Schuyler Changed Their Most Popular Bible 😲
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- In this video I'm taking a closer look at the changes Schuyler Bibles made to the redesigned ESV Quentel. ⬇️ Leave a comment below to let me know what you think or ask any questions you have about this Bible!
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(Moment of silence for the old layout)
I much prefer the older layout
I prefer 36 gsm because it’s so much easier to turn the page.
Like for old layout
This is directionally wrong for Schuyler! Young eyes, often with families, cannot afford Schuyler. We "seasoned" adults , who can afford Schuyler need bigger type and thicker paper that is easier to turn with reduced dexterity.
I’m 32 with 2 kids under 4 and have several premium bibles, kinda weird comment
If only they offered a choice! I hear ya, my eyes aren't what they used to be, especially in lower light. Anything lower than a size 9 I have to go outside to read it.
@@CatFlowers7720 Its kinda rediculous how nearly all the more expensive reference bible's typeface almost always caps out at 10 pts. For a Turquoise thats pretty good. For these modern "comfort" or milo fonts its not great. To me when I look at the Schuyler bibles text there is too much "noise". Its partially because of the grayish font and ghosting. They need to bold the 11pt font and return to 36gsm with the same type of paper only 36 gsm. Also this comfort print non-sense is just marketing hype. None of these "cool" modern fonts are more easy to read than the Turquoise, Concord, Longprimer, or Lockman '95 NASB LPUT fonts (theres other's out there too I just dont have access to them right now).
Im glad Steadfast has put some stuff in 14, and 11 pt font with 40 gsm paper. Now if they would just have RJ make those Bibles it be a slam dunk. The Korean printing is great but the "goatskin" feels like plastic. The RJ Handy sized bibles are gorgeous, just too small font for me.
I won't be around to laugh, but when you are my age, you'll change your tune on 11- vs 10-pt fonts. ;-)
I agree 😁
I’m 68…10pt is okay if I have to read it but 11 is a definite sweet spot for me.
I agree, too. I guess they do not want to sell to those with vision issues. Disappointing.
I'm not a fan of the drop caps. It's very jarring when reading through the text. I'm glad I got my Quentel before the change. If I had to guess, most people will love them and I'm the odd one out.
Nope, I’m with you. 😅
agreed, I don't mind the segregated chapter numbers, but the drop caps will be obnoxious.
I don’t like drop caps, either.
Cannot wait for mine to arrive.....tomorrow! Ordered the Sienna Calfskin version with the Apocrypha. As a Catholic, I am delighted that they are offering this version. I have the their RSV as well, love it, but am really looking forward to reading the ESV it is a translation I have yet to read.
Those look amazing! But I just looked at their website, and it's a wee bit out of the price range for a rural small church pastor! Great video, Tim!
I think changing to 10 point text leaves those of us who need or want an 11 point text without a Schuyler option. I'm guessing that going to smaller print will increase sales, even though they will loose sales to customers like me.
Depends on font and boldness.
For instance, compare a TBS large print Westminster, 11.8 font. Then compare the readability to a Cambridge Large Print KJV text which is 10 point.
The Cambridge is way easier to read due to the boldness of the font and also due to the shape of the font....turns out typesetters 100 years ago actually knew what they were doing.
So...maybe the 10 point bold is easier to read?? I have terrible eyes. But I don't have hundreds of dollars laying around to buy a Schuyler
I would suggest checking one out in person if its ever possible. Dropping from an 11 to 10 is not a major change and making it a heavier weight (more bold) is likely going to make it easier to read not harder even though the font size is being reduced.
@@jkdbuck7670 Thank you to you for your helpful reply. Like you, I don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on multiple expensive Bibles.
Thank you to all of you for your helpful replies.
When I finally can afford a premium Bible I think that’s what I’d want. Those fancy looking drop caps are nice I think.
Smaller font they could of made the paper gsm thicker
Got mine, loved it so much I bought another one!!!
So, my question is, and maybe I missed this information...is the old style Quentel still going to be available? It bothers me when publishers make changes to Bibles (or any other books) and then no longer offer the older editions. What about folks who don't like the new design and want to purchase the older design? I am too much of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality and for folks who don't like the changes and can't get additional copies of the previous editions, you're left in the dust. I personally don't like the changes to a smaller font and adding drop caps, but I also can't afford to purchase an older edition (even used since folks never sell at a discounted rate and/or hike up the price since it is OOP or something similar). So by the time I am able to afford one it'll be a design that I don't like, in leathers I don't want. Yeah, I know, first world problems, right? Oh, well.
The old version probably won't be available, but they haven't updated their wide margin esv's yet. Those have a text block more like the old one. It has 9.5 point typeface (smallest of the three), but no dropcaps.
Moses and I share a birthday so a larger typeface is welcome. I bought a 14 point NKJV just for reading at Sam's Club, and use the ESV Study Bible and a parallel as companions. So, larger type faces are almost a must-have for some age groups. Thanks for doing these reviews.
Glad I bought my NKJV Quentel before they updated it. Not a fan of the drop caps.
I just bought a second NKJV Quentel for that reason. My first isn’t worn out but it has a lot of notes in it. NKJV is my most read translation so a second one that I can read w/o notes is nice to have. Plus the desert camel and full yapp are gorgeous!
Yeah those drop caps are hideous.
Received my copy of the new ESV Quentel (w/ Apocrypha) in the mail today (6/6). To say I'm excited would be an understatement!!
Ordered still waiting and waiting and waiting lol I hope I will be happy with this!!
Can’t wait for your new unboxing video!
I have mine on order, waiting for it now. Thanks for the detailed heads up!
Hope you enjoy it!
@@timwildsmith I certainly notice the difference in the paper weight, as it's like the NLT that I bought recently and am reading now. It's so funny watching your videos because you notice such things as the little pips around chapter numbers changing, etc. Again, what I really love about Schuyler's Bibles is their practice of placing the references at the bottom instead of down the middle or sides of the text. I've spent a long lifetime dodging those. Plus, I despise 'self pronouncing' Bibles; perhaps preachers like you require that but who in the laity like me will it influence at all other than slow our reading and studying enjoyment? I have the Cambridge ESV Diadem with Apocrypha and plan to give it away, expensive as it was, once this new Schuyler gets here, precisely because of the reference placement, plus I find the Milo font is eminently legible for these aging eyes. Again, travel safe in the arms of Jesus and best wishes from the Houston area!
I wish the Humble Lamb would come out with an ESV and LSB. I have the Sherpherd and it so nice.
I thought Tim Nickels said they're coming out w/an NLT. Haven't heard a word about that since March I think.
@@barbs1298 yeah but I have a filament NLT.
The new one looks amazing!!! 🤩
looks amazing. always wanted a 9.5 or 10pt font layout and the drop caps look pretty. hopefully the bible is a perfect carry while at the same time being a good read size. thanks Tim!
I love the new one! The 10 point looks very nice.
Love those Bibles!❤❤❤
Great channel, and excellent video. I’m not a fan of drop-caps, and I honestly thought that they what they had was perfection in layout, color, and font.
Absolutely love these Bibles!
I love the drop caps with the ESV as it holds a KJVesque word style to it carrying the legacy in modern English with its traditional English, poetic style, etc.
I would like so much to have a positive comment…But the drop caps are so distracting. They make it so that I definitely could not preach from this Bible. And I think reading from it would even be a challenge for me. I have vision issues so this could just be me. The smaller type is not too bad but I prefer the 11pt. Thanks for the Video!!
Can you review some cheap bibles. It is overwhelming for those that are limited means. It seems we have no options.
Lots of reviews of cheaper bibles on my channel.
Hello Tim. I'm glad can include the Apocrypha. I like the 36 gsm. I like drop caps, why not bold it also. Already had cataract surgery & retinal damage appreciate larger font.
@Tim Wildsmith I challenge you to make a video about font size/style vs boldness when it comes to readability.
Go grab the following:
-TBS Large Print Westminster (11.8 font)
-Cambridge KJV Large Print Text (10 point font)
-Schuyler Quentel (11 point)
-ESV large print thinline reference (10.5 point)
-CSB Large Print Thinline (11 point font)
Bonus: Darby Bible, #35 as published by Kingston Trust, printed in the Netherlands.
**Font size isn't everything. Boldness and font type are major factors. I'll argue that of all the ones I listed above, the 10 point Cambridge Large Print KJV Text is the easiest to read.
I have a Tuscany FY ordered! Can’t wait!
Bold font is always better, especially the smaller the font is. However, I have a giant print ESV NT with Psalms published by Concordia in very bold print and I could probably read it without corrective lenses in my recliner with it lying on my lap if I wasn't so nearsighted.
One of my top favorites is the Schuyler Treveris ESV I bought when they first came out. Stunning Bible.
Full yapp. You never forget your first full yapp. Or your first Schuyler for that matter. First class for the finest book in the world.
i love the new one. Drop caps are so nice.
Definitely prefer my older 36 GSM Quentel. It is my preaching Bible and the larger chapter number is more important to me to help me know exactly where I am when I quickly look down.
Is it just me, or does the heavier paper seem whiter? What I saw in the video wasn't really bleed-through so much as a general darkness. My eyes are awful, and that's an important readability issue for me.
I may pick up one of these new style ones in the PSQ when they go on the website.
As a Lutheran, I’m glad they’re going to include an ESV with Apocrypha edition.
hey Tim, i just found out that the KJV Lion bible i got today is actually a PCE ( Pure Cambridge Edition ). that, to me, is Super Cool. of all the KJV bibles i have, i only have One other KJV bible that is a PCE. so, it's definitely a rare find.
I have been reading the RSV Quentel for my morning Bible reading this past year. I can read it just fine, but it is at the right size where I have to strain my eyes and/or bring my face much closer to the page. Just looking at it, I can't even read the verse numbers. I have to really struggle to read them.
Now, on my NAS95 in 11 point font, I have no difficulty reading it or the verse numbers. I'm not a fan of the smaller changes. I might have to check if I can still purchase another 11 point font NAS95 before they get rid of those, as well.
Edit: I compared my Allan in 10 point font to my 10 point font Schuyler. I can read my Allan much easier than my Schuyler, even though they both have the same size font. The numbers are also much larger in my Allan than in my Schuyler. My final conclusion: I like my 11 point font Schuyler and my 10 point font Allan.
Yes- they even still carry the NASB 95 with full yapp in the rare slate grey goatskin cover with red under silver art gilt too!🤩
@@mykstericeferg1258The slate grey with the red gilt is absolutely GORGEOUS!! I had hoped they would have made it available for the NASB PSQ so both my NASBs would match. The slate grey is such a rich & elegant combination. The closest to it is the Black Pearl which also just - WOW!!
I don’t know, honestly. My copy is the 28 gsm and it’s probably the smoothest reading experience that I have. I don’t think the boldness would offset the drop in font size, for my eyes anyway.
I can take or leave the drop caps, at least the elaborate ones. I tend to like them on the older transitions. However, the more modern ones on the NLT looked great and kind of made me want to get one!
Tim, I appreciate the Bible reviews. I have a question, do you work for Evangelical bible? Or are you employed of any of the other Bible publishers?
I’m looking forward to the new style … my copy is in transit as we speak.
Does the ESV PSQ remain the same, or will it follow along with the full size Quentel updates?
I don’t like the 28 gsm paper. Bring back the thicker paper.
Does it seem darker to you?
I like that they decreased the font size to 10 points. That’s the ideal sizenfor me considering the number of words per line. It’s simply a better reading experience. If you have bad eyesight, then get prescription glasses just like I did to aid in your reading.
I want to mention something that I did not see covered in the video. If you look closely, the in-text citations for the cross references have been removed. So you don't have all the letters in the text itself (ie callers) pointing down to the cross references. You only have callers for the footnotes. I emailed Schuyler and they confirmed this change in the new design. I think this is a big improvement because I find the callers distracting in the old design and it makes it hard to notice quotations.
I am so glad that I already have an ESV in 11pt Green goatskin regular yapp bible so won’t be buying another. Going to 10pt even a bit darker type makes no sense. A lot of people are going to be very upset by the type size change. I have all the Schuyler bibles I need in KJV, ESV, and NASB now so won’t be buying any more.
The added words per line, added line spacing and bolder text appears to be an improvement and will make it a better reader. The loss of the superscript within the text will make it harder to use the references (particularly in the ESV which has the second most cross references of any of the popular translations after the NASB).
I nominate myself to get the CSB Notetaking Bible for my youth pastor or myself if he doesn't want it. He typically uses the ESV most of the time so I don't know if he'll take it or not; but if I win it I'll be sure to put it to good use because I believe that notetakers are world changers and history makers!!!🕊🔥🙏❤😇
I like everything except the drop caps. Just not a fan of that layout.
Looks good. I prefer smaller print.
Ive got the 1st edition ESV quentel and its a chonky boy. I have the 1st edition of the NASB thintel and still thick but not bad. still a big bible though.
I reeeeally wanted to like the new design, but I have to say I prefer the older design (e.g. thicker gsm paper, bigger font size, the ornamental drop caps are a bit too "old world" gaudy for me and besides I thought that was for the Treveris). So if one has the means then I suppose it'd a good time to buy the old design before it sells out and starts showing up on eBay for a lot more! 😬
I personally like the old layout, but I’ll also stick to my ESV stridon…I love my single column VbV layout
I hate the drop cap on modern language bibles - It's fine on KJV/NKJV/RSV
I liked what they did with them in the NLT Quentel.
@@timwildsmith I'd like to see it done in a more 'editorial' manner; meaning not every chapter, but only when called for by major sections, or even only at the start of books. Restraint is preferred for flourishes. For example, should there really be a drop cap at Genesis 2? I think considerations are at least twofold: We shouldn't interrupt our best approximation of where the author intended no interruption, and a reader should probably only encounter one drop cap in a daily reading session. So, IMHO, much less than 1,189 drop caps: either 66 (or 70 with each book in the psalms getting one) or something in the 300-400 range.
I planned on buying one of these with the Apocrypha until it dropped. The cost is almost as much as a seminary tuition payment for me.
I’m looking forward to changes in the typography (and the resulting more words per line). I could have also gone with a more subtle drop cap with (perhaps) a more modern style. The really nice one will be the new MSQ! Two of those (RSV and ESV, both with Apocrypha) may replace a lot of my current library. 😂✌️🤓
But… is it easier to read? A smaller font that is more bold might be equivalent? Or…?
None of these changes bother me. Im excited to see the new Quentel. I currently have a PSQ NASB FY and love it. I may get the new one for my wife.
WOW
I was so excited to get a Quentel as it would meet my desire of a premium large print paragraph style reference Bible. I loved the cross references below the text as it gives the words room to breathe.
However the drop caps are a no go for me, they interrupt and interfere the reading experience.
I can tolerate the 10 point font if they didn’t add the drop caps.
Unfortunately I will need to renew my search - frustrated with this new redesign.
Any suggestions?
Thank you for your reviews!
Check out my reviews of Crossway's premium Bibles. And the ESV Topaz by Cambridge is great.
@@timwildsmith Thank you for the quick reply! I looked at the Topaz but I don’t want to go with a Verse by Verse. I will look more closely at Crossway.
I'm waiting for my Schuyler NLT in red.
I was expecting to like the new more, but what sold me on the old, was the larger chapter numbers and not the drop caps. I was seriously considering one with the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals, and probably still will, unless I can find something at least as nice, as I don't think the Cambridge Diadems are worth what they charge, except for their hard cover :) Pssst, all your hardcover are belong to me!
Will the new ESV Quentels have the paragraph "titles/descriptors" like the older one?
I don't think the section headings have changed. That's part of the translation text.
Does the smaller type size equate to more characters per line? I felt like the original had too short of line lengths for smooth reading.
Yes, it's been re-typeset and there are more words per line/page.
I like the new more 👍
The new Quentel I prefer but I can’t buy large bibles being a compact/personal size type of choice.
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@@timwildsmith Thank you
In the past there have been errors in cross-reference footnotes. Has Schuyler addressed these problems?
How will this affect (if at all) the KJV?
✝🙏
I mean the drop caps are nice but a Quentel is a Quentel. It might be a little lighter bc of the 10pt but I'll stick to my 11pt Quentels. I mean at the end of the day, for me its like how many Quentels can you have or come up with? Very nice tho & I'm sure they will have great sales.
I'm content with my Crossway Omega.
Not crazy about the drop caps. Like the option for the Apocrypha. Would prefer a 9.5 font with slightly wider margins.
Frankly though, I prefer inexpensive journaling Bibles that I can write in. And usually carry an inexpensive Bible to church and work.
Honestly, I prefer the old layout (granted, I also wish they were still 36gsm). Glad I have a marbled mahogany calf ESV.
I am with the others. 36 is easier to turn pages for me. The tiny verse numbers in the new are also a dealbreaker. I guess my budget is a bit happy at least.
Now that all Schuylers will have ornamental drop caps, this leaves nothing for the Canterbury KJV.😕
Might they have something even more decorative in store?
(also that RSV has absolutely No subheadings!😃)
Interesting seeing the black print NLT here that is different from the ones on Schuyler site having their traditional 2 color red and black print scheme…
I just wish Schuyler would adopt not only those modern NLT drop caps instead (the same ones are are used too much and are in need of refreshing), but different 2 color print schemes, ones that are dark yet compliment the art-guilt/leather colors, other than always “red”…
But at least their bolder print is easier on the eyes!😌
I wish they would bold the Canterbury's
I wish they weren’t so expensive!!
Will the book of Enoch be included in the Apocrypha?
No
I have an older 36 GSM ESV Quentel. Easily the best Bible I own. The paper is thicker, more opaque with a creamy tint that just puts it on another level. The older goatskin they used before is also more thick and premium. I think its a mistake for Schuyler to switch exclusively to 28 gsm. For me one of the things that makes a Bible a premium is the thicker paper.
$255.00 - Schuyler Quentel ESV, Full Yapp Desert Camel Calfskin Bible
Too bad they still don’t offer the Quentel ESV 11point font with creeds and confessions
I actually like the omega more. I just find it more readable.
I can't afford a Schuyler, so it doesn't really matter to me. :(
The original layout was perfect. The new layout… marketing strategy.
Ahhh, Jazz Monk... it's been too long.
New drop caps 🗑️🤮 it’s a little distracting.
I almost hit Buy on the pre orders.. Thanks Tim.
I'd rather have heavier paper.
The KJV Canterbury has terrible ghosting , maybe ESV is better.
I like it, but I'd rather have a wide margin treveris on thicker paper so I'm not the audience for this. 🤷♂
Wings?! I think they're branches.
Frustrating that they’re going to change the pagination. I bought a quentel as a long term journey, in which I planned to eventually save and buy a PSQ and Wide Margin. One of the biggest attractions to this was the fact that all three would have the same pagination, and going from one to another would feel seamless. That dream is gone.
You can easily find those Bibles in FB groups like The Bible Exchange.
Thanks Tim, will check it out
Sorry I do not care for the new chapter numbers so small. I like the older 11 pt better.
Meh