Miscellaneous Myths: Loki
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“Loki finds a half-burned heart, eats it, and becomes pregnant”
Another Tuesday
*Half*-burned.
Yeah that's Hel.
Loki _Athena'd_ Hel!
Another Tyr's day
Woah slow down there. Don't bring Týr into this mess.
It's Friday
@@thewraithwriter22 Nobody's talking about Freya, we're talking about Loki.
Loki, the God of: We’ve been tricked, we’ve been backstabbed, and we’ve been quite possibly bamboozled
For a God of Trickery, being utterly confusing as a character makes a lot of sense
Loki: God of being smeckledorfed
Dionysus God of wine and getting drunk. Will come to bless me and get drunk with me? Oh great Dionysus God of wine.
I swear to fuk if he is to be referred by that title
God of trickery, backstabbing and bamboozling
Or God of Information
something this doesn't point out about the conclusion of Loki being a god of family, is that he's simultaneously a father, mother, and playful mischievous child
He is whole package
the father, the son and the mother
Yes
*starts writing conspiracy theories about Loki being the holy trinity but with a norse name*
1K like! Also yea that's Loki
All this convinces me of what I’ve always known, Bugs Bunny is the purest form of Loki.
Seems about right ✅
That, I believe, is Brer Rabbit, which is congent to the hare in many African myths
I mean, the cross dressing/gender fluidity, the trickery, the trolling while still being benevolent... It all fits perfectly.
oh he absolutely is
Does that imply Daffy or Elmer is Odin?
Loki: *is a shapeshifter*
Loki: *looks around to see if anyone is watching*
Loki: *turns into Jesus*
Hahahahhahaha and then straight into Satan
Then back to himself somewhere along the line between Hell and getting back to Asgard for tea and little fairy cakes.
On easter.
He doesn't look a thing like jesus, but he talks like a gentleman
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Imagine how ironic it would be if his worship was mainly from mothers that needed to deal daily with their children's mischief, and they prayed to Loki to protect them
That wouldn't be ironic, that would be prolific. Judging by his character he is both a problem solver and a maker of problems so if his origins are connected to the home, it would not be too hard to argue that he would conjure a feeling of safety for mothers, they would pray to him that their children would be safe.
Hypothetically "Gods that child is such a troublemaker, better pray to Loki so that he will help them get out of trouble"
@@Southseapirate that interpretation is honestly super sweet.
aMAZING
@@Southseapirate headcannon accepted
YES! Many pieces of the puzzle fall into place under this schema. Very cool
"8 legged horse."
"Invented the net"
"Loki" or other variants meaning spider in modern scandinavian.
Yeah, Loki is the spider god.
Where's my Loki as Spider-Man fanfic?
Based on the vid we just watched, domestic-fire-illusion-trans-parent-spider god sounds more accurate 😜
@@michaelpugmire4533 Anansi
I see this and raise you: Octopus god.
Mostly because Octopi are clever lil fuckers and are known for being fairly tricksy as far as invertebrates go.
@@SerDerpish ah so he's like Apollo attributed to a lot of things, worshiped for a couple of things
Loki as a protector of families and children definitely makes sense. He's basically the John Wick of mythology. You banish his daughter, banish his son, enslave his son, chain his son, kill his final children and use their intestines to bind him to a rock to suffer torture. In response, Loki brings about the end of the world and the death of the gods; seems like they had it coming. You don't mess with someones kids.
Kratos will remember that…
Pretty sure Loki used to be some kind of mother goddess that got gender-switched somewhere along the line of oral tradition.
No, you don't! 🙂👍👍
Well he also murdered the god of goodness soooo…he kinda had it coming?
And don't forget killing his dog.
"You can't be Jesus and Satan at the same time"
Loki: "Observe"
Agreed.
🙄😅😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
He could do what now?
He should work at McDonald’s.
He just can be whoever he wants a male or female, a human or horse, satan or Jesus
he’s just that ｍｙｓｔｅｒｉｏｕｓ
"And he's canonically pretty so the fanfic kinda writes itself"
*_W H E E Z E_*
Is this a Shenpai joke?
And Marvel made it even better by having Tom Hiddleston play as Loki in the Marvel Films.
Loki. That one pretty god no one knows the domains of.
@@boulderingperson6663 OF WHAR
@@nevergonnagiveyouup894 That would make him like, what the fifth one in Norse mythology?
Red: *apologizes for calling Loki a fire deity*
Also Red: *explains why loki might absolutely be a fire deity*
Actually, she said that he could have been a God of home and family AND fireplaces, I mean, might be related to in some level since most homes have fireplaces in the Icelandic worlds but not his main thing, you know just another in the list
@@lettuce6749 so you're saying he might be kinda like Apollo in terms of what his domain is, god of several things but only worshipped for one or two
In the Utgard-Loki story he is shown to be a championship eater, which may be a reference to fire burning everything.
@@DarthBorehd eh.... that would be more of Logi, aka the guy Loki LOST to in the eating contest in Utgard-Loki's story.
@@torazely But it was close. That's the point. He nearly beat a literal bonfire. That is why a lot of mythologists think he might have originally been a fire deity.
Wait a minute: Loki is a mischievous household spirt. We always hear that if you don't treat household spirits well, they mess with you. So in the Aesir are shown treating Loki badly, and Loki thus messing with them. Perhaps Loki's deific function is that he is the household spirt, the "Loki" of the Aesir's household. Ultimately helpful to them, but they keep messing with him. So if the Aesir are shown as flawed, perhaps one of their flaws (which would have been a flaw to the culture) is that they often mistreat their household spirit. . .and it is that flaw that ulitimately does them in.
So he's a household spirit, but for the entire world?
According to my Swedish stepfather, "Don't piss off your household spirit" is practically a subgenre of Scandinavian folktales, so Loki being the Gods' household spirit who brings about the end of the world they ruled because they mistreated him feels very believable.
Who knows if that was the "original" intention of Loki in the mythology, but it would make for a great premise for some Norse mythology inspired stories.
Yeah! Maybe Loki was just the word for a household spirit? Maybe Utgard-Loki is just the Loki for that castle, which is why he protects it?
Wait a minute! Does that mean that the white smurf that curses Nills Holgersson is Loki?
@@niserresin2006the way I interpreted it is that Loki’s domain is essentially an equivalent to Hestia is Greek mythology. At least, that’s the way it makes sense to me- 😅
Honestly, Loki being a deity of children would honestly explain a lot, and I mean a *lot* about him.
XD your right your right
Santa Clause? Maybe a Crampus connection.
All I can think of in this context are kids trying to explain a questionable point of behavior by (a) coming up with extremely lame lies or (b) outright admitting they have no fucking idea what they were thinking when they stuck a banana in their nose, or whatever idiot thing it was that they did.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 That might also go with the fact that one of the people Santa is based on, other than St Nick is Odin....
Narfi: Jingle bells
Hel: Odin smells
Sleipnir: Loki is the rightful king
Jorm: He had these feels
Fenrir: Everyone kneeled
Vali: Until Thor ruined everything!
Loki, tearing up: I am a proud parent~
“*Arrested for fish crimes* and also murder” is absolutely fantastic
Loki has always been a bit fishy
@@benikujaku4567 I'm pretty sure he handles salmon suspiciously
@@Ropetrick6 is that fucking FISH JENGA
IS THAT FUCKING FISH JENGA?!
*fintastic
The thing I love about Loki is even with all the trickery and mischief he never once did anything mean to humans. In one story it's said that he actually had a love for humans.
Probably cause we're chaotic as all hell.
And really, you can’t call him a bad guy if he is the one parents ask to babysit their childrens souls or whatnot :) he is literally seen as the one who safeguards the innocent and weak.
It actually made me think that Loki has his realm in our world. Forget what it's called but the Norse have our world as a realm and I don't THINK I remember any god ruling here. So it makes me think his realm is here and that his war on the gods and the aftermath of Ragnarok with starting new again has the gods start anew and have new humans to protect. Also him making a fishing net. Makes me think of a god of civilization in a way.
These are just my conclusions tho, don't have anything to really back it up.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 our realm is Midgard. But I have a feeling you are right.
Yeah, he usually goes toe to toe with the Aesir, Jotnar, Dwarves, Ljosafar/Svartalf, Vanir, etc... but never with humans. Usually his "victims" (if you can call most of them that) are beings that are just as strong as him and can fight back
Odin: “I see in the future, Loki, I see a scholar appreciating the well-documented history of your role in Norse mythology.”
Loki: “Uh, the scholar just easily finishes my story? No challenges? BORING! Let me fix that.”
Odin: Yeah... say how about I burn the entire library, that ought to get under their nerves.
Loki: already done, I think I already hear people screaming in annoyance.
Odin: I can already smell the chaos... hold on... hear me out... what about, we just comission a shit load of fan art and stories about you.
Loki:.... that is... THE BEST IDEA EVER COME ON!
*Later that day*
Thor: Father... why is the entire treasury empty?
Odin: It's loki's fault
Loki: What? oh come on.... totally worth it
"The greatest trick Loki ever played was conveniencing others that Loki existed."
Odin: “Loki, can you explain why you converted all of Scandinavia to Christianity and added stories where you’re the father of your pet snake and dog, birthed a horse, killed Baldur, got chained up, and will cause Ragnarok?”
Loki: “Oh, believe me, you’ll see.”
He’s probably just sitting wherever his domain is wondering if he should tell us yes or not because it’s so funny, yet so painful to watch us struggle to figure him out.
The fact that even modern scholars are sacrificing their sanity to identify him makes Loki the ultimate trickster god.
He's probably enjoying all this very much lol
Oh look, Loki _does_ have sacrifices after all. Still does, in fact.
Scholars: go mad from stress
Loki: lol get prankt nerds I don't mean anything
Somewere Loki is sitting with a horn of mead giggling his arse of screaming “screw your thesis little mortal.”
He’s looking at us with a funny smile
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who saw Odin yeeting Loki's kids into various abysses and thought "Ah yes. The beginning of the revenge arc."
That's the power of tropes, baby!
Sounds like a perfect story to turn into a tragic tale of fatherhood for modern audiences
@@3asianassassin The MCU fanfic writers are already on it lol.
And of course, the classic self fulfilling prophecy. Which is usually more of a Greek thing, but it works.
I genuinely always found the story of fenrir sad. They were so worried about him and in cruely betraying him for little real reason bought about his hate and revenge. Who knows, he may have made a powerful ally and friend.
It's a good example of the norse gods being flawed, not always good beings.
The story of Tyr and Fenris is ripe for dramatization- a man and his beloved wolf companion, ultimately made to betray his lupine friend over matters of a greater good, sacrificing a literal piece of himself while abusing Fenris' trust to capture him, losing a metaphorical piece of himself by the end of it and leaving Fenris alone and bitter, to one day join the enemy and thus fulfil the prophecy that this was meant to subvert.
A great tragedy, given the right story telling and emphasis.
The even bigger tragedy is that, had Tyr and the Aesir NEVER betrayed Fenrir, then Fenrir wouldn't be out for revenge. This was a self-fulfilling prophecy
You could even go further and dramatize Loki and Odin in a similar manner, with odin being a paranoid a-hole and Loki being manipulated to look like a villain, gaslit into doing evil things and subsequently becoming the villain they all feared. Kinda like Mizu from Blue Eye Samurai.
Loki being a household spirit does kind of make sense. In other folklore, household spirits are often mischievous or tricksy.
Every time I wash my socks, they steal one - and ONLY one - from the dryer.
@@cheezemonkeyeater In Spanish folklore (I am not Spanish, btw), duendes are many types of spirits, and often household ones (the are the equivalent of gnomes I think). They are mischieveous at their best morality (downright demonic at their worse). They are so linked to everything that dissapears in the house that their name, "Duende" is short for "DUEño DE la casa", "owner of the house.
According to my Swedish stepfather, "Don't piss off your household spirit" is practically a subgenre of Scandinavian folktales, so Loki being the Gods' household spirit who brings about the end of the world because they mistreated him feels very believable.
Hades: I can't believe they mixed me with Satan!
Loki: First time?
I wonder what would those two get up too? Well more like hades and Persephone meat hel.
@@willnorman-bargo Yeah. Hades, Persephone, Hel, Ereshkigal and Izanami. And Loki... Loki is Hestia 😂 (24:45)
@@mashakravchenko5796 I feel like Izanami-sama would be like... Ranting about her husband breaking his promise, while Persephone like... Headpats her or something...
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Headcanon approved!
@@mashakravchenko5796 Double approved! Oooh, while Loki plays with Cerberus and tells him about Fenris!😍
“Loki is a mass of contradictions.”
Honestly, I think that’s exactly what Loki wanted in the first place.
I've heard that Sobek has the same problem. But in his case, it wasn't on purpose.
@@desrochessimon3044 changed with the Nile...
lol
I mean it's Loki
Loki: I AM ALL AND I AM NOTHING!!! I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END!!! I WAS HERE BEFORE YOU ALL AND I WILL BE LONG AFTER YOUR NAME IS FORGOTTEN TO THE SANDS OF TIME!!!
Odin: This is why we don't give him too much attention.
"Loki, please watch over my kids."
"Sure thing, I have so many kids, what's a few million or so more?"
Here in Norway, Loke/Loki is kinda a scapegoat. We blamed him for stealing our socks or spoons, making children do mischief or even grown ups cheating and stealing. We also thanked him when said spoon returned and said "oh he probably finished with it now". Later the persona turned into what is known as "vetter" wich kind of translates into "little guys/elfes" wich also fills the same role as mischievous entities. As far as we know Loke has always been a part of the Norse mythology, adopted by Odin after he slays his father and promises that his son will not grow up to be an orphan. Even the research of Thor Heyerdahl found the names Odin Tor and Loke in old Balkan writing's predating norse runes and depictions.
Wait so when you lose a sock doing laundry do you say something like "Loke din lille skurk!"
?
Odin to Baldr’s Corpse: Bro, trust me, this will be totally worth it in a couple centuries.
Imagine if he just whispered something like "You smell like updog."
Imagine if he whispered "why are you called Balder. I am going Balder. "
@@LuckySketches Baldr sits up like "what's updog?"
and everyone laughs
"Sooooo....can I have your things? I mean, it's not like you need them anymore...."
@@user-dk7dh9cv7i no
"Thor isn't the god of getting drunk and hitting stuff" That's not a god, that's just a scandinavian person
damn, they caught us
SCATTER
“is ur god always drunk and hitting things? that’s not ur god, that’s just a scandinavian citizen.” lol
It's why we scandinavia is at the top of the happiness charts so much :V
Using that logic, I wonder what this says of the ancient Greeks...
Dionysus: no....
Btw, in Loki's feast poem in Edda, apart from some other charming accusations that fly across the table, Odin calls Loki out for living for nine years at Midgard as a lass - Loki being the shapeshifter he is changing his biology to that one of a human woman and giving birth to many kids in the meantime. Loki retorts by reminding Odin that he himself, the allfather, walked around Midgard as a prophet - that being pretty much the same thing, therefore not Odin's place to really talk. The thing is, Odin in his obsession with knowledge wished to obtain the ability of prophecy, which by aesir rules was obtainable only for women. His only chance was to live both sexually and socially as a woman at Midgard for some time, to prove himself worthy of this ability and the status of an aesir woman. Just a bit of a trans-Norse mythology fun fact, sorry.
Yes the Allfather lived as a female witch to obtain his/her Wiccan knowledge LOL.
Haha well hey if it means power I'll live as anything to get it
The reason why Odin does this is not because he's "Trans" that's ridiculous.
The reason is because in Pagan cultures, the Gods are shown doing acts that were outside of the norm or even illegal. Crossdressing, murder, practicing Feminine arts like Seiðr, and adultery. It was examples of not only of things not to do, but also understanding divinity, the Gods would go to great lengths to get done what needs to be done, but those things were not available to the Creation, us.
Please stop using a modern filter on history, that is how you rot tradition and the faith as a whole. Odin, Loki, Thor, none of them were transgender. Crossdressing was criminal and gay sex was seen as indecent, especially if you were taking it. Distorting history distorts the present.
@blooeagle5118 ofc it wasnt a word back then but loki was definetly non binary by our standards changing with no problem lots of time with no real reason beyond cause he liked to, give it whatever name you want
Loose me with the transphobia and homophobia disguised as being historically accurate bs
"Before we all judge Loki, let's consider whose more irresponsible. The guy who gives birth to a horse or the the guy who rides his nephew into battle." XDXDXD
Never thought I'd ever hear Loki and Jesus figure in the same sentence.
I foo
I'll tell you one more believable
Loki tricked a jesus figure. There.
turning wine into clamato
@@minecraftgirl8733 Or Loki killed the Jesus-figure Baldr :p
Your saviour is here!
I feel like the whole "Loki's history being frustrating to try and figure out" thing is the biggest long con from everyone's favorite green trickster.
💯
But WAS he actually green in the first place? The plot thickens...
I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on CZcams. I already make a lot of money on CZcams. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, neil
@@AxxLAfriku you should keep doing both,that's my opinion
@@marcindzamroga8945 Yeah, isn't he red haired or something?
I saw a piece of fan art someone made. It featured Loki along with four of his children, Sleipnir, Hel, Jormundgandr, and Fenrir.
Sleipnir says “No, that’s Mommy!”
Hel (or one of the other three kids) replies “No, that’s Daddy!”
Sleipnir: “I’m the oldest, so that makes me right!”
Hel: “There’s three of us and one of you! That means we’re right!”
And Loki has his hand on his face and a look saying
“Oh, Odin, I shouldn’t have had these kids so close together.”
Please find that. I want to save it lol
@@IliadicI can’t provide a link. But try putting these terms in a search engine: siblings' dispute, loki, drawing.
@@jessicadecuir5622 Found it. Quite funny lol
@@jessicadecuir5622 why can’t you?
I can't wait for the far distant future where historians somehow mix Loki from Marvel with Loki from mythology to the point where Tom Hiddleston is either thought to be Loki, a different name for Loki, or an avatar of Loki
"Who's more irresponsible: the guy who gives birth to a horse or the guy who rides his nephew into battle."
Wow, and I thought Norse mythology couldn't sound any weirder. XD
Are they not the same person?
Both
@@alexritch6747 no, Loki gave birth to the horse and Odin (his bloodbrother) rides it into battle
For real... I didn't know Odin's horse was Loki's child. I just thought Odin or someone created a horse when he was too lazy to walk.
@@charlottekraker4152 But later in the video she says that maybe they are aspects of each other
People's interpretation of Loki: SATAN or Rebel Antihero
Actual Loki: *Can't stop getting pregnant*
“Every time” - a pregnant Loki
@@deirvindavis5093 what the actual fok
MTV Teen Moms: Loki
the thing about Loki being preg make me wonder if he was original a goddess but later morph into a male god. Perhaps an aspect of freya
@Olivia Disko *genderfluid
Hypothetically if Loki was a god of the hearth and family, could Ragnarok have been a warning on betraying family?
Võluspá says that family will turn against family during Ragnarok, so yeah.
It's interesting that trickster figures in mythology always seem to have the most confusing and self-contradictory legends.
It's ALSO interesting how many tricksters are depicted as having some association with spiders.
Ancient Aliens be like: did the spider people decide to screw up mythological history to troll modern people.
Spider-myth, spider-myth, does whatever a spider-myth can.
You could say they liked to....weave a web of lies?
@@malaksafa4074 Take my like, now go stand in the corner and think about what you’ve done.
@@malaksafa4074 I mean, spiders are small, fast creatures that entangle prey with careful and delicately crafted webs. Plus they’re venomous and can sometimes take down larger prey.
I don’t think it’s too out there to see them as cunning, intelligent or tricksy creatures.
"27 minutes to say we legitimately don't know" - you are now a fully qualified historian.
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“Step up your game, Duolingo.” You are very brave to challenge the eldritch abomination known as Duo.
Well, at least she'll arrive in Folkvangr to great applause...
Brave? Or foolish?
I bet don't time this century somebody is gonna be doing this type of a video about that particular eldritch being
WHAT. DUO FOLLOWED ME HERE? DUO, PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR SKIPPING YESTERDAY MY SINUSES WERE REALLY BAD DON'T HURT MY FAMILY
It’s simple: Spanish or vanish
I like how our best guess for loki’s root epithet is essentially “the one who makes things complicated”
You forgot to mention Skoll, Hati and Garm. The wolves who eat the Sun and Moon and kill Tyr respectively. They're all the children of Fenrir, effectively making them Loki's grandchildren.
Fun fact, in the Poetic Edda Fenrir is the one who eats the moon, and there's no mention of garm being related to Fenrir
@@niserresin2006 I’m more going off of the Pros Eda, but really that doesn’t mean anything when Skoll and Hati are ESTABLISHED characters-so it wouldn’t make sense for them to not play their intended roles. Because they are mentioned in nearly every version since, so clearly, they exist. Don’t go trying to um actually me, pal.
@@niserresin2006 Garm has got to be related because he’s a wolf giant just like Fenrir, and Garm’s parentage is unknown so a lot has to be inferred.
Norse mythology is all fuzzy. And contradict all over the place. So you saying that it’s definitive is wrong because that’s only in one source. Whereas my knowledge also comes from one source. So we could be equally wrong or right.
So don’t start with me
@@Kaijugan I didn't intend for my comment to be nearly as combative as you're interpreting it as. If anything you're the one starting with me.
@@niserresin2006 It seemed to be rather combative from the way it was written. Seems I misinterpreted.
The Aesir: throws one of Loki's kids a snake into the sea, and the other newborn goddess into the realm of the dead
Also The Aesir: keep a killer wolf around until he becomes the size of a mountain because aww puppy
Good doggo
good snek
"snek bad doggo good"
-The Æsir, probably.
Half dead girl. Creepy, really, really creepy.
But Puppy!!!
The idea of Loki being "protector of the home" would also fit with the fact that most of the myths regarding him involve him solving everyone's problems
And him, you know, literally being a mother, albeit to a horse
Provided he often had a hand in causing those problems to begin with...
Is he, by chance, an ISFJ?
@@emanuelly.santos ???
@@emanuelly.santos Nah... I'd say he's more ESFP or ESTP...
As a Norwegian, the reveal Askeladden (Ash Lad) might be an evolution of Loki absolutely launched my brain into outer space. It’s like hearing Mary poppins was actually derived from some eldritch god. It is of course known that Askeladden is old folklore, but it’s so alive in the current culture while the Norse gods in their original form aren’t, so it’s insanely cool.
Sidenote to this, I kinda wanna see what myths about Mary Poppins evolving out of an eldritch being would be like now…
Speaking of Loki’s name, I find it very likely that he was a domestic or at least common everyday god since many Danish and I presume other Nordic words and expressions still contain references to Loki. The word ‘lokke’ (to bait) I find interesting since it relates especially well to his Satan characterisation as well as his general knack for causing trouble but there are many expressions which paint him in a much more trickstery yet mundane light.
A few good ones are “Loki legemand” (Loki playman) or “Loki is drinking water” referring to the flickering and flowing light reflected off of a body of water, “Det skal Loke have at bøde sine bukser med” (This Loki shall be given to mend his pants) when yarn, clothing or the like becomes tangled, worn or otherwise damaged to the point of being unusable and “Loke driver i dag med sine geder” (Loki is herding his goats today), “Loke sår havre i dag” (Loki’s sewing oats today) or “Lokes havresæd” (Loki’s oat seeds) when the air flickers and seems wavy just above the ground on a hot day.
I find the last one particularly interesting when thinking about his possible connection to the home, particularly the fireplace and his supposed connection to fire because in an old Danish dictionary about dialects the air movement in question is described as “...like the hot steam seen moving as such above a kettle or an intense fire.”
So even though this is a dictionary from 1841, I still find it fascinating how Loki’s character keeps being connected to fire, even if it’s in very roundabout ways. But considering that Viking age houses were built around fire pits with that being their main feature and only source of heat, it’s likely Loki could have been a god of both.
Also another commentor mentioned how ‘logi’ specifically referred to wild fire possibly making Loki represent tamed fire justifying the different spelling since even tamed fire is still very much able to run wild. Also with him being the inventor of fishnets (I have to draw that XD) he’s again tied to the domestic.
So to sum up, he’s drenched in the domestic and mundane but always with an element of chaos which I personally find very fitting since the home is where you find the worst of tricksters: _children_. And just humans in general. So him being a domestic god is very fitting IMO.
I think his domains are:
Change, gender-fluidity, unexplainable things, and the human habit of meddling with everything.
@@CookieDragon-sr8yw That sounds very likely. It would also explain why he seems to be everywhere since he's, you know, pretty much relevant to everyone and everything. He may have had Approdite like status back in the day, as in he may have been very widely worshipped with other more specific deities being primarily worshipped by those they affected. Would also explain why he survived along with other very commonly relevant deities like Odin being head god and god of knowledge.
@@CookieDragon-sr8yw I don't think gender fluidity was a domain so much as a divine quality, in a lot of ancient societies and even in some modern ones being gender fluid was seen as an inherently divine quality, since you were able to cross between the areas of man and woman. This usually applied to anyone who'd be seen as trans today so Loki having this ability is more so an ability that cements him as being divine in the same way that Møjlnirs lighting abilities is kinda part of what makes Thor obviously a god. There would probably have been a connection between trans people and Loki in ancient Norse society but it's maybe not because Loki is their god but more so because they had things in common.
@@aromanticdisgr-ace4083 Thor is the god of agriculture and rain actually, he's not a god of strength at all he just happens to also be very strong.
@@hedgehog3180 Wait, did I write that? Damn, I must've been sleepy that day XD But thanks for correcting me :)
Loki’s whole convoluted history is what he would have wanted.
Me, shedding tears as the only consistent characterization of Loki I can scrape together is “probably villainized later”: it’s what they would have wanted. It’s what they would have wanted. It’s what-
You win my internet point of the day, congrats!
If I'm going to have a backstory, I want it to be multiple choice.
... Maybe.
Or would he?
Okay, that picture of him holding his children is legitimately adorable.
Timestamp?
@@christinagarrett7696 also this 7:35
@@zEr-ne5ri Thanks!
@@christinagarrett7696 you’re welcome
@@christinagarrett7696 26:42 Think I found it.
The story about Fenris Wolf being bound is very well written by Neil Gaiman in his book "Norse Mythology", and oddly enough is fairly emotional as well. It really showed how it wasn't just Tyr's hand that he lost, but also his friend.
Loki playing the "multiple choices backstory" card before it was cool.
The god of mischief's last act before being supplanted by Christianity was to make a living hell out of anyone trying to research him.
Sounds right
That is so him
It’s what he would have wanted.
Nice pfp
It would be cool if they do Pokémon mythology
"Loki's name could mean The Entangler"
"Loki is a mass of contradictions without a linear narrative"
Ah so he's done his job perfectly to this very day
Entangler is another term for rigger, so loki God of BDSM confirmed?
@@theknifezone given his shapeshifter abilities and the fact he never escaped those terrifying bindings in the cave....yes. I'd say he's masochistic as well.
Why is it that you have 666 likes? Must it be that you’ve been called here by humans? Those wished to pay you tribute?
@@diavoloalexander485 why does that number matter?
@giadragon
666 is a number that is/has been associated with “The Beast” or Satan for a while. I’m not entirely certain of how that came to be but I can tell you that that is the relation.
Fun Norse fact: the Norse used to try to “scare” away eclipses with battle cries. They thought that the sun was being eaten
I mean... if you can scare off a wolf bigger than a fucking star....
you're pretty badass
Tbh- a lot of acient cultures did think that
LOKI IS LITERALLY THE FIRE IN THE HEARTH. “Mischievous” is surprisingly accurate take on fire! Like if you don’t keep your eye on it, it’ll catch something on fire or go out!
Sorri: "Ok, so there's this god, Loki, who invented lies-"
Monks everywhere: "devil figure, got it
Sorri: "I actually made him a jesus figure, but you do you"
Like, the ones calling him a devil figure weren't monks.
@@i.cs.zamodits
Just add more irony onto the pile.
At this point I wouldmt be surprised if Loki's deific epithet was that of irony
If Loki had similarities to Prometheus to start with, Snorri might not have had to change THAT much.
@@luxinvictus9018 this what i find so ironic with Christianity wanting make him seem holyer then thou for all this....yet shun an berate anyone that doesn't fit their mold AKA doing exactly they hated people cor in bible for doing to [out-casting] Jesus.
**i say this as a Christian who just also questions everything an loves looking all views an learning about various religions and beliefs. This actually part reason like many I've left the church [👀 no realize how toxic an culty it all is till take step back..]**
@@luxinvictus9018 GOATMAN, IM DANCING ON YOUR BRIDGE
“Mischievous but benevolent protector of the home and family”, Loki is Norse Kevin McCalister
Edit: WOW I have NEVER had a comment blow up this much before
this is so perfect!
That makes too much sense...
I’m fucking rolling
It wasn't a mistletoe spear that killed Balder. Balder came over to visit Loki and Loki forgot to undo his security system. The death was so comical that the pantheon thought it wasn't fit for a God, so they made up the whole mistletoe story.
Kevin McCslister is an avatar of Loki
Fun but pointless fact:
In French, "Foyer" can mean 3 things;
1 home
2 household
3 chimney/heartfire
All things that Loki could be the god of according to Red
People have mentioned Loki as a God of the Hearth/Family/Children and Loki as a spider so; why not both?
Spiders are common in houses, I see a spider almost once a week. They have eight eyes and eight legs and like to tie up webs in high up places, almost "watching over" families. Furthermore, there's a lot of stories about spinners being spiderlike (Ariadne, though likely not relevant here, is a good example) and in a country that lives in Northern, cold places, the value of spinners and cloth-makers was probably very important-- it's likely that the women, caretakers of the family, were also in charge of textile production. This also ties into the fact that he keeps getting pregnant all the time, since he would be intrinsically tied to motherhood and weaving, along with his story about the fishing-net, in a similar way to how spiders catch their prey in webs.
Loki as a character would then be representative of the family in a spider-like way, always watching the family, good at hiding, and masterful at spinning both webs and nets.
This is actually a good theory. Spiders are the descendants of Arachne the weaver in Greek mythology, according to the Arachne myth. A little syncretism can really affect the characterization of creatures in mythology. We also don’t really know about the OG Arachne myth, so maybe it was from Scandinavia. Weavers provide cloth which gives warmth, tying into the hearth. Spiders also are tricksters considering they trick bugs into getting stuck in the webs, tying into the trickster idea. Children are tricksters, tying into the trickster idea. Then, the hearth creates families.
Red: So Loki is a Satan figure... and also a Jesus figure.
Audience: ... What!?
Loki: PARKOUR
I mean, one of his epithets is Skywalker.
I read that as Susan
@@Duiker36 WTF
It could be explained with loki´s role as a scapegoat, which as Red expained , involved two scapegoats one got sacrificed(Jesus) and one got banished (Satan) and noone could agree who to equate loki to making him both
Loki is just pure chaotic neutral
Like I can imagine him in this scenario genuinely thinking its funny
"I didn't do it"
"Then why are you laughing"
"Cause whoever did it is a fucking genius"
Thats the visiting Uthgard story in a nutshell.
Utgard-Loki: _Sike!_ You've been in an eating contest with a _wildfire_ this whole time!
Loki: >:O
Also Loki: Well played
@@ZpEB2741 Loki: "Outstanding move."
Being a pure chaotic neutral may actually define who he is, the god of chaos. Random things happen all the time and can be good or bad, so people may prey to Loki for the chaos to end up good. Chaos can completely mess up the best plans. He may define why an act of god may not make sense. ("Loki's playing his tricks on the gods again")
@@ZpEB2741 I'm really sure that he at least expected something fishy. I mean. The "prize" was to feast with the giants, and he asked for an eating contest.
You know this makes Hestia and Loki relationship in Danmachi much hilarious.
Oh my God, that's an excellent point.
@@Great_Olaf5 its rivalry between two matriarchs.
Loki might not have been a fire deity, per se (and there's of course the confusion with Logi), but it's completely fair to say he was associated with fire. One of the clearest indications is his parents: his mother's name, Laufey, means "leafy island," which was probably a kenning for tree. Farbauti is "cruel striker," which could very well be a kenning for lightning. And what often happens when lightning strikes a tree?
He was a frequent traveling companion to Thor. What also often accompanies storms (or, in some interpretations, what was one of the only ways in ancient cultures to extinguish fire)?
There's at least one piece of evidence linking him to the bellows of a forge. It's a depiction of the story where the dwarves sewed his lips shut, but it's curious that he'd be associated with the forge itself.
There's also Loki's nature itself, which is constantly changing, a force that both destroys and clears away the old to make room for the new. He's unpredictable, both helpful and dangerous, friend and antagonist.
Basically, we don't know if he was actually considered to be a fire god; if he had been, it's likely Snorri would have kept that in his retellings, given he had a serious hate boner for Loki and would have seized on any opportunity to link him to Christian ideas of hell and Satan. But it's entirely reasonable to associate him with fire as well.
I don't mean to poke fun, they're solid theories. But as soon as I read the bellows thing, I thought. "well yeah. He's blowing hot air".
@@justafallperson2108 Ba dum tish. (And I don't disagree. Dude most definitely loved the sound of his own voice.)
Yeah if there was a clear connection to fire, he would of made that clear for the Satan connection. And so far it seems more like very subtle references to fire in comparison. Which is kinda weird. Especially the connection between heat stuff and Loki himself.
Do like the reason why he always sticks around Thor. He's the lightning bolt and he's the disaster waiting to happen.
"Huh, this fish got bigger when I put it in a bigger pond."
"Weird. You gonna help me chuck Loki's serpent son into the ocean now?"
-- fateful last words.
Jormungander is female, afaik.
So Loki's backstory, character, powers and meaning in the mythology are a complete mystery. This is the most Loki thing Loki could have done.
Being a jesus figure just to mess things up even more is also a very Loki thing to do.
It hurts how much this makes sense
The Gosforth cross which was made in the 10th century and is in England. It’s not necessarily portraying Jesus... it may be another instance of Loki being compared to the Devil. Depicting the bound Lucifer or bound Anti-Christ...
I think he has many things in common with Prometheus: he opposes the Pantheon, he tricks them, and has an association with fire for the benefit of humanity
@@polarknight5376 "Your Savior is here!"
Loki feels like a conflation of like 6 goddess, 2 gods, a sprite, and a ghost.
I can see Loki being the fun uncle, but to his own kids.
Loki being the God of "What are you even God of?!"/"Confusing the hell out of everyone who talks about him" sounds like the most Loki thing possible
Yes 😌
Yes
Odin: Loki stop picking on the historians!
Loki: Can't stop me from playing the long game one-eye! Suck it!
@@jordanloux3883 Odin:... ah fine it's a good one anyways..... Hey wanna see me convince Gahndie to commit genocide?
So, basically Loki is the god of trolling.
I love how christianized Loki is weirdly simultaneously a satan figure and a jesus figure
Yeah, its interesting
Inside of Loki, there are two wolves. One is named Toby. The other is named Toby.
...both are named Toby...
@@th3rasave we like Toby
get you a god that can do both
I'd like to offer a new hypothesis if I may.
Loki isn't a Jesus figure. I believe that what Loki may actually be a devil figure, but not as being antithetical to the Aesir, rather he's represents "a deal with the devil" so to speak.
Loki seems to have a constant prevalent influence amongst the Aesir and other figures. In many of their situations Loki is a source of blame but he's also a constant source of fault.
The Giant building the new wall for the Aesir? It was Loki who suggested the Aesir allow him the assistance of his horse Svadilfari. Loki is a shapeshifter which is commonly associated with the Devil amongst some of Loki's other characteristics. Loki's children were a Wolf which has a christian association with danger and a Serpent which is frequently associated with the Devil, children he bore with an ogress who's name translates to one who brings harm.
And the Lokasenna? The thing is, Loki makes tons of accusations with no canonical basis at all from cuckholding Tyr and Thor as a way of inflaming tempers, he creates deception and anger. He also murdered Aegir's servant in cold blood and he did this after being invited into Aegir's hall by extension of his oath with Odin.
And he admits to guiding the dart that killed Balder much like how Longinus pierced the side of Christ with a lance. Longinus, much like Balder's brother Hod, was described as blind in medieval sources and much like how Hod was executed and reborn after Ragnarok the character of Longinus was punished with death and reborn (with many parallels to Prometheus). Longinus is also mentioned as being blind by sources from the 12th century much like Hod, particularly Petrus Comestor, a French theological writer who died the year before Snorri's birth. (Also didn't the devil guide Longinus's hand? I'm not sure so I'm not including that)
Now let's return to the binding of Fenrir. Fenrir was going to devour everything and kill Odin, and he was growing so large that once he grew hungry he would devour everything. So why did the gods not just kill him outright rather than bind him? Fenrir was massive but Thor had slayed plenty of giants of great size. Well it may have had to do with Odin and Loki being sworn brothers, so Odin couldn't kill Loki's kin under law (The Norse took their laws very seriously). According to High "so greatly did the gods respect their holy places and places of sanctuary that they did not want to defile them with the wolf's blood even though the prophecies say that he will be the death of Odin.". And Tyr lost his right hand as a result, which in the bible it is mentioned that the right hand should be cut off and cast aside should it cause sin.
The Gods stuck to their old ways (their Pagan practices) and in the end it caused them suffering.
Another question. The gods died in battle. Why were they not sent to the afterlife like Balder and Hod? Perhaps because as pagans they were denied heaven.
And all this happened because Odin made that blood oath with Loki. Loki is a constant presence who bares varying degrees of fault and blame to the misfortune that befalls the Aesir while simultaneously bringing them gifts and yet they continue to keep him around even as he becomes growingly malevolent until eventually it culminates in their suffering and death.
Now how did I come to this? Red brought up the binding of Loki as being parallel to Jesus on the cross. Here is the thing with that... it's not exclusive to Jesus... it's also associated with the Devil and Devil like figures, Lucifer who's mentioned as being bound in the Bible and in Dante Alighieri's "The Inferno", Typhon who is imprisoned under Mt. Etna, and Cronus who is imprisoned in Tartarus.
Even the exact example Red used, the 10th century Gosforth cross, is believed to draw these parallels between the death of Balder and Ragnarok to the Crucifixion of Christ. Loki is depicted that way because he's supposed to be in the image of a bound devil.
And another reason for this conclusion I also have Red to thank for. In her video on the history of the Wild Hunt she mentions its evolution from traditional pagan practices as a way to make the old gods less familiar. For many Norse they may have been christian in name but this was less than 2 centuries after the supposed end of the Viking age and many were very likely still deeply connected to their pagan roots. The old gods were still very familiar to many of them. Snorri may have written this to portray the gods as a cautionary tale of adherence to old pagan practices.
Just saying, I'd be very curious to see a "Mother of Monsters" video specifically talking about that motif. It's probably not common enough to be considered a Trope, but from the short list you gave it could probably be a Miscellaneous Myth of its own (maybe even a Halloween Special if you don't have anything else planned, although for all of the "this is the source of all the troubles in the world" I'm not sure it's necessarily all that _scary_).
The heart that Loki ate was probably the heart of Gullveig, a sorceress that was burned three times either during or directly before the Aesir-Vanir war.
Red: Loki doesn't seem to have any connections to spiders.
Loki: *has a child with a horse that literally is born with eight legs*
You are onto something.
@@aroncondorchoa989 I actually have my own hypothesis with regards to that.
Sleipnir was actually an important figure in Shamanist practices and in myths Sleipnir is frequently used to carry the gods to Helheim to speak with Hel, both by Odin and Hermod. He may represent travel between the realms of the living and the dead.
So that's why he has 2 sets of hooves, to gallop between the 2 different planes of existence. 1 set of hooves for traveling amongst the living and another set for traveling amongst the dead.
OH GOD
YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND
@@CollinMcLean That's an interesting theory. It seems pretty plausible.
Peter Parker: Am I joke to you?
If Loki created the fishing net, the Norwegians would have seen him as the greatest god to ever exist.
I'm also noticing a connection to Hestia. Both have roles as "the one you pray to over a hearth" and may have been seen as "this god is so important to our religion that everyone prays to them, why would we need to write them down?
Damn, some really good points guys
Fishing nets AND the Swedish folklore term for the star Sirius (you know, major guiding star, especially for seafaring) is called Lokabrenna aka ‘Loki’s Torch’. Yeah.
@@DizzyRobin Sirius, the dog, like Loki's son? /j
The stuff i grew up with, mostly had thor thor thor, and supporting characters. Loki, and Odin being the most prominent, with freya being the go-to for plot devices.
"Or the guy who rides his nephew into battle"
Congratulations, you just made my dad genuinely laugh, and very few people can do dat
I find it funny that Red confidently states him as a fire god, then learns she is wrong and recants that, then digs deeper and finds he’s related to the “Ashlad”, and since ash has an inherent relation to fire, she was kind of accidentally right in the first place.
I agree with Red having been right about Loki being a fire god all along. Thing is, when most people think of a "fire god" nowadays, they think of wildfire - but that's already covered in Norse mythology by the god Logi, so people get confused and think that there can only be one fire god. However, there is a category of fire that we don't think of nowadays thanks to Christianity, but was definitely in the minds of the olde-timey Norsemen, and that category is sacred fire. If Loki was like the Hindu god Agni and was the catalyst for the offerings to reach the gods via the medium of fire, it would fit, and it would also be a handy way to explain why they weren't mentioned - after all, if Loki was part of every single religious ceremony, why would their presence need to be pointed out? That's my theory / headcanon, anyway.
@@gracecarpinter8623 personally i would argue that the concept of sacred fire dying out in public conscious is not necessarily due to Christianity but actually due to industrialisation and electricity. as someone who was raised catholic (but doesn't actually practice it nowadays) "holy" fire is actually a fairly common theme in both bible and active religion today. many stories in the bible represent god or acts/gifts from god in the form of fire. for example Moses and the burning bush or when the holy spirit came down to bless the disciples it came in the form of flames. when I was a kid going through the sacrament of conformation I had to do these classes and when they talked about the holy spirit they equiviated it to flames among other things. additionally there's the practice of lighting candles to pray for someone, to protect them. that kind of protective positive fire that was associated with the hearth in mythos is still a theme in modern Christianity. but people arent really using fire now in the way we used to before electricity and so most of the time when we think or hear about it, its in the context of houses burning down or bushfires and so the sacred fire concept has fell out of public consciousness. thats at least my perspective and I'm sure some sects of Christianity probably don't put as much emphasis on the theme of fire but catholicism def does to some extent from my experience
Schoolers: Furiously research and debate
Loki: rolling on back laughing, "I can't believe they took the bait"
That sounds like him
um... *scholars
Was that pun intended?
Let be honest.... Loki owns reddit
@@craytherlaygaming2852 this this doesn’t need to be explained
Loki being a mischievous household deity makes even more sense once you consider that households usually have kids.
And kids play pranks.
It also makes more sense when you think about how most cultures have house spirits of some kind that are often times blamed for minor “tricks” like hiding things, spooking animals, or causing food to go bad.
@@BeautifulObscuritySo that's taking the cookies, not getting how to approach new animal friends, not putting the lid back on the snack container.
My little brother = Loki/Brownie/demi-fey/whatever
@@BeautifulObscurity So Loki’s the one who’s making my socks disappear in the laundry
@@doubleoof7907 yes
@@BeautifulObscurity we have these things in the winter here in Norway called "loftnisser"
Basicly around christmas time they are blamed for those small acts of misschief around the house, and if you wanna be kind to them, give em some porridge with a large wooden spoon
And they love themselves some porridge alright, we even have christmas songs about them
Fun for the kids!
Minor correction: Loki IS one of the big players with a day of the week named after him. Saturday used to be called "Logsday" after Loki, which is also where the Logsday mandela effect comes from.
On rewatch, something clicked in my head.
Loki calling out the Aesir in the Lokasenna is mildly reminiscent of Jesus saying "Let he who is free of sin cast the first stone."
Loki does it more in self-defense, but the sentiment of "We're all flawed, get off my back about it." is strikingly similar.
Don't know what (if anything) this means and if it's even on purpose, but I thought I'd share.
Also did you know that scholars are, like, 90% sure that bit is a later addition?
"Which is more irresponsible: the guy who gives birth to a horse, or the one who rides his nephew into battle"
This is one of the best written criticisms and jokes at the same time. I love this.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth?
@@Klaaism I think it's "Would you help your uncle Jack, off a horse?"
This is somewhat off topic but do y'all know which video there's a little scene where Loki covers up the image of the marvel actor?
@@darkryder4698 I think it's the poetic edda video
What about the guys who show up to your city in a giant wooden horse?
How do you learn a new language?
Normal people: With time and practice, everyone goes at their own pa-
Odin: *IMPALING MYSELF ON A BIG TREE UNTIL I HALLUCINATE A LANGUAGE INTO EXISTENCE*
Lol, mood
Isn't that learning to write a language you already know?
I mean given a lot of language is learned by writing that's basically what we do with children. Only we do it with a lot of very small sticks instead of one big one.
Look, conlanging is hard, okay.
@@Duiker36 What, you don't sacrifice your body to Odin and then spend every Wednesday for the next year feverishly writing down all your conlang/worldbuilding details?
unrelated but I like how in Gow Ragnarok they incorporated the "Odin is responsible for Ragnarok" very well. Heck, I think the games interpretation of the All-father is the closest to his mythological counterpart now that i think about it
He is literally just a sociopathic mob boss and I love it.
They told a story about Freyr won the giantess over wich was completely different from the real story. Odin isn't really tyrannical odin is just a wise snappy old man who lives life as a bookish nerd and stumbles a profacy and rightfully so freaks out and makes mistakes as a result. Gow wasn't that accurate with odin as he was never a tyrant and he definitely wasn't emotionally abusive to thor
The finale of Loki brought me back here.
Odin: “What are you the god of, again?”
Loki: “Hell if I know!”
Karmic justice.
Literally my favourite comment
Hel: "Yes Dad?"
Hel: pa? what you want?
Loki: sorry my adorable little daughter
Hel: *gets thrown into hel*
World serpent: *gets thrown into the sea*
Fenrir: *gets bound to an island*
Loki: *bound by his son's intestines with acid dripped in his eyes for all eternity*
Oden: I don't get it why do they hate me
Modern parenting in a nutshell
That intestines were made because
Odin had Loki's one son turned into another wolf and attack his twin brother
Bright side is his wife was the only one to stay by his side
Catching the acid in a basin(this is a woman who gave birth to the twins
Loki: betrays the gods
Odin: surprised pikachu
@@roseforest8950 of course I'm going to betray you after all this shit
Saddest thing is that Odin and Loki were once something like best friends
Holy shit, okay, so, while watching this, it hit me like a ton of bricks - the reason Loki dragged and teased the other Gods at that infamous party could absolutely be because he was playing the role of the *yule goat* - it's an old, nordic tradition akin to Mari Lwyd where someone, often a servant, will dress up in a sheet and a goat's skull to point out the flaws and sins of the partygoers for a laugh and to take those sins with him by the end of the party. He was, once again, simply playing the role he was given, and it also further strengthens his association with the scapegoat!
Now excuse me as I untangle myself from all this red string.
Honestly, I think a plausible explanation comes from, of all things, Ssethzneech's overview of the Osiris Myth in his Pharoh 3 vid.
In short-he basically says, "We only have one, very biased, written source about the myth, and had to piece it together ourselves as the Egyptians believed that anything put into writing, including negative events, could potentially become reality."
In all honesty, it might be a "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" situation but extended to *all* of them.
"he and snakes don't really get along" so we know who the least favorite child was
No. Jormungandr was the exception.
@@doddthedodo7435 I'm not snakist! I have a son that is a snake!
It's the only one without a name, jormungandr is a title "big monster"
@@hamsterratje well that paints Thor Ragnarok in a WHOLE new light :3
Jormungandr deserves better than this
"Thor wasn't the god of getting drunk and hitting stuff"
And Zues wasn't the god of one night stands
This comment killed me 🤣
yeah, but like what to they get remembered for huh?
Zeus
Ah, yes *ZUES*
Sí, Zues, el dios del trueno y el cielo.
Send him to rehab for cheating or just throw him into Tarterous
8:00 well now I need a story of Tyr continuing to bond with the bound fenrir with neither holding a grudge for the other only feeling melancholic for knowing that one day both fight on opposite sides of the final war
I just have to say, I love the drawing Red did of Fenrir and Tyr after the Aesir put Fenrir in Gleipnir. It looks so simple (not saying anything about it was simple, for the record) but they both just look so sad.
Also, I noticed on that wikipedia page it described Loki's gender-fluidity as an inclusion in modern stories (while still adressing Loki's tendency to magically change gender,) and I do wanna point out that it's not as modern as wikipedia implies. In the story where Thor's hammer is stolen and Thor is disguised as Freyja and Loki is his handmaid; Thor continues to be referred to in masculine terms (husband of Sif, son of Odin, etc), while the story switches to using feminine terms when describing Loki (the handmaid.) So, even in that story, it's clear that Thor being dressed as a woman is just a disguise; but Loki's only disguise is who they're pretending to be, not what gender they are.
Red: "Loki's name could me the entangler"
Also Red: makes entire web flow chart full of Loki conspiracies trying to figure out his nature
Exactly
You've done it. You've solved it.
RED IS LOKI
@@ivy-ql7uz (Weren't thy Sun WuKong?)
@@fantasyshadows3207 They can be both
I think Red likes talking about Loki so much because she relates to his chaotic nature so much.
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
She is a Loki, remember
That’s makes Sense
Chaos superiority.
I read that as catholic and was rather confused. 😂 😂 😂
Its so very Loki to have an inconsistent, unpinable, origin and spinning legends out of legends without a singular thread to follow and I completely love it even though it is kind of sad to not have a specific story to follow. Just kind of makes him all the more interesting
I always thought Loki had a lot of parallels to Prometheus, and Snorri would definitely have been familiar with that story. Trickster, sometimes associated with fire, betrays the corrupt gods for the benefit of humans and gets eternally punished by an animal.
"Anyone who says they know what Loki's deal is is trying to sell you something."
*Immediately tries to sell me stickers and pins about Loki's whole deal.*
How very Loki of you. I will be buying those thanks.
I will now add how very loki of you in my personal lexicon. Thank you good sir.
I mean she did admit to it in the apology video
@@catfoy8888 wait apology for what?
@@nadineehab8834 it's an april fools video
can't believe Loki is Hestia, all the way down to "we have no histories about them because they remained on their own corner of housekeeping"
The most unexpected takeway of this video tbh.
would be even more funny if Rick Riordan made that cannon in his world. i mean we already have bleed through for thos who worship the gods. i could just see the greeks meeting with hestia and a couple einherjar walk up and boom loki.
Clearly there both patreon gods of gamers
@@alexandersen1372 That would be epic no lie
*brain explodes*
Loki is the real world embodiment of “If I’m going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice.”
Does anyone else feel bad for Fenrir in this story? Child of Loki who grew up with everyone fearing him, and only received the friendship of one god until he grew so big that the other wanted to tie him down. Ultimately that sane God he had a friendship with sacrificed himself because he knew what it was and he was sorry his good boy ended up like this because of some arbitrary fear of a prophecy
Edit: I forgot to mention that Red really draws Fenrir as a cute pupper here. He's just so fluffy, he gives me the same vibes as Cerberus from Hades who are also good boys, all 3 heads.
Too be fair a wolf is a wild animal one day fenrir was going to go wild it was just a matter of time that's like having a nuke right outside your lawn
@@madslayer4197 I'd like to think in this case given the tamer is a god, the God of War in fact, that Fenrir was tame. His big size might wreck Asgard's backyard but he isn't being intentionally destructive, the reason he has a grudge against Odin is because he was wrongly chained down and kept there forever. He had to literally be tricked into being tied down, he was a good boy.
@yourpalbryan1442 see you have to work with you imagination to come to the conclusion. There was no proof that tyr tamed fenrir hell tyr was the only one who fenrir wouldn't have attacked and who knows how long that would have lasted. To say he would've been a"good boy" as long as he was left alone is just reckless. Odin couldn't not take action
@@madslayer4197 I contend this because the nature of Ragnarok is self fulfilling. The reason Hel becomes Helheim's ruler is because Odin put her there, Jormungandr becomes big because Odin cast him to the ocean, Fenrir can only rip the foundations of the world in his rage because he was so pissed at the Aesir. Therefore I think because the nature of Ragnarok was self fulfilling, Odin's steps to avoid it with regards to Loki's children only made it true
@yourpalbryan1442 ragnarok was proficied to happen no matter what. It was hardly like jormungander was provoked. He was in the ocean chilling. And again with fenrir what was odin supposed to do? Fenrir was going to cause serious xamage with just the sherr size alone
Suddenly the line "Your savior is here!" becomes even funnier.
All hail our Lord and Savior, Spider-Jesus!
Spider-Jesus! My old man would be pissed, if I shared this with him, which makes it 10x more funny!!
“Whatcha got there?”
“A smoothie."
Welp, that’s adorable
Loki: Kids, I'm going to Greece. Stay off of the Internet.
I think that’s an iCarly reference to when Spencer comes into the apartment with an Ostrich. And a smoothie.
(time stamp) 7:35
Plot twist: The smoothie _was_ his kid!
@@AnimeWolf5193 (checks my charts)
Yep. That is a possibility
The Loki At The Party Story in the Poetic Edda is SO FUNNY. I can't believe how much of it reads funny to a modern audience.
"You can't go in!" "Then I'll stay out here all night with you." "You can go in."
"You can't insult me. I'm the god in charge of keeping peace on Earth!" "And you're doing SUCH a good job."
"Leave me out of this, Loki. I'm a virtuous woman!" "I would if you were, Sif, but I know I'VE slept with you. ...Thor is standing right behind me, isn't he?"
Absolutely my favorite from the Poetic Edda.
Don't forget how he callously moved tyrs handicap or laughed about how he was responsible for the death of boulder. Yeah...hilarious
Loki as hearthgod makes such perfect sense as I can see. Also, rather than entangler, perhaps it is of the web, in context of a hearthgod referring to the web of people that gather around the hearth. Thus moving Loki into the position of being the god of community and collaboration. This would recontextualize the deciets, hijinks, and schemes as the spontaneous creativity that can exist in a healthy community. The other gods are pretty explicitly confrontational and arrogant, so it would be bold, impressive, and understandable to attempt to deceive them to protect the community. It also contextualizes the shapeshifting, as a community is diverse, and includes all the species that make it up from the fruit tree to the mother, and so it would make sense for a god of community to have access to the breadth of forms that make up a community. So you have chaos, capriciousness, compassion, diversity, creativity, and the fostering of new life.