Breaking Down TF2's Most Unique Map

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
  • Out of all the maps Valve has accepted into TF2, Helltrain is by far the most unique one. In this video, I explain how the map works by showcasing some of its assets and logic in the Hammer Editor.
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Komentáře • 168

  • @Batton
    @Batton Před rokem +569

    I'm the 3D artist behind the animation of the rollercoaster... Thanks for triggering my ptsd again, it was a tedious process 😅

  • @TinyEngi
    @TinyEngi Před rokem +346

    Its really interesting how mappers make cool maps with old tools.

  • @rojapokemona
    @rojapokemona Před rokem +140

    This is the best map. It's Halloween, has trains, has that liminal space feeling and I would love to live in the understairs room if it was real.
    Also one time I was just standing at the front of the train, admiring how big the world feels, and a guy from the other team just joined me. We spent next hour or so exploring each room and trying to fly around invisible walls. Never said a word in chat to each other. May this game never die

  • @Duck9K
    @Duck9K Před rokem +112

    correction for 6:36:
    trigger_catapult was actually added to the game around the same time as passtime, and those maps are officially available under alternate gamemodes, sooooo helltrain isn't the only one with them.

  • @kevkevplays5662
    @kevkevplays5662 Před rokem +213

    Instead of moving the map, HE MOVES THE WORLD

  • @maxis_scott_engie_maximov_jr

    The rollercoaster section is hands down the *_best_* part of all the TF2 maps ever created, I've never been to rollercoasters in real life but man this one is just as breathtaking and when it happens, sorry, I'm stopping the fight to experience it, way too cool to pass up on

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +15

      I hope you get to ride one one day. It's something you don't want to miss out on!

  • @neondead2.0.15
    @neondead2.0.15 Před rokem +96

    And the best part is this map like Convoy from UT2004. We nee more maps like this.

    • @GenuinelyUniqueGents
      @GenuinelyUniqueGents Před rokem +11

      CTF_Convoy, is a community map that exists but is barely played anymore... It was popular around the 2010s to 2015s maybe. At least thats when I played it. Very cool to see a Halloween version of it.

    • @neondead2.0.15
      @neondead2.0.15 Před rokem +5

      @@GenuinelyUniqueGents Yes but it had flaves that makes CTF version of it imposible to play. For my tastes it needs to be CP (Attack/defence) style of map like in UT2004 so we can relive this old and fun mission. A lot of UT2004 mision maps would be perfect as CP (A/D) maps. Even Zombie Escape verison is good since you still have reasons to move forward. (I still remember how Convoy and Maco Reactor was my Favourite ZE maps in CSS and even in other games except CSGO because of spawn mechanic wich spawns you instead of changing your team)

    • @uis246
      @uis246 Před 10 měsíci

      I think there was similar map back in UT99

  • @MeatwadMeatwad
    @MeatwadMeatwad Před rokem +40

    6:37 You forgot about the passtime maps. They have jump boosts all over them

    • @crossbo5345
      @crossbo5345 Před 4 měsíci

      Is that really even a gamemode?

  • @Coolyo420
    @Coolyo420 Před rokem +36

    this and Crasher were SO GOOD!

  • @theunchosendude5446
    @theunchosendude5446 Před rokem +21

    I love this map purely because it reminds me of ctf_convoy. Back in the day I would actually see convoy servers with people on them, but nowadays it just seems any server running the map is completely dead. Damn shame.

  • @Techhunter_Talon
    @Techhunter_Talon Před rokem +7

    The skybox rotating reminds me of koth_wubwubwub. When the control point is capped for the first time, a sequence is triggered where the skybox gets rotated 90 degrees and then moves away from the map to create the illusion that the map is launching off into space.

  • @orangy57
    @orangy57 Před rokem +7

    the first time i played this map last year everyone stopped fighting at the rollercoaster part just to watch it go. I knew it was all a 3d skybox but looking at the insane amount of tedious map logic that went into making everything work and look convincing makes me appreciate it so much more

  • @coachacola3755
    @coachacola3755 Před rokem +37

    What kind of exposed me to the skybox trick with hammer was definitely the ctf_convoy map.
    It’s kind of an illusion breaker as when your mind breaks down the logistics of the map, all the immersion is completely broken and you start maps differently.
    I hugely recommend people to learn the basics of Hammer, it’ll destroy your reality.

  • @munchkin_mania
    @munchkin_mania Před rokem +45

    The coolest part of the map has to be the skybox

  • @LuigIan2000
    @LuigIan2000 Před rokem +6

    Man… Im glad this map finally made it into the game, but this shit is so cool an expertly put together, I almost get the feeling that Valve doesn’t deserve it. Like after the way we’ve been treated, this map feels too good for them.

  • @Peastable
    @Peastable Před rokem +6

    Randomly found this vid while just searching for hammer videos. Didn’t realize it was so new. This is an excellent breakdown and really makes this map even more impressive.

  • @Thornskade
    @Thornskade Před rokem +7

    What's funny is that this is essentially the Halloween version of ctf_convoy, which was a redesign of an Unreal Tournament map already

  • @slightlyistorical1776
    @slightlyistorical1776 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I genuinely love the concepts of these sorts of dual train racing maps. One just like this was made years way back for community servers and can be played on still today

  • @Pyromaniax
    @Pyromaniax Před rokem +6

    6:36 PASS time maps also have jump pads

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +2

      I forgot about passtime lol. I was just thinking about the main game modes modes, not the specialty ones

    • @MajorKlods
      @MajorKlods Před rokem

      Koth_bagel/cauldron has technically also a jumppad in the houses between the point and spawn if you want to be nitpicky 😅
      But yeah, I'm fairly certain func_catapult was ported from Portal 2 to TF2 because of Passtime.

  • @zerro3172
    @zerro3172 Před rokem +30

    this should be a series

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +3

      What else do you wanna see?

    • @zerro3172
      @zerro3172 Před rokem +9

      @@LEDs I dunno crasher feels like a no brainer , pd maps , pass time or maybe probed here's a title for vid ''The most forgottten map in tf2 '' or something idk . honestly I don't think it matters in the end as people would like any map

    • @xaver2251
      @xaver2251 Před rokem

      Maybe also Snowplow? Certainly another candidate for most forgotten map in TF2.
      The technical breakdown done in this video was very cool and I'd love to see more like it.

    • @zerro3172
      @zerro3172 Před rokem

      @@xaver2251 all of maps from that section would work well for a vid

    • @ruzgar1372
      @ruzgar1372 Před rokem

      @@LEDs Cauldron could be great.

  • @C.A._Old
    @C.A._Old Před rokem +4

    *That Train design is insade. Thats why i loved like this style creators.*

  • @TwiliPaladin
    @TwiliPaladin Před 5 měsíci +2

    There's a reason this has been my favorite TF2 map since it was put into rotation in Samwiz1's server.

  • @AllLoudontheWeirdestFront
    @AllLoudontheWeirdestFront Před měsícem +2

    Helltrain has to be one of my favorite halloween maps in tf2. Props to the developers of the map.

  • @LiamMoffitt
    @LiamMoffitt Před rokem +3

    Very very epic video that explains a ton of stuff for others! Small correction tho cuz I’m an asshole: trigger_catapult is used in every pastime map, and also koth_bagel_event for the air vents!

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem

      Good observation, I didn't think about those vents

  • @KimFareseed
    @KimFareseed Před rokem +3

    7:04
    Did not know about this one. Don't think I have ever seen the map go to a tie outsude of Casual's stalemate.

  • @Iron_Soil
    @Iron_Soil Před rokem +26

    0:04 i hate that we cant have nice looking open maps becuse of sniper
    If you saw shounic experiment you can easly see we dont need sniper in the game and he activelly makes map making worse

  • @asteroidrules
    @asteroidrules Před rokem +8

    The movement tricks to create a map which appears to be a giant vehicle is heavily reminiscent of Convoy. That was an old custom CTF map which used similar tricks to create the same illusion, although it was quite a bit more simple.

  • @maazmasood5305
    @maazmasood5305 Před rokem +11

    Doesn't PASS Time also have launch pads? Aren't they also considered Official maps?
    Loved the focus on this map tho.

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +2

      I guess so

  • @Jarethenator
    @Jarethenator Před 10 měsíci +1

    I'd never actually experienced a draw before, so I didn't even know about that minigame. Very cool detail!

  • @Kerluck
    @Kerluck Před rokem +3

    Thanks for the breakdown. Always love learning further about the hammer editor.

  • @BLACKout_TF2
    @BLACKout_TF2 Před rokem +4

    i loved this map so much. 2022 was my first time playing during Halloween and i loved sitting in the front of the train and just seeing the beautiful show many miss when just playing on helltrain c:

  • @user-lj9dy2he4i
    @user-lj9dy2he4i Před rokem +3

    6:36
    Well, akshuauly, every official PASS time map has them, and they've been in the game for a while now
    ...but, yeah, I **can** understand why you'd forget/not know about it

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +1

      Yeah I’m sorry for leaving out passtime

  • @us3r158
    @us3r158 Před rokem +3

    The passtime map brickyard has jump pads but thats about it, speaking of which could we see one on brickyard

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem

      who plays passtime?

  • @Awesomeness-iz3dh
    @Awesomeness-iz3dh Před rokem +3

    6:38 PASS Time maps all have boost ramps like these.

  • @CopyZero
    @CopyZero Před měsícem +1

    I honestly thought right from the start the jump/boost pads used the trigger_catapult. While I don't use Hammer at all, I knew what the trigger was thanks to Portal 2 speedrunning. (yes i'm referring to things like the super reportal in Conversion Intro)

  • @nickbrick20
    @nickbrick20 Před rokem +4

    This feels like a test map for new features that they put together for an amazing map

  • @doomstuck1241
    @doomstuck1241 Před rokem +1

    I had gotten a bit into hammer editing but was, and still am kind of a noob to it. I remember on Halloween when I first played this map and was absolutely blown away, Id just gather at the front of the train with some of the enemy team and just watch the skybox go by while rancho relaxing.

  • @chuck_muckle
    @chuck_muckle Před rokem +38

    Weapon reskins in TF2 have always been a strange case to me

  • @Jennacide.
    @Jennacide. Před rokem +2

    I was hoping to get a map that utilizes the sky box swapper this recent update, like a random weather effect or time of day per map load

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem

      I’m sure we’ll see something down the road

  • @heavenandhello6629
    @heavenandhello6629 Před rokem +5

    I always WONDERED what this map would look like in hammer. Thanks for showing the hammer footage of the map!

  • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
    @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Před rokem +1

    6:36 You forgot that passtime maps have jump pads, and technically bagel/couldron has it too

  • @pinnacleofcomedy6306
    @pinnacleofcomedy6306 Před rokem +1

    honestly i didn't even know there was a separate area for when a draw happens because i've never had a draw happen before

  • @AmaroqStarwind
    @AmaroqStarwind Před 10 měsíci +1

    Now there needs to be a non-euclidean map with 90's arena shooter music.

  • @SpaghettiScanner
    @SpaghettiScanner Před rokem +3

    It’s not an LED video without the appearance of rock_005

  • @AcidTehObjectThingyIsBack

    Helltrain is underrated af

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +1

      It took a very long time to get accepted into the game, too

  • @pokseri9322
    @pokseri9322 Před rokem +4

    Welcome to 1400. Earth is the middle of universe

  • @cogtheprotogen6671
    @cogtheprotogen6671 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This reminds me of ctf_convoy, which is one of my favourite maps

  • @tyronus4
    @tyronus4 Před rokem +2

    Such a shame I couldn't play this map, my game kept crashing every time I tried to load it last Halloween. Hoping it works this year!

  • @DaRealBruner
    @DaRealBruner Před 10 měsíci +1

    Would've been cool if BLU's train was some sort of diesel or electric locomotive, to better signify the industrial atmosphere of BLU.

  • @chasesully-mz3sg
    @chasesully-mz3sg Před rokem +3

    These videos are awesome, maybe could u do a video on yukon its my favourite cp map

  • @fedethegreat88
    @fedethegreat88 Před rokem +3

    1:01 Please tell me it's irony I watched too many Twitter videos

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +1

      Sorry, I forgot to add that the earth is also flat

  • @jecksfoxofficial
    @jecksfoxofficial Před 4 měsíci +2

    My favorite halloween map EVER

  • @nogusek5836
    @nogusek5836 Před rokem +2

    "its the only map to have jumppads
    Passtime:

  • @un1d
    @un1d Před rokem +1

    6:35 Except Pass time maps, of course.

  • @Spartykins
    @Spartykins Před rokem +1

    I just want the sky_camera to be movable aaaa

  • @BudderPigGaming
    @BudderPigGaming Před rokem +2

    Hey boost pads are in passtime which is very official

  • @ethosaur
    @ethosaur Před rokem +3

    Wow, this is seriously an impressive map

  • @TheAmazingHerosquad
    @TheAmazingHerosquad Před rokem +1

    Helltrain was LONG overdue to be added

  • @bbbeanman
    @bbbeanman Před rokem +2

    helltrain was amazing

  • @caljukes
    @caljukes Před rokem +5

    but there are jump pads in passtime?

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +3

      I completely forgot passtime even existed lol

  • @рандомный_нн
    @рандомный_нн Před 6 měsíci

    Once i was A-posing on this map as pyro. Then the random curse appeared and all people become really tall and 3rd person camera was on. It looked so cursed and funny on A-posing pyro 😭😭😭

  • @BlueCollaredK9
    @BlueCollaredK9 Před rokem +1

    I mostly just like helltrain cus i like trains. But all this other stuff is cool too i guess

  • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
    @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Před rokem +1

    imagine how much playtesting that took

  • @dancingtriangle2814
    @dancingtriangle2814 Před rokem +1

    6:35
    Kid named pass time

  • @Ben_diez
    @Ben_diez Před 10 měsíci

    this map is crazy, blew my mind every time i play it

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Same

  • @ruzgar1372
    @ruzgar1372 Před rokem +2

    how did you get a hold of the custom models and textures from the decompiled version of the map? When I decompile it and log into hammer there's a bunch of missing textures and props.

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +1

      When decompiling with bspsrc, check "extract embedded files" and then drag those into your tf/custom folder under another folder named "helltrain_assets" or whatever else

    • @ruzgar1372
      @ruzgar1372 Před rokem

      @@LEDs works for me, thanks 👍

  • @phaseshift943
    @phaseshift943 Před rokem +1

    My fav. Halloween map in 2022!! ♥ reminds me of ctf_convoy which I played halfa decade ago

  • @Saiga12308
    @Saiga12308 Před 2 měsíci

    Reminds me of a map in unreal tournament 2004 that's got a similar concept

  • @TinyDeskEngineer
    @TinyDeskEngineer Před 4 měsíci

    "The only official map to contain jump pads"
    pass_brickyard, pass_district, and pass_timbertown all have some.

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před 4 měsíci

      I don't consider passtime maps as part of the main map pool

  • @Ian-nl9yd
    @Ian-nl9yd Před rokem +1

    I'd love to see cp_convoy make it into casual!

  • @theghosttm8245
    @theghosttm8245 Před rokem +1

    Is it wrong if I hope the normal version is eventually added to Casual ?

  • @robertarvidsson04
    @robertarvidsson04 Před 10 měsíci

    First map I bought a stamp for, love it

  • @taintedazazel7238
    @taintedazazel7238 Před rokem +3

    Wait! Helltrain also had a draw minigame?

  • @evantgse
    @evantgse Před 11 měsíci +1

    This is my favorite map

  • @BrightPage174
    @BrightPage174 Před rokem

    Closer and closer we inch towards having an official version of Convoy. Honestly though this is so much cooler I had no idea this was in the game

    • @CAMSLAYER13
      @CAMSLAYER13 Před rokem

      Everyone stops fighting to watch the trains do the loop de loop bit. Its a good time.

  • @sourcedasher
    @sourcedasher Před 11 měsíci +1

    6:35 Doesn't Pass Time have those too?

  • @MrCatTheII
    @MrCatTheII Před rokem +1

    I was thinking that this video will be about Hydro. Helltrain is just skial map

  • @bliponthe
    @bliponthe Před rokem +1

    Finally some recognition for cp_cloak

  • @Ban-zx9se
    @Ban-zx9se Před rokem +1

    This map is amazing visually, which is what makes it so disappointing that it's obviously so designed for simple goofy fuckery. It can very easily become a slog to try and actually play seriously and win to complete contracte given how its so large and convoluted, the fact that the only connector can be held down by a single sniper, and how extremely easy it is to spawncamp. :\

  • @Gelgoog
    @Gelgoog Před rokem

    This is just CTF_Convoy with a fancy skybox

  • @dominikkorbely5809
    @dominikkorbely5809 Před 10 měsíci +1

    how did they accept something this cool

  • @greenlemon9155
    @greenlemon9155 Před rokem +1

    Its just ctf_convoy but spooky

  • @Dr_Dan_
    @Dr_Dan_ Před rokem +1

    6:35 isnt brick yard has those?

  • @cellophanezebra4663
    @cellophanezebra4663 Před rokem

    Hands down my favorite map in the game, spent hours on it

  • @gaminggladiator06
    @gaminggladiator06 Před rokem +1

    I just can’t believe valve has these really cool maps made by the community, and yet they don’t have a mode to play them year-round, outside of community servers, which’ll still be pretty picky and not play the one map you do wanna play. They have cool maps and unique modes, and only let them play for 1 seasonal event of the whole year.
    Course, that would also mean that those low quality season maps will return too, and i don’t think people would want whatville back any time soon.

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +1

      This point really worries me about the summer maps. What if Valve adds a bunch of bad maps that we're stuck with year-round?

  • @mysteriousjess.
    @mysteriousjess. Před rokem

    these people really push the source engine to the limit, it's incredible

  • @CoyoteMao
    @CoyoteMao Před 6 měsíci

    It's, frankly, a crime that this map can only be played one month of the year.

  • @ScoutButAwesome
    @ScoutButAwesome Před rokem +1

    That’s so awesome

  • @maatoangeleri2913
    @maatoangeleri2913 Před rokem

    Doesn't Brickyard also have jump/booster pads?

  • @minneelyyyy
    @minneelyyyy Před rokem

    this wouldve been so much easier if the mappers had vscript at the time

  • @cFrogjar
    @cFrogjar Před rokem +2

    this is in the game??? ive never seen this and i played last halloween?? do we just hate fun in OCE

  • @Pomodorosan
    @Pomodorosan Před rokem +1

    5:00 which is 5:02 which is 5:05 which is 😵

  • @coachacola3755
    @coachacola3755 Před 11 měsíci

    Convoy walked so Hell Train could run

  • @Steamuch
    @Steamuch Před rokem +1

    Convoy is canon

  • @ouroya
    @ouroya Před rokem

    are the bounce pads in passtime maps different than the boosts in boostwater or helltrain?

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +1

      I haven’t looked at them. I wasn’t thinking about pass time when I made this video

  • @ZaccoOfficial
    @ZaccoOfficial Před 6 měsíci

    I'm sad that I never got to play on this map

  • @CatBucket1234
    @CatBucket1234 Před 11 měsíci +1

    best map ever

  • @michadomagaa7841
    @michadomagaa7841 Před 10 dny

    Mmmm yes the sun orbits around us yesss.

  • @anonymousaccordionist3326

    Your complaint with Frostwatch is that it's too ugly? Not that it's a total piece of hot garbage throughout, but that it's too ugly?

    • @LEDs
      @LEDs  Před rokem +1

      I didn't want to spend more than a couple of seconds on each of those maps since that's not what this video is about, but I agree

  • @0Blueaura
    @0Blueaura Před 3 měsíci +1

    ghost train :)