Marshall JCM800 2203 sounds from JCM2000 and JVM....
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- JCM 800: 2:27
JCM 2000: 2:55
JVM 410: 3:20
The Marshall JCM800 might well be the most famous amp in the world of anything rock. So when Marshall started high gain channel switching amps, they often tried to incorporate that 800 sound into the modern amps as well. With varying degrees of success, I must admit. It seems to be close to impossible to get the same direct punch with a more complex channel switching head, but I gotta say I was quite surprised how close at least that JCM2000 DSL gets...and that with the option of having a killer sounding high gain channel on top...what an underrated amp. The 800 channel of the JVM sounds a bit more held back and less direct, but still does a decent job, especially considering the extreme versatility the JVM line offers.
But why not compare for yourself?
User of all 3 amps here. In order to mimic a JCM800, you must dim the resonance and presence on the JVM to nearly 0. That is a must because the JCM800 are not designed with these. Also, don't max out the bass and gain on the JVM. Try roll it back and use a boost pedal in front to add bottom punch. The magic of gain on JVM only happens when you find the borderline point between its overdrive and distortion. This way it will sound a lot more vintage like those old Marshalls.
That DSL Classic Gain Green channel is great. Add an OD to that and its even better.
I’ve found the JVMs to be very finicky to dial, but can practically replicate any Marshall exceptionally well when done properly. I personally think it can get a lot closer than in this video
Yeah I think they need to use the Crunch red channel or the OD1 green channel
The JCM2000 is a pretty amazing amp. I'm very impressed with it. The Vintage Modern is another winner. The two best post-JCM800 amps that Marshall made.
2:28 for actual playing
Imo the JVM really sounds way more modern and a bit more scooped/bassy. I'm actually suprised how close the DSL is though. Interesting comparison, thanks for that.
Smoke...iv just found out that the jvm 2nd gain channel has the mid voiced at 500hz......scooped normal...650hz.....so you have excellent...hearing...
You are the only person I've seen it's done this right most people use the high gain channel on the JCM 2000 But you use the JCM channel👍
The DSL had a little bit more high end, but was pretty similar.
The JVM just sounded thin to me.
That 2203 is magic, though!
Yeah, jvm did sound thin
Well gain set to ten sounds like shit on any amp
@@nickcrane8329
True for higher gain amps. Sounds great on an 800. If the JVM's 800 circuit was as close as everyone claims, that factor wouldn't matter, because they would have roughly equal gain.
Gain aside, the midrange was definetely more scooped on the JVM. Just didn't have the same punch. I realize the settings were slightly different, but they were 2 notches apart. If the midrange is that different in supposedly an 800 type circuit, even at 10, I don't think it'd compare.
Nice comparison, the DSL really does do a respectable 800. I have a DSL40C and it is similar on classic gain channel as well. Would love another 800 someday when funds allow.
I'm a modern guy, but sadly I must say... the OG slays the other two in punch. It just sounds/feels more physical.
Absolutely. That JVM 410 sounded awful
Kyle Wipert Even the JCM2000 slayed it... and many complained about that amp.
I say go 1983-84 jcm800 2203 and be done. No experimentation necessary.. but maybe a repair or two.
The DSL sounded pretty cool, that one is definitely a workhorse. The JVM didn´t sound good, I have played one myself (didn´t try to emulate an 800) and it sounded great, so apparently, it doesn´t do 800 tones that well.
My fav of the 800 series is the 2205 model, just gotta love the diode clipping! However, my favorite amp that´s derived off of the 800 circuit is most definitely the 2555 Silver Jubilee. It´s the best amp Marshall ever made IMO.
Hey Lasse you have amazing reviews of amps and I feel like we play a lot of the same style of I've music which amp would you choose between a jcm 2000 and a jvm for a good overall death metal modern thrash metal tone?
Thanks. Out of those I’d go with the jvm
800 paired with a Shiva together sounds beastly
Interesting - Appreciate the time and the comparison - Question, and forgive if I missed it but did you mic it (if so what mic + speaker) or IR's - Thanks
Thanks.
V30 and a single sm57
Perfect - Thanks for getting back
What's the difference between the stock JVM and your fortin mod?
Nice! If I ever have to use a DSL, for whatever unfortunate reason, I’ll know where to put my settings 😂
What do you think about Kerry King’s signature jcm800? Is it really that much better then modern stock jcm800? (If we don’t take into account added features like noise gate etc.). Thanks for the video!!!
PARAMONARIOS I’m absolutely loving the KK! I wouldn’t say it’s better than the 2203X, it’s just different, depending on that you need the amp to do
Lasse Lammert thanks for the reply! 🙏🏻
Lasse Lammert It must be difficult to spread the love amongst so many amps lmao
The jvm need some bass or resonance, that my impression
where did you have the volume set on the jvm (not the master)
Sounds about right
Thanks! I have the JVM. Awesome amp. Gigged for steady never had any issues. just change the "oil" every now and then! definately a future classic even with its cons..lol
DSL gets close, but lacks a tiny bit of the oomph of the JCM800. JVM sounds quite thin in comparison. Wonder if it's "tone suck" from the extra circuitry of multi channel amps ?
my theory is that the JVM has a way tighter negative feedback loop. which limits the power amp from breaking up like the DSL or JCM. i have heard some JVM's with the negative feedback modded to JCM800 spec, and they do sound a bit fuller than stock
How did you manage to put the gain at 10 on the jvm without having it sqeal all over the place?
Marc andré Nault crunch channel orange mode
It seems like Marshalls get more thinner sounding nowadays.
Moin Lasse,
the 800 beats the other ones by far. Same thing I had (or better still have) with my JVM205H. The Stiletto Stage 1 Deuce beats it in sound, punch and versatility (for that what I need => e.g. the fx-loop as a pseudo-PPIMV) and parallel pushing tubes via channel- and Mastervolume is a great advantage, especially at smaller club gigs. Just my 2cents ;-)
Cheers, Frank
The jcm 800 is awesome . The DSL is close the jvm sounded thin ... I wonder if the newer DSL 100 hr can get close ? To me it sounds better than a jvm when it's on the classic gain channel and pushed with a TS 9
They all sound very similar. Could you compare a Marshall TSL or DSL to a Soldano SLO some time?
Yes very close..if you did a blind test people would be guessing all over the place which is which.
jcm 800 i liked the best
Just sold my JCM 800 combo 2204 last week. (big mistake) 2204 was just too loud. Just ordered from G.C JCM 2000, should be here in few days. I'm kicking myself for getting rid of the 2204. But... maybe i'll like the JCM 2000?
Alan Kotler How do you like the JCM2000 compare to your old 2204?
@@Dimillio7 I miss the 2204's tone and feel. However the 2000 is much more user friendly has quit a bit more gain on tap. Plus a great clean channel and an Effects Loop. No effects loop on the 82, 2204 which made it difficult to add a delay, reverb, or clean boost for lead solos. I'm not selling the JCM 2000, really good amp.
I didnt think any of em sounded like any Marshall ive ever heard. More like a Crate or a Randall with those settings.
Sorry i need to keep my comments to myself
so, which is the most high gain beast..? :)
They’re all great :)
JVM
I just got a 1984 JCM 800 2204 and even at 50watts its brutally loud, turning the volume up to 1 is basically too loud for home use. I have a JCM 900 MK3 and a JCM 200 TSL and there are much more controllable.
Don't buy a 100 watt amp and expect it to be good for home use. Thats like buying a 10,000bhp Top Fuel Dragster and expecting it to make an ideal car to go shopping in. You at least need an attenuator to get the best out of a 100w amp at home.
@BionicSammich
I do not agree, my JCM dsl 100 and evh5150iii 100, sound much better at low volume than my 5150iii 50w and lbx .
That's the reason I sold my 82, 2204, just too loud, everyplace i played at complained it was too loud. plus No effects loop. & it really doesn't start to shine until the MV gets to about 4, by that time you can kiss your ears good by! I do however miss that tone for sure.
Those dsl settings suck the 2000 has been my giving amp for the last 3 years turn presence to 4 dime the eq then back off the treble with the gain at 8 on the first red channel
Well, dialed it in for MY taste....please re-watch intro to the video :)
Dsl won that by miles... I've got the tsl I like it but the tubes are 16 plus years old and I'm replacing them but the amp probably sounds like a dog but I'm used to it
Jeez, I'd take the DSL over the JVM any day... Made in England or not. I know the newer DSL's are made in Asia but the earlier ones are made in UK... But regardless, DSL just sounded a hell of a lot better for the mid gain thing
Jvm need more resonance there's no thump
Someone YouDontKnow the Jvm410h actually sounds better than this, I’ve compared the 800 to the Jvm410h and I ended up buying the Jvm410h. That guy needs to know how to dial in tones, I actually didn’t enjoy any of the amps I heard in this video.
Jvm sounded thin, soundwise the Dsl crunch Chanel is very similar, had a jvm and a Dsl, still got the Dsl, jvm has gain but no balls
JVM no balls but DSL has balls? Unique opinion.
@@michaelmichaelson6766 I have a JCM 200 DSL , the other guy in my band has JVM. The JVM has balls for sure, it's just voiced a little different.
They all sounded like ass if you ask me, I have a jcm800 2203 and it don't sound that crappy..
Mic and Eq were not the best in this vid. They all sounded kinda fizzy and I've had all three.
800>DSL 2000>JVM. That being said, you can get a DSL 2000 for like $500. Retube and bias it hot around 45 (Marshall actually recommends this bias setting) and they sound really good!! No point in spending $1500+ on a 2203.
the other two don't even come close to the original.
410 sounds awful haha.