Hehe, from what I've heard, the R&D lab of Tesla is experimenting with technologies my company makes. They've got my number and my profile on LinkedIn is pretty complete so anyone interested can reach me.
Yo, you have no idea how lucky I feel that I found your video. I was getting my ears a little stuffy while driving my YM on the freeway. I thought it had to do w altitude because I am a little up in the mountains and usually I drive down to LA. It wasn’t unbearable but it was there. The top left rubber “stopper” wasn’t making full contact, and the right one was not making a strong contact either. Did the envelope test on all of them after adjustments. All tight now. We will see how it turns out next time I drive to LA. I think it’ll take care of the issue. It just makes sense, my biochem professor used to say. Thank you. Will keep watching for more tips.
YES!!!! I have a Model Y and I can hear this thing! It’s it felt like this ear pressure and for some reason no one else can hear or feel it, it was bothering me so much. I’ll try this tomorrow for sure. You are the only person that address this, even people in Tesla, say its wind noise
I took a ride in a Model 3 and the wind buffeting is completely absent. However, Model 3 has a trunk right up against the back seat, so any motion of the trunk lid will not "pump" air into the cabin the way it does with a SUV / Hatchback. So far I haven't ridden in a Model Y, and I hoped that it would not be as bad -- especially with the experience Tesla now has in making cars. For sure the newer Model S and Model X are better in this regard, but I believe the air suspension has a lot to do with the improvement.
I just did a test drive with a model y and myself and mother in law who was in the front seat both felt this and we both had headaches after riding for 5 mins on inside road. The road was pretty rough and bumpy so we felt everything, my wife who was in the back seat didn't feel it. I was able to take the loaner home and adjust the bumper but still feel it. It did alleviate it a bit though
@@WilliamBennerJr i have the same issue on my model Y picked upon Mar 2021. my wife and I hear that noise , after they adjust the panel gap on the back of the trunk . it seems better but it still hear. the guy from mobile service doesn't heard that. i will try this and see what happen. thanks William
This is so great! I have experienced this on 3 separate Model Y test drives. No one believed me at Tesla of the issue occurring. I almost cancelled my order until I saw this. Thank you so much for such a great explanation and fix!!!!
Thanks for the kudos! I'm glad my video *explained* what is happening, but I'm not sure there is a real solution per se. Adjusting the rubber bumpers definitely helps, and on the newer Model S and X, the air suspension also helps. But I think all hatchbacks essentially suffer from this condition, to one extent or another...
Same with me! I test drove two Model Y's and I'm almost certain this was happening. If you see this Ryan - please let me know if you got a car in the end and solved it.
I test drove the 2024 Model 3 and Model Y and I noticed this in the Model Y. People on the forum had no idea what I was talking about but this is it. This is why I was having a hard time picking the more practical Model Y.
In my case, a model Y, the noise was different, rattling, but I managed to solve it with the same technique as the root cause is the same but with metallic contact. Congratulations on the factual, logical and accurate presentation!
Thanks so much for this video. I thought I was going crazy with the oscillating pressure I was feeling on my ears. This makes perfect sense. Thanks again!
You are a godsend. This was driving me nuts. My ‘21 Model S had no problem and when I got the ‘23 Model S, I noticed it right away. Everyone was looking at me like I’m an idiot. So hard to diagnose because not everyone feels it. My wife thought I was losing my mind. Thank you very much for your informative video
Wow.. I am so glad you were actually able describe the problem and articulate is so well and put it in words. I thought i was going crazy when trying to explain what I was going through when experiencing this problem.
Great job of describing such a bad problem that buffeting can be in a car in your CZcams video. We are experiencing this exact, terrible buffeting air noise pressurizing the closed cabin on a brand new 2019 Porsche Panamera (5 door hatchback).
Sorry to hear about the problem with the Porsche. Please be sure to share your experience with the service department, if they are able to make adjustments to minimize the problems.
Man. Thanks so much for this. Just got a MY and we noticed it immediately. This helped a lot. Still not 100% gone but I think we can now live with the car.
Thanks for doing this.. Yes I definitely feel the "pressure wave" or the "sonic boom" that you mention.. It gave me bad headaches while taking longer trips and I could not figure out why I was feeling this makes perfect sense now. Will try this technique out thanks !
Hi William, Thank you so much for this video. Hard to find information on this ear buffeting phenomenon. I am experiencing this in my 2023 BMW iX. Other people riding in the car have not felt the discomfort. Unfortunately, I seem to be sensitive to it. I really like the automobile, but the ear issue is a constant irritant. I have let me dealership know of the problem and they have told me they are investigating it, but have not had any other reports of the issue. I have passed your video on to them to help them understand the issue better and give me some corroboration. Once again, thank you for taking the time to create and post this video.
Oh man THANK YOU ! Wow my 160k miles Tesla S was getting worst. At first I thought I need a new Tesla as wind noise and the brain pressure with my commutes is just too much. THANK YOU !
This is a fantastic video. I got my refreshed model S 2022 a couple months back and it was very quiet; unfortunately, after some panel gaps adjustment I got a gigantic "buffeting" noise/pressure on my ear on every drive. I tried explaining it to the tesla service center and they all looked at me like I'm an idiot. After watching your video, it is indeed the tesla center did adjust the contact points to "mask" the panel gap and caused the problem. Amazing investigation you did there, thank you so much.
I hear you man. TSC has been beyond frustrating. I had 14line items and they resolved 0 they either say cannot duplicate (even with video) or along the lines of operating as designed between the RDU clunk they won’t fix, FDU whine, booming interior, right drift. I HATE drying my 2015 S 85D
I was loaned a P85D once. Loved the acceleration, but the buffeting was pretty bad. That particular one didn't have air suspension. I think that makes a big difference.
Same exact year and car that I own and having the same issues. Can't wait to adjust them later today and hopefully get rid of the horrible rumble/buffeting sound. It's the only thing preventing the car from being damn near perfect.
I’ve had a 2021 Nissan Armada for couple months, it’s a huge SUV. One month ago the mechanic in the service center decided to mess with the bumper rubbers to reduce the rattling of the hatch door as he claimed and since then every time I drive I feel the immense pressure in my ears and sometime severe headache if I drive long. My wife and kid in the back seat don’t feel anything but when she sits next to me in the passenger seat she feels it. I knew the problem is there with those rubbers and I tried to adjust them back and forth but without any success I guess I’m so desperate that I’m just uncontrollably screwing the threads around in order to fix it. Of course Nissan Service Center didn’t notice anything wrong with the car and claimed all is fine, so I’m really happy I found your video even though it’s completely a different car brand but at least that proves I’m not crazy 😅. Will try adjusting those rubbers again but this time more calmly and hopefully I can succeed in eliminating the pressure as I can’t live with this car in this condition
I also noticed in my Model X that the pressure feeling is not at all noticeable in the middle seats where guests sit. I guess it makes sense -- something like "Pressure Zone" phenomenon, like how a PZM Microphone works. The max pressure zone is in the front.
Man this video is gold!!! I had to argue with Tesla service center manager twice for the same thing and their answer was - well these gaps are in spec’s. But I still could feel the vibration and noise you describe. Obviously they don’t know about this issue and I’m going to use this video for them to understand what is going on. Thanks for sharing!
Yes, actually one of the service guys at the Tesla Service Center in Orlando has his customers watch this video. Adjusting the bumpers does help some, but I think sensitive people will still find the hatchback objectionable. This appears to be the case with all hatchbacks, including Model Y, Porsche, and many others.
@@WilliamBennerJr Interesting video, thanks for sharing. Just wanted to note that we experienced this resonant buffeting+pressure in four different Model Y Long Range samples recenty (I was test-driving and renting, to see if interested in the model) and these symptoms were so bad I ended up with headaches and a passenger's vertigo was triggered. We haven't experienced this in any of our other hatchbacks going back decades and from what I've read it may also relate to body construction causing resonance issues and not just hatchback adjustments. Indeed, from my experiences the symptoms occurred after 40MPH and did not happen at highway speeds, it was only in a specific window of speed and maybe surface where it happened, but it was very uncomfortable.
Fantastic explanation. I did the envelope test on my MY and got some reduction then I wondered if another test could demonstrate how good the seal is… so I grabbed some sidewalk chalk and applied to the stopper and then closed hatch to see the imprint. Noticed quickly which ones weren’t making a good seal. After adjusting using chalk the improvement is now noticeable. Thank you!
Before getting my MS I was like oh cmon, I never heard about it, you probably over reacting... After an hour in my new to me MS all I can say is thank you :) It does bother me and now Im going to fix it
feel lucky come by and see this video, i always thing the reason of the rubber being there are for holding the trunk instead of guiding the trunk and not holding it as you show us.
You hit it right on the nail head with this one. I went to test drive MY twice, and both times, i had this unexplainable boom sound and ear pressure that literally gave me headaches both times. I drove less than 20 miles. When I explained it to the tesla guys, they had no idea what the heck I was talking about. When I test drove M3P, no such sound, Nada! I really wanted to pick Model Y, but it looks like this issue just made my decision for me. Thanks very much for producing such an informative video.
OMG... Totally remember that with a test drive of the Model S. Luckily I didn't have the issue with the Model 3 I bought (over 2 years of ownership now).
Yes, Model 3 for sure won't have this problem because it has a real "trunk". Any motion and associated air modulation of the rear hatch will be captured by the back seat and not transmitted into the cabin.
Thanks. I don't have a buffeting noise, but at higher speeds, I get what I perceive as a "strange" wind noise on the upper right (I have a sliding roof), however, if I move my head in that direction, I am unable to localise the source of the wind noise. Tesla service center (who came along on a test ride) said there was nothing unusual; still: a so-called "premium" car should not have that sort of "erratic" wind noise above ca 100 km/h. But I'll try your hatch adjustment test..
I had trouble finding your video. I will certainly give this a shot for my Model S. I would describe my issue as low frequency road noise. It sounds like a very deep subwoofer is reacting to every little bump and crack in the road. I used a sound meter and was getting readings between 55 and 65 dB. driving my wife's CRV over the same section of road I got readings between 40 and 50 dB.
Yep, I know what you mean. I heard one person piling a bunch of pillows between the top of the rear seats and head liner, to effectively cut-off the hatch -- thus forming a conventional auto with a trunk. I never tried it but they said it worked well. It might be a good experiment to see if the noise you're hearing is coming from the hatch (as I suspect it is). If so, then do what you can to "immobilize" the hatch back, including making the adjustments I detailed.
Ugh this is the worst, I know exactly what you mean as I am sensitive to noise (tinnitus). I think the rear sub floor void is acting as a drum and resonating on expansion joints, ik currently looking into it myself as I already added sound deadening in the trunk its bad. I have a model 3 btw
When I first got my X, I also though it might be something related to the floor, but now I don't think so. Could be wrong... I considered making what's called a "Tuned mass damper" for it and putting it in the middle, just under the center console, but I just never got around to it. I really think a tuned mass damper would help. In any event, the newer Model S and X seem much better, and I think the air suspension makes a big difference too.
Wow, thank you so much William! This pressure sensation has been bothering me since I upgraded from a Model 3 to Model Y months ago, and I was I initially unable to find any information on it. I've adjusted my stoppers using the technique you suggest and it seems much better! Is there anything you'd like to ask those of us who have been helped by your video to do? A charity to donate to perhaps?
adding sound proofing to the inside of the trunk well help as adding some wight to the steel helps as well . turning the plugs out to much can make a water leak . it can all so be coming form the lower bumper if all the tabs are not in all the way as it playing as a air scope and adds air pis inside the space of the bumper and car body its self . if i remaber right there is a inside body vent back there and as it moves all so makes the buffeting inside the car . if this is so the duffeting well change on other kinds of road ways and speeds .
Sure, turning the plugs out too far is a bad idea, but when they get too far out, the trunk won't even close, and body panel gaps become noticeably large, so there is a good amount of "negative feedback" to prevent turning them out too far. And yes, there is most definitely a vent in the rear, but I'm not sure it is accessible or adjustable. There are certainly people who have dramatically reduced the buffeting by adjusting the bumpers. That helps for most (but not all) people...
Thanks for this thoughtful research and making it easy to understand for Tesla buyers. Someone bring issue this to @tesla @@Elon Musk’s attention. This isn’t an isolated case to dew buyers, there are thousands if not tens of thousands of examples. We’re not saying we bought lemons we just need our cars do be comfortable
My model 3 was buffeting but what fot rid of it is spraying the window seals with cleaner and supplementing the window seals with more foam to help it seal the window better and also the o ring on top of the glass roof (outisde) all helped a lot
Yes, the Model 3 is not susceptible to this because it's a trunk, not a hatch back. I haven't ridden in a Model Y yet, and I was hoping that the Model Y would not have that problem.
Thank you so much. Mine is better after that but still feels like inside a drum. I also am missing the rear parcel shelf that I heard will help reduce the "inside drum noise" I can even kit the back seat back and make a similar noise. what a tin like hollow like thin cheap interior. not happy with my 2015 Model S at all
Yes I know what you mean. What you're talking about is called the "parcel shelf". I'm not sure it does much... If you're one of the people who are sensitive to this feeling, then the Model 3 is the only Tesla that is effectively not a hatch back, and does not have this issue.
It affects the Model Y too as it is exactly the effect I feel as if your back windows are openned but to a lower extend. The hear drums are going out and in quickly resulting of a variation in pressure.
Yes understood. Some people are very sensitive to this. I think the newer Model X is much better, especially because of air suspension. Also, I prefer cars with smaller wheels as there is essentially more air cushion provided by the tires. Some people think the larger wheels look better. Even if that's true, the smaller wheels just give a smoother ride and may really help to cut down on this wind buffeting effect.
Great video. Helpful. Having the same issues on my one day old Model Y. It’s completely unbearable for my wife and I. Bringing it to Tesla to attempt to fix, but it feels like this is going to end up being returned under lemon law. :(
Have you been driving a new Raven and if so can you share your experience on what has been improved? The new suspension should make the ride more comfortable. By the way, great videos!
I haven't tried a Raven yet. HOWEVER, I can confidently say that air suspension makes a big difference. We were given 90D with air suspension as a loaner and it was much better!
Thanks for this video! My new 2022 model Y is having this problem too. I made a service appt but based on your explanation I fear they will not be able to totally fix it. Driving the car makes my ears ring and really bothers me. My hatch looks slightly misaligned so maybe it can be fixed… if not I will have to sell the MY and looking into getting the model 3 instead 😕. If your explanation is right the M3 should not have this problem.
I’ve got a model 3 Standard 2022. Similar issue as you have, sounding experience is very annoying for the passengers who sitting in the rear. It’s just like something is shaking at the trunk of the car all the time. Will try to fix this today
Hmmm. Since the model 3 is the only one that actually has a trunk, I have found that this kind of air compression effect is not found on Model 3. This is found on hatchback cars that don't have a trunk, and have essentially an entire open vehicle. Your issue might be something different.
@WilliamBennerJr the model 3 has a very large hole in the trunk which I would think, can replicate a hatch back with just simply a smaller opening not a large one. I think my model 3 has this issue.... I'm going to check it out tomorrow for possible adjustments
Thanks for the comment. I've only ridden in Model 3 a few times -- once when it was first released, and a few times as Ride Shares. They seemed pretty solid to me and no sign of the buffeting. I'll examine more closely next time the opportunity presents itself.
You can get the same sensation in some cars by rolling down just 1 window a little. It's like a pressure to a slight vacuum in your ears. My Model 3 Tesla doesn't do this, but I heard the Ys do.
It's a bit of a different feeling. The "windows down" creates a Helmholtz Resonance. The buffeting being discussed here is a compression effect, that will change frequency and amplitude, based on what the car is rolling over on the road.
I don't recall, but if you search Tesla Forums for "wind buffeting", you should be able to find the post.
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I must be in the 10% for my Model Y. Still trying to find the sweet spot. Manage to drop that sound from 110 kms to 80 Kms but those are 2 speeds I use a lot. Hope I can move that resonant sound to 200 kms. I never go there. lol
I'm not sure you will be able to tighten the buttons enough to completely eliminate the feeling. Some people just get accustomed to it, but more than one person told me that they had to trade in the car on something different.
Experiencing headaches in my new 2022 Model Y. Originally thought it was due to high RF and LF waves in the cabin (due to cellular antenna and battery) but I am intrigued by the theory it is air buffeting. Two confusing points: I don’t notice any sound & I begin to feel burning headache sensation even when car is stationary. I tried this strategy of unscrewing the trunk stoppers but did not find that the headaches have gone away.
The sound may be sub-sonic. To me that's the real difference between Model 3 and Model Y. The Model 3 is not a hatch back -- it has a real trunk. Any air modulation is kept within the trunk. It's a different drive sensation entirely...
WOW cool! Please provide info on the hose, including inside diameter (which will certainly have an influence on stiffness) and maybe info on where you got it (Amazon or local hardware store, etc.)
Just clear soft rubber hose from hardware store. 3/16 ID and 5/16 OD . I cut it to a point and with lots of lube I was able to fish all the way around through one of the breader holes in the weather stripping.
AHA thanks. If if was soft tubing I would think it is silicone instead of vinyl. Thanks for the idea! And indeed, adjusting those bumpers makes a difference.
I have the stops adjusted on my Model Y to a point that it is hard to remove the envelope. The buffeting is gone but my ears still has this weird sensation after the drive? Am I adjusting the stops more than required?
Pull up on the trunk a little while trying to remove the envelope. The envelope should be hard to remove even when you're pulling up. If that's the case, then the rest is simply due to the fact that the car is a hatchback.
This veidao was created 5 years ago, and the problem is still present on the MY 2024.. just unbelieavable that Tesla did not offer a solution for a problem like that one!
Actually the air suspension really helps. Newer model cars are much less of a problem. Nevertheless this affects all hatchbacks where the hatch is really horizontal. For SUVs that have a hatch, but the hatch is mostly vertical, this is not an issue.
Ok, I just adjusted the rubber and one corner wasnt even touching. I made them all tight, but as I push on the trunk, it still moves, and it probably only reduced the noise by 10 to 20%. Still hear this noise and hurting my ears.
Make sure when you close the lid on an envelope, that the envelope is hard to remove. You could try pulling up on the lid a little while sliding the envelope out. Just make sure it doesn't just pull out easily.
I bought model y 2022 and extremely disappointed from the noise:( how company could pass quality assurance have no idea. Driving on not ideal road makes me cry.😢
If you unscrew (turning counter clockwise) the button-like rubber pieces, this has the effect of pushing more strongly against the hatch, thereby keeping it from bouncing as much.
@@WilliamBennerJr I just tried unscrewing, it had the opposite effect. I had more air buffetting. My theory is, with the added spacing, the rubber seal is not as compressed while closed hence more movement? I don't know...
@@HappyHappyPanda88 I was wondering the same. The question here is, what is making the seal? There is a rubber seal all around the trunk, so I think when unscrewing you put less pressure on rubber seal and more chances on vibrations. Also when unscrewing the electric lock seems to be making more effort to lock, perhaps because the gap is wider. Anyway I tried both direction on all 4 points, but still I'm not able to get rit of the buffeting. It starts at 85kmh/53Mph. Maybe I have another issue, although the description matches very well. I checked tyres, and tried pressures between 3.0-3.2bar / 43.5-46.4psi.
Just have my 2021 Model Y for 1/2 month and having the same problem. Call Tesla and they ask me to bring the car back for them to troubleshooting. My next Tesla service will be on 1/28 and I will let you guy know what Tesla going to fix.
Yes, just try adjusting those rubber bumpers the way I showed in the video. It makes a big difference. By the way, I've found Tesla Techs generally don't know about it...
Ask BMW how they did it like 24 years ago with the best build Sedan car ever. the E39. I repeat the E39. No noise and the 6 straight engine is so quiet you wont hear it.
This guy does such a great job of explaining the problem and various solutions...Tesla should hire him!
Hehe, from what I've heard, the R&D lab of Tesla is experimenting with technologies my company makes. They've got my number and my profile on LinkedIn is pretty complete so anyone interested can reach me.
Yo, you have no idea how lucky I feel that I found your video. I was getting my ears a little stuffy while driving my YM on the freeway. I thought it had to do w altitude because I am a little up in the mountains and usually I drive down to LA. It wasn’t unbearable but it was there. The top left rubber “stopper” wasn’t making full contact, and the right one was not making a strong contact either. Did the envelope test on all of them after adjustments. All tight now. We will see how it turns out next time I drive to LA. I think it’ll take care of the issue. It just makes sense, my biochem professor used to say. Thank you. Will keep watching for more tips.
Glad my video helped!
YES!!!! I have a Model Y and I can hear this thing! It’s it felt like this ear pressure and for some reason no one else can hear or feel it, it was bothering me so much. I’ll try this tomorrow for sure. You are the only person that address this, even people in Tesla, say its wind noise
I took a ride in a Model 3 and the wind buffeting is completely absent. However, Model 3 has a trunk right up against the back seat, so any motion of the trunk lid will not "pump" air into the cabin the way it does with a SUV / Hatchback. So far I haven't ridden in a Model Y, and I hoped that it would not be as bad -- especially with the experience Tesla now has in making cars. For sure the newer Model S and Model X are better in this regard, but I believe the air suspension has a lot to do with the improvement.
getting any better?
I just did a test drive with a model y and myself and mother in law who was in the front seat both felt this and we both had headaches after riding for 5 mins on inside road. The road was pretty rough and bumpy so we felt everything, my wife who was in the back seat didn't feel it. I was able to take the loaner home and adjust the bumper but still feel it. It did alleviate it a bit though
I think I noticed that it is not as noticeable in the back of my Model X as well.
@@WilliamBennerJr i have the same issue on my model Y picked upon Mar 2021. my wife and I hear that noise , after they adjust the panel gap on the back of the trunk . it seems better but it still hear. the guy from mobile service doesn't heard that. i will try this and see what happen. thanks William
This is so great! I have experienced this on 3 separate Model Y test drives. No one believed me at Tesla of the issue occurring. I almost cancelled my order until I saw this. Thank you so much for such a great explanation and fix!!!!
Thanks for the kudos! I'm glad my video *explained* what is happening, but I'm not sure there is a real solution per se. Adjusting the rubber bumpers definitely helps, and on the newer Model S and X, the air suspension also helps. But I think all hatchbacks essentially suffer from this condition, to one extent or another...
Same with me! I test drove two Model Y's and I'm almost certain this was happening. If you see this Ryan - please let me know if you got a car in the end and solved it.
my new model Y 2023 has such issue...sigh
I test drove the 2024 Model 3 and Model Y and I noticed this in the Model Y. People on the forum had no idea what I was talking about but this is it. This is why I was having a hard time picking the more practical Model Y.
Agreed. Model 3 *should* not have this problem, but I heard one person who seemed to experience the buffeting feeling.
cannot describe how much this helped me, was almost going to sell the car!
Glad it helped! I've had to do this on several cars, including rentals...
In my case, a model Y, the noise was different, rattling, but I managed to solve it with the same technique as the root cause is the same but with metallic contact. Congratulations on the factual, logical and accurate presentation!
Thanks for sharing
Thank you very much for this info. This was driving me crazy and people near me were just deaf enough to not hear this booming sounds.
Glad it helped
Yo you are a God send. This video helped me fix the issue. I was going crazy with the sound.
Yes, the video has been enlightening to many, and my local Tesla service station refers customers to this video as well. Glad it helped!
Thanks so much for this video. I thought I was going crazy with the oscillating pressure I was feeling on my ears. This makes perfect sense. Thanks again!
You are so welcome!
You are a godsend. This was driving me nuts. My ‘21 Model S had no problem and when I got the ‘23 Model S, I noticed it right away. Everyone was looking at me like I’m an idiot. So hard to diagnose because not everyone feels it. My wife thought I was losing my mind. Thank you very much for your informative video
Glad my information was helpful!
Wow.. I am so glad you were actually able describe the problem and articulate is so well and put it in words. I thought i was going crazy when trying to explain what I was going through when experiencing this problem.
Yes I've heard this so many times, even from Porsche owners.
Great job of describing such a bad problem that buffeting can be in a car in your CZcams video. We are experiencing this exact, terrible buffeting air noise pressurizing the closed cabin on a brand new 2019 Porsche Panamera (5 door hatchback).
Sorry to hear about the problem with the Porsche. Please be sure to share your experience with the service department, if they are able to make adjustments to minimize the problems.
Man. Thanks so much for this. Just got a MY and we noticed it immediately. This helped a lot. Still not 100% gone but I think we can now live with the car.
Glad it helped!
Thanks for doing this.. Yes I definitely feel the "pressure wave" or the "sonic boom" that you mention.. It gave me bad headaches while taking longer trips and I could not figure out why I was feeling this makes perfect sense now. Will try this technique out thanks !
Glad you liked it!
Thanks a lot! I was recently testing a used Model S and sensed this vibration immediately first time driving above 90 km/h ! Excellent video ! 👍
Did you try this fix and did it work?
I followed your steps and the buffeting noise is almost gone! Thank you, William!
Excellent!
Hi William, Thank you so much for this video. Hard to find information on this ear buffeting phenomenon. I am experiencing this in my 2023 BMW iX. Other people riding in the car have not felt the discomfort. Unfortunately, I seem to be sensitive to it. I really like the automobile, but the ear issue is a constant irritant. I have let me dealership know of the problem and they have told me they are investigating it, but have not had any other reports of the issue. I have passed your video on to them to help them understand the issue better and give me some corroboration. Once again, thank you for taking the time to create and post this video.
Glad it helped!
I adjusted the bushings and it seems to help, not completely but better than before. Thanks
Yes, it seems impossible to completely eliminate...
Thanks for your help mate. That was the problem with our car. Cheers.
Glad it helped!
I’m having this problem and will try this fix. Thanks for posting.
Oh man THANK YOU ! Wow my 160k miles Tesla S was getting worst. At first I thought I need a new Tesla as wind noise and the brain pressure with my commutes is just too much. THANK YOU !
Glad it helped!
Thank you so much! I was going crazy looking for a potential solution!
Adjusting the "plugs" will certainly help. And let me know if you discover other improvements.
William Benner, am I able to contact you re a buffeting problem?
Sure no problem. I had a Porche owner do the same and wound up making a new friend!
This is a fantastic video. I got my refreshed model S 2022 a couple months back and it was very quiet; unfortunately, after some panel gaps adjustment I got a gigantic "buffeting" noise/pressure on my ear on every drive. I tried explaining it to the tesla service center and they all looked at me like I'm an idiot. After watching your video, it is indeed the tesla center did adjust the contact points to "mask" the panel gap and caused the problem. Amazing investigation you did there, thank you so much.
Sounds great! Porsche owners told me of similar experiences.
I hear you man. TSC has been beyond frustrating. I had 14line items and they resolved 0 they either say cannot duplicate (even with video) or along the lines of operating as designed between the RDU clunk they won’t fix, FDU whine, booming interior, right drift. I HATE drying my 2015 S 85D
I was loaned a P85D once. Loved the acceleration, but the buffeting was pretty bad. That particular one didn't have air suspension. I think that makes a big difference.
Same exact year and car that I own and having the same issues. Can't wait to adjust them later today and hopefully get rid of the horrible rumble/buffeting sound. It's the only thing preventing the car from being damn near perfect.
Thank you for looking into this. It was hard to describe.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for this info! You may have just saved my sanity
Glad I could help!
I’ve had a 2021 Nissan Armada for couple months, it’s a huge SUV. One month ago the mechanic in the service center decided to mess with the bumper rubbers to reduce the rattling of the hatch door as he claimed and since then every time I drive I feel the immense pressure in my ears and sometime severe headache if I drive long. My wife and kid in the back seat don’t feel anything but when she sits next to me in the passenger seat she feels it. I knew the problem is there with those rubbers and I tried to adjust them back and forth but without any success I guess I’m so desperate that I’m just uncontrollably screwing the threads around in order to fix it. Of course Nissan Service Center didn’t notice anything wrong with the car and claimed all is fine, so I’m really happy I found your video even though it’s completely a different car brand but at least that proves I’m not crazy 😅. Will try adjusting those rubbers again but this time more calmly and hopefully I can succeed in eliminating the pressure as I can’t live with this car in this condition
I also noticed in my Model X that the pressure feeling is not at all noticeable in the middle seats where guests sit. I guess it makes sense -- something like "Pressure Zone" phenomenon, like how a PZM Microphone works. The max pressure zone is in the front.
Man this video is gold!!! I had to argue with Tesla service center manager twice for the same thing and their answer was - well these gaps are in spec’s. But I still could feel the vibration and noise you describe.
Obviously they don’t know about this issue and I’m going to use this video for them to understand what is going on.
Thanks for sharing!
Yes, actually one of the service guys at the Tesla Service Center in Orlando has his customers watch this video. Adjusting the bumpers does help some, but I think sensitive people will still find the hatchback objectionable. This appears to be the case with all hatchbacks, including Model Y, Porsche, and many others.
@@WilliamBennerJr Interesting video, thanks for sharing. Just wanted to note that we experienced this resonant buffeting+pressure in four different Model Y Long Range samples recenty (I was test-driving and renting, to see if interested in the model) and these symptoms were so bad I ended up with headaches and a passenger's vertigo was triggered. We haven't experienced this in any of our other hatchbacks going back decades and from what I've read it may also relate to body construction causing resonance issues and not just hatchback adjustments. Indeed, from my experiences the symptoms occurred after 40MPH and did not happen at highway speeds, it was only in a specific window of speed and maybe surface where it happened, but it was very uncomfortable.
Excellent video
You are good. Model Y has this ear pressure problem and I am going to try It out. Thanks a lot
Yes indeed. Please write back once you've played with the adjusters.
Fantastic explanation. I did the envelope test on my MY and got some reduction then I wondered if another test could demonstrate how good the seal is… so I grabbed some sidewalk chalk and applied to the stopper and then closed hatch to see the imprint. Noticed quickly which ones weren’t making a good seal. After adjusting using chalk the improvement is now noticeable. Thank you!
WOW, interesting idea. My father used to use ketchup and mustard sometimes to make impressions on things. The chalk idea is very good!
Before getting my MS I was like oh cmon, I never heard about it, you probably over reacting... After an hour in my new to me MS all I can say is thank you :) It does bother me and now Im going to fix it
Yes it makes a big difference! I think the newer ones are naturally quieter. Also, I was loaned one with air suspension which seemed better as well.
feel lucky come by and see this video, i always thing the reason of the rubber being there are for holding the trunk instead of guiding the trunk and not holding it as you show us.
You hit it right on the nail head with this one. I went to test drive MY twice, and both times, i had this unexplainable boom sound and ear pressure that literally gave me headaches both times. I drove less than 20 miles.
When I explained it to the tesla guys, they had no idea what the heck I was talking about. When I test drove M3P, no such sound, Nada!
I really wanted to pick Model Y, but it looks like this issue just made my decision for me.
Thanks very much for producing such an informative video.
Understood and agreed! The Tesla service center near me actually shows customers this video I made, to explain what'a happening.
OMG... Totally remember that with a test drive of the Model S. Luckily I didn't have the issue with the Model 3 I bought (over 2 years of ownership now).
Yes, Model 3 for sure won't have this problem because it has a real "trunk". Any motion and associated air modulation of the rear hatch will be captured by the back seat and not transmitted into the cabin.
Thanks. I don't have a buffeting noise, but at higher speeds, I get what I perceive as a "strange" wind noise on the upper right (I have a sliding roof), however, if I move my head in that direction, I am unable to localise the source of the wind noise. Tesla service center (who came along on a test ride) said there was nothing unusual; still: a so-called "premium" car should not have that sort of "erratic" wind noise above ca 100 km/h. But I'll try your hatch adjustment test..
Yes please do. I've noticed that the Tesla Model S with air suspension really helped!
I had trouble finding your video. I will certainly give this a shot for my Model S. I would describe my issue as low frequency road noise. It sounds like a very deep subwoofer is reacting to every little bump and crack in the road. I used a sound meter and was getting readings between 55 and 65 dB. driving my wife's CRV over the same section of road I got readings between 40 and 50 dB.
Yep, I know what you mean. I heard one person piling a bunch of pillows between the top of the rear seats and head liner, to effectively cut-off the hatch -- thus forming a conventional auto with a trunk. I never tried it but they said it worked well. It might be a good experiment to see if the noise you're hearing is coming from the hatch (as I suspect it is). If so, then do what you can to "immobilize" the hatch back, including making the adjustments I detailed.
Ugh this is the worst, I know exactly what you mean as I am sensitive to noise (tinnitus). I think the rear sub floor void is acting as a drum and resonating on expansion joints, ik currently looking into it myself as I already added sound deadening in the trunk its bad. I have a model 3 btw
When I first got my X, I also though it might be something related to the floor, but now I don't think so. Could be wrong... I considered making what's called a "Tuned mass damper" for it and putting it in the middle, just under the center console, but I just never got around to it. I really think a tuned mass damper would help. In any event, the newer Model S and X seem much better, and I think the air suspension makes a big difference too.
I have the exact same issue with my new Jeep Grand Cherokee L. any success fixing this?
Good joob William .. U win my sub..
Thanks for the kudos!
Wow, thank you so much William! This pressure sensation has been bothering me since I upgraded from a Model 3 to Model Y months ago, and I was I initially unable to find any information on it. I've adjusted my stoppers using the technique you suggest and it seems much better!
Is there anything you'd like to ask those of us who have been helped by your video to do? A charity to donate to perhaps?
Your kudos is payment enough!
adding sound proofing to the inside of the trunk well help as adding some wight to the steel helps as well . turning the plugs out to much can make a water leak . it can all so be coming form the lower bumper if all the tabs are not in all the way as it playing as a air scope and adds air pis inside the space of the bumper and car body its self . if i remaber right there is a inside body vent back there and as it moves all so makes the buffeting inside the car . if this is so the duffeting well change on other kinds of road ways and speeds .
Sure, turning the plugs out too far is a bad idea, but when they get too far out, the trunk won't even close, and body panel gaps become noticeably large, so there is a good amount of "negative feedback" to prevent turning them out too far. And yes, there is most definitely a vent in the rear, but I'm not sure it is accessible or adjustable. There are certainly people who have dramatically reduced the buffeting by adjusting the bumpers. That helps for most (but not all) people...
They should have done that in the factory. My E39 from 1999 has in the trunk and in the complete engine compartment sound proofing material.
Thanks for this thoughtful research and making it easy to understand for Tesla buyers. Someone bring issue this to @tesla @@Elon Musk’s attention. This isn’t an isolated case to dew buyers, there are thousands if not tens of thousands of examples. We’re not saying we bought lemons we just need our cars do be comfortable
My model 3 was buffeting but what fot rid of it is spraying the window seals with cleaner and supplementing the window seals with more foam to help it seal the window better and also the o ring on top of the glass roof (outisde) all helped a lot
Hmmm. Thanks for the input.
Thank you Conan O Brian.
Hi William, just got a brand new model Y and dealing some severe cabin pressure. Hoping to try this tomorrow morning or it will drive me nuts!
Yes, the Model 3 is not susceptible to this because it's a trunk, not a hatch back. I haven't ridden in a Model Y yet, and I was hoping that the Model Y would not have that problem.
Thank you so much. Mine is better after that but still feels like inside a drum. I also am missing the rear parcel shelf that I heard will help reduce the "inside drum noise" I can even kit the back seat back and make a similar noise. what a tin like hollow like thin cheap interior. not happy with my 2015 Model S at all
Yes I know what you mean. What you're talking about is called the "parcel shelf". I'm not sure it does much... If you're one of the people who are sensitive to this feeling, then the Model 3 is the only Tesla that is effectively not a hatch back, and does not have this issue.
Dude thank you.
Happy to help
It affects the Model Y too as it is exactly the effect I feel as if your back windows are openned but to a lower extend. The hear drums are going out and in quickly resulting of a variation in pressure.
Yes understood. Some people are very sensitive to this. I think the newer Model X is much better, especially because of air suspension. Also, I prefer cars with smaller wheels as there is essentially more air cushion provided by the tires. Some people think the larger wheels look better. Even if that's true, the smaller wheels just give a smoother ride and may really help to cut down on this wind buffeting effect.
Great video. Helpful. Having the same issues on my one day old Model Y. It’s completely unbearable for my wife and I. Bringing it to Tesla to attempt to fix, but it feels like this is going to end up being returned under lemon law. :(
@@jasons7655 Hi, did you get it fixed by Tesla? If so, what was the fix?
Have you been driving a new Raven and if so can you share your experience on what has been improved? The new suspension should make the ride more comfortable. By the way, great videos!
I haven't tried a Raven yet. HOWEVER, I can confidently say that air suspension makes a big difference. We were given 90D with air suspension as a loaner and it was much better!
This worked for me
Glad to hear it!
Great video. Thanks. I just got a new model Y and it's having this issue. I will try adjusting it. Do I need to check the hinges?
I am not aware of any adjustments or problems with the hinges.
I noticed this on my loaner Y!
Thanks for this video! My new 2022 model Y is having this problem too. I made a service appt but based on your explanation I fear they will not be able to totally fix it. Driving the car makes my ears ring and really bothers me. My hatch looks slightly misaligned so maybe it can be fixed… if not I will have to sell the MY and looking into getting the model 3 instead 😕. If your explanation is right the M3 should not have this problem.
Sorry to hear about your troubles. As I said, a certain portion of the population is more sensitive to this.
I have the same problem, Kevin. How did you manage to fix the problem?
I’ve got a model 3 Standard 2022. Similar issue as you have, sounding experience is very annoying for the passengers who sitting in the rear. It’s just like something is shaking at the trunk of the car all the time.
Will try to fix this today
Hmmm. Since the model 3 is the only one that actually has a trunk, I have found that this kind of air compression effect is not found on Model 3. This is found on hatchback cars that don't have a trunk, and have essentially an entire open vehicle. Your issue might be something different.
@WilliamBennerJr the model 3 has a very large hole in the trunk which I would think, can replicate a hatch back with just simply a smaller opening not a large one. I think my model 3 has this issue.... I'm going to check it out tomorrow for possible adjustments
Thanks for the comment. I've only ridden in Model 3 a few times -- once when it was first released, and a few times as Ride Shares. They seemed pretty solid to me and no sign of the buffeting. I'll examine more closely next time the opportunity presents itself.
Whats the status?
@@a4Audi2153whats the status?
You can get the same sensation in some cars by rolling down just 1 window a little. It's like a pressure to a slight vacuum in your ears. My Model 3 Tesla doesn't do this, but I heard the Ys do.
It's a bit of a different feeling. The "windows down" creates a Helmholtz Resonance. The buffeting being discussed here is a compression effect, that will change frequency and amplitude, based on what the car is rolling over on the road.
@@WilliamBennerJr SCIENCE!
What diameter rope did the forum user use? Having similar noise issues with a Model S.
I don't recall, but if you search Tesla Forums for "wind buffeting", you should be able to find the post.
I must be in the 10% for my Model Y. Still trying to find the sweet spot. Manage to drop that sound from 110 kms to 80 Kms but those are 2 speeds I use a lot. Hope I can move that resonant sound to 200 kms. I never go there. lol
I'm not sure you will be able to tighten the buttons enough to completely eliminate the feeling. Some people just get accustomed to it, but more than one person told me that they had to trade in the car on something different.
Experiencing headaches in my new 2022 Model Y. Originally thought it was due to high RF and LF waves in the cabin (due to cellular antenna and battery) but I am intrigued by the theory it is air buffeting. Two confusing points: I don’t notice any sound & I begin to feel burning headache sensation even when car is stationary. I tried this strategy of unscrewing the trunk stoppers but did not find that the headaches have gone away.
The sound may be sub-sonic. To me that's the real difference between Model 3 and Model Y. The Model 3 is not a hatch back -- it has a real trunk. Any air modulation is kept within the trunk. It's a different drive sensation entirely...
Did you end up figuring it out? I took get dizzy just sitting in the car without it moving
I also added a 3/16 rubber hose inside the weather striping on the hatch.
WOW cool! Please provide info on the hose, including inside diameter (which will certainly have an influence on stiffness) and maybe info on where you got it (Amazon or local hardware store, etc.)
Just clear soft rubber hose from hardware store. 3/16 ID and 5/16 OD . I cut it to a point and with lots of lube I was able to fish all the way around through one of the breader holes in the weather stripping.
This made it better but the real fix was adjusting to grab that envelope tightly
Tried to send a link to a photo of the vinyl tube but CZcams took it down.
AHA thanks. If if was soft tubing I would think it is silicone instead of vinyl. Thanks for the idea! And indeed, adjusting those bumpers makes a difference.
There is actually now a service bulletin for this issue. Fix is exactly as William explained.
WOW, great to know!
@@WilliamBennerJr Yeah, maybe they watched your video in the end.. SB-13-11-007
Do you have some kind of bulletin number or link for it?
I’m having this issue with 2024 grand highlander. I don’t think it has stops… any suggestions?
Normally this kind of hatchback won't have the problem because the hatch is really pretty vertical. You might consider another source of the problem.
This happens to me on the tesla 3 which is not a hatchback. I think it's something about the pressure in the cabin.
Hmmm. I've not experienced it myself in a Model 3, but thanks for sharing.
I have the stops adjusted on my Model Y to a point that it is hard to remove the envelope. The buffeting is gone but my ears still has this weird sensation after the drive? Am I adjusting the stops more than required?
Pull up on the trunk a little while trying to remove the envelope. The envelope should be hard to remove even when you're pulling up. If that's the case, then the rest is simply due to the fact that the car is a hatchback.
Okay, will give it a try. Thank you again
Just to give a broader perspective: Same on Model Y production early 2024 in Germany. Crazy sounds. Nothing on Model 3.
As far as I know this affects all hatch backs, where the hatch has a very horizontal slope.
This veidao was created 5 years ago, and the problem is still present on the MY 2024.. just unbelieavable that Tesla did not offer a solution for a problem like that one!
Actually the air suspension really helps. Newer model cars are much less of a problem. Nevertheless this affects all hatchbacks where the hatch is really horizontal. For SUVs that have a hatch, but the hatch is mostly vertical, this is not an issue.
I have terrible helicopter vibes in my model 3 '22. Can model 3 have this? Drives longer than 30 minutes make me go insane. I get agressive by it.
Model 3 *should* not have this problem, because the trunk space is contained within back seats.
Thank you!
Welcome!
Ok, I just adjusted the rubber and one corner wasnt even touching. I made them all tight, but as I push on the trunk, it still moves, and it probably only reduced the noise by 10 to 20%. Still hear this noise and hurting my ears.
Make sure when you close the lid on an envelope, that the envelope is hard to remove. You could try pulling up on the lid a little while sliding the envelope out. Just make sure it doesn't just pull out easily.
I bought model y 2022 and extremely disappointed from the noise:( how company could pass quality assurance have no idea.
Driving on not ideal road makes me cry.😢
I can imagine!
so do you tighten or loosen? kinda confused at the explanation.
If you unscrew (turning counter clockwise) the button-like rubber pieces, this has the effect of pushing more strongly against the hatch, thereby keeping it from bouncing as much.
@@WilliamBennerJr I just tried unscrewing, it had the opposite effect. I had more air buffetting. My theory is, with the added spacing, the rubber seal is not as compressed while closed hence more movement? I don't know...
@@HappyHappyPanda88 I was wondering the same. The question here is, what is making the seal? There is a rubber seal all around the trunk, so I think when unscrewing you put less pressure on rubber seal and more chances on vibrations. Also when unscrewing the electric lock seems to be making more effort to lock, perhaps because the gap is wider. Anyway I tried both direction on all 4 points, but still I'm not able to get rit of the buffeting. It starts at 85kmh/53Mph. Maybe I have another issue, although the description matches very well. I checked tyres, and tried pressures between 3.0-3.2bar / 43.5-46.4psi.
Hmmm. I did find that it was possible to unscrew it too much!
Sorta looks like Conan
Team coco
on my S it was the license plate.
WOW interesting.
Just have my 2021 Model Y for 1/2 month and having the same problem. Call Tesla and they ask me to bring the car back for them to troubleshooting. My next Tesla service will be on 1/28 and I will let you guy know what Tesla going to fix.
Yes, just try adjusting those rubber bumpers the way I showed in the video. It makes a big difference. By the way, I've found Tesla Techs generally don't know about it...
@@WilliamBennerJr the tech from mobile service in canada doesn't know that too. he hasn't notified anything.
This is a common issue with Model Y now.
By any chance are you familiar with Conan O’Brien?
Yes, in my medical computer days people told me that all the time.
My BMW X1 has it horribly.
AHA I've never looked at the shape of the X1. I will watch for them on the road.
Ask BMW how they did it like 24 years ago with the best build Sedan car ever. the E39. I repeat the E39. No noise and the 6 straight engine is so quiet you wont hear it.
You are mistaken, little brother. - an E38 driver ;)
william is like a 165% nicer version of conan, with about 375% less crazy lol