What if You SHAKE a Hard Drive WHILE It's Running?
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In this video we do a real life test on what happens when you shake a hard drive. But not only do we shake it by hand, we use an actual machine to shake it extremely hard. Surely this will ruin the hard drive right? Next, we try something even more ridiculous. And also compare it to what happens with an SSD.
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Wow that's one tutorial you won't see every day
15 hrs ago but video is just uploaded how??
16 hours ago!? This video was just uploaded
This guy seem to have that patreon like service from CZcams he can probably see the video early somehow
@@vishalghuman look at the badge next to his profile he is partnered with ThioJoe one of the perks is seeing vids early.
@@Clikstan And what is the "3rd level" on his badge?
*tHaTs L0tS of DmAgE*
use flex tape to fix it
No long term damage
"dmage*
Flex Seal can now repair broken hard drives
It's *Damge*
HDD: “Noooo, you can’t just shake me and expect me to work properly.”
SDD: “haha vibration go brrrrr.”
Underrated comment
Solid D'tate Drive.
Solid Drive Driver
i think solid die drive make sense? as in nand and controller die
SDD = Solid Drive Drive
This is actually very interesting to see the security measures that are put into these hard drives.
But I wonder if they also put accelerometers in external hard drives also. Maybe do because they are still hard drives and they are used outside the pc or laptop and is more exposed. I just don't want to break the external hard drive I have for a ps4 I have.
@@ethangreen2022 XD
No. They are literally just Laptop 2.5" drives and 3.5" drives with a USB adapter.
And THIS is why SSD's are the way to go for anything but large Read/Write media storage.
Glad to see quality entertainment is back on youtube
This is entertainment?
@Yakfatboy22 you trynna tell me this isnt quality entertainment
1 year ago
Manat ster yes
Wouldn't call it *quality*
5:06 SSD: "Yea LOL Whateverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..."
Does not care at all xD
ssds are reliable because they don't have a disk
Don’t SSDs typically have a faster read/write speeds compared to HDDs?
@@wta1518 yes
That is really comfortable, please, continue the massage
Yeah I don't care. If I open up SSD while it's running
Ideally would be to run health tests for things like bad sectors on the HDD before and after shaking it. Most of those shake wound not instantly destroy a hard drive, but could cause damage whose symptoms would only start to show months later.
it doesn't do any damage at all beyond requiring one increment of LCC lol
@@shinobuoshino5066nice pfp
@@shinobuoshino5066 It does actually
"We're gonna actually use an specialized piece of equipment"
A hArd DrIvE ShaKeR
I thought it was an modified toaster when I first watched this video.
I realized it was toaster shaped.
English is not Joe's forte. See above on SHOOK versus SHAKEN.
@@82spiders what is that? i want technology with bloons instead of mystery garbage
The mystery is finally solved!
FIRST FIRST haha finally
the thumbinail tho
Did you use s9/note9 for slow mo right
*Now deepfry a hard drive*
FAKE VİDEO JOE PLSS
Who would win: A storage device capable of storing terabytes of data in a small space
OR
O N E D U S T Y B O I.
O N E D U S T Y B O I
O N E D US T Y B O I.
Tardigradum i liked the comment only so the likes stay on 404 (not found)
My Old Windows XP Computer Is A *DUSTY BOI*
N I G G A
I'm surprised! While I expected the shaking machine to destroy the drive, I didn't expect the hand shaking to have any effect whatsoever.
2:34 that face
Any tiny dust on the platter will destroy the hard drive that's why yours failed.
But we must remember that 20 years ago, there are no hard drives with 1 TB or more capacity. There's only few GB available and that The highest capacity that day.
The failure reason when opening laptop HDDs is head alignment. Head assembly is not secured to the body perfectly and relies on the cover screw.
it’s because the last screw he took out put pressure on the heads. they started to rub up on the platters, scratching the platters and essentially killing the drive.
The last screw held the drive arm in
You are all incorrect in your explanation as to why the HDD failed when the cover was removed from the HDD.
The reason is that the HDD‘s heads are designed to operate on a cushion of air between the heads and the HDD platters in a completely sealed unit. This cushion of air is microns thin, and at speeds of 5400rpm or 7200rpm the cushion of air between the platters protects the heads from crashing onto the platters, as long as the speed of the platters is maintained. If the HDD platters lose speed, the HDD automatically retracts the heads to a safe parking spot.
The HDD cover keeps the air flow inside the HDD at a balance keeping an air cushion under the heads. When the cover was removed from the HDD, the balanced airflow inside the HDD, was lost, removing the air cushioning effect between the heads and platters causing the heads to crash onto the platters. Thus destroying the HDD and the data.
SSD: Poor hard drives never knew what would hit him
I love how you can immediately feel so much excitement in the beginning when it comes to breaking something
this video had me *literally shaking*
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The titles are getting crazier
or maybe the videos are getting crazier
ThioJoe you have a point
LOL
@@ThioJoe Could you make a video of Did you know OS-tans are Anime operating szğystem girls?
*sorry for my bad Englis*
This kinda reminds me of when I fed twice the normal voltage to a drill motor and the gearbox blew up...
So this is how Apple does shake to undo....
🤔
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stop it i said
Flash chips
Me with an SSD: “I don’t have such weaknesses”
Thank you for this great tutorial on how to open a hard drive.
I have ssd and its really running low on oil
I should switch to a hard drive so i don't have to replace my oil as much
xD
@;-; Kirby ;-; my hard drive runs on 2 litres of pure gasoline so my ssd uses oil
*DID SOMBODY SAY O I L*
Wait wtf I never knew I had to add oil to my SSD.
How do I check if mine is low. I've had it for about two years.
@@HillaryClintonEatsBabies it's a joke
2:28 When ThioJoe realized that hes been shook (Look at the video playing on his Laptop)
funny
This turned from a curiosity driven video to a Toshiba hard drive advertisement real quick lol
Toshiba HDDs naturally advertise themselves
I almost got a heart attack while watching this video.
Was it you or was it your wallet?
But why
Request medical help 🏥
i dont care lol hdd are trash with todays standards
100th like
Well I know some computers have the ability to turn off the head parking feature when vibration is detected, so you could have possibly looked into that to turn that off and kill the drive.
Also, that last screw under the sticker of the HDD, holds the read/write heads in place so when it was removed, the heads got loose, but I think you figured that out
Yea I actually screwed that back in after taking off the cover but it still made a bunch of noise
@@ThioJoe that's because the disk is already scratched, the r/w heads actually hover above the disks and use electromagnetic to do the job. If even a little dust get in the way, it'll scratch the disk and kill it. In the video, you either bent one of the r/w heads or let something (water, dust, ect) get onto the disk and scratched it
@@trithai9582 That, or when putting it back you applied too much/too little torque on that screw. The tolerances in these drives are so precise, turning the screw a little too much or too little will allow the drive heads to move up/down just enough to destroy themselves...
Thio: We officially killed the drive.
Windows recovery: sup yo drive dead get a new one
7:59 that dying sound lol
F to pay respects
F word. I press that F button.
F
Great stuff. I really enjoyed and learned something. Keep it up!
This is the content i subscribed for
indeed
Are the vibrations sine or square wave? Traditionally, the concern for me has always been that if the laptop is "banged" -- which is an impulse, that's supposed to cause the actuator (?) to hit the platter and tear things up in a microsecond.
It's interesting that there's a "shaking detector" to slow / stop the spinning, and that's a good thing. But that (sine wave) is a different test than the impact scenario, better simulated by square waves, although 1/4 of a square wave cycle would be sufficient to simulate a "bang."
For instance, how gently should a laptop be set on the table? How hazardous is it to a hard drive (perhaps running a mapping program) to sit on the passenger seat of a car or perched on a mobile mount when the road is bumpy? These are difficult questions to answer, since they depend on specific circumstances. More ammunition in favor of SSD.
We can be so grateful for these safety addings they added into the device. We did not have these things earlier when I was younger, so my sister basically crashed my hard drive just by accidentally hitting the computer at the wrong time, making the entire hard drive and everything on it (I know, every location of each bit is saved in a tiny little data) useless and I did not have any save feature back then. So every data was gone all the sudden. Very painful.
So I am pretty much stunned what the developers added into it. Very impressive. Thank you for your video!
I really like these "What if" Videos!
0:42 That weird shaking fan just made me laugh! I can't stop laughing!!
So much better than when laptops first came out! I remember having to actually send commands to Park the heads when shutting down so they did not destroy the platters when moving the computer! I hated early laptops as they were NOT reliable. Had many of the fail because of moving them. Obviously we should all use solid state drives for max reliablity.
You always remind me of the reason why I've subscribed to your channel! Keep up the good work :)
This guy straight up admits to his own shilling. Honesty, so refreshing.
You have become technical The King Of Random
*and again you can see the cable fell out this time too* 4:40
me:
*Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle*
HD's are a lot tougher than most give them credit for. Excellent experiment TJ!!!
That was really satisfying to watch!
I once accidentally picked up a 3.5" hard drive while it was still spinning (they're so quiet, so I didn't know). Three things I noticed:
-It was warm, because it was busy.
-It made a brief screeching noise, which might have been the head touching a disk, or maybe just the friction of a bearing experiencing off-axis forces
-Bigtime gyroscopic effect. Hard to explain if you don't know what that means (I started typing an explanation and it was a little much). Those platters and their bearings don't have a lot of mass, but 7200 RPM is very fast, so there's a lot of angular momentum in there.
This was enlightening, but I'd be interested to see how a desktop hard drive stacks up, since they're not (as far as I know) as protected from motion and shock...
I am sure the same because it is still a hard drive and you can use 2.5 inch in a desktop. If there was no accelerometer in it for the safety then that means that servers with 30-60 drives would fail a lot more quicker (or sooner) due to the vibrations. Also I think shock is for external drives. Almost all drives have vibration, movement (forgot what it is called when it gets hit or something) and shock protection (I don't know about this one) (all this is 100% for external drives)
@@ethangreen2022 Storage servers with up to hundreds of harddrives are not receiving much more vibration than a standard desktop computer. If they would, half the drives would constantly be locking up... Professional servers are built to prevent resonance at harddrive frequencies so this isn't an issue.
Either way, laptop drives (2.5" drives meant for mobile devices), are built to be more tolerant against vibrations and shocks so it wouldn't be surprising to see 3.5" drives struggle a lot more.
As a sidenote: external drives are just internal drives in a fancy casing, the drive inside is the exact same as is shown here for example, no special technology compared to most 2.5" consumer grade HDDs.
All drives are built the same, what makes you think that desktop or even server drive is never shook?
They're transported sometimes.
Best! The slow-mow part was funny :D
I can finally stop worrying about that one time I kinda bumped into my hdd with my hand while it was running.
nice experiment! i'm surprised to find that shaking hard drives doesn't really break anything major, but more or less tiny temp glitch 😮
2:30 LOL🤣😂
Hard Drive: *working*
ThioJoe: I’m going to stop you right there
My long time wish fulfilled by you, thanks.
I did a crazy test - my 8TB drive died... it was making clicking sound - you know those sounds when you know for sure the drive is toast. I read somewhere that you can put the drive in the freezer and sometimes you would be able to recover data. Guess what - it actually worked!! I only left my drive in the freezer for 1hour and was able to boot up and recover all my files!!! the drive actually still works right now... IF YOU WANT TO TRY THIS, make sure to seal the drive in a ziplock bag, try to get as much as air out as possible to avoid moisture build up. do not leave in the freezer for too long as it will probably destroy the drive for good.
Mazxlol e
Holy fucking shit. Thank you so fucking much. Thank you thank you thank you. Can you tell me where you found this?
"How did you recover the data?" "did you just plug it in?"
explosev gamr just found it somewhere on the web. as far as i understand it might not work everytime but it worked for me! if your drive is dead, might as well try it as last resort option!
Blahblah Yes i got it out of the freezer and simply plugged it in. Drive was detected as normal and i was able to copy ALL of my data to another drive. PS after about 40 minutes of copying the drive vanished again and wouldnt work anymore. i had to put it in the freezer for another 1hour then it was working again
You videos make me anxious about owning a computer in the first place.
I need more horror movie aesthetics in your vid
Excellent HDD test, TJ!
You should've tried to write something on it while shaking. Kinda wonder if it can make some errors while writing a file right before shaking (Before the protect mechanism stops the hard drive). By the way thank you for your test, I have never think about shaking issues with it.
Things to not do with a spinning platter hard drive in the off state: 1. Expose it to static electricity, 2. Put it down hard enough to make a noise. Things that are probably okay in on or off states: 1. Shake it, 2. Invert or rotate it (it's a really interesting demo of the gyroscopic effect to invert a spinning drive, but isn't harmful) Source? Those were the rules at IBM when I used to build the things. The drive can only withstand a small amount of g's of force before the heads crash into some internal part or the actuator arm bends. When spinning, however, the flyheight of the heads is determined by magnetic action, a strong and rigid actuator arm, and air pressure between the head and disk, and is quite stable under changing forces. Shaking doesn't exert a lot of force on the drives compared to, say, slamming it down on a hard surface. One of the tests done during manufacture is HRF (for harmonic ratio flyheight) test which measures the flyheight and ensures its stability in certain conditions. Some tests are done with the top cover on, some with it off. In a cleanroom, the cover isn't necessary if the drive is stable. Doing what you did with the cover off though leads to instability in the actuator arm, as it's only supported from the bottom and not held rigid at the top, causing the heads to come into contact with the platters, hence the high pitched screeching sound.
*MORE EXPERIMENTS LIKE THAT PLEASE!*
Stay safe and healthy Joe, Great video.
0:23
close your eyes and listen
doesn't seem right xD
XD
This xD ruined the joke
edit the "xD "I'm so funny" part out. Ruins the jokr
EvilPotato bruh you just posted cringe
Neat. It's good to know that an SSD can take a lot more. I'll still be super duper careful with my drives, but this is good to know that a little shaking won't be detrimental to the drive. By the way, it's "shaken" for the passive form / object of the verb. "Shook" is for the active form / subject. :D Good stuff, Thio.
That is because SSD Drives have no moving parts
@@stephensnell5707 Oh, that's why. Makes sense. Thanks.
You could put a ssd in a dryer (on cold) and it will still work.
I love how this CZcamsr makes helpful videos AND entertaining videos.😊
Glad to know that there's a protocol for my computer to protect it's self in the event it somehow winds up in California.
1:53 FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE
I think hard drive for laptop are design to withstand moment while the hard drive is running. Can you also try it in desktop hard drive ?
@@DaGroceryROBLOX no they don't have g sensors
Kuri0 : Gaming & More well i’ve never heard of that then.
They are not exactly the same.
Laptop drives have special firmware in the drive board along with a sensor that detects changes in g forces on the drive. If it detects it brings the head back stopping the drive from reading or writing momentarily until it recovers. There are some software on toshibas that utilize this piece of technology and warn you that the drive head has been stopped. If you ever look into the in depth S.M.A.R.T details of the drive you will see a gsense value. While this mechanism will delay the destruction of the drive over time it will slowly destroy the drive.
@@AdamWebbadamwbb Why such mechanism will slowly destroy the drive?
@@hedgehogthesonic3181 im not sure if he wrote that correctly but it makes sense that the shaking would still destroy the drive over time.... tho i acn't see why the mechanism itself woudl destroy the drive.
I'm very happy u changed the way ur videos are
This is extremely fascinating.
Yes I do daily to train it
I've read that new hard drives have a build in accelerometer to detect if the computer is on sudden movement, to activate a safety feature moving the heads to their rest position to avoid scratch it, Hard drives are on different air preassure, opening them changes that, head readers never touch the plates, air preassure as it is is not good enougth
3:00 HA HA HA! THAT WEIRD HUMMER BUZZER THING IS LAUGHING ME OUT!!
Haha! Kinda sounded like the drive was crying near the end there!
Hi. Interesting tutorial
Vighnesh Vighnesh yeah excellent *tutorial*
It works as a blender for files?
Wow, so much things to learn :)
Opening destabilizes the moving parts, so the arm would sink down a little (because of the little distance to the platter it would rub onto it) and even the platters might start to wobble slightly, hitting the head.
I don't know if you killed it just by opening it, because of the tiniest of dust getting in between the disc and the head. Either way, you should have tried to kick it instead of vibrating it you know, real life stuff. The thing with the shaker is that yeah, it vibrates real fast but the drive might have time to retract the head while the shaker is starting up, once it's retracted it doesn't matter how fast you shake it anymore. A sudden kick or bump with enough instant force would actually move the head into the disc as it retracts and that's what would cause damage, I think.
Otakutaru Wouldn’t a force like that also cause the drive to stop? Apparently laptop drives are pretty smart and can do that but I never tested it.
@@squidgrill Good. *Don't test it.* xD
ok here is the serious part about why the HDD failed after you open it up
the inside of the HDD is like a semi vacuum or in technically terms hermetically sealed with a small barometric filter in the hole on the cover.
the semi vacuum is what helps keep the read write head skimming above the platters.
When you open up the HDD even a spec of dust invisible to the naked eye would be the disk drive equivalent of putting a house-sized boulder in the road ahead of your speeding car jammed between the head and platter is going to cause lots of damage.
The magnetic density of today's drives uses perpendicular magnetic orientation, requiring the read/write heads to fly on a boundary layer of gaseous fluid
How is the air pressure inside and out equalised, then?
@@Foebane72 breather holes
Yes, what I mean is if that some drives have helium inside instead of air, and yet still have breather holes, how is the helium kept in and the air out?
@@Foebane72 that part i have no idea how its gonna seal the gas from leaking away.
Helium drives are fully sealed. They do not have breather holes. Only air ones do.
Thank you, Joe.
2:48
Joe on video*:Ah yes fan me
Hard Drive* Ight!
USE FLEX TAPE TO FIX YOUR HARD DRIVE. NOW I SAWED YOUR PC!!
NOW THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE
4:33 I WILL TAKE OFF HIS DRIVE!!
I would think it would have a similar affect as shaking a cd player and I certainly remember what that was like, but good to see someone else showing in detail 🤷🏼♂️✌🏼
good to know about the SSD Drive shake test
7,200 RPM? Oh please; now try it with one that spins at 15,000 RPM (like my 1TB HDD).
1 TB, 15,000 rpm -- that sounds like it was pretty expensive. I didn't know they make them as big as 1 TB.
I assume they're dinosaurs in a world of SSDs.
WhatsaScrewdriver? Lmao
Yeah cos thats not going to die either
The rmp does not change anything, even if it turns faster he moves anyway.
My computer made in early 2018 (January 13 2020) has a 921 GB hdd.
Toss some RedBull on it and it’ll be fine. 😜
Please more of these :D
This is nextgen thiojoe
0:13 I was shaking my laptop when you said this
this comment was made by ssd gang
Ssd 🐐
ssd gang
Wsp
I have also an ssd
ssds are just built different bro
Very interesting video ThioJoe... I was wondering why don't you do a video on the difference between ssd, hdd, and usb drives?
i love how you went from satire to being actually useful
my 1 tb hd failed after it fell about 5 ft it just click now
cosmo ianiro
maybe the actuator is stuck on the 0-Postiton. It happened to one of mine too.
Try shaking it and hear if the actuator moves.(it makes a clicky sound)
If it does, you may not recover it anymore,but if it doesn‘t,it‘s easy to fix just by shaking the drive a bit so it gets out of the 0-Postition.
i tried shaking it and it sounds like a very quiet spring in there moving
I use to be in data recovery. This kind of stuff can cause a head crash or the head can get stuck on the platter. Not fun.
You're pretty good at that shaking motion. Looks like you've had lots of practice.
Everyone knows that you have to shake your hard drive to overclock the RPM speeds!
Kidding, on a serious note this is a great video because I have always wondered exactly how badly vibrations and shakes will interfere with the hard drive. For example, sometimes I have to carry my PC parts in a backpack or bag while travelling to new accommodation as I can't lug my huge case with me and have to get a new case. They are safely packaged in foam and a box but I am still curious just how badly they would react to such vibration damage. Thanks for the video! Please do more like this where you test old PC parts and stuff.
Lemme save you time.
If you do it, your speed will decrease.
Tried on: Lenovo Portable HDD
OMG a video that isn't fake?? From ThioJoe?!?! Are you serious?
I've been making real videos for 2 years genius
Good to see that you improved, @@ThioJoe, or should I say ThatJoke (of a channel)?
@@ThioJoe I would say that the sarcasm was real too.
6:28
PC DISK : hey bro stop uncovering me :(
Thio : HEHEH
i was going to ask for a SMART result after all that shaking, but when you said you'll take the cover off...no need to, lol!
With such nice reviews, you wii surely hit 3 Mio subscriber without help of any algorithm tricks. keep do it.
Very interesting! Can you do this with a NAS vs Desktop since they're rated differently?
I wonder how many people had problems with their laptop or desktop PC because of an unbalanced fan near their hard drive? You should try running disk diagnostics after every shaking session to make sure their was no physical damage. The results of a head crash may not show right away but the drive will die in a few hours/days/weeks.
Thank you for teaching this 72 year ild new things. I started out with my slidrule.
I love this channel!