Comparing FX Impact M2 Vs M3 & Pellets vs. Slugs - Fun Range Day
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- čas přidán 5. 02. 2023
- We just went out with a MK 2 Impact and a tricked out MK 3 Impact.
The MK 2 is the cameraman's, mildy modded n tuned:
Tuned (by him)
huma Dual Hole Transfer Port
Matched Pellet probe
JSB 44.75 .30
700mm
DonnyFL Shogun
SWFA 3x-15x Scope
Originally did not have the larger power plenum, converted
The FX Impact M3 is FULLY loaded with pretty much the best accessories you can buy for the gun.
Kraford & Lypt KLS-3 Adjustable Buttstock
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Extended FQD(female quick disconnect) adapter
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Saber Tactical Cheek Riser
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Saber Tactical Bag Rider
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Accu-Tac Precision Scope Rings With Levels
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GRS Top Mount Bipod
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Saber Tactical FX Impact Arca Swiss Rail
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Donny FL Shogun
(currently unavailable)
Element Optics Titan 5-25x56 FFP
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kraford & Lypt FX Impact GigaRail 2.0
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we had some fruit to blow up so we loaded some .30 JSB 44.75 gr and tried to time it to record 960 frames per second. We didn't time it perfect, but got some decent shots :-)
Thanks for watching guys, if you have any questions, feel free to comment down below, or contact us directly - Sport
From the shop to outdoors, Joe keep up the Great work with the presentation and shoutout to the team for keeping up to date in production. AGFS supporter.
Thank you very much!
Safe shooting!
You are one of a kind, Joe. Your videos are so informative and understanding to novice shooters or people wanting to jump in. You make it understood that buy the weapon, take it home and learn how to shoot. Then bring it back for a tune, or purchase additional equipment. Lots of places sell you the weapon, then tell you, you need to add an additional $2000 or more to the rifle. That's scary! Most of us come from a BB gun, low budget CO2 rifle, then we try and jump so high, expensive and quickly to a very expensive weapon. Thank you for this excellent video and God Bless You and your loss.
Richard, Thank you. Stay tuned for our next video (we will be shooting today). It will be an EXTREMELY accurate, European-made PCP with a feature most of the big boys don't even have. ALL that, for under $999!!!
Hey Joe, ive stumbled across a few of your videos today and i am enjoying them very much! The FX guns really are something special! I cant wait to see more from you in the future!
Thanks Nathan, I appreciate the kind words and we are working hard at the youtube game, its a bit demanding but amazing to hear feedback from all over :)
@@AirGunScientistHello, good day, your videos are super enjoyable, thank you, my friends are betting with me, I showed them this video and they remained silent :). No slug in the world can have better accuracy than pellet. I am telling the truth you think?
Thanks for your video, your time, and your love of all things airguns. Been too long since i've been in the shop.
Thank you very much for that statement. Have an AWESOME time shooting. Cheers.
Wow, out of the box accuracy! Been trying for 4 years to get my MKII .25 to group good. Did pick up a tip from you about the light hold and cheek off the stock so will hope for an improvement utilizing that. Great video, very interesting, informative, and relevant.
Very informative video, just picked up M2 and learning, subscribing for more informative content that easy to understand!
Welcome to the FX Family!
great video man, nice to see !
Thank you so much!!!
Hey Joe I just started watching your videos. I like them, I love your willies we had one growing up I can't remember the year but it looked just like that 1 and we had a Corvette engine in it and we thought we were so cool,in high school but it was My dad's he would let us take it to the high school football games. It was a screamer!
Keep up the good videos
Stayed tuned. We'll be doing a video on a few Willys that I have.
Excellent video your truck is awesome!
It is a 1949 WILLYS Station MADE IN AMERICA. 630HP We'll be doing a full video on it very soon.
Thank you Joe for the Video Pellets vs Slugs...
Norm, Thank you for the positive feedback.
Awesome truck Joe!!! Awesome guns too !!!
As per a viewer's request, we are going to do a video on the Willys.
hell yes a video on the truck.
If enough ask, I'll do it.
nice truck, Joe
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If there is enough interest, I'll do a video. It has "a bit" of HP ;-)
Nice guns and nice shooting but holy cow NICE TRUCK!
Lemme gno if you want me to do a video on it.
Thanks for that Joe! I've always thought of the Impact MK1 as a pellet gun; the MK2 as a pellet gun that could shoot slugs and the MK3 as a slug gun that could shoot pellets. People complain about all the marks being released but I see it as FX listening to what their customers want. The accessories can be a real rabbit hole but they are optional - unless you are into serious competition where you have to buy every advantage you can you don't need to spend the money unless you want 😉 My stock .22/700 MK2 shoots JSB pellets very well with the factory tune straight out of the box with reasonably priced Element Helix scope.
I'm waiting to see a Panthera video (hopefully a .22/700) video from you!
Cheers!
we just uploaded part 1 (will be available to watch at 8am PST) pt2 will be the more fun part but have a watch :)
@@AirGunScientist thanks Joe, I'll check it out!
great video, subbed :)
Thanks for the sub! Talked to a Passalacqua from Italy on my Ham Radio recently
Thanks for a very informative video. I just got a Maverick in 22 cal and was thinking of setting it up for slugs but don't think I'll have to for the distance I'll be shooting. Will try different hollow points to see which one will work best. 👍
As far as I understand the mark 2's were optioned with the gray metal center but the Mark 3 were not offered with that option correct?
The consensus now is that slugs are more accurate past 75 yards especially if there’s a breeze and the slugs, hold more energy when hitting a target. Many of the FX gun pros are exclusively, shooting slugs now.
I can’t seem to find any kind of test showing exactly how much energy a slug will produce compared to a pellet at 50 yards or 75 yards. Is it 25% more energy is it 50% more energy?
where did you get the level that's mounted inline with the rail on the MK3? enjoyed your video.
We sell those with the rail.
I am considering the FX Impact M3 in .30. I want to set it up as a slug gun. I like the rear monopod you have. Glass is always a challenge and I also like the higher power scopes.
Agree on both points!!! I love the monopod in the rear (I set up my personal Impacts with them, which eventually customer pry out of my hands :-) )
Good glass is a MUST! I put a Titan on my rifles!!!
Cool Jeep
You should have a big time shoot at your range Joe! This sport is growing at a rapid pace!
TBH, It was to open last year, but my mom was having a very hard time with terminal cancer. I basically focused more on spending the last few months with my mom back East. She passed just before Thanksgiving, so between that, the holidays, mourning, etc., I lost all focus. I am going to refocus on getting our monthly Field Target matches up and running ASAP.
@@AirGunScientist that’s the hardest thing for anyone to go through. Totally understandable, so sorry for your loss.
What is the Crono you are using
I just shot some 44.75 grain lead pellets out of my M3 Compact at over 860 fps yesterday.🤠🇺🇸
Hey, what pressures and configurations do you have on regulators to do this FPS ?
Basically the M3 I just pulled off the shelf, so stock settings. We don't 🍒 Cherry pick our rifles for the videos.
Aloha Joe. Liked the video. Only thing is, I would have liked to see your aim point on each of your shots. A through the scope camera could show your aim point in relation to your hit on target I believe. Many of the videos don't show this relationship. Would be nice to see that relationship. Mahalo Piha!
I was thinking EXACTLY the same. I'll set that up for next time.
You had the chrono on when you shot the first couple of slugs. So, you are claiming the harmonics changed after turning, not putting, it on?
Hi Tom. I am stating that the change in harmonics by adding weight to the barrel affect the POI (Point Of Impact). Sorry for not being clear, I don't use a script.
Cheers
Two things......If you twist the cable reel, and I know it is heavy, you can make the
target more perpendicular to the camera, which could make it easier to see.
Second, is the Mk3 usable by a left handed person? This is the first time I have seen
one and it is hard to tell. There are no airgun shops in this state and I am looking
into buying an air rifle.
Steve, Thanks for your reply
1) The MK3 can be changed to LH cocking.
2) As for the cable reel (target backstop) not being perpendicular to the camera.
A) The shooter is perpendicular to the target (most important)
B) The camera is expensive, and can not be in the line of sight, so it is moved off the the left or right for such shots.
I hope that answers your concerns.
@@AirGunScientist Thanks for the reply. As a retired
photographer, (30+ years) I understand what you are saying, but with
your experience I'm sure you could back up the camera and zoom in
a bit and not risk the camera.
As for the option to use it left handed I was wondering if the magazine
would get in the way of my left cheek? Thanks again.
Hi joe it would have been nice to know what the regs were set to see if the if all the upgrades on the m3 uses less reg pressure to obtain the same speeds thanks for sharing
The MK3 uses less pressure, since it has the larger plenum.
@@AirGunScientist thanks joe do you get more shots or less buddy
Nice video Joe. You know the Hybrids need to be shot at 960 FPS. I was shooting my Impact M3 .35 caliber yesterday at 50 yards and it was shooting the 68 Grain Hybrids at 960 FPS, and I put the 18-count magazine in one ragged hole that was about 1/2" CTC. I am wanting to shoot my .35 caliber in the Magnum Power Challenge at RMAC this year. If is shoots better than my Texan LSS .457 out to 300 yards, then I will use it. My Impact MK II 700mm barrel .30 caliber in the 100 yard benchrest, & speed challenge. My Impact M3 .22 caliber 700mm barrel is for the Precision Marksman Challenge. The slug that performed the bast out of the Superior Heavy Liner was the NSA 31.2 grain. I am fine tuning it at 50 yard zero to shoot no more than a 1/4" CTC. I am almost there with it. Aim Small, Miss small. The Hybrids shoot out of the standard superior liner and shoot amazing. My Impact MKII .30 Caliber is my most accurate, and consistent FX Impact. My .35 caliber with 47 shots yesterday in a shot string I did has these results. High: 970, Low: 953, AVG: 962, Spread: 17 FPS, STD Dev: 3.4, All my Impacts have as average STD Deviation of 3.0 or so FPS.
That is great feedback. We're setting up an Impact MK3 specifically for slugs. Great Info! Thanks
@@AirGunScientist your welcome. Let me know if you have any questions, as I have been fine tuning this with the carbon fiber sleeve, shroud and tuner, since last summer, and I am getting better consistency once I turned up the power to get 997FPS to 1,000 ish FPS. Now I should be able to shrink the groups and get the repeatability. I shoot the 5 shots groups for tuning purposes, but I will also shoot 60 shot plus groups to see check the repeatability. Those groups are no more than a 1/2” CTC at 50 yards. I will have three to four slugs go through the same hole, and then some will go a little off course. I am trying to stop those from going off course. That’s what I am chasing in the fine tune.
What is going on with your scoperings on the m3 ? I think the Ring wich you have mounted in the front belongs to the back and opersit..... Maybe i'm wrong and that is sniper Style..regards
Great question. Answer: The Accutac rings have levels on each ring/mount. Therefore one faces rearward for the shooter, and the other faces forward for a sighter or someone in addition to the shooter.
@@AirGunScientist oh nice
Hi Joe what truck is that? it looks old school and sweet
It is a 1949 WILLYS Station MADE IN AMERICA. 630HP We'll be doing a full video on it very soon.
Hi Joe, I am ordering a M3 in .22 snipper. I can find everything I want to put on it except the top rail you have. where can I find one? Thanks for your time.
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Hi Joe. Where is your range located?
It is in South Orange County, California. We'll be advertising where it is in more detail after we have it set up. For not, it is private.
@@AirGunScientist Can't wait till you let people know, I have been looking for a closer range near orange county. I am also looking to do some pest control.
how much does the mk3 set up your running cost?
I'll have a link posted with all the goodies by the end of today.
@@AirGunScientist thank you
@@shanebarry7469 all links updated in the description
You can drop $3000 pretty easy if you are starting from scratch.
ill take the land cruiser right now!
Ugggghhhh, It KILLS me when people call it a Land Cruiser (which copied my vehicle so well, that is why it is confused as a LC). It is a 1949 WILLYS Station MADE IN AMERICA. 630HP We'll be doing a full video on it very soon.
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great video but on your m3 lol if you look at 22 mins you moderator spins when you touch it. That can cause accuracy issues.
Good catch! While it didn't affect the accuracy, it sure is a good point to check one's moderator for tightness!
Thanks for catching that.
Noticed the moderator was very loose when you got the poor results, moved when you took chrono off.
sounds like you got wrong pellet weight in the chrony
Correct. I never even entered it. I was only interested in velocity consistency. Not FPE.
Sir,how much price?
Starts at $2000 USD
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Super Snipers focus down to 6 meters. Have one on my Warcat. Squirrels do not like it though!
Cool Beans!!!
You had the chronograph on the gun when you shot the good group with the slugs just a mistake on the shooter for bad group
yeah i did have the chrono on, these long days of shooting hard to pay attention to everything that happens throughout the day :)
Infatti nn stiamo a sindacalizzare il tiratore che avrà fatto TT il possibile per fare bene la FX e un ottima arma se tunnizzata originale fa caga
Hybrid slugs start grouping good at 957+- fps
just the hyrbids or others lugs too, like nsa's ?
@@AnthraxVX i’ve shot hybrids, nsa and zans and they all start to group better from 960-1000 fps. It can vary depending on which barrel liner/length you use.
868 is tooo slow for slugs they need to be fired around 925 to 960 I get one hole at 50 60 70 80 yards then they open up a bit
The m2 impect has done new no has done that before
I don't know how those groups were possible with those crappy stock barrels.
I honestly don't know what you mean? Those are typical of FX groups. How many FX have you owned?
@AirGunScientist I own 3 and I got tired of the inconsistent POIs and git a TJ barrel. I got a Maverick .30 and I couldn't get decent groups at all till I put a carbon fiber sleeve on the barrel. Call it harmonics, call it what you want FX barrels are their weakest category. Oh, and lack of power I gotta add.
as we can see from the result mk ii is more accurate than M3 with a bunch of accessories ........ that means in the end it's all about how we tune..........
This video was a horrible representation of how well these guns can perform. Yes, you must tune to exactly what projectile you want to shoot.
the mk2 is the camera-man's, tuned, hand filed transfer port / portmatched, power plenum, mk3 is fresh out of the box
Shooting the slugs too slow
Mr. Scientist, this is the first time I have seen one of your vids and these are my observations.
1. You said that if you put more pressure in the tank, it will shoot slower. The MK3 is a double regulated gun, Sir.
2. You had an accidental discharge just minutes after worrying about a car pulling up.
3. Shooting off of the wrong “MIL dot or MOA or whatever it was”. Oooof!!
4. How do I chrono-the-graph? Just curious.
5. Dumping you pellet tin once, with an almost repeat.
6. Letting a pellet fly without aiming it is very negligent!!
7. End this video with “straight shooting and safe shooting”? Really?
This was an awful representation of the gun, the brand, gun safety, common practices, and habits. Please do better. Please don’t fire anymore guns of any type. Go wax your Jeep thing and above all, you, be safe.
1: i think you are mis-interpreting what is said, this part of the video we are talking about the "slow flow" valve from the air-tank FILLING the airgun ;)
2: no accidental discharge in any direction towards vehicles, vehicles do not cross our path on this private land, and we are shooting into the side of a mountain. We are being extra cautious is all, closest a vehicle can come to where we are shooting is roughly 100 yards in the other direction, abundance of safety.
3: using the wrong mil-dot holdover, sorry it happens
4: not sure what you are referencing but im assuming you must be talking about something i mispoke of but im sure you will know what im talking about in context
5: mistakes happen, we leave mistakes in, only human
6: we are never letting pellets fly without knowing where they are going, again we are shooting into a direction into the side of a mountain where there are no possibilities for danger
7: yes
I really do appreciate your honesty of not editing out your bloopers, but this video was packed with them. You have new folks watching and regardless of you explaining away all my points, you truly are setting a bad example….in so many ways. I won’t keep trolling here but please, let the shooters do the shooting, and learn how to take some heart felt criticism.
@@Craizg35 As stated earlier. NOTHING unsafe occurred. We are shooting straight into a mountain. They are BEHIND us. We don't shoot even when they are behind us as a courtesy of letting them know we are there.
@@AirGunScientist I won't beat around the bush, None of us are perfect, but this video is unsafe, misinformed, and full of mistakes. Many new folks are watching and need to get the correct information. Please take responsibility for your video content!