Will Rock Music Ever Come Back?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 19. 02. 2022
- In today's episode I discuss we explore the state of Rock Music and wether it will make a comeback or not.
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I believe when music education was cut from public schools as a required class, that that was the beginning of the end. Learning to play an instrument was commonplace back then and it gave us a leg up in becoming musician.
ETA: Dave Grohl talks often about how vocal contest shows like American Idol and The Voice have destroyed garage bands and rock in general. Would Bob Dylan have made it on The Voice?
they only taught music to be used as an adjunct to the stupid football games. "sometimes i feel like i'm just being used." comes to mind. march around and blow a horn.
They can do it on a computer now
I disagree, I don't think you can force someone to be passionate about music by teaching it to them before they're old enough to enjoy music on their own.
I agree. Teaching (not forcing like Turkeys wrote in their comments) is where it is at. Kids donât have to become musicians from early music classes but it sure does help their brains overall. Music appreciation and listening classes, rather than learning an instrument, could also help. By Turkeys thoughts, we are also forcing kids to learn the English language, Maths, etc. If it helps develop a better human being, it has a place in education. (No offence, Turkey, you have a point and many kids felt the way you describe which is a result more of poor teaching than the subject being taught.) I believe that humans need good music like we need water and food and oxygen. Could the lack of great music, lifting our spirits daily on the radio, be part of the reason so many are unhappy these days? Depression seems at an all time high. We need a renaissance.
Agreed! đŻđŻ
This latest generation is exploring a lot in the music of the 80s, getting closer and closer to the sounds of its endings. I am sure that rock will be reborn as it happened in 1991. We are very close.
A lot from your neck of the woods, too
(As per ur YT-handle)
It just depends on when people are ready for it.
You're still waiting?
the fact that you have almost 4 million subs... is a testimony that the rock music still is present... your vibe and the background is all rock...so...keep up the good work!
Plenty of great rock acts today. They just are not mainstream, but because of that I think it allows them to experiment without a much backlash
Obviously there will always be rock. The question is will good rock ever be mainstream again
@@DynamiteProddoes it really matter? If the music is good then who really cares whether millions of people are listening to it or not
Unfortunately, none of them sound like anything that couldnât have existed 30 years ago. The problem with rock is that it lives in the past. As long as rock lives in the past, it will remain culturally irrelevant.
There are acts that exist today that I don't think sound like things from the past 30 years. All genres and acts have innovated on the past nothing is ever truly new or original. There are only so many chords and only so many pitches the human ear can hear. Its how you twist things and what combo of instrumentation you use. I definitely heard some interesting things that are current that have put new spin on things
That's not the point. The point is, we don't all know any of these rock bands like everyone knew led zeppelin, the Beatles, etc.
I've always been a believer that Rock and roll will never die, as much as I hate to say it I think rock is going the way of jazz . Jazz was real popular until around the 50's then rock took over . Jazz never really died but it probably will never be as popular as it was before the 50"s. Same thing is happening with rock and pretty soon will happen to rap until something else takes raps place.
Exactly itâs still around itâs just an underground genre now and honestly thatâs where it belongs lol đ
Well, think about what happened with jazz since the 60s. Jazz fusion become really popular in the 80s with acts like Kenny G. Boom bap and a lot of old school Hip Hop in the 90s heavily sampled and was influenced by the swing of jazz. Maybe the 2020s will feature rock sensibilities more prominently with rock and punk influenced pop artists having more rock-driven songs making it to the charts (Olivia Rodrigo, WILLOW, *maybe* Billie Eilish, etc.).
@@_PuppetMaster86 Gen Z musicians are kind of fusing elements of rock, hip hop, and electronic music. We are also in a golden age of gear too a revolution is on its way again
When I was a teen in the 70's,there was a lot of Blues based bands and solos.Everything from Ten Years After,to the Butterfield Blues Band,to Canned Heat to Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac,etc.But now,looking back,although they did influence others,it seems like such a fad.And it went where where other fads and cultural phenomena go to die.
I'm interested to see how Puth and Lamar might have some longer term effect on pop actually sounding more like jazz. Couple that with the growing appreciation of VGM, much of which is steeped in jazz, and I think the kids these days will return to jazz. Check out The Consouls, J-Music Ensemble, 8-Bit Big Band etc who all do jazz covers of VGM - kids are really into the jazz with VGM as the 'standards'.
Rock music will never go away as long as human beings are being born! Iâm 62, and Iâm forever coming across youngsters who hate the music theyâre hearing on mainstream media, and are getting into the kind of music that grabbed me as a kid! Thereâs young guys in my street who are learning guitar and starting bands, and theyâre loving The Stooges, The Ramones and 6oâs garage rock, because theyâre easy to play and are great songs!
I agree with you...there's always a return to earlier rock & blues...disco was popular & people quickly got tired of it, there was the whole new wave movement, then return to rock, & it will continue to go back and forth. My friends & I grew up with rock, soul & R&B, punk, new wave, grunge & industrial rock, rap & hip hop, yet, we were nerdy enough to like blues, jazz, bluegrass & old timey country from 20s & 30s thru 70s/80s/90s up to present (still love Jones, Cash, Waylon & Willie, Haggard, all 3 Hank Williams & Kriss Kriss), swing & big band, the crooners (like Sinatra & Bing), Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Etta James, Aretha Franklin, we liked old musical soundtracks, Fleetwood Mac, James Taylor, Simon & Garfunkel, Carole King, & I personally, listen to all musical genres & musical eras from Medieval/Renaissance/Celtic/Old English Folk thru classical & opera to the country & pop music of today. My children grew up with a wide range of music, as well as films (art house, foreign, Shakespeare brought to the screen included) & play instruments, therefore, they too have a broad musical range of interest & preferences which exposes their children (who are now playing musical instruments & in choir) to a broader & more colorful spectrum of older musical references to use for their music writing & performance.
I hope youâre right.
My Grandchildren and my great grandchildren are more likely to listen to 50 year old music than any other, if asked about any music from the 80's and 90's even they will be able to tell you plenty of the songs they listen to from then. Ask them what is number 1 in the charts they look at you and say "no clue".
All 3 of my children (12, 17, 19)have migrated into the love of music from the 30's 40's to my utter shock.
Maybe one but all three?
It's like there is a loss of identity and they are trying to find their roots.
In regards to education I think it is paramount to reinforce what real music sounds like aka, the human factor, bad days vs good days.
Most talented kids today are inteoverted because they cannot meet the standards of perfection that they hear everyday.
Who are their favorite artists?
A year later after this video was posted. We are seeing rock/alternative/grunge - guitar based music in general - start to spike more than it has in a long time.
Rock will return.
I'm interested can you give an example? Like new bands?
where does it spike? without the old radio/dj system or even MTV we won't have and feel the same impact from Rock bands as we have known. Good rock bands have always been around, by the way.
Also, it seems college radio is kinda dead which is where I first heard so many bands in mid and late 80s from Nirvanas Bleach to the Pixies.
@@coolhandlucas4148 last year MĂ„neskin won the Eurovision Songfestival with a nice hard-rock song. The last twenty years or so usually only ballads and cheesy music win, but this time rock won again!
IT WILL LIVE ONNNNN
I feel so blessed to have grown up in the 60s and 70s every week there were two classic albums coming out what a wonderful time for music itâll never be like that again
To play devils advocate, Iâd say I feel better to have grown in the 90s and early 2000s because I had a bigger selection of music to choose from. Those same albums you like were classics to me as well. Also, apart from a few bands, it is like Rick said that these bands never stop touring so I could see them live as well as the concerts of my generation. I think everyone gets nostalgic for their own time and thinks the best music was during their own time. The advancement of technology has allowed a lot more people and groups to bring their music to an audience and I think we are all better for it. Sometimes itâs difficult to sort out the gems from the crap but it makes it that much sweeter when you find that new song or band that you like.
Well I am pretty lucky as well being in the 2010s I cab search up entire albums on youtube from the past, even if the music at present is not good
@@johnxina5126 there is a ton of good music now. You just have to take the time to find it
@@ldreamxtheaterl5587 both, i had much fun in the 70ÂŽs as i did in the 90ÂŽs both two decades that i would like to have memoryÂŽs but they ended very rapidly,mainly the drugs were the same and the music scene was turned into classic, punk and progressive rock, from RAM JAM to KYUSS that band that had an lp that was king of the road ,and the mainstream not from women but from the topeless case of a kid denial ,party hard and punk rock song or united states of whatever ,all rocked ,endless days one could went for a beer after work monday afternoon and then one would think itÂŽs 7 oÂŽclock and tomorrow itÂŽs saturday? ,but how can this be ,thatÂŽs why it ended faster than other decades and LSD helped
Music as a whole needs to be like that again classics being dropped occasionally well mainstream music should be like that
Check out King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. They are EVERYTHING! From Garage rock to thrash to heavy to prog to psychedelic to pop rock to jazz fusion.
People still love good music, especially rock & roll. The issue is that there are so many distractions in today's world (internet, social media, gaming, Netflix, etc.), that it's hard to get the attention of people, like we did before 2000. I do believe that rock will continue into the future and may have a comeback, especially if modern music keeps getting worse.
Young people today listen to loads of music all the time, everyday. There definitely is an appetite for rock music, it's just about getting notoriety out to people. And with that being said, I think rock media hasn't been very good at showcasing what young rock listeners want.
Yeah, rock is not that good for background music.
I agree there are more distractions but young people from many different demographics are engaged in Rap, Hip-Hop and modern Pop moreso than Rock music. There has to be a reason for this trend.
@@BryanFink1 You are so right! I touched on that a bit, regarding what you said, in the thing I wrote here. But I warn you it's long and it's too hard here on YT to edit things properly at all, as I would like to do. So don't read it if you are averse to that length of thing. Stupid me, I'm tired. I'm sorry it's so long.
I know it nearly always seems like nobody is writing good new Rock songs, nevermind albums. But if you go to any big folk festival you can hear it in at least some of the songs there. It's just not labelled as Rock anymore, and it doesn't usually doesn't fill any artist's entire set (or their catalogue.) You will hear some rockin' songs though. And everyone responds to them! You can see the whole audience's attention is sparked by those songs! People who were stuck in their phones lift their heads together. They start dancing in their seats, and then in the aisles. Then the applause is much stronger than for other songs, with more whistles, yells, and woo hoos!
The age level at folk festivals has really fallen, but not the attendance. The boomers aren't showing up as much, although some still go, but the young adults and smaller children are still there in droves. I hope they're buying CDs or getting the music into their homes online, to the same extent that CDs or albums can, because it looks like most people just don't listen to music as much any more, and it's SO important! So good for the soul!
Radio is played so much less, because all the music radio is crap. Most music is listened to on head or ear phones, and all alone. It's never a group thing anymore, and it never fills a house. That might interfere with people who are trying their best to block everyone else out on their various computers. Combine that with the drastic decline in quality of music overall, and you might have one of the big answers to why society is the way it is today.
Of course I don't expect a lot of teens to be at folk festivals, for several reasons, although I'm glad about the ones who do go, and if young adults keep bringing their younger kids to folk festivals, at least they'll keep getting exposure there to a wide variety of influences at an important age. I've always just loved folk fests for a ton of reasons, including that. It's not enough though.
I'm not familiar with the American folk festivals, but WOMAD (started by Peter Gabriel) does fantastic World Music festivals world wide. There are TONS of folk festivals in Canada, big and small, and all of them are wonderful! Because of my limitted experience with the smaller ones, I can't say if you will hear any or much Rock influenced music at those ones, but I expect so because at the festivals in the bigger cities you most certainly do.
There is nothing that brings the crowd alive like a good Rock inflenced song, whatever it's called! People leave the food lines and beer tent to go back to the stage area. The organizers know that, and wanting to always end it on a high note, they schedule those artists to be the last performer of the day or the festival, or very close to it. Invariably the most rocking ones are near the end, if not last.
So the effect on the ears and the psyche is still there, but if the same artists perform at a concert called a Rockfest, the attendance is much less. Young people are generally embarrassed to be seen there. And that's not surprising, considerring that there are SO MANY more assholes around now than there were when Rock was big, or ever before in history. Even though a lot of what came before our time was crap, we didn't call it that, and we didn't insult the people who liked it. We just didn't listen to it.
The rise of the right wing has effected everything. I don't know what their problem is. Anger for sure. Lots of it. Misdirected anger. Their propensity to ridicule everything in every part of life includes music that doesn't conform to their narrowminded tastes. They only like things like rap, and anthem type stuff, like "We will, we will rock you, we will, we will rock you... ...We are the champions, we are the champions of the world ! ! ! ! !" How creative! Ugh!
The Africanized beats that so many people use because they're SO creative and varied is a really big component of a LOT of rock, and it can also be heard at folk fests in so many different genres, because folk musicians are not at all shy to mix genres. Many bands have mixed influences from all over the world, and created the most interesting music ever! Many of the best Rock artists have gone nearly completely over to "World Music", most notably Peter Gabriel, who got his start and spent many years as well known Rock artist. His World Music and his World influenced stuff is so top notch! I could listen to him all day every day! And to the people he's chosen to work with or to mentor through his company WOMAD, meaning World Of Music And Dance.
Rock music is heavily influenced by African drumming and guitar, which is where the blues came from. People always point to the American roots, but that stuff came directly from Africa, and if you listen to African music you just can't avoid hearing it. It so complex and so wonderful!
The fact that Folk and World Music of all kinds now blend all the influences is exactly what I loved so much about Rock, especially Progressive Rock. So as long as Folk Festivals are still popular, which can only happen if people are still writing great Folk songs, I will still have hope. Maybe the name that's used will be different, but I badly need a steady influx of new and interesting Rock, so even though I'm not religious, I'll make an exception, and I'll keep praying for a really big resurgence of it!
Sorry to be so lengthy.
â@@RoboStukBackground music is what caught my attention. Rick has been talking a lot about how music fans would focus on the music and how times have changed.
Interestingly, my taste in music will also depend on what is suitable for the background. As a musician, I analyze music to death and I have difficulty enjoying it unless I'm performing. So background music is what I prefer.
Rock actually never left, it just doesn't go mainstream anymore. There are still dozens of good bands out there to listen to as long as you have enough will to excavate good music
yeah, but it's a question of philosophy/ethics/morality. I am alluding to a classic question in ethics. If a tree falls in the middle of a forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound? Rock is still "making a sound" as you suggest, like there are still great people rocking out...but, they are "trees" making sounds/music in a forest that no one can hear. They're not mainstream...therefore rock is dead. ..? That is the question.
â@@jettrink5810well if people went to go looking for the falling tree then the sound happens if you're worried that rock is dead... then revive it.
@@jettrink5810you have no idea what ethics mean
WHO!?! I canât find a single rock band worth a damn that started their band in the last 5 years. Greta Van Fleet is okay but itâs a lame Led Zeppelin rip off
Well you can say waltzes never left by that logic. Rock is gone. Face up to it.
I donât define quality rock by how many other people like it. Who cares? Itâs about the emotion, the motivation, the creativity, and the talent of the artists and the passion their art instills in themselves and in their fans. The Villarreal sisters of The Warning have renewed my faith in rock! Iâll see them here in Vegas next week with Dirty Honey & Mammoth WVH, and then on their tour dates in San Diego & Phoenix. If your viewers havenât seen them, and donât know their story they should check them out.
You value how a song affects you emotionally. That's fair. But, if emotionally evocative songs did anything other than titillate us, the world would be in love. You like rocknroll. I do too.
But Dan, you changed the whole narrative of his point. The point IS that not enough people like it and therefore it will never have the chart topping overall acceptance that it once had from young people. You can name all of the obscure bands that you want, but that doesn't change his point or the facts. There are no rock stars. None. I'm glad you're finding things to like but there was a day that I'm sure you remember that we didn't have to look under rocks to find quality rock music.
Dan, I do think there are some young, creative rock groups starting to generate interest: Warning, Liliac, Greta Van Fleet. But individual stars are needed. I would propose 17 year old Courtney Hadwin who has a gritty powerhouse of a voice unlike any and an album about to drop for her fans who have viewed her social media videos over 2 billion times. Courtney was on the bill for Woodstock50 until it crashed financially. The pandemic has badly affected the development and exposure of these young stars, but that is hopefully easing. I think the coming future of music will be for lanes and blends of different styles without a hugely dominant one.
I started playing guitar about a year back.
Till then I mostly used to listen to whateverâs popular and new.
But something changed after, now I only listen to punk, rock , Heavy metal, soul etc ..
The difference I felt is that I actually feel something while listening/playing rock music.
Iâm very glad I did it.
Some of my favourites are Alice in Chains, deftones, rammstein, slayer, Gojira etc âŠ
I also love GnR , Foo Fighters , AC DC etc ⊠it helped me realise how beautiful rock is and how much you feel stuff with it which I never could with any other genre .
đ€đ» recently got an acoustic as well , and got into a lot of folk, soul stuff.. Neil Young, Dolly Parton, John Mayer , Johnny Cash, the Beatles ⊠Iâm having the best time of my life at 24 đ
Awesome man, I've been playing since I was 10 and I still love it. Never too late to pick it up. I'm glad you did.
welcome to the show. it's a good one. I play keyboards and very basic guitar. definitely, knowing how to play changes the way you listen.
Man wait until you delve deeper into more experimental side of things. Once you come to appreciate it then it becomes better than sex and drugs combined.
@@krzysztof4114 cringe
@@ljones2087 yo mama
Call me crazy, but I'm waiting for Trip Hop to finally get the respect it deserves. I'd like to see more artists creating in this genre. Think Portishead, Sneaker Pimps etc. You can fuse rock and melody into this quite well.
Trip hop has a great following in Europe.
It was a niche Bristol movement, Massive Attack, Tricky, Portishead, born from a small crew from Bristol (that included Drum n Bass legend Goldie) who loved 80s hip-hop, graffiti... It was of its time and very isolated in Bristol. Rumour has it Banksy was part of the crew.
My son up and decided to learn to play the guitar in the Summer of 2022. Just up and asked for a Squire and amp for his birthday. His birthday is in August and so he actually had the stones to ask if he could have his birthday present early as soon as he got out of school so he could learn over the summer.
He's still playing today. All on his own. I hope he keeps going forever.
What about the fact that it's difficult to engage edgy topics in a corporate environment? Rock thrived on pissing off the establishment. To a certain extent, legacy record companies recognized and cooperated. Now not so much.
Do you have kids right now? A big chunk of the big record company hip hop and pop they are selling to kids would shock the most grizzled Gen Xer. It's hard to find pop music
for kids to listen to. I don't think the record companies are afraid of edgy lyrics. It's changed a lot in the last decade
Is Dave Grohl cool? No.
there is no pissing off the establishment. america is a divided society, political music will means you're just pissing off the other part of the society and not every musician find that to be a good idea, some do though in every genre including rock
With Spotify, iTunes, etc., people are no longer committed to Bands like we were before the digital age. We had to buy the entire album and commit to it, whereas this generation can download their favorite song(s) and have no real loyalty to the Band as a whole.
Very good point. That's definitely part of the equation.
@@p.ardens954 Yes, I can find tons of rock, country, folk, jazz, funk, ect... The problem is that I don't enjoy any of it. There's almost too much metal out there, but it's really the only scene I see thriving.
@@p.ardens954 I think you're misusing the term "clickbait." Clickbait is an empty story with a misleading headline that tricks readers into thinking the article has substance or content that it doesn't. This video isn't that, and I've never seen a Rick video that was clickbait. I think you owe him an apology.
Moreover, the sorry state of rock music isn't a "non-existent problem" as you allege -- it it were, there wouldn't be millions of rock fans all over the world bemoaning how bad the genre has become and how much they miss the halcyon days when rock was vibrant, inventive, smart, authentic, and featured exceptional songwriting, musicianship and recordings (which it rarely does now). You can list all the bands you want that are "coming out with new music," but the problem is that most of it is dreck to anyone over the age of about 40 that recognizes and remembers what real talent looks and sounds like.
My attention span was long enough to listen to a double album. Depends on how much weed we smoked. The more we smoked the longer our attention span...
Now, more than ever, you're able to support bands directly. Whether it's through indie labels or even through Bandcamp. Vinyl is in extremely high demand too. So much that I've had to preorder records 6 months in advance. People still like buying records and merch.
At 61, one of the few bands that got me excited about rock are Greta Van Fleet and the Warning, especially the Warning.
Plush
Absolutely, GVF is carrying the torch for R&R. Great band.
I'm 66 years old and took my 23 yr old daughter to go see GVF and thought they were phenomenal.
@@miscemail2901 yes. I forgot about Plush. Moriah Formica is a solid rocker
I still think that great traditional rock artists with the potential to be big are out there! I wonât fight anyone who says itâs not the best rock ever, but certainly some efforts that deserve more attention. I recommend Greta Van Fleet, Ayron Jones, Mammoth WVH, Dirty Honey, Rival Sons, Joyous Wolf, Ghost, Crobot and more!
No copies deserve attention. Greta van fleet deserves to be destroyed and sued. This is another big reason why rock is suffering, there's little progression in the genre with all you people complaining about wanting the old sound.
Our contemporary culture is largely devoid of human heart and soul. Rock music has no place in the robotification of culture. Not just rock, but all of the classic popular arts are suffering a low time.
I mostly think its just incredibly difficult these days to create something unique and new. Rock genres are increasingly hard to invent. Grunge was probably the last one, but even it was mostly a mish mash of other styles. But yeah modern culture does not help.
Right the younger generation ain't got no soul look into there empty eyes. hip hop sucks... what i want understand is how caucasian kids identify with hip hop culture hip hop is black and brown culture how can white kids identify? As far as country I guess that's for the white kids that don't identify with hip hop
@@rrf6747 No, hip-hop doesn't suck. You just don't like it, and hey, that's totally cool. At the same time you might want to examine why it strikes you so. Of course, white kids are not hip-hop's primary audience, so the question why do they listen to it, and what are they drawing from it, needs to be asked. That's a huge question. We're not going to attempt to answer it now. I'll pose a different question: Is the dream imagined by Dr. Martin Luther King being achieved through hip-hop? Young Americans are thinking about race differently. Outmoded thinking about race is being challenged, and hip-hop is an important component of that. Further, Hip-hop exposes uncomfortable truths about America's relationship to its black citizens. It might be fruitful to ponder those things. Or not. You'd have to first listen to some of the artists creating that music. But that's not likely to happen because you've already said "it sucks".
@@chazsmith20 đ€đđ well said mr. Smith
@@kj4726 yes it does suck.. as far as black America goes the playing field has been level for some time now and the victim card is still played... anyway back to music I believe that rock music will have resurgence eventually
I started playing guitar at 12, and sang.
Then life happened, and I lost that piece of myself.
During the pandemic, I decided to pick it up again and treated myself to a Taylor acoustic, and I'm enjoying it so much.
Same here. Sold gear for college and started up again during Covid . Music brings so much joy to life . I forgot . Enjoy!
@@laurah6977 you too.
It is interesting what the pandemic has done to people. I personally ignored it from day 1, never wearing masks and not following any of the rules. It is cause I have no fear of the virus. Yeah I was chased by police for not wearing a mask on a college campus something I will never forget. They hunted me through the woods. Four grown men armed chasing me in the forest were I evaded being captured. I thought come Jan 4, I would lose my job for refusing to be injected but thank God for now, Biden's evil plan failed.
Even in my home city, I can't eat at restaurants because you must show proof of being injected and places like NYC someone like me is banned. My Hyno Designs channel which after having 70 million views was deleted by CZcams. I made one last comeback. Before CV-19, I uploaded a ton of new remastered videos and during the lockdown, I got millions of views than like always the powers that be didn't like it so they closed me down. On this stupid super old back up channel, I had a private video I recorded of a conversation at work with a client. CZcams deemed it hate speech and I got a strike.
@@HynoDesignsvIII CZcams (and by extension Google) plays by any rules they want, they simply invent them as they go. If they don't lean left, they're not right in their eyes (paradoxically speaking). And "hate speech" is anything that doesn't embrace progressive (Marxist) principles.
Here's something: no matter what style or what era, bass has never gone out of style. Guitar solos are old fashioned but a good bassline is eternal. When I was just getting interested in playing something my uncle said "learn to play bass and you'll never be out of work". 25 years later and he's still right.
I think that's why Rock music has faded from the mainstream, because Rock and Metal engineers bury the bass track, while other genres are centered on bass.
Yeah accept most bass tracks are just a single sustained notes these days.
Some great comments by some very intelligent people in this thread.
I plan to bring Rock back with Bass ...from my inner space...Gratitude and grace. SINGđ
Thatâs what Davie504 said
True what you say about the rock star being rarer these days. I think it a good thing that rock took a long break from the popular top 40 mainstream. It still appeals to youth and offers an honesty you don't get from our careful modern pop culture. It only takes one special new band or artist to bring rock back.
I just shared this with the guys in my jazz band. We have all ended up playing jazz as rock became more formulaic and overly produced. We know jazz is âdeadâ but there are still people out there who appreciate it for what it is, real music made by real musicians. I think the same is true of rock. Nothing like live music
Not dead overseas, my musician husband traveled to get the appreciation he deserved & they love Blues too, that hasn't changed. I think we're a bit spoiled here in the US and we take our culture for granted that it will always 'be there' when it's convenient.
And donât forget way back in the day I mean way way back in the 50s more people probably went to see live rock ân roll bands and played records. Moving way forward into the future 90s, 2000s, there are so many ways to listen to music and with good to great sounding equipment, people become couch potatoes and would rather sit home listening to the music then go out and see it live. I admit Itâs way easier to use my iPhone to stream a Miles album to my rather high-end stereo system and just lay back than to go out to listen to a jazz band.
Jazz certainly isn't dead in certain places. Particularly like Paris and New Orleans. Montreal & Amsterdam as well.
Jazz rocks.
you don't have to make formulaic and over produced rock music. Play the rock you want to play.
You are right on Rick. Kids don't want to learn an instrument. I tried teaching my grandkids and they're not interested, it takes time away from theirs video games and mobile phones. It takes too much work and isn't instant satisfaction. What a shame!
Yep thatâs very true. Iâm 17 years old, and I guess Iâm a bit off for most kids my age, I started playing drums when I was about 8 yrs old, I was brought up listening to Foo Fighters, and even though Dave Grohl is a rockstar in his 50âs heâs my biggest idol. I love his drumming, and in the past two years Iâve picked up guitar. Now Iâve got my own Dave Grohl signature replica guitar and theyâre still the main group I listen too to this day. The foos are the band that made it happen for me.
Exactly. It really is a shame, though. I've been playing drums for over 20 years and still play nearly every day, perfecting my craft and learning something new all the time.
Games are designed to be highly addictive. Methinks the key then, as a parent, would be to not get them into the habit of playing them. Maybe they still will after they are 18 and can do what they want, but hopefully you did your job as a parent and got them into different habits. But too many parents don't want to spend the time needed with their kids. They both work, they are tired, here, have a smartphone as a pacifier so I can have some me time. And then they wonder later in life why all their kids do is play games.
People donât even play video games anymore nowadays because of the phones. Thatâs how bad it has truly gotten
Always great videos, thank you Rick for your work! 10/10
19:15 - 19:23 ...Rick's answer is a big part of the answer as to why Rock likely won't be coming back. Very wise words in his response!
The *Holy Grail* to budding musicians when I was growing up was to be in a rock band
The *Holy Grail* for kids growing up today is to be "an influencer" .... Social media platforms like Tik Tok and Instagram have helped decrease society's attention span to less than a minute which is conducive to using clips from the electronic music of today, and artists are writing for that use...
So true. My problem with influencers is that many don't have seem to have an actual skill! It took the highly skilled and talented Snarky Puppy 10 years to earn money from music while an influencer who has had surgery in the right places can gain a huge following in months!
and what's wrong with that? there is so much rock music in tiktok by the way, especially pop punk and metal. and instead of complaining about influencers and social media i suggest rock musicians should be social media influencers themselves. the rock artists that talk with their fans in twitch like Ronnie Radke or help inspire new tiktok artists like Travis Barker are my kind of rockstars, the rock stars that think they're too big and too good to do so are the only one who are dying.
@@ayhamkimo4488 My 'hobby' for the last ten years has been supporting young live musicians, which has opened my mind up to listening to genres I'd not listened to before, Jazz, EDM, Big Band. I no longer spend the hundreds paying for acts who are no longer what they were. I invest my support into younger acts. Those old acts who charge hundreds for nosebleed seats haven't been about the music for years, so I'm glad to put my money into inspired, energetic and new music of today's younger artists
@ghost mall Rock'n Roll lives, but like an endangered species of butterfly. Old people aren't being pissed off because new stuff is too avant-guard. They're moaning because the new music isn't disruptive enough.
@@HaleysTusk that's great, younger bands need our support especially while performing live, i still like old bands too but i like them more if they're involved with the new generation. tiktok and social media isn't the problem here it's just a tool and many new musicians use that tool to get traction, nothing wrong with that. the solution for rock bands who are complaining about social media is to get more tech savvy and use this social media themselves or they will be left behind, both new and old rock artists should learn that.
When Jimmy Hendrix was a child he created a super hero persona who carried a guitar on his back. It only had one string and he didn't know how to play it. But he actually became the guitar packing super hero he envisioned. That's what rock needs now. A guitar playing rock-n-roll hero. The world awaits.
That's Yoyoka Soma.
@@NickNicometi we'll do a show together. Go out there like you lit yourself on fire and play your ass off to the masses of classes.
@@NickNicometi my pleasure. đ
Correction: Nirvana released their SECOND album, Nevermind, in 1991. That was their major label (DGC) debut, and the album that changed rock music. Their FIRST album was Bleach in 1989; it was released on the indie label Sub Pop.
Several thoughts:
1. it's really true in the US, less so in the UK. A band like Wolf Alice can top the charts and becomes ready to headline the biggest festivals there. Arctic Monkeys are not a new band but can still top the charts and headline festivals.
2. The attention span is IMO the biggest reason. Practicing an instrument requires time as mentioned in the video. There used to be a lot of time to kill when being a teenager. TV was very pretty much the only distraction at home, and it was crap (and still is). No easy communication with friends as we had no cellphones, no streaming services to watch anything at any time, no smartphone to play/watch/chat at any point in time. Basically, no internet that was pushing us to have a very short attention span with constant new stimulation or notification.
3. With the lack of internet, there was probably a bigger incentive to get out of the house and meet physically people, which itself can bring specific emotions.
I'm struggling myself with the attention span, so I'm not suprised that youger generations who only know this situation do not pick up instruments as much as older generations. And there was already a lot of people who were giving up instruments in the past because of how much effort was required.
there's hundreds of newer bands that play instruments. they're just not well known.
on the other side you have the growth of Djent and Technical Death Metal, where requiring more effort to play is a goal in itself
@@AnarchistMetalhead Yeah, but for me, most death metal [these days] is more about technique than being truly melodic, or even original.
Youâre right, but itâs also a vicious cycle.
If fewer kids are playing, then fewer are setting trends and in turn inspiring the next gen to WANT to play. Weâre in the âdiminishing returnsâ phase.
Metal is doing great, btw!
Metal guitar is MUCH harder and more challenging than ârock guitarâ, especially if itâs extended range, etc.
@@51MontyPython I agree, mostly. But that doesn't mean he's wrong about how tough it is to play that style vs. "the Kinks" or even Punk.
In other words, if a kid wants to play guitar at all these days, it's Metal they will play not Rock.
Paul McCartney is such a legend. I really appreciate how many interviews he still does, and they're always interesting.
have the bundle and it is great!!
the live click track thing is interesting, because we were told about it and encouraged to do it when I took a music tech course in 2005.. i like your take on it..
Music has devolved from a lifestyle to a pass time. Music used to be a way for people to connect and share an experience, now you can easily connect and communicate with someone across the world. Itâs hard to talk about a genre of music without the culture surrounding it, and ironically the thing thatâs made us more connected has divided us in a way.
Maybe for rock, but people are definitely connecting and communicating through hip hop
Never has devolved. Just become obscured. Thereâs good bands out there putting out tunes still. Popular music has never really been where itâs at. Cult bands are the truest.
There were a few bands in the âaughts. The Strokes, The White Stripes, Queens of the Stone Age, The Killers, Kings of Leon. Pretty big rock bands that need to be mentioned.
Ditto, I love that rich vein of great US bands throw in Interpol, and My Morning Jacket too. I hope Rick can start covering that 2001-2008 period soon, including what makes this song great videos for those bands.
Interpol
@@Beckonor dude, itâs 20+ ⊠why would you put that plus before the number hahaha you might as well just make it a greater than sign instead
Qotsa! They keep making amazing music!
The Italian band MĂ„neskin, ouaw !
Rick hitting the nail on the head, "it takes a while to get really good on the guitar". Indeed it does, and like many things that are dropping in popularity because they require that long investment of time to gain the skill level, the current trend for instant gratification is not helping these sorts of pursuits. Add to that the fact you can program DAWs and sequencing tools and get excellent results across multiple genres and virtual instruments with zero skills on said instruments and you can see why this is happening.
On the contrary, making music digitally is cheap and flexible. It can really allow for the producer to show their artistic views. There are definitely pros and cons. The cons are that the results will be less organic. But it doesn't mean it won't portray any less emotion. Now , the sound of real instruments and vocals with little less compression will always be more human than the digital sounds. Because it can be played live, and because we hear the voices of real people in them. And generally, most people feel at home with that kind of music.
As long as thereâs musicians playing music from the heart and with the soul, rock music will never be dead! Weâre here and alive-Iâm still alive! đ
I use to teach guitar lessons and I found that most of my young students wanted to learn classic rock songs. They never asked for a current song. Quite a few of them wanted to learn songs they've played in Guitar Hero. New music didn't seem to inspire them.
That is cool to hear.
Most people that play guitar play rock. But theyre in the minority for this current generation.
That's interesting to me. I was raised on rock n' roll which became rock which branched into subsets of rock and it was a great great time. Classic rock I think will endure, whether we recreate it in some form or not.
Bro who tf want current rock it's harsh
And who tf don't want 90s rock I mean there's many band legendary in 90s but I prefer nirvanađ€đ€
Yeah,, I've Seen it too.. there's a college just around the corner from my house, and whenever I go by there, I see zepelin,, Metallica,, acdc, g.n.r and nivarna t shirts everywhere.
Didn't know it left? It's still here! I just played a show with my band at a local venue, hard rock/metal show, 3 bands, on Friday. Place was packed!! Long live rock!
Rock hasn't been the soundtrack of Anerican culture since the 90s. Without having seen the entire video, I'd say it's due to rock losing it's blues base, and not having a melody
as part of the story.
Awesome! What's the name of your band? I'm doing a gig with my band this coming Saturday
@@NickNicometi you nailed it!!!! Old rock bands created a lie called COVID-19 to revive rock music!!!!!
Guitar hero was a great way to get to kids in video games and make them interested into guitar they need to bring that back. And Dave Ghrol was my biggest push to play guitar ever long was the song I had to learn how to play this. Iâm 34 but play with a few young kids and itâs unbelievable on the talent of some of them.
Having a guitar so it doesnât necessarily predicate being a rockstar Elton John was a rockstar. He was also a popular musician. Yeah there was some guitar solos in there but of course his first instrument instrument of choice is the piano but definitely a big and huge in the 70s and for the rest of his career, he was eulogized as a rockstar as a popular artist, but not all the time was her guitar solos, but there are some incredible solos on the album by David Johnstone.
Itâs going to come back. You made me start learning a loooot about music and guitar etc. Iâve made a Tik Tok for people of my age where I talk about Beatles, Counting Crows etc. People send me messages that they stopped listening to rap. So I think somehow itâs gonna come back. Love your channel
It's not coming back. The last semi-big rock era ended in 2013. And even that was just niche rock. Really The White Stripes were the last big rock stars abs they feel out of favor around 2006.
There is group of 3 very young sisters from Monterrey, who are playing their own instruments, writing their own lyrics, singing their own songs. They are gathering quite an international following. Ask your son if he knows about " The Warning". The girls are quite pretty, they have played gigs in places like the Whisky A go go, sing most of their songs in American English . If rock music needs a kick start in the 21st , these girl are it! Metallica loves them.
Bach! Think about his magic and level of accomplishment-- In his time, the Baroque era, he earned his pay that supported his huge family as the Thomaskirche (German for music director) at St.Thomas' Lutheran Church in Leipzig Germany. Just like the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker, he sat each day at a wood desk in his office with a quill, jar of ink, and staff paper to pen music for the Sunday service. The shear volume of his work is mind-boggling. I am a piano teacher of 25 years. I THOUGHT my knowledge and understanding of music was good, but it pales in comparison to Rick's teaching.
I love amazing teachers. You never forget them. My mother was an elementary school teacher for 42 years. I have taught piano for 25 years. I am eternally grateful to Rick for being the best teacher I have ever had. Endless hours of watching him and elevating my knowledge has turned me into a very confident conveyor of an essential message.
Heres a band I wish someone brought up in the chat: Tame Impala. First ep was in 2008, first album was in 2010. Didnt really have their breakthrough until 2015. Currently has 15 million monthly listeners on spotify, which is not that much less than lil uzi vert. âThe less I know the betterâ is universally known. Inspired a generation of neo-psych bands. I think thats an example of the kind of rock kids still want to listen to: dancey, pretty, and funky
Ok i got to the part where someone mentioned them and all he had to say was âthey are not a new band⊠at allâ. So wow rock was alive and well in the 2010s?
Thatâs the problem they always ignore indie acts. Itâs funny those acts have been rarely big since the 80s and accept new artists. From mgmt to tame impala to cigs after sex.
ROCK is alive and living in Japan. Check out Band-Maid "Domination" and "PLAY" LIVE Feb14th 2020. They're so good you don't have to know the language. Band-Maid has a few all English songs but mixes English with Japanese language.
He knows them well.
"'All the good riffs have already been used" Dany from The Warning says hi!
Thank you so much Rick for your show. I listened to the interview with Billy Corgan and Butch Vig and those are great one. I wish you could interview Shirley Manson, Melissa Auf der Maur and Courtney Love. They are amazing girls in rock, all very talented and charismatic.
Yes, especially would love for him to interview Shirley Manson. She is one of my fave people ever.
I'm a big fan of Rock, Metal, and Country and I use to be very much against any Rock sounding guitars in Country...now its practically the only place you hear rock guitar at all in the mainstream so I'm not so mad about there being at least some in there...what a sad state of music :(
Rock will not come back in the mainstream, but will remain in some way, and still be an influence in some newer styles, like jazz does.
Good point. Rock will be like the Blues.
My friends sixteen year old daughter I gave my acoustic guitar to three years ago, last year she wanted an electric guitar so I found one for her. Her parents got the guitar I got her the amp. This year she wanted a bass so again I did the amp her parents the bass. She has been playing and learning them.
Wonderful! Sounds like me at that age. Playing instruments really helped me a lot when growing up. Theyâre stress relief, creativity, and just fun.
Hiphop searches are so high because people that like that genre keep looking for "good" hiphop - AND THEY CANT FIND ANY *GOOD* NEW STUFF.
Today young rock and roll artists and players do not really "form bands" as such but rather get together with other artists, especially on CZcams, play a jamb session and then move on.
AND ROCK AND ROLL FANS LOVE WHAT COMES OUT.
Fans don't follow "bands" as such but rather follow individual artists and the whole scene is busy morphing the whole time due to collaborations - and that is exciting...
yes, via europe and australia.
When I was a kid and into my 20's, it was always one of my favorite things to go into a record store. I would spend so much time just reading the album covers lol. Of course there was that feeling when you brought whatever record home and opened it up.That whole aesthetic feel. CD stores were OK, but a step down in the feeling of it. Gone for young people. Now it's just lists on a screen and moronic tik tok videos. I feel bad for them, but they can't miss what they don't know, so it just goes away.
You'd put a new album up leaning against the wall so you could look at the cover for a few weeks. It was a whole different thing. And there wasn't the access, not MTV or anything like that, you'd have to wait until a new album came out.
We got an education by reading the liner notes on those albums.
True...Bring back Korvettes!
Sometimes there was a poster, beatles white album..
I'm 17 and own around 300 vinyls and still go searching for them and know a lot of people who still do! All hope isn't lost.
I don't believe it's really gone. I just don't feel the corporate entities want to push new rock. I think they are at a point where they can sit back on the older catalog music and rake in the cash without even needing any new music in the mix. The more rock there is the more it competes with the well known profitable catalog music and why would they want to water down the marketplace? After all one of your videos just talked about how the old music is being streamed more than the new music. This kinds proves the point.
Bang on. If you scout the Japanese market, Uk market it is there in various forms. Commercial radio, today is just run by fat greedy A and M people that can't be bothered taking a punt on a band.
Again we're interpreting it as a nepharious industry thing but people just don't want rock music. Rock music has kind of run its course and most rock music since the 90s has been less and less original. Rock stopped being fun since the 80s. It was still original in the 90s and 2000s, a lot of good new movements, but any bands people name to say "rock isn't dead" are literally just a rehash of what they liked as kids.
@@man4437 When you say a rehash of something. Music has always taken something away from its predecessors. Zeppelin stole the blues. The beatles started out playing Rock n roll. Then it evolves into something new. The only exceptions to this really are punk and grunge which both were a rebellion against conformity. That's what we need now.
At around 14 minutes you mentioned guitar sales. I picked up my dad's 50 maybe 60 plus year old Gibson J45 at age 45.
If rock music has run its course due to lack of originality, how the hell do pop & country get away with copy/pasting the same simple garbage for 40 years? All of human achievement capped by a teenager swearing along with a drum machine. Ugh.
For how much I have loved the music in my times, I donât know if we really need a comeback of something we have already had.
I would rather have something radicallynew (ven Hip-hop, which I donât care for but is still so important to younger generations, is 40 years old).
It will happen for sure, but it will take a long time
Check out CARDINAL BLACK... their guitar is named Chris Buck, he has a CZcams show called Friday Fretworks... I've been playing guitar for 50 years and Chris is like the guitar gods of old... I place him up there with Page, Beck, Clapton, etc... I look forward to seeing his band CARDINAL BLACK live, and always check out his Friday CZcams video so I can drool over his jaw dropping solos! Rock ain't dead when there's players like him out there!
Hereâs the thing. Rock, as well as all genres, will never really die. New songs of a certain genre will still exist either on a smaller scale or bigger scale. Itâs really about which genre will be in the trend. Right now (at least for the past 4-5 years), the retro synthy genre blew up and is in the trend. I think all genres will have their moments again. I also think pop rock is slowly making its way up in the trend again. History repeats itself.
I started a subreddit, r/newamericana in response to the little bits of pop rock that are coming back.
Yeah but key word, âpopâ rock. It ainât gonna be the good stuff, itâs just gonna be pop songs with distorted guitars and thicker sounding drums
@@footos8511 In other words, its gonna be like every band that existed from 1964-2004
@@neilpatrickhairless 50's rock was even more basic, listener friendly, and targeted to relate to your average teen, than 60's rock IMO.
@@footos8511
I'll agree that alot of the pop punk, post grunge revival stuff going on right now is cheesy but it's lyrics tens of millions of people can relate to, melodies tens of millions can hum. You can't say that of Slipknot or Trivium.
Also keep in mind this can be a gateway, if someone likes a rock song by Olivia Rodrigo or Kid Laroi, they might now be able to get into some other bands that are more "serious." But if you just blast them with nothing but harsh rock/punk/metal, you're basically making sure they don't ever like it.
What does make a song "the good stuff," anyway? Was there some kind of textbook I was supposed to read and academic test I was supposed to pass before being allowed to listen to music?
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard is one of the most exciting rock bands to come out of the last decade.
You are amazing love your channel and content- thank you for the education
As someone who is primarily playing country music I get asked the same about traditional country music as well. I am of the firm belief that music is like fashion; what was once the âinâ thing will come back around. In the 90s, country came back to using pedal steel guitar with John Hugheys solo on âLook At Usâ.
I sure hope rock returns very soon to the days of Queen, Zepplin, Pink Floyd and the other great rock bands that did stadium shows all over the world and I think it will. What itâs going to take is artists who are doing it for the love of the music more than money and who wonât just go with the tide but against it.
It is coming back Rick! Shockingly! A couple of bands that popped into my recommendations I was pretty surprised at how great they were-they both have a good 90s-ish vibe, with some metal mixed in.
Check out Broken Theory-song called âSomething Better Than You.â
Villains of the Story âLying to Myself.â
I went down the rabbit hole of new rock and was astounded at quite a few bands! I can only remember those 2 bands mentioned above.
Iâm 50 and picked up the guitar after being a dj/producer of edm for 30 years! Now I cannot imagine ever not playing guitar..
When I was a kid in the late 60s, early 70s, it seems that every neighborhood had a garage band. It doesn't really matter if the great majority of these bands were not very good. What matters is two critically important things:
1) Performing music was embedded in youth culture.
2) The number of people involved. In other words, the sheer volume of kids strumming on guitars manifested itself in the cream rising to the top. Simple statistics. The more people doing it, the more people that get really good at it.
So, to answer your question......no. Neither of the fore mentioned points is remotely close to happening anytime soon. There may be a lot of folks playing instruments, but the ratio of people acutely interested in watching them play is nowhere near the same.
In the late 70s, you could go to a variety of clubs/bars in a medium size town and routinely see terrific big city bands playing/traveling within their circuit. That simply doesn't happen anymore. It ended with the much cheaper "traveling DJ". That was the beginning of the end. The DJ eventually evolved into Karaoke, but the concept is the same. Much cheaper production costs. The end result is that it is tough for beginner bands to sustain themselves. The ultimate death knell came in the form of the easily pirated digital format. Musicians can't make a living anymore.
When I was a teenager, the three coolest things were muscle cars, rock music, and smoking pot. The last thing I ever expected is that pot would be the sole survivor. Totally ass backwards from what you would expect.
You came up in a great time sir, in my opinion it doesnât get any better than rock and roll out of the 70sâŠRock On
Cool changes over time whatâs cool then isnât now but that stuff comes back it ebbs and flows Yk
I really want you to be wrong but everything you said makes sense. I grew up in Greece, NY in the 70s and everything you described was factual. Thereâs simply not enough cream to rise to the top today. That coupled with the use of computers to develop music as opposed to the human brain and ear along eith the robotic enhanced voices pretty much dooms any comeback.
You can still see live bands. I did this past weekend. In fact, you can every weekend where I live.
@@bobbyd7524 You would have to go back in time to see the difference. I used a lot of qualifiers. Big city bands visiting medium town bars traveling a circuit. I'm talking about seasoned pros that are really, really good. People that do it as a career and it is the sole source of their income. I'm talking about it routinely happening. Everywhere. You don't know because you can't know. You never experienced it.
As a candidate for "last rock star," similar magnitude to Dave Grohl, and at least a little newer/younger is Jack White, though obviously no spring chicken himself. And I guess he got super famous before Grohl really did, despite Grohl going back further.
As George Harrison pointed out, all things must pass.
Rock is in your heart. People know it when they feel it! I believe there are bands out there that may rise up! Don't over produce it, keep it raw!!
The Warning. 3 extremely talented sisters from Mexico absolutely kick arse. Hard rock music has never been in better hands đž
Just gave them a listen and let me just say itâs no wonder rock is dead lmaoâŠmodern rock is just so boring
As a person who has struggled to get exposure over the last few years: I agree with many of these comments. I donât think rock and heavy music will ever be what it was. I think it might be due to a feedback loop of overproduction, and diminishing attention spans/interest.
Recording and album isnât really a special thing anymore. We have access to user-friendly DAWâs and plug-ins, and we also have distribution services. This is why there are, on average, 60,000 new songs uploaded to Spotify daily.
Every day, in my Instagram feed, I see a dozens ads for bands Iâve never heard of, bedroom guitarists promoting cover songs, etc. I think people have sort of become desensitized. I know I have.
nailed it.
@@GizzyDillespee great!
I was born in 2001, Iv been playing for 2.5 years and I just bought a Gibson les Paul and I have 4 other guitars and just modified my squire strat. I put a tele neck pickup, a standard single coil in the middle and a p90 on the bridge. I gotten pretty decent and i do session work for my brother, heâs a local music producer in Detroit. Heâs not big but he makes a living for himself. Iâm trying to start a band lol, my sound is kind of mix between my biggest influences which are zeppelin, Nirvana, Jack white and the doors.
The biggest key to conquering any riff/lick/technique is by paying our dues with time, the more time we spend on it, it's a grind, we will eventually be there. There are tools, to slow it down and get our ears and muscle memory to work the magic.
I miss voices that didn't all sound like each other...interesting and different voices that weren't all hyperproduced into blandness.
There are plenty, I'd wager that everyone commenting here could name 2 rock artists or bands that do something interesting and sound new. They're just not being pushed by labels cause it's cheaper to fund pop/hip hop artists than rock bands.
I miss voices that sound like adults.
well there are still artists that dont sound hyperproduced into blandness, you just have to look deeper
@ghost mall
"You literally have access to pretty much the entirety of recorded popular music at your fingertips."
I'd like to add: *and recorded obscure music as well.*
I can easily imagine scenarios about what if internet doesn't exist; high chance, today I'm still stuck listening to Iyeth Bustami. Yet, I'm listening to Kisou-Yushi's album _Konohana Sakuya_ right now, a really obscure album which my Japanese music-loving friends don't even know about. So obscure that this artist only has two subscribers in CZcams. How come I managed to find this? Internet, with a bit of luck.
Really, some people don't understand that we are so lucky for living in this day and age, where we can find too many stuff just by typing, clicking, and moving cursor. Instead of spending some of their free time to look for something interesting, they decide to complain.
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We have this mighty gate in our fingertips, folks. Let's utilize it.
@@adityairawan1843 gonna check the japanese music out
My theory, before reading other comments below. In the 60's, 70's and 80's music in general was curated by a relatively few number of experts who were gatekeepers of popular rock music and access to radio
ecord labels. They chose music that was great because they had to find the next hit. Today we all choose the music we want via Spotify (except today, it's down), and we as individuals suck at choosing good music that will appeal to the majority of people and ALSO be excellently crafted. Thoughts on that?
Very interesting! I've never heard someone put it that way
Mike, you are right in line with my view. Before the internet there were a handful of television stations, each town had a handful of radio stations, so the choices were more limited, and as you point out, more controlled. Today there are literally millions of streaming channels and the music that I am looking for is much harder to find, but it is still out there.
People rely on algorithms to make their decisions now because there's too many songs and artists to choose from. And those algorithms are 'curating', if you will. They also create echo chambers.
The younger generation is a mindless sea of robots. They want pop and rap that all sound the same.
Rock and Roll was born in the 50's, it was an adolescent in the 60's, it was a grown up in the 70's and dropped dead in the 80's.
Rick, PLEASE check out the Japanese rock scene with bands like Band-Maid, Nemophila, Lovebites, and many more. They are KILLING it with new rock/metal music with fantastic musicians inspired by the older rock we all love.
Totally right. Band maid is an incredible band with women who know their instruments and are having fun.
And it's so funny he mentioned video games and here's Japan, where many of the world's video games come from....loving and producing rock.
Video game music is very popular with kids too.
It will, but it will never be as big as it was. Algorithms create concentrated niches; Everyone has their own personal radio station, and nothing is communal. Djent, metal, folk, shoegaze, 8bit, etc. But this goes for any genre, unless corporations push your stuff.
Edit: that being said, there's some modern bands I think check all the boxes:
Bright Light Social Hour - garden of gods live
Tyler Lyle - don't want the struggle
Dirt Poor Robins - great vacation
The Midnight (depending on how you define rock)
Strand Of Oaks - hurry
Beatenberg - ithaca
Vista Kicks - chasing waves
Exactly, there is no common culture and a really big set of creators hawking their artistic endeavors through alternative channels.
There's a key word: algorithms are ruining human choice. It's like everytime you look for a healthy meal, someone comes and shoves a Big Mac in your mouth, just because you took a bite two weeks ago.
@ghost mall Perhaps an adult with self judgement has the ability to do that. But teenagers and young adults are easily influenced by the mainstream and from whatâs âtrendingâ.
@ghost mall Agreed. Marketing strategies are pretty much the same. The only thing that has changed are the platforms. If I used to listen Nevermind day and night until the tape worn out, I canât imagine how many times does a kid taps the click button to hear the same trap song in a single day. No wonder why Disney songs have billions of views, which also have an impact on those stats. I can enjoy Abbey Road every couple of months, because Iâve heard plenty music to choose from. When youâre a kid and youâre just exploring music, every new release becomes an obsession, and thereâs where the algorithm plays itâs part, maximizing the exposure of the user to the trend, like a sugar rush, so those numbers are not completely accurate, since some adults do not use social media.
The issues are with the genre's and sub-genre's!! Think of this term nowadays: "Mainstream"... It has a whole new meaning with the crap streaming services ruining music!!
I've been listening to mostly hard rock these days. Some of it is newer and some is older. Definitely still a thriving scene there.
What are you listening for newer hard rock?
@@pierre-claudemeriot6562 Try The Pretty Reckless' latest. It's incredible
@@arthurg7894 You must be trolling.
@@TT-df9hp Considering Rick has mentioned them before in other videos and said as much, no, I'm not. I could ask you the same thing about mentioning Queens of the Stone age but oh wait... that's your personal opinion. Just like mine. Huh. Interesting that art is subjective, no?
Look up black midi
I'm almost 51 and still play video games, simply because I don't watch television. I'm also a newer guitar player. The good thing about video games is there is some VERY good music within the games themselves! There is HOPE!
*Prince and many others used backing tracks religiously and their shows were phenomenal with Absolute Energy all over the play. Go check out princes tours during the symbol album in the gold experience for example and also check out the Emancipation tours*
I think The Warning have some potential, they are song based and do have hooks but just need exposure and to build their following. The catalogue presence - you quoted 73% - is limiting growth of new rock acts. But I believe with the right label, advertising and exposure possibly this band cam do something.
Rock songs may not be chart toppers but they often have more longevity than other genres. Lava has The Warning signed to a five-album contract, which gives a lot of time to build an audience.
They need to just keep doing what they are doing and big success will follow. All the super great bands from Led Zeppelin to Van Halen to Queen to Nirvana to many others were either not together or unknown when they was at the age Dany (22) Pau (20) and Ale (17) are now.
to paraphrase an Eric Church song " The Warning still have a lot of boot left to fill" but right now, they (and many other young bands) are sacrificing everything to hopefully see there dream come true.
and just to be clear and transparent, I'm not suggesting or implying they compare to the bands I listed.
although I do feel they are the most refreshing thing music wise to enter my life in almost three decades.
I feel the same about The Warning. Their passion and energy have me hooked. I stumbled across them while looking for Queensrycheâs album âThe Warningâ. Saw the cover art for Queen Of The Murder Scene and thought it looked interesting. Listened to the first track and was blown away. They are currently my favorite band. My 12 year old son is really into them too.
It's as if the heartbeat on the Dark Side of the Moon was foreshadowing of rock going on life support. Currently enjoying Echoes (Live at Pompei). Rock was about going out and socializing. Sharing records and cd's. Doesn't happen anymore.
Echoes is a journey in itself
Think about why we (people over 40) listened to music back in the day as kids. It was about rebellion. About expressing emotion and doing it as a community of fellow kids with our friends.
Kids today don't have that. They don't have a force of rebellion. They replaced all of that with social media, CZcams, Twitch, tik tok and massive amounts of anxiety. They don't cruise around and listen to music with their buds. They go around making silly videos to try to go viral on tik tok or CZcams.
The society completely changed and it was the internet/social media that changed it.
I think a smaller part of it is there's nowhere else to take music. It was a source of rebellion against our parents. Rock turned into metal and hard metal. Our parents hated it. Rap turned into gangsta rap. Our parents hated it. And we loved that. That's all gone, can't get harder and more controversial than death metal and gangsta rap.
Pink Floyd was always a snooze fest to me. đŽđŽ, cure for insomnia.
â@@vicenzor3625 if you're goal is just to piss people off, your just no good. And billions are NO GOOD.
Some newish bands I can think of that come to mind that do guitar solos (relatively new bands anyway): Bullet for my Valentine, Rise Against, A Day to Remember, August Burns Red, Avenged Sevenfold, Killswitch Engage. I'm sure there are plenty more, those just came top of mind. Of course this kind of begs the question of how are we defining "new"? The last 5 years? 10? 20? Post-90s? If a band technically started 25 years ago, but is still actively touring and producing records, are they barred from the conversation?
Sometimes I think the big mistake of modern rock is that it looks at things like EDM, pop music, etc... and tries to match what's going on there in order to keep up (autotune, total pitch and rhythm perfection, etc..). This overlooks the fact that one of the most endearing things about rock and roll is that it's imperfect, it's raw, organic, and honest. If you take those things out, it's just pop music with distorted guitars, which seems to kill an important portion of what rock and roll historically is. My guess is this is probably more of a record label problem than anything else, but that's just a guess.
On the point of in proving your craft and band timing. In 1979 our band formed a Beatles tribute band learnt 5 early albums plus songs from Hamburg. Did 3 1hr sets a night just to improve our playing for our originals band. As a result we recorded our 8 song demo in the studio including vocals in 4hrs. Can't see that happening today. đ
Rock never died Rick, listen to any of the thousands of Southern Rock or Doom/ Stoner Doom outfits active in the scene and you'll find some serious gold. That aside, bands like The Sword, Baroness, Kylesa, Krallice, Between the Buried and Me, and so many more do right in the vast majority for Rock and keeping the roots (and progressing them) well and alive.
It's more an issue of the industry being the entertainment groups, labels, marketers, and billboard associations and their influence on things as a whole and their willingness or reluctance to invest in the scene.
Rock and Metal for life!
I agree with you, but Rock music in general is not in the mainstream any more like in the past, that is Rick's point. Bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, Motley Hatchet, Journey, Styx, AC/DC, so many to name, etc., etc...were in the mainstream selling millions of albums...
@@pierremartinez297 That's more on the Industry (labels and entertainment groups, marketers, billboard association, etc.) than the artists, they want to push certain agendas and less talented genres and artists as a consumable for the current climate and market base, and for their profit margins. They look at bands more and more like an expendable commodity than for the talent/ skill and as an investment.
Rock and Metal bands still "break through" to the larger scale of that "mainstream" caliber, but it has become less unfortunately, again they just aren't treated the same. Mix that with how exposure happens nowadays and there are still a very apt and viable ways to "make it big".
Rock and Metal ain't dead by any stretch, in fact it's grown exponentially more.
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary Agreed. I hope you are correct and some modern rock bands make it BIG. The current modern rock bands that I enjoy Post Animal, Wolf Alice, Psychedelic Porn Crumpets, Cage the Elephant, Royal Blood, Highly Suspect...I hope that they make it big and go mainstream... but to be honest, they will have to tour endlessly to make a comfortable living, instead of having a nice helping to that income by selling albums, well now streaming songs....we will see...Jazz (Miles Davis, Coltrane...) never died, it slowly and gradually just stopped being mainstream when rock and roll hit.... I think the same will happen to Rock, it will never die (I never said it will), but I do not think it will become mainstream again, at least not in my lifetime... I am of Rick's generation
King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard too
@@roig8578 I mean some bands like Foo Fighters and Mammoth WVH are doing well in the mainstream limelight, but it has dynamically changed in many big ways not for the better.
I'm more privy to the heavier and more extreme stuff apart from some of the revivalist southern rock and doom acts out there.
The digital world and all the micro-transactions and fractions of percentages from plays do add up but it takes a hell of a long time for any substance, touring is definitely the biggest moneymaker for Rock and Metal in large apart from a successful sales run with physical formats and merch lines.
In that regard, various online or hybrid platforms have been useful and successful for the scene, but it's very arduous and there's no guarantee of success when the major moguls/ companies/ groups don't put rock and metal bands in their pocket anymore like they do with the easier to exploit and watered-down acts in other genres.
I just watched an amazing show with Volbeat and Ghost and Iâd say it never left it isnât the bands fault it the industry. There are quality act out but the industry focuses on the less talented and creative.
Rival Sons and Dirty Honey are amazing current rock bands.
Authenticity, commonness, organic, flawed playing, meaningful lyrics, not trying to be popular or toe the line of a subculture. All that would help make bands cool & normal. Also writing your own stuff, fail or succeed. Also, please sing deeper!
Thank you Mr Beato for your work!
Dan Auerbach gets my vote. Black Keys are great. He is doing good things at Easy Eye Sound. đ€
I agree 100%. I cut my rock and roll teeth in the late 60s and 70s, grew up near SO much music in the L.A. area. I saw many of "the greats" live in my hey day.
My daughter brought me some The Black Keys tracks, "Mom, you'll like these guys!" I most certainly did and it just feels like "home" to me.
And Dan Auerbach, with his Easy Eye Studios is doing great things, making new music with new artists and also preserving the old blues. I truly enjoy everything he and Pat Carney do!
As someone in highschool that plays the bass I know a lot of people who picked up instruments in my age group. There seems to have been a mini instrument Renaissance over the quarantine. Also, I see lots of people getting exposed to older music through TikTok.
It's not dead at all, and there's still quite a bit of good rock being made. But it doesn't dominate in popularity any more the way it used to. In fact, nothing really dominates that way any more. There's a wider range of different kinds of music out there, everyone has ready access to all of it, and people gravitate to whatever niches they like.
Iâve been a guitar player since the mid 80âs. A great time to learn the guitar and be in a garage band. Once the mid 90âs rolled around I kinda faded out of the music scene to raise my kids, none of which ever developed the passion for music that I had. I will admit, I stream lots of music daily, but almost always go back to my 80âs goto bands and playlists. Recently I went to see Wolfgang Van Halen play and I must say he is one guy that has some talent that Iâm looking forward to keeping an eye on over the next couple decades.
As far as young people learn the instruments all you have to do is look on CZcams and you can see all kinds of talent all over the place with these young people
Your comment about emulating rock stars really hit home. I'm a 44 year old guitarist/songwriter in Orange County trying to start a band and, at least in my area, it seems no one even wants to sing rock anymore. Reading all the comments below really keeps me hopeful. Cheers everyone!
Thatâs funny Iâm from Orange County ny and itâs the same
Unfortunately
@@crispylicksguitar Coast to coast, same issue. I created this CZcams channel with just instrumentals so singers could hear my style. I used to live in Los Angeles and even then no one wanted to sing rock. I feel you Chris.
14:55 Yes, that's true. When I was a kid about 20 out of 30 kids in our class were learning how to play a musical instrument (classical piano mostly). Now I'm a teacher and I sometimes ask kids if they play any instrument. They usually reply no, and they wouldn't like to start learning this sort of skill.
Howabout a summer road trip revisiting all the places and personalities of rock, metal, grunge, country, hip hop east coast west coast, dirty south, blues and folk.
Totally agree that quantization has taken the feel out of rock music.
With auto tune and labels demanding safe, pop sounds.
Zitti e Buoni by MĂ„neskin topped charts in 7 countries and reached 7 in US digital song sales. In 2021.
There is no lack of new Rock music nor is there a lack of invasion. It's just that it's hart has moved from the US mainstream to regional scenes.
They also won the 2021 Eurovision song contest with this song (for non-Europeans: thing Superbowl, but for music and with 40+ countries competing) by a landslide. The same contest included also a neo nu metal Blind Channel from Finland (who ended up 6th with their song Dark Side) and a heavy-sounding electro-folk from Ukraine (Go_A, Shum). The songs for the 2022 edition just started to pop up, as they are selected by the national bodies (you can find them all on the YT channel of Eurovision) - and there will be a few rock songs there for sure.
Mate, rock music never went away. The scene here in the UK is awash with Rick gigs. Young bands and old. Iâm loving every minute of it.
Itâs still here in the uk definitely, but itâs not mainstream at all
The last more traditional blues influenced rock band that I can think of is The Black Keys, which formed in 2001. They have a number of great albums and they were solid live. Courtney Barnett's first album in 2015 features a number of more hard edge sounding drums and guitar sounds as well, but she has since gone in a more folk rock direction. Also in the folk rock area, I would include The Fleet Foxes which formed in 2006. I remember the lead singer, Robin Pecknold, getting a lot of hero worship from both men and women on the internet, partly due to the lyric focus on nature and strong songwriting skills in addition to being a good singer. Their last big hit "Can I Believe You" was released during lockdown in 2020.
Overall, I agree with your assessment though that rock left the building in the pop world sometime in the 90s. People say that everything comes back around eventually. I certainly hope so, but I have my doubts.