you were primed and ready!
@@IntotheWardrobe i was on my phone when I got the notification, immediately clicked it haha
I love the song in the intro! Would love to know its name! 0:14
For the next video, what about the first counsel of Narnia?
If you were implying that the hag intended to summon Tash (who, presumably, being the opposite of Aslan, would also be able to get to other worlds, like Charn, as well as Narnia, and thus would be behind the dark forces of all the worlds), I think that would be a very BAD move on her part, as was shown what happened when the Calormen inadvertently summoned Tash to Narnia in The Last Battle.
“The one thing about witches… you can always get them back!”
Prince Caspian
Hmmmm, very interesting. Could Jadis have been resurrected? Highly possible. And if she had somehow aligned herself with Tash, well, let's just say that it would not be good for anybody.
Next please do a story on Nikabrik
Ngl Jadis vs Miraz would’ve been a fire fight
It is possible that Jadis is both dead and alive. Her body is dead, and I agree with the video that a bodily resurrection is only possible for Aslan, but we must remember that Jadis was no daughter of Eve, but half jinni and half giant. Her soul could never go to Aslan's country, but the folklore surround jinn suggests that they do have souls, in Arabic folklore they are considered to be capable of making moral choices, or something like one, and - though not in Aslan's country - her soul, or spirit, must be somewhere. Where, we cannot say, perhaps it is floating free around Narnia, perhaps it's at back of a cupboard somewhere, or perhaps its in a sort of limbo
The dark magic of the hag might be able to raise her spirit. Magic in Narnia generally follows Biblical rules, and the raising of ghosts is a type of magic that the Bible acknowledges and condemns. Recall, again, that Jadis was half jinni, in folklore jinni are frequently described as possessive entities, her spirit, once raised, could well be able to possess someone. In this way, though she might never come back bodily, the soul of Jadis might well be able to return, and claim a new body.
But who's? Well, it seems unlikely that the cult trying to resurrect the evil queen were particularly loyal to Prince Caspian, so they would have little reason to ask the Prince's permission to do it. There is no reason to ask the Prince to come to them, and potentially expose their plans, unless they have a use for him, and that use may be to become Jadis' new body. And, Caspian would be the perfect choice, he already has a following, and has a legitimate claim to the throne, everything Jadis would need to rule again. In this way the hag might be said to speak truly, Jadis would help the Narnians to overthrow the tyranny of Miraz, but only to replace it with her own tyranny, ruling - quite literally - through Caspian.
Sometimes I think Aslan's resurrection refers to Jesus's resurrection. Jesus died for other people and their sins and also aslan died for Edmund. Both were resurrected
can you make videos on the creatures of narnia?
Hi. Who did that drawing at 6:00? I couldn't find it through reverse image search.
All the art in this video was original, made with several digital tools, mostly MidJourney and Photoshop.
@@IntotheWardrobe Wow, very nice.
People often confuse the words immortality with invincibility. The former doesn’t mean you can’t die of natural causes, only that you cannot age or live a long life, perhaps forever, but it doesn’t mean you are unkillable.
According to Meriam-Webster, immortal means not being subject to death, while invincible means incapable of being overcome or defeated. I'm not sure if there is a specific word for being incapable of dying of natural causes, maybe the term eternal youth?
Can you do a video about Maugrim or the secret police? Your videos are awesome
Thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't thought there would be enough to do a whole video but you've got me thinking! I'll add it to the list.
@@IntotheWardrobe tysm for adding it to the list as well :)
I’m pretty sure that if Asian kills you, you’re dead lol
Oh geez, those are great questions. I’m just glad she didn’t have a palantîr. Yeesh, that would be creepy.
His Power. Amen 🙏🏼
Star Wars fans to Narnia fans:……somehow Jadis returned.
I was thinking the same theory as you that she didnt really die but as a punishment for her actions aslan locked her in a magic ice block where she could move and talk but she couldnt go beyond the borders unless someone pulled her out
Narnia! 👑❤
Could you make a theory video of what would have happened if she was resurrected?
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At the end of the silver chair it is brought up that Jadis and the lady may be the same. But from here this is just my thoughts. Jadis spoke the word and her body became a statue. Through this she was able to live for countless years so it isn't a stretch to believe she could of done this again. She is also put up in the same catagory as tash. Meaning that according to are favorite lion she has a lawful prey this stands to reason that she would have to be alive to collect her lawful prey. And one more thing Jadis did know about the deeper magic after all she used it to destroy her own world. Give it some thought please. Are lion says that their was a magic before time and Jadis was way before the time of Narnia. Lastly the fact that Jadis was even able to destroy her own world then save herself speaks to her power. Their is only one other that shows that power. I think it's safe to asume that when Jadis fled to the north she left apart of herself their so if she died she could try again for narnia. And ask yourself one more question before I'm done. What would of happened if Jadises bell was rung again? I personally think that another statue would of awaken maybe someone that was more powerful then her.
I have a question about the Narnian Lore: Who is Swanwhite? Was there two Swanwhites? I’m confused because I went to the Wikipedia and it didn’t explain much about the second swanwhite and only the first swanwhite.
In "The Last Battle", Swanwhite is mentioned as being a Queen of Narnia before the White Witch conquered it, whose beauty was so great that it was said that her reflection remained in any mirror or water for a year after she had looked into it. In some of Lewis' other, unpublished writings, such as a timeline he created for Narnia, he seems to have changed his mind about the time she lived in and placed her after the time of the White Witch, thus leading to confusion, including the idea that there were two queens named Swanwhite. I tend to treat the published accounts as the "official" canon.
I think people are confusing the concept of immortality with invincibility here as many were confused how aslan could kill her despite her being “immortal” in most media immortality is simply eternal youth, you cannot die of old age or natural causes like disease or poisons. But you can still be killed and slain in a battle many are bringing up the elves in lord of the rings which are a perfect example they are in theory immortal but many die in wars fought against morgoth and Sauron. Hell even in depictions of mythological gods such as the Greek gods they are immortal but they can still be killed although its incredibly difficult. Invincibility is when absolutely nothing can harm you and you are impervious to any harm both natural and unnatural.
Am I crazy or am I just stupid pls reply… LotGK had a dead man's switch for when she died. So the White Witch must have as well. Both witches must have been aware of their possible eventual death. The White Witch's death triggered LotGK.
Jadis in the lion, the witch and the wardrobe, implies that she was the executioner of Narnia, who killed traitors and that her role was assigned to her by the Great Emperor Beyond the Seas (Aslan's father).
What if, when she ate the fruit of immortality, she became "a goddess" linked to Narnia, something like Santa Claus or the great Father Time, with roles in the world.
In the ordering of Narnia and the creation of unfathomable magic, she was assigned the role of "Executioner", or as an opponent and the North became the place of exile for the Narnians who "sinned" and Jadis, with this role of Executioner, punished them,
She would turn animals into horrendous and hybrid creatures, humans into giants and his entire future army would be these creatures that were obliged to serve her but that after generations forgot her and would be his queen, his creator, the North became a second garden. of dark Eden with all these creatures, also in a kingdom (the city in ruins).
With this role, Jadis was untouchable by Aslan, which is why she was never killed until then.
Eventually, Jadis would break this order, invading Narnia and bringing chaos, keeping the entire dimension immune to the arrival of other interdimensional beings, such as Santa Claus or Dionysus.
And if we consider the theory in your other video, that the lady in the green skirt is the daughter of Jadis, and that she was pregnant in charm and comes to Narnia. The term "Lady" can also be used in princesses. She talks about how her race was divine (Jadis had a lot of pride in her race). She was able to inherit immortality when Jadis ate the silver fruit. She was also going to carry out her plan to attack Naenia in autumn/winter, she had a white horse called "snowflake". She knew Aslan, whom she feared, the creatures that lived underground and would destroy Narnia, and she lived in the North a long time ago.
In the same way that the Charnians were fraticides, there was a war between mother and daughter in the northern kingdom. The green witch would have the giants as an ally (who would be intelligent, Harfang) and Jadis would have the rest of the creatures. In this confrontation, Jadis would win but the city would be destroyed (the city in ruins). Jadis would turn the giants into beings without intelligence (except for the Harfang giants who would be the only survivors), and would punish her daughter by turning her into what she is inside, a traitor snake.
During all this time, the green witch was under this spell planning revenge, she needed to consume magic to return to her humanoid form momentarily, and she is helped by Harfang by capturing Narnian creatures so that she can feed on her magic.
During all this time, she would create her kingdom underground by controlling the creatures that lived there and stealing their power. It is not until he kills Rillian's mother that she consumes a large amount of energy (star magic), which allows her to return to his humanoid form for a long time, but she runs out quickly, so she decides to kidnap Rillian (star human hybrid, not only to invade Narnia but to steal its magic and have an eternal source of energy. As we see, she repeats the spell on the silver chair daily but does not perform it on the Terrans, or when he tries to cast a spell on Eustace, Jill, etc.
The silver chair is like a magic extractor, which the lady must use daily to retain her humanoid form, if she does not do so, she turns back into a snake, which is why she needed the prince so much and did not kill him before.
She sought to conquer Narnia, as revenge against her mother and to take what she taught her to hate
After eating the silver apple from the hilltop garden in the Western Wild, Jadis got her immortality, but also get sadness and misery along with it. So when Aslan made it to the Battle of Beruna and pounced on her to put her out of her misery, Aslan must’ve destroyed the immortality in her body.
Why did aslan only agree to meet with Jadis if she "left her wand behind" was aslan afraid of her wand? Could her wand work on aslan? Since aslan came back from the dead and seemed more powerful, if the white witch came back to life would she also recieve a power boost? 😲
What is dead may never die
Wait, help me understand your Tash/Jadis theory.
So Tash came to Narnia via Jadis and then left her body to be the god of Calormen. Then Jadis died and Tash lived on until the end of Narnia?
I'd say that sums it up. :-)
I think so as long as he was willing it looked like the ritual required partial willingness on the giver of the blood once blood had been drawn and it touched her she could come back
Just remember Jadis showing up and wanting blood was an invention of the movie. Great scene, but the book's rather more hypothetical regarding the ritual.
Actually, the Hag said to Doctor Cornelius, Caspian's advisor and former tutor: "Learned Master Doctor, whoever heard of a witch that really died? You can always get them back." Reminds me of Steven King's creepy short story, "Sometimes They Come Back", which also deals with raising the dead. That Hag and her cronies wanted to raise the spirit of a dead witch who ruled Narnia for a hundred years of winter. Only evil beings like themselves would have thrived under her rule. Fortunately, the Pevensies arrived in time and so Ding! Dong! The witch is dead! and is going to stay that way.
Something I wondered for a while is why didn't Susan Edmund Lucy Peter ever getting married in the series because they spent so long in there and they never married and it's a weird in the narnian Dark Ages it says they were other kings and queens when they left but where did they come from😅
It is a bit of a mystery, but it's not like there weren't those who tried. One of the main plot points of The Horse and His Boy is that Susan goes to Calormen to court Prince Rabadash and when she decides she doesn't want him, they realize they will need to subtly sneak out, lest the prince make her his wife by force, and then the prince seeks to go after her, and take over Arkenland first before capturing her in Narnia, setting up the main conflict of the book.
Perhaps after that ordeal, Susan was a bit more wary of going off to other lands to court men. :)
Also, it creates a sort of dilemma. In the simplest case, say Peter or Edmund had a wife and a daughter, and the daughter was married to some other kingdom, hence never taking the throne of Narnia, thus avoiding the situation in the second scenario (listed below), then Peter and Edmund would have come back in Book 4, hoping to see their long lost spouse and child, only to discover that their wife and daughter had died hundreds of Narnian years earlier and that they had great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren. It would sort of be what may have happened to the guy in a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, who somehow got sent back from the 1800's to the Middle Ages and I think had a wife, and possibly a child too, but somehow got put to sleep by Merlin for at least 1000 years and woke up in his own time again, where his wife and child were long dead. in this scenario, books 4-7 could happen as usual but would certainly have some interesting subplots, at the very least with Peter and/or Edmund looking for their very long lost descendants and having a lot of explaining to do to them as to why they just disappeared and ran out. This scenario is still the nicest of the three.
In a more extreme case, if they were married, it could be possible that either Lucy or Susan were pregnant when they were switched back to their original age, which would be VERY awkward for Susan to explain to her family when she got back to our world, to say the least, and possibly may have killed Lucy if she was only 8 or so when she came to Narnia. Either way, these events would have greatly altered books 4-7.
In the most extreme case, they could leave a spouse and a son behind. If this happened, it could have possibly altered the events of Prince Caspian, or rather a key event hundreds of years before the events of Prince Caspian. You see, Narnia never had a true king or queen, I guess, after the end of the Golden Age and eventually the Telmarines invaded the disorganized Narnia. Had one of the four Kings and Queens of old left an heir, it's theoretically possible that Narnia may not have fallen, meaning, possibly, Caspian I was killed in battle in his attempted invasion of Narnia about 200 years after the end of the Golden Age and Miraz, Caspian X, Rillian, and Tirian were never born, as well as the seven lords of Narnia either never being born or being born in Telmar instead of Narnia. That would change a LOT of events in the Narnian saga, pretty much eliminating Books 4-7 right there, or at least greatly altering them.
I get that it's possible it COULD have happened, but it's a big can of worms plot-wise.
Speaking of lost heirs, though, I'm a bit curious as to what happened to Helen and Frank's Narnian heirs by the time of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, or, specifically, about 100 years before when the 100 Year Winter began and the White Witch took over. Did Jadis kill the Narnian heirs or had they all died out somehow before the White Witch came when the Tree of Protection died?
We know that the Archenland line was still around at the time of The Last Battle (or at least it was never formally stated that Archenland had never formally fallen to Calormen like Narnia did, so presumably that line was still around at the end of the world.), but the fate of the Narnian line is a mystery. I do believe I read somewhere that one of the Narninan line saved the Lone Islands from a pesky dragon and that's how the territory ended up in Narninan control, but that was before the White Witch's reign in Narnia by a good amount of years.
@@littlefoot5013 I personally think Jadis hunted down and killed all humans in Narnia at the beginning of the Hundred Year Winter, thus ending Frank and Helen's line (in Narnia. Some of their descendants survived in Archenland, given the presence of human Narnian nobles in The Horse and His Boy. They must either be descended from Narnian refugees or Archenlanders who decided to move to Narnia after the war's end.)
I think the real question is was there a third dynasty (or possibly a string of short-lived dynasties) between the disappearance of the Pevensies and the Telmarine invasion? And if so, who would have ascended to the throne?
I'm not sure there are any canon answers. To me, three reasonable possibilities exist: 1) Narnia was ruled by stewards/council/etc following the Golden Age, much like Gondor in the Lord of the Rings. 2) A human Narnian noble seized power (whether peacefully or through violence) or 3) Aslan directed the rise of a new monarch over Narnia and it is simply never mentioned. That person could have been Narnian, Archenlander, Calormene, from the Islands, or even from our world (the most fan-fic-y answer)
@@christosvoskresye Archenland, obviously, as the first part of my post stated. The Horse and His Boy includes at least one human Narnian noble, Lord Peridan.
@@christosvoskresye No, I'm saying that people of Narnian heritage survived in Archenland during the Hundred Year Winter, and their descendants returned to Narnia during the Golden Age OR that there was a migration of Archenlander citizens (who share descent from Frank and Helen with the pre-Pevensie Narnian humans) into Narnia, and these people became Narnian citizens. That's the common sense explanation for the canon fact that there is a human who is a citizen of Narnia and subject of King Edmund, Queen Susan and the rest, and is referred to by the title of "Lord" living during the Golden Age.
@@christosvoskresye Sure, I specifically said he probably was living in Archenland during the War, and may or may not have been descended from Narnian refugees. That doesn't make him *not* Narnian, though.
I wonder what is the deep magic
There's no real strong suggestion to really believe that Jadis could have been resurrected, but sacrifice has always been the key to "powerful magic." I think that they were planning to use Prince Caspian as much as they could, possibly to get secrets to the weaknesses of Miraz & the Telmarines then sacrifice him for their dark magic once they felt they got all they needed from him.
Oh heres an update for you on what Ive been up to vertually on roblox my best friend that Ive known for a while has built an actual narnia prop server where it takes place during the first movie before the pevensie kids came around aslan wasnt in it which was disapointing but I wanted to be able to have an access point to it and I wanted it to include my favorite transport device the elevator so I built a special one on my testing facility that teleports you from point A to point B within Id say 10 to 20 seconds
Hey everyone if you don't know this he's actually planning on making a what-if Narnia series with what if scenarios if you have a scenario put it in my comment so when he sees this he can see your idea Warrior scenario😊 let's give him some good ideas
I already know some people will what a what-if about Susan and Caspian😅 I like how that came into existence just because the movie
At best the green witch is a recaration of Jadis' evil nature. I mean reincarnation figuratively.
Interesting topic! Just out of curiosity, is some of this art AI-generated? :)
Yes, most of the art is created by making the elements with MidJourney and the editing & combining them into a final image in Photoshop.
@@IntotheWardrobe Ah! Man, I though for sure that had to be some Prince Caspian concept art I had missed, with how similar it looked to those characters and sets - I assume MidJourney took the movie as reference.
How long have you been using AI for these videos?
@@IntotheWardrobe Interesting, must be a big boon to video creators in this format. Thanks for answering!
@@MagusMarquillin I try to guide the art to look somewhat similar to the imagery the audience is familiar with, but honestly I'd prefer to have characters that aren't dead ringers for the Walden Media films. The current state of AI, it's much easier use those actors as references.
I started using AI last Summer. The life of Edmund was the first one, but the image generation was still in its infancy and it's come and incredibly long way since then.
It still takes a lot of work to produce nms that's up to standards, but I'm thankful for the tool.
You think since Netflix bought the rights to The Chronicles of Narnia they're going to make more Narnia books I wouldn't mind having a lot more Narnia books😅
If only C.S. Lewis had written more! I don't believe Netflix has the rights to publish more books. That might be a good thing! :-)
She never died,
She's among us right now.
With another name..
You ought to delete that 🙏 and pray
While it was interesting how the Prince Caspian movie played with the idea of Jadis's return in the flesh I actually I have an darker theory connecting to Jadis.
Y'know how Aslan had killed her ala 'applying' he ate her right? What-if part of Jadis's soul was infecting Aslan himself? What I mean is while Aslan is faultless in
Magician's Nephew, Lion, Witch & the Wardrobe, and Prince Caspian included he was...at times appearing as villianious as Jadis herself in the other books.
Like take in Silver Chair where he tells Jill Pole with 'no emotion' that he swallows kingdoms & children whole, appearing to coerce Jill that she has no other option
than his stream...forgive me that doesn't seem like the Aslan that willingly sacrificed himself for Edmunds sake! It also ties to what happened in Horse and his Boy
where he had directly harmed (Wish I could remember her name. Was it Avarice?) that Calormen girl who was with Shasta clawing into her to the point she nearly
fainted is yet again a Seeming White Witch thing. You can argue that was to force them to move, but he didn't need to actually harm them. Just being a false ferocious
lion would've been enough; which leads me to think a part of Jadis was influencing him. As for Dawn Treader it wasn't just the Eustace scene (hoping Netflix doesn't
show it like the book did.) but that part were Lucy was in the Wizard's library and Aslan had pinned an deeply threatening growl on his closest friend/ally over an
beauty spell, and while I could understand the lesson on remaining humble him calling Susan 'An fool'...is...Oh no. Susan was like almost as important as Lucy
to him so why'd he call her 'fool' if Jadis wasn't a part of his personality? Last Battle is the Big Red-Flag. We all know about Susan's fate, but when I re-read the story
last-year I found it incredibly disturbing that Aslan didn't just discard Susan, but he discarded his own People the ones who failed at being faithful sentenced to an non-
existent oblivion. These were fellow talking beasts, his very creation he had done this to. How can this be an purely heroic figure if he did that? Again pardon my
blasphemy but isn't it eerie how Jadis's action of the 'Deplorable Word' ended her world when she chose she couldn't win, mirrors what Aslan did, seeming to not bother
with repairing what was left of his original Narnia? I already feel Last Battle is the best and worst book, but that still doesn't look good in Aslan's case whom at this
point might as well had been the Witch practically resurrected! Maybe it was like an kind of Horcrux on the witch's part and while Aslan's initial distancing himself
from the new Queens and Kings seems innocent he may had actually been trying to keep himself from them fearing what he may do to them, with part of Jadis in him.
Yep.....my POV of events is Way grim and depressing, but I basically view Last Battle as like OG 'family-friendly' Berserk anyhow!
Why didn't Aslan kill her before he did? She was evil as he clearly knew. Why then and not before or at very least remove her from Narnia back to Charn? He knew where that was.