I get this. In childhood I felt numb when abuse was taking place. Then I started to feel bad feelings. As I begin to heal I am trying to learn about the feelings in my body, what they mean, such as this pressure in my chest, is repressed sadness, or this feeling off as being upset. God, it's awful how I did not know what was going on before. I hope to continue my healing journey.
Gendlin was a great man and did so much to p the evolution of Therapy in many disciplines. Here is a taxonomy that I use and which clarifies how the felt sense arises and what it is, that I find very helpful in therapy and coaching. (Emotional) feelings are our emotional brains best guess of our interpersonal status/dynamics in that moment. I feel betrayed and (that makes me) feel insignificant and worthless and alone. These feelings then cause an emotional reaction, likely of sadness, which dumps a bunch of chemicals and starts a physiological process, which should lead to crying and ideally healing. This last stage of Behavioral manifestation is where the emotions will often be blocked and bump up against resistance in the body. This stress of resistance is the world of the felt sense. Also when the feelings and emotions are very subtle and the course through the body with very little manifestation this is also the felt sense. Something Dr Levine did not mention that I think is important, is that Gendlin explicitly noted the patient would pause, often close their eyes, and turn inward, to explore and experience the internal manifestation of these processes in their body. It's this - turning inwards and engaging the non-intellectual part of our self - that seems to be most predictive of people healing and recovering in therapy. After years of working with focusing and the felt sense I created a variation of what Gendlin did called NEDERA which is specifically designed for emotional expression (and healing) of the felt sense.
Gene Gendlin was a philosopher but he became a main assistant to Carl Rogers and of course he did a lot of therapy and trained a lot of therapists and so this was a little slip of the tongue by Peter, not too long after he slipped, and said that this research identified the therapists who benefit when he actually met clients.
The rectification is needed. Eugene Gendlin was a psychotherapist in the Person-oriented and experiential psychotherapy before he created his own school of psychotherapy called Focusing-oriented psychotherapy.. Please rectify this information. Dr Peter Levine is an estimed scholar and master psychotherapist and when his words are not accurate here, this is not ok for another eminent and ground-breaking philosopher and psychotherapist, Eugene Gendlin, that the whole body psychotherapy owes so much to. Also Eugen Gendlin should be tagged as a creator of this term "felt sense", as the gave it a very precise definition, years of exploring and lots of processes. Respectfully, Agnieszka Klimek
The first 2 minutes of this video are dedicated to crediting EG with inventing the concept and term. Tho EG may have given it a precise definition, it is nevertheless, subtle enuf to evade understanding for some. If Levine doesn't have it right, then that only makes my point for me. There is way too much concern these days for proprietary rights on information. It's getting absurd.
perhaps Jennifer and Agnes. I sense its both it's important and not important . Peter and Eugene seem comfortable with ambiguity. I think "coined the term felt sense" understates Eugene's contribution. felt sense is by its nature something cognitively indeterminate and to be discovered through exploration...well that's my sense 😉
I meditate since 6 years on daily basis. In the early days my Transmission failed because I was intellectualising all my emotions, in thoughts. Then suddenly I could feel the importance of sensations, they just -for short moments- washed away my negative thoughts and intellectual strategies. I now am more and more capable of just letting be my thoughts, whatever they are 'good' 'bad' 'ugly' etc etc. Ok good thoughts are helpfull in staying in 'balance' in . But more and more I strongly believe my sensations, crying, joy, compassion love music Dancing laughing humor are a special sense that actually 'overrule' my prefabricated thinking... I often feel like a child that's playing, what 'mum or dad' in my head is saying doesn't matter me at al ;)l😂
I am really glad he is making the connection to body feelings and creativity… as I learn more I am discovering many professionals using art and movement to treat and apply somatic. Makes perfect sense.
Most simply: as Gene taught it, what he called The felt sense was to distinguish it from the five organ based senses. So this is the sixth sense, and he loved to assign Plato‘s Meno and passages in Aristotle psychology, particularly the one where Aristotle wrote that we only know sugar is white and sweet because sight and taste occur to one inclusive encompassing sense.
If Eugine Genglin wasn’t a therapist how would he have gotten involved in the whole testing of therapeutic success, or created the therapeutic terminology , felt sense , and created a modality that was a spring board for Peter levine ‘s work? That was a huge blunder Peter.
it feels slightly pejorative when he says that about Gendlin...he was a researcher, initially with Carl Rogers, Philosopher, and such a humble human being.
@@katisingh I agree. You can see discomfort in his body language when he articulates this false statement, he almost jumps on his chair. 1:49 I've heard Levine was Gendlin's student at a certain point. Gendlin was both a philosopher and a therapist.
Tessa Rosemary trauma and Memory Healing the tiger both by Peter Levine Also check out The body keeps the score Gabor Mate’ when The Body says No Alice Millers work
I still don't get it. I understand what emotions are. And I understand what bodily sensations are. But I don't think I can discern this 3rd category of "feelings". I've always just used that word synonymously with emotions. What I understand "Felt sense" to mean is what my conscious awareness can identify as arising within - be that physical, mental, emotional, intuitive, whatever. It can be a perception or interpretation of something external to the self, but it is arising within the conscious awareness. If I have that wrong, oh well. Maybe make it easier to understand. I think we have a language problem here. We don't necessarily have the same definitions of the words you're using to define felt sense, so I can't understand.
Fact Check: As a yoga teacher, I'm a little confused. How is this new or proprietary scientific wisdom, belonging to this person or any other? Ref the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali...it talks about awareness, compassion, aversion, mental and physical obstacles, blocks, pain, anguish, suffering, non-harm, how to move to access healing/rest/change, with awareness and breath, etc. "Felt sense" - as with any other aspect of awareness or sensitivity - is not a concept that was coined or invented by a white male academic or therapist. Patanjali is reputed to be an ancient Indian sage or scholar who documented teachings that had been orally transmitted and passed down (for/by generations of people who lacked the privilege of access to literacy education). Anyone who has experienced professional dance training will possibly be able to relate too. I don't discredit the wisdom, but it's not theirs, nor is it original. It's a borrowing, or a referencing. Given Somatics claims to help relieve the trauma of loss, harm and oppression, my deeply felt sense is that it's important to acknowledge this lineage and heritage - and there are doubtless many, many others (qi-gong, tai chi, martial arts, dance...). So on Patanjali's behalf, and those whose teachings s/he wrote down, I'm a little nonplussed...
Maybe you should read a little bit about felt sense, it is a very specific concept, philosophically grounded, and surely not mentioned in this way in the yoga-sutras. Many thinkers refer to sth. like the felt sense, because it is a natural phenomenon, but more implicitly and never made a concept like Gendlin out of it.
I get this. In childhood I felt numb when abuse was taking place. Then I started to feel bad feelings. As I begin to heal I am trying to learn about the feelings in my body, what they mean, such as this pressure in my chest, is repressed sadness, or this feeling off as being upset. God, it's awful how I did not know what was going on before. I hope to continue my healing journey.
Gendlin was a great man and did so much to p the evolution of Therapy in many disciplines. Here is a taxonomy that I use and which clarifies how the felt sense arises and what it is, that I find very helpful in therapy and coaching.
(Emotional) feelings are our emotional brains best guess of our interpersonal status/dynamics in that moment. I feel betrayed and (that makes me) feel insignificant and worthless and alone.
These feelings then cause an emotional reaction, likely of sadness, which dumps a bunch of chemicals and starts a physiological process, which should lead to crying and ideally healing.
This last stage of Behavioral manifestation is where the emotions will often be blocked and bump up against resistance in the body. This stress of resistance is the world of the felt sense. Also when the feelings and emotions are very subtle and the course through the body with very little manifestation this is also the felt sense.
Something Dr Levine did not mention that I think is important, is that Gendlin explicitly noted the patient would pause, often close their eyes, and turn inward, to explore and experience the internal manifestation of these processes in their body. It's this - turning inwards and engaging the non-intellectual part of our self - that seems to be most predictive of people healing and recovering in therapy.
After years of working with focusing and the felt sense I created a variation of what Gendlin did called NEDERA which is specifically designed for emotional expression (and healing) of the felt sense.
Gene Gendlin was a philosopher but he became a main assistant to Carl Rogers and of course he did a lot of therapy and trained a lot of therapists and so this was a little slip of the tongue by Peter, not too long after he slipped, and said that this research identified the therapists who benefit when he actually met clients.
The rectification is needed. Eugene Gendlin was a psychotherapist in the Person-oriented and experiential psychotherapy before he created his own school of psychotherapy called Focusing-oriented psychotherapy..
Please rectify this information.
Dr Peter Levine is an estimed scholar and master psychotherapist and when his words are not accurate here, this is not ok for another eminent and ground-breaking philosopher and psychotherapist, Eugene Gendlin, that the whole body psychotherapy owes so much to.
Also Eugen Gendlin should be tagged as a creator of this term "felt sense", as the gave it a very precise definition, years of exploring and lots of processes.
Respectfully,
Agnieszka Klimek
The first 2 minutes of this video are dedicated to crediting EG with inventing the concept and term.
Tho EG may have given it a precise definition, it is nevertheless, subtle enuf to evade understanding for some. If Levine doesn't have it right, then that only makes my point for me.
There is way too much concern these days for proprietary rights on information. It's getting absurd.
perhaps Jennifer and Agnes. I sense its both it's important and not important . Peter and Eugene seem comfortable with ambiguity. I think "coined the term felt sense" understates Eugene's contribution. felt sense is by its nature something cognitively indeterminate and to be discovered through exploration...well that's my sense 😉
You can see discomfort in his body language when he articulates this false statement, he almost jumps on his chair. 1:49
Thank you for this post Dr. Peter Levine. As a Focuser and videographer of Dr. Gendlin's work, It is really nice to have your input about felt sense.
3:43 - shit i was scared to death like a ghost was speaking in my left year
I believe this is why it's so important to spend time in nature
Gene was certainly a therapist. I knew him personally. Trust me.
I meditate since 6 years on daily basis. In the early days my Transmission failed because I was intellectualising all my emotions, in thoughts. Then suddenly I could feel the importance of sensations, they just -for short moments- washed away my negative thoughts and intellectual strategies. I now am more and more capable of just letting be my thoughts, whatever they are 'good' 'bad' 'ugly' etc etc. Ok good thoughts are helpfull in staying in 'balance' in
. But more and more I strongly believe my sensations, crying, joy, compassion love music Dancing laughing humor are a special sense that actually 'overrule' my prefabricated thinking... I often feel like a child that's playing, what 'mum or dad' in my head is saying doesn't matter me at al ;)l😂
His eyes are super bright!
Feelings are pointers
I am really glad he is making the connection to body feelings and creativity… as I learn more I am discovering many professionals using art and movement to treat and apply somatic.
Makes perfect sense.
Most simply: as Gene taught it, what he called The felt sense was to distinguish it from the five organ based senses. So this is the sixth sense, and he loved to assign Plato‘s Meno and passages in Aristotle psychology, particularly the one where Aristotle wrote that we only know sugar is white and sweet because sight and taste occur to one inclusive encompassing sense.
Peter Levine - Waking the Tiger
Self referral rather than object or image referral.
If Eugine Genglin wasn’t a therapist how would he have gotten involved in the whole testing of therapeutic success, or created the therapeutic terminology , felt sense , and created a modality that was a spring board for Peter levine ‘s work? That was a huge blunder Peter.
it feels slightly pejorative when he says that about Gendlin...he was a researcher, initially with Carl Rogers, Philosopher, and such a humble human being.
@@katisingh I agree. You can see discomfort in his body language when he articulates this false statement, he almost jumps on his chair. 1:49 I've heard Levine was Gendlin's student at a certain point. Gendlin was both a philosopher and a therapist.
These comments confuse me;
Levine is wholly honoring this person and it seems you feel he hasn’t done it well enough for you. Strange distraction.
Wonderful advice. Where can we find his book?
Tessa Rosemary trauma and Memory
Healing the tiger both by Peter Levine
Also check out The body keeps the score
Gabor Mate’ when The Body says No
Alice Millers work
Focusing by Eugene T. Gendlin can be ordered from The International Focusing Institute (TIFI) www.focusing.org
I still don't get it.
I understand what emotions are. And I understand what bodily sensations are. But I don't think I can discern this 3rd category of "feelings". I've always just used that word synonymously with emotions.
What I understand "Felt sense" to mean is what my conscious awareness can identify as arising within - be that physical, mental, emotional, intuitive, whatever. It can be a perception or interpretation of something external to the self, but it is arising within the conscious awareness. If I have that wrong, oh well. Maybe make it easier to understand.
I think we have a language problem here. We don't necessarily have the same definitions of the words you're using to define felt sense, so I can't understand.
I could help you ‘get it’ in 2 minutes. I’ve been focusing for 42 years.
@@jayjones2821 hey, can you help me too? I also dont really get it
Please identify the interviewer and interviewee.
Carl Hall The interviewee is Peter Levine
Dr Bruce Lipton...Dr Joe Dipenza....Dr Gregg Braden
@@brettstrickland864 they all do
Braden is not a Dr
Avoid Joe Dispenza
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Fact Check: As a yoga teacher, I'm a little confused. How is this new or proprietary scientific wisdom, belonging to this person or any other? Ref the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali...it talks about awareness, compassion, aversion, mental and physical obstacles, blocks, pain, anguish, suffering, non-harm, how to move to access healing/rest/change, with awareness and breath, etc. "Felt sense" - as with any other aspect of awareness or sensitivity - is not a concept that was coined or invented by a white male academic or therapist. Patanjali is reputed to be an ancient Indian sage or scholar who documented teachings that had been orally transmitted and passed down (for/by generations of people who lacked the privilege of access to literacy education).
Anyone who has experienced professional dance training will possibly be able to relate too. I don't discredit the wisdom, but it's not theirs, nor is it original. It's a borrowing, or a referencing. Given Somatics claims to help relieve the trauma of loss, harm and oppression, my deeply felt sense is that it's important to acknowledge this lineage and heritage - and there are doubtless many, many others (qi-gong, tai chi, martial arts, dance...). So on Patanjali's behalf, and those whose teachings s/he wrote down, I'm a little nonplussed...
Maybe you should read a little bit about felt sense, it is a very specific concept, philosophically grounded, and surely not mentioned in this way in the yoga-sutras. Many thinkers refer to sth. like the felt sense, because it is a natural phenomenon, but more implicitly and never made a concept like Gendlin out of it.