The Future of Solar-Powered Cars
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Solar powered car prototypes already exist (and work!) but will they make it to production? and are they really worth while? If harnessing the sun through your car was straight forward and beneficial though, wouldn't Tesla or other EV Companies have done it by now? Lets look into it!
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Fingers crossed for Aptera. They realized that, with current solar cell technology, the vehicle has to be super-efficient for solar to make a meaningful difference. They've figured out how to do it... now they just need to bring it across the finish line to actual production. With every passing day of progress, the prospects are looking brighter and brighter. Sure, they've missed any number their projections for first a delivery date, but a start-up (particularly an automotive start-up) is nothing if they are not optimistic.
I first saw you Will on Now you Know, and I have followed you ever since. I wish Zac & Jessie kept you on there. It was a nice cameo.
Keep up the content. I truly think you have what it takes.
As an all in Tesla investor I really like who you are. I think I watch everyone.
I especially liked watching the video with you and your better half on the couch that day when she shared her experience driving cars. And then there’s your mum’s video. Gold!! Say hi to your mum.
I wish all the best for you and your family Will
How lovely! Thank you for sharing that.
Zac & Jesse feature any little videos I send them… the trick is finding time to make them as I’m so busy with my own videos… those guys are amazing though - I’ve been following them since their ‘Sparky trip’ days and am hugely inspired with what they have achieved. I was a little star struck chatting to them both on a video call when they first reached out! 😂
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solar is better used as vehicle shades at EV charging sites. produces power to charge the cars, keeps your car in the shade or dryer in the rain
Absolutely. It’s a legal requirement in France to cover their car parks with solar panels. Makes sense!
@@TeslaJigsaw Yes car parks is the biggie. Roadside solar and wind may also come in on highways. When solar panel costs bottom out installing on any purchase cost free land will be a no brainer. They will also be lighter and more efficient, reducing installation costs.
The Fisker Ocean had a solar roof, shame they went belly up. But at £25k issue for a 110kWh battery car that was £65k it's a tempting buy.
Another great video Will. Food for thought. 👍🏼😀
I disagree - Aptera is the obvious example to demonstrate the point. I would love Aptera solar on the glass roof of my Model Y. The glass roof in my Model Y has little benefit for me as I can't see through it when I'm in the driving seat. EVs have phantom drain when not in use - having solar on the car would cure this problem and also add range. I would pay extra to have this as an optional extra on my Tesla Model Y. Tesla should buy Aptera and incorporate their panels into the roofs of their vehicles. Remember the original leaf which had a tiny solar panel on the roof spoiler which I think kept the 12v battery charged. I was a big fan of the Sion Motors EV and the Lightyear - shame they didn't make it into production.
Not all EV's have a significant phantom drain. When I go back to the UK for a couple of weeks, my 5 year old Kona E left at the airport looses just 2% of charge. 😮
@@victorseal9047 True, but some do, so why not have a thing to combat that?
Increased cost to consumer I guess
Cost is important for sure but the large already existing glass is the majority of it anyway.
I put a small 5W solar panel on top of the empty dashboard on my Prius to trickle charge my 12V since I am not driving so much anymore. Works perfectly. So perhaps empty dashboard on Tesla is even better opportunity to put solar for 12V battery protection as cheaply as possible.
lol i added 200w of solar to my phev's roof. added like 20lbs and doesnt add any drag since my range went up instead of down. cost 80$. when im at home i plug my panels into the house i rent and it offsets the electricity i use during the day. already paid for itself dude.
How did you wire the panels into your car? How do you “plug into” your house?
@@michaelsmithers4900 they go into a 4kwh lifepo4 12v battery which i replaced my lead acid with. basically offsets the 12v parasitic load on the high voltage battery without messing with any of the high voltage stuff.
i added a microinverter of the german solar balcony variety to the load output of my mppt charge controller and run an extension cord. its rate at 150w inverter but outputs 75w coz i think were 120v instead of german 240v, but it does so all day and night from the battery which basically means I cut the peak output and avoid any backfeeding. I plug in an extension cord from the microinverter under my trunk to my house.
i made a more detailed post on gm volt forums under gen1 -> modifications section with a lot of pictures and tons of text+lnks explaining . i dont really show or explain the microinverter though
Expecting free miles or extended range from onboard panels might be a bit naïve, but they would be great for some additional peace of mind when we leave our vehicles for a long time, like at an airport. Even a fairly small and cheap panel would be sufficient to counteract self-discharge and sneaky power leakages.
I would have the solar just on the bonnet to keep the 12v battery charged.
This could sell as an aftermarket Tesla gadget, I think.
If I had to park outside I’d be happy to offset phantom drain especially that caused by active cooling.
Can you debunk Paul Burgess about wind ? He's really sharing info on wind which is making them not look good at all.
I've seen him mentioned in the comments on another channel. I watched a couple of his videos and he is an absolute joke. Think one of the wind power ones he tried to say that they can't power xx thousand homes as what nobody was factoring in was gas for heating so therefore wind wasn't producing the claimed figures. I mean, I don't remember being able to power my light bulbs with my gas boiler before? You know he's a fraud when he never puts any links to source material to back up his claims, I think that's most likely as the source would go against the claim as it always does with this conspiracy lot. They just cherry pick and miss quote for dramatic effect.
New homes (and commercial over certain size) do now need to have an EV charger (very few exceptions). Also the Future Homes Standard is the next change to the Building Regulations, hopefully from April 2025, will mean heat pumps will be the only way to achieve approval. General building fabric has improved massively in the last 10 years. Current Part L (conservation of fuel and power) gives 2 options to pass, either gas boiler with solar or no solar but must have a heat pump.
(Taking a visionary leap into the future.) if they could develop a paint which could absorb the sun’s energy, use it on all vehicles and large buildings and trap and use the energy, the problem would be greatly resolved. 😅
All things are impossible - until they are not 👍 I like your thinking!
Many have been working on it for years. ClosestbI have seen is a uni in scotland
I do agree as the small gains do not meet the extra cost to put them on the car. However, this doesn't mean they will never be able to be used in the general population cars in a future time.
Easily could be that solar collection becomes so cheap it can be done *eventually,* one of last places u want solar panels *today* is on a car.
Exceptions for camping rigs, last place I want to park is in strong sunlight.
When light efficient perovskites come in solar will have a useful role on delivery vehicles, buses and trucks with large roofs. Firstly because extending range and free power is valuable for commercial fleets as charging causes down time and cost. Secondly these are also the vehicles likely to be exposed to the sun all day, not parked inside or in shade. Won't really be worth it for cars with extended range from improvements in battery density.
I disagree as well.
The weight issue of solar panels is just a today issue. That weight is coming down. If they only weigh 20kg today (which includes frames and other bits) then that's not that heavy. And the weight will come down over time as more efficient panels means a small face required to get the same amount of energy.
Sure, here in Yorkshire, we might not get sun all year round but my car sits for days at a time not moving. If it even adds 3 miles to my car over a summer day, that might cover much of my about town driving a few times a week. I fully understand that no solar panel will ever charge my car from 0 to 100% in any normal time, but as my car sits a lot doing nothing...why not get a charge for no extra.
GoSun for £3k is expensive though but would do the trick.
But in a non Yorkshire centric world, solar panels on cars could be a game changer for many. I'm off on my holidays to the Greek islands shortly. I know for a fact my car there will drive 5 miles and then sit in the baking sun until I am crispier than the bacon my Mrs makes 🤮 and then we drive back to the apartment, and repeat, for 14 days. That journey is 10 miles round trip. If an EV has panels that adds even 5-10 miles a day to it, the time it would take to go completely flat would be most of the summer. One full charge, loss of 2 miles a day due to charging for free, (made up numbers obviously) then it would be 100 days of driving on a single charge...
Heck, half the size of the battery, cheaper lighter car, less range, but perfect for beach goers as you park in the sun and Robert's yer father's brother.
I totally agree if you use your car often, and for long distances solar panels are pointless. But most cars sit 23 hours a day...
Wear sunscreen 🧴 😂 Thanks for your comment 👍
@@TeslaJigsaw I'm a Scotsman that's been living in Yorkshire for over a decade...I need Sun Factor Parka in winter.😅
I want to deep dive into solar pv on vehicles. What is current tech, how may that improve, what energy could currently be produced, how might cost of light weight high capacity pv change over time. What are the solutions to the negatives?
The short answer is don't bother with adding cost & complexity of solar on cars. Have EVs run on sustainable energy - be that from the Grid, or your own home Solar/Battery
Adds unnecessary cost to the price of the vehicle and makes no meaningful difference. Just put solar on the parking lots and roofs add some batteries for distributed power grid and call it a day. The real issue is all the power companies in the southwest who put fees on solar to protect their monopolies on power generation.
Great argument against Aptera. 👍
I hope they make it, I’d love a go in one someday! In places like California, it would be brilliant
If they manage to increase the efficency of solar cells, then solar on vehicles may be viable.
It’s ironic that you’re talking about about negatives of solar on EVs while showing actual solar EVs 😂
You make some good points, but while it might be unnecessary on a Tesla with a 70 kWh battery.
I’m building solar panels on my Toyota Prius Plug-in, which has a 20 kWh battery. Even just 300 watts of solar panels can add a few miles per day! I ☀☀☀☀☀
f you’re skeptical, feel free to check it out-this is based on practical experience.
Please don't delete my response; you’ve raised some excellent points, but the situation is more complex than it might seem.
The number of miles per day don't change with the battery size, but hybrid vehicles is a good target. Electricity made by a small combustion engine is quite expensive, around the prices of fast charging, so that could help getting the economics to work slightly better.
Yet again, a solar discussion that leaves out all the vehicles already using solar to run camping fridges, camp lights and any other off grid needs. When I get an ev it will have solar which will make up my camping needs and cover parasitic drain.
This should be clear to everybody 😂
Hurray! 0.17 kw per hour in full sunlight!
Why that’s one whole kilowatt after 6 or 7 hours of sunlight!
Incorrect use of units. Really takes away from your attempt at sarcasm.
If solar energy was enough for movement, plants would have developed legs ages ago.
And if man were meant to efly, God would have given him wings. Next...
I have built a lot of off grid homes using SIPs. They are very cheap to build and I will help anybody to achieve their dream free of charge.
Well that’s mightily generous! I may just ask for your help someday. Structural insulated panels seem a great choice (seen them used on Grand Designs a fair bit!)
SOLAR FRICKEN ROADWAYS!!!!
Now that was the dumbest idea ever!
How about.......Build a solar plant?
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If you run of out electricty a mile from home you would wish it did have a solar roof. Wait a couple of hours and finish your journey.
Might not work so well in England 🌧️ 😂
@@TeslaJigsaw the sun shines sometimes
nah.. you need kilowatts of power... a car cant drive with a "100w" panel on the hood..
doesn’t do much at this time however… 🎉
There's never been a time that I thought this was anything but a really dumb idea. Almost as dumb as green roofs, or waterless urinals. Maybe even as dumb as microwave popcorn. That is, pretty effen dumb.
But before you decide I'm just a total Debbie Downer, here's what I think is a really cool idea: A light, foldable set of solar panels that you can take with you when you might want some juice and the Grid is not handy. The panels can double as parasols if that's helpful.
@@stix2you You may be able to contrive a situation where it makes sense. The Aptera has some of those characteristics, but that's just it-it's not the kind of car to suit anything but a niche market. You say remove the drag and rolling resistance, but that's just it-it's not possible to do that completely. And if you don't have easy access to charging from external sources, and if you're driving a lot of the time, it might make sense to try to do that with some permanently mounted panels. But let's say you're parked most of the time, you can set up panels you brought with you, and you can orient them optimally, which you can't do while driving down the road.
It's just going to be a very unusual situation, with an unusual kind of car, where that works well at all.
Keep dreaming
Will do
*The extra cost and weight makes it of little benefit for the standard car, having aero rim covers and tires inflated to correct pressure would do much more.*
How much weight would solar panels add to a 2tn car?
@@colinwiseman *Enough to remove half the benefit of having solar added due to limited area available and extra cost, many weight saving measures used by Tesla, adding 300watt/hr to a car means little to a 60Kw/hr battery.*
@@colinwiseman Not much ; maybe 25lb with wiring. Solar panels are super light. 500-700w of solar would translate to about 3 kwh per day for an average vehicle and that is 10-12 miles of travel for a model 3 or 30 miles for Aptera.
Both my Teslas are solar powered ... they charge everyday from the solar panels on the roof of my house. 😁
The simplest solution is usually the best 👍