Why Fedora is the NEW default Linux desktop
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Been a while...but has Fedora become the new default Linux distro for the desktop? The best all-round Linux desktop distro in 2022?
Time to explore.
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Good to see you back making Linux content
Ever since Fedora 30 or so, Fedora really has matured into a phenomenal balance between new and stable. It is the distro I'm using for work.
I tried and I didn't like it, I game on Linux and my Kubuntu never fails me.
Fedora kde spin ;-)
Is fedora noob friendly?
Im currently using popOs
@@Peter-yd2ok yea It's pretty easy to get set up
@@Peter-yd2ok no. Needs alot of customisation. Not a good optimised new user to Linux experience. Kubuntu mxlinux or linuxmint is excellent for noob users
Fedora and Gnome just tick all the boxes for me. Up-to-date but not broken packages, sensible defaults but still lots of customization options, software and leadership/community ethics that align with my personal view, and so on. I just never have to fight it to get what I want, and I'm always excited for new releases.
> but still lots of customization options
Try telling that to someone who uses KDE (where the user is treated like an adult and is easily allowed to configure so much..)
@@MrYossarianuk I didn't say "all customization options imaginable" ;)
@varun prasad it also makes it buggy as all hell once you've got it customized
@@MrYossarianuk Gnome has a very powerful extension framework that allows a great degree of customization, rather than implementing comprehensive customization as a core feature. This is can be cumbersome for a power user who wants to do heavy customization, but it's less overwhelming for the typical user who only wants to make a few tweaks. It also makes things easy for developers, since you don't have to take as many factors into account.
@@junelawson5719 I think disabling mouse accelleration is a pretty standard thing to do yet this can not be done without the tweak tools. I like GNOME but stuff like this just boggles my mind.
We've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 1 (and Red Hat Desktop Linux before that, to about 1995). The thing I like about Fedora is that it's not "their way or the highway" - the spins let you use whatever desktop environment you like, but with all the Fedora infrastructure. I personally like the Xfce4 desktop, so that's what I install - no switching desktops after the fact. Also, Fedora re-spins let you get the latest (approximately monthly) updated version of a release, so you don't spend a lot of time running updates after install. Also, a much underappreciated aspect is 'dnf history', which lets you back out updates and dependencies, or rollback the system to a previous update. While intended for production use, it makes trying / playing with software on the desktop easy.
I didn't know about dnf history! I'm on Arch and I have to make sure I keep a bunch of snapshots using Timeshift before I update. Trying to rollback on Arch after a bad update is a pain.
Dnf history sounds like a more sane approach to updating.
@@nicholas6900 Going back to a snapshot impacts everything that changed in the interval. Using dnf history is more surgically precise.
I think that you are correct on all of your observations. After using Ubuntu and Ubuntu derivatives for well over a decade, I recently switched over all of my machines to Fedora. I did so for the reasons you mentioned, but also because I was very intrigued by the rpm-ostree immutable file system technology. Although I am using KDE Kinoite and not Silverblie. It has definitely taken me some time to get used to doing things on a system with an immutable file system, but I have now totally made the switch. I can run all of the software I did on an Ubuntu based system using flatpaks and containers (big plug for distrobox here), but with the incredible stability and flexibility that comes along with using an immutable file system. I have been able to move forward and backwards and horizontally across various fedora builds effortlessly on a single install. You should add rpm-ostree as a reason why Fedora is becoming popular, although it is definitely not a leading reason for this. I don't think it is as mainstream yet as it will one day become. In this respect, I think Fedora is really thinking ahead for the future.
Good to see you back man! Really Missed these detailed insights!
Perhaps you put it in a way that makes sense. I started my Linux Journey in 2010 when I began to play with Zorin OS. As I got more familiar with Linux, I tried Fedora and absolutely hated it. A few years down the road, circa 2015, I tried Fedora again and still hated it. One fateful evening, after years of Manjaro, I got a wild hair and installed Fedora for a third time. Everything worked. The icons did not appear as hideous as before and everything just worked out of the box. The Gnome desktop environment quickly grew on me and makes it easier to turn into a power user. Their approach to keeping things vanilla works exceptionally well and helps new users learn and become more comfortable in new and less familiar environments. Is Fedora ready to be the new face of Linux? I think that's a guarded yes.
I've been in the Debian for work and Arch for play camp for about ten years now, and last month I finally decided to migrate over to Fedora Workstation 36 for my development environment. The experience has been really stable, I just wish Fedora looked like Zorin out of the box.
Always nice to see you Blaine! You were my entry into Linux.
WELCOME BACK, IT"S BEEN TOO LONG MATE!
I suspect some of the interest is reactive: some don’t like the direction of Ubuntu, but don’t want some of the stability issues that can occur with Arch and it’s derivatives. Fedora represents a compromise between stability and current-ness. I think folks previously held back because of Wayland and Pipewire, but that’s less of a deterrent now that these have matured.
I was wondering what happen to you, glad you're back. I'm running Fedora 36 on my Minisforum HX-90 and hearing a lot of people saying it's the best distro, I agree.
You are making awesome content! Clear and beautiful voice which is easy for beginners and non native speakers. Keep on ! Love your stuff
Great vid as always!
I'm currently trying out Fedora Silverblue. I thought it would limit me but I find it intuitive and the rollback function is very handy when you like to tinker with packages.
This is how it is for me too, it nice how it lets you still do things like unlocking encrypted drives on boot clevis & tpm or pci-e gpu passthrough
Glad to have you back!
good to see you are back again
For me it was the Community that won me over. A healthy and active community is a great place to learn your way into the Linux universe and Fedora has just that.
Welcome back to CZcams! We miss you, the best Linux CZcamsr😉.
I have done my fair share of distribution hopping over the past 20 years. However, I have finally been able to settle on Fedora as my daily driver for the past 4 years. It has a good balance of being on the latest package versions and stability. Glad to see Fedora getting a little bit of love
Now that's a name I haven't seen a while in my notifs. Welcome back!
Hallelujah, channel is active! Glorious! 🥳
Fedora stayed under the radar for the longest time with me. What finally got me was when I figured out that you can download the Fedora server ISO and essentially build your own spin. In my case, I love the look of the Pantheon desktop but loathe Elementary OS. I really wanted to love Elementary because it looks so good. The icing on the cake was when I learned how much easier package management with Fedora is.
Great work as always, and thanks for what you do!
As a KDE Neon fanboy I am now dual booting it with Fedora 35 gnome for a few months with several extension: dash to panel, blur my shell, arc menu/runner, bing wallpaper. And I have to say that I am really loving this experience as well! Like that don't actually have to upgrade with each release every 6 months, but can skip one and just do yearly upgrades as well.
You can do that now with Alma Linux/Rocky Linux, do the same tweaks and get ten years of support. I just want everything to work and I’m not looking for cutting edge software. Fedora’s drawback is it doesn’t really offer a LTS version like with openSUSE Leap.
You work on a stable Linux, then you run Fedora newest to take a look at the future and see the new stuff and if there are update bugs. I normally run flatpak with 3 to 4 releases back with all the updates applied. Reason there is so much buz, is the huge amount of changes going on with the kernel development, themes, changing apps extra. Liniux is becoming a go to adds free desktop that you can trust and get things done.
Astute observations. It remains interesting to watch the continuing evolution of libre tech -- an avocation of my own for ~24 yrs.
Welcome back Sir.
I tried fedora years ago and had a bad experience, just recently I switched back to fedora after a friend recommended that I try it again, and I'm blown away by how much is has improved and how stable it is, fedora is my daily driver now.
Welcome back dude!
I just recently reinstalled my small server with Fedora Server 36 and I can't complain. I had some trouble but those where down to a lack of experience with SELinux and Podman (or containerizing in general). Switching back to a Debian (Raspberry Pi OS) server felt like living in the past.
so happy to see you back again 💓 💗
@01:45: Hm, interesting statement, because while it's true that Ubuntu could do more to defend its leading desktop position, they haven't been completely sleeping on the job either. In fact, they're actually hiring for a new gaming related desktop team right now, which is a further commitment to their desktop audience. Even to this day, a lot of mainstream apps are ported for Ubuntu first and foremost and then ported over to other Linux distros by the community, which is good actually. Example: Steam officially only supports Ubuntu, because Ubuntu was the first mainstream Linux distro to partner with Valve in this regard. In the end, our community benefits from Canonical's leadership position, bc now Steam is available on every major Linux distro. This just goes to show how Canonical is good at partnering with the right ppl, even including partnerships with Microsoft, according to some of the ppl in my work environment. That being said, I do miss the flashy and trendy "Unity for everything" times and I still have fond memories of Mark's 12.04 roadmap burned into my braincells. Btw, Mark Shuttleworth is another plus for Ubuntu, bc that way it actually has a memorable face attached to their branding. A face that mainstream ppl remember when hearing about Ubuntu (like Steve Jobs + Apple, for example). This is something I would like to see on Fedora tbh. A shame Unity convergence didn't work out in the end, took a lot of courage and money to try something like that. Fun times, fun times. Anyway, it's true that Fedora is a great "bleeding edge" distro, but there a r e others out there that have pioneered just as many globally accepted mainstream standards. This includes the likes of Ubuntu and openSUSE Tumbleweed, the latter actually delivering the newest iterations of Gnome and KDE way before anyone else the last two or three release cycles. Just to name one or two.
In addition, Ubuntu 20.04-22.04 (both interim and lts) established a bunch of newbie friendly desktop standards for the Linux masses (tiny recap):
+ Triple Buffering for Gnome for buttery smooth and tear free visuals (one of the most important features ever, especially on Intel and Nvidia). A feature that has yet to land as default in anything outside of Ubuntu. Now even mini PC sticks can deliver a smooth 60+fps experience with Gnome, which was impossible before (Unity was miles ahead of Gnome in this regard too btw)
+ Gamemode preinstalled and enabled by default, a must-have for gamers nowadays
+ Out of the box easy power profile and hybrid gpu switching enabled by default
+ Easy proprietary driver installation, especially on Nvidia, but also for other stuff like Broadcom etc.
+ Default accent colors like in elementary OS
+ Beautiful dark mode theme and builtin dark mode switching before many other distros, including Fedora
+ While Flatpak support isn't the main focus on Ubuntu, Snaps are, which fit right into the Ubuntu ecosystem. Which one you prefer is up to you, some ppl don't like neither, but both have their pros and cons
+ Ubuntu actually introduced Wayland all the way back in 2017, but quickly disabled it for compatability reasons, thank god (was working like crap on my system back then). Nowadays it's the default on Amd and Intel systems, rightfully using X11 for Nvidia as of this writing, because Wayland just isn't ready on Nvidia yet. It's great on Amd and Intel though
+ To me, Fedora's non-default DE's seem to lack the polish and Flatpak implementation that many other community projects are capable of incorporating, but this is only going by my personal side by side comparisons thus far, so take it with a huge grain of salt
+ Ubuntu has managed to encourage other ppl to produce some of the most popular offspring projects and DE's, such as Elementary OS and Linux Mint
And much more. Just to name a few ofc. Indeed, Systemd really is interesting from a technical standpoint, but some would consider it highly debatable for security concerns due to some ppl seeing a connection to the US, Redhat, the NSA and other surveillance parties (not necessarily speaking about myself here, bc I'm more neutral about the entire subject). All in all, love Fedora, use it alongside Ubuntu and Tumbleweed myself, but I do think it still has somewhat of a challenging way to go before being able to fully compete head to head with the likes of Ubuntu. For sure, Fedora has the - potential - to become the new default and go-to Linux distro, but I honestly don't see it happening the next one or two years. Glad if I am proven wrong though! Ppl like ProtonGE, a Red Hat employee (?), doing their best to further improve gaming on Linux / Fedora is a step in the right direction. Whatever the case, great stuff for us Linux users. There is so much development going on, I'm pretty sure Linux for the masses is going to see a huge jump in overall mainstream desktop adaptation by the end of 2022 - 2023. All the big and smaller names are contributing heavily in this regard, one way or another, it's only a matter of time now. In the end, it doesn't matter which distro gains more mainstream momentum, or which Linux distro becomes the defacto standard on the desktop, because whichever distro it is, it is going to be a milestone that will benefit the entire community once all is said and done. Competition is good. Where other ppl see fragmentation, I see the freedom of choice, which is good, makes it easier to cater to all the different tastes out there.
I been on fedora since the core days when Redhat went paid. I seen it coming this is not fedora growing up but linix in general. Fedora always set its self up to grow with the kernel and not force any thing that linux did not need.
I moved to Fedora with Fedora 34 and never looked back!
Red hat Linux was one of the original desktop Linux distributions from the mid 1990's. They created RPM when other distros where using tarballs. So it's great to see their return to making good desktop experiences again with Fedora.
Fedora's default gnome is SO GOOD on laptops i had to switch away from mint and pop. One can add snapd support to fedora if theyd like.
use arch
Oh God no on snaps
Having started out with Debian based distributions, moved over to manjaro/arch, i am now using fedora. I am very pleased with it, though I am going to do a minimal install and build it up, as I find the default resource usage to be on the high end.
While I love pacman, I will say DNF is a very good package manager.
Overall. Fedora strikes a great balance between the arch and debian philosophies.
It's slowness is a deal breaker for me
@@ioneocla6577 I just installed sway as my window manager, and it's perceptibly the same speed as my arch machine.
I still need to nuke and replace the display manager, and a lot of the other stuff that I do not use. I already saved a gig of ram changing to sway from KDE. Two if I was coming from gnome.
@@asbjo i was talking about dnf not ferdora in general
@@ioneocla6577 eh. I hear ya. It is on the slower side when updating. But it's so flexible and well structured. Dropped another 500 megs from my startup ram usage by another 400 megs since my last message. 900 megs I'm at now. It was super easy due to the group list in DNF.
Whats going on, all the ARCH people are moving to Fedora, they will have to close the doors soon.
I have been a long time Linux Mint user, but just bought a new laptop and ran into missing driver issues. I tried a few other distros and settled on Fedora 36 Cinnamon spin (I just don't like Gnome). So far very happy with it and I will probably upgrade my other systems to it. It strikes a nice middle ground between the stability and polish of Linux Mint and the up to date features but very DIY nature of an Arch distro.
Good to see another fedora cinnamon user!! I keep telling people their implementation of it is so nice if you don't want your usual gnome or kde
I just built a new 12th Gen Intel DDR5 system, and other than needing to connect it to Ethernet to download the rest of the drivers, I had zero issues with Mint 20 Cinnamon.
@@gcvrsa My new system was an 11th Gen i5 Dell Inspiron. The missing driver was for the Intel XE graphics. It is quite possible I could have solved this issue, however there were a couple of other pieces of software that I use that were a little outdated in the Mint repositories. So I took the opportunity to try something different and settled on Fedora. This is not to say that there is anything wrong with Linux Mint, far from it, I still think Mint is excellent for when you want a polished distro that just works.
@@davethetaswegian Did you use the edge edition for your new hardware?
@@mayshack no I didn’t. I wasn’t aware of this edition.
Welcome back!
Love Fedora, been using it for years. I have used all of the major distributions and always return to Fedora.
In terms of it being the 'new default' I probably wouldn't go that far but it gets plenty of attention by podcasts and youtubers because it is very polished and has generally got the latest software or ways to get it without having to necessarily compile from source.
One thing people need to realise is that GNU/Linux is literally the same under the hood, so you can do exactly the same thing for Fedora that you do with if you implemented the same changes.
In regards to things breaking the install, if you push to a new version of the kernel that doesn't support your hardware properly or your graphics stack or there's some new implementation of these things you can end up with an unbootable system and getting to the grub menu can be difficult at times to get back to the old kernel, which is why having a live image that you can boot somewhere nearby is useful. Still these are things you learn with time lol.
As far as people suggesting packages are hard to find or 'not available' literally I can install everything out there. There's always an rpm somewhere, or if not, a tar file, appimage, snap, or flatpak or other means of getting whatever I want. In terms of proprietary drivers it's as simple as enabling rpmfusion or adding the repos you need. Sure this is yet another 'insider story' that some people may not be aware of, but this is not difficult and is way less effort than dealing with the aur or ppa's.
As many have already said Fedora is probably not for people brand new to Linux unless you are going to invest the time (as an experienced user of Fedora) to assist with setting up everything or they are willing to spend time asking questions and reading docs and it really comes down to use cases when switching anyone to Linux. If they can handle not having everything run like it does on windows or Mac OS and accept that not all games and software will be available (with the caveat of running a VM if they have enough spare system resources) then sure, make the switch, otherwise leave them wherever they're happy as it will be less overhead for you, the Linux evangelist.
To sum up, Fedora is very polished and a great Linux desktop if you are an intermediate user and like the RedHat way of doing Linux or need to work with RHEL/CENTOS.
All the 'complaints' in this comments section about Fedora are mostly due to misunderstanding how things work in Fedora.
you never used arch lol
@@sixdroid actually I have...and Gentoo
@@ryanhere7693 that's the reason you are using fedora lol.because gentoo. lol.
I’ve never fully gone Linux, but have mostly been using Fedora for any Linux use since Fedora Core 6. Even Linux on PS3 (OtherOS version) that I messed around with a lot was Yellowdog Linux v. 5 and 6, which were CentOS-based, which is Fedora/RHEL-based.
I just jumped to Fedora 38 from Mint (which I still like and always end up returning to) and its fantastic. I was able to install the third party codecs during installation. Its easy to install nvidia drivers. Gnome 44 is so good and its easy to just use Xorg (for me it works better than wayland on my old thinkpad with nvidia). Overall, fantastic distro and it might be where I am staying from now on. Great video
I started my Linux life with an early version of SuSE and Red Hat 6 (I think!). When I later returned to the Linux world I jumped into Mint which I loved, followed by Kubuntu when I fell in love with KDE Plasma. I'm currently trying out Fedora KDE and so far am very impressed. It will probably become my default distro soon. I'm moving away from Unbuntu based distro's for several of their design decisions including snaps.
With all this moving from one to another, I guess you don't do anything with your Computer or have many files LOL
@@STONE69_ Red Hat 6 (not RHEL 6) was released late 1990s or early 2000's I believe. So that progression has been over approximately 20+ years.
Hey look who is back!
Welcome back.
Love Fedora and have been using it for years. My only gripe is with graphics drivers. Still killing me here with no support for proprietary drivers and it can turn into a real pain. The number of times I've had to work my way out of a black screen after a reboot is just painful. Love the OS and enjoy using it, even for gaming and I'll likely stick to it for my home computer for the foreseeable future but let's get better driver support for graphics and I'll be very pleased.
Their philosophy is to restrict proprietary stuff, so it'll basically unusable until Nvidia/Realtek/Atheros, etc. release open source drivers (so basically never)
been running Linux mint for a bit now. My new SSD comes in the mail on Monday and have been thinking of making the switch to fedora. Think I might give it a shot!
For a while it was just "understood" that RedHat was the monopolistic linux that forced their way on everyone. As it turns out, the opposite is true. I distro hopped about a month ago for a good 2 weeks and landed on Fedora with standard gnome. It was the other distros with the endless tweaks that did it in for me. I use my pc for work, and Fedora 36 just works.
Yeah it's actually super refreshing that it's "boring"
I started using Linux in the late '90s. I tried a few distributions but preferred RedHat. It came down to the package manager, just liked RPM more than APT. More searchable, more command line options, etc. RedHat went full commercial and created Fedora. The only problem is Fedora version updates a lot, so I am re-installing every 6-7 months. (I don't like the upgrade, something usually goes wrong), I've just come up with a backup/restore strategy and accept it.
Good stuff I've been around since 4.2 I thought they could do it just didn't know if I would still be around lol miles and miles to go but still making progress.
When I saw the publicity surrounding Fedora 36, I thought I would give it a go so dumped my Arch based distro and loaded it up. I'm no fan of Gnome but it is not only eye candy but really works well too. Then there is the latest kernel installed too.
I wish I had gone to Fedora in before given the way the desktops are modified in other distros. Certainly recommend and I am looking forward to Fedora 37
Void is better than both.
Running fedora 36 on my lenevo laptop, works flawlessly.
I will agree with you as long as we're talking about just the gnome edition of fedora, their other DE's seem to have problems integrating well with flatpak applications.... especially the i3 edition.... Couldn't get it to work right for the life of me. Otherwise I absolutely love the fedora experience.
i3 imo is kinda bad. I don't think the i3 spin in fedora makes much sense. i3 isn't really useable with the default config
Try sway. Most of your i3 dot files should be compatible.
Well. Bitwarden flatpak on gnome 42 with dark theme have white title bar. On KDE is the same as rest of system. So...
@@Dobaspl have you changed the legacy theme in tweaks?
@@yeezet4592 No. Only changed theme to dark on settings. But for well integrating that should be not necessary.
Tried many distros. I always ended up again using Fedora. My daily driver now. Stable, fast...amazing
Me too
Small correction, OpenSuse was first who has set by default BTRFS for /.
I agree about the Fedora desktop. I posted a video in July 2019 where I saw the direction heading towards Fedora as a better Linux distribution over Ubuntu.
Fedora's the new default? Guess I didn't get the memo, I still install Linux Mint on my PCs. Guess I never was a Red Hat person. 😺
I have my whole family on Linux Mint, a Mint can be very Refreshing LOL
Fedora is just the current meme trend distro. It will eventually be something else. I predict openSUSE Tumbleweed will be the next meme trend distro that everyone jumps on the bandwagon with.
I use Fedora 37 for programing, this distro is amazing, the workspace workflow is very good
LoL... "programmers" don't use this kind of stuff... this is for "amateurs" like me...
Over two years strong now. Fully agree. EasyEffects with pipewire I've greatly enjoyed. 👍
He: you get all the latest goodies without sacrificing stability!
Me: watching the black screen after update.
The only problem is the trouble getting proprietary drivers working
They need some tool like the ubuntu driver manager
Fedora is really really good. I use it for everything and it's great. Moving to Fedora and getting used to the, back then to me, weird Gnome desktop environment, was what made me switch completely to Linux.
Finally😭😭 My man😭is back😭😭.
I'm split on Debian or Fedora, was using Debian but trying out Fedora now. Debian is very stable and simple, and Fedora with rpm fusion makes it easy to install packages that Debian doesn't maintain. But the packages are a bit behind in my case, so on both distros I manage them manually in /opt/ folder so. It's basically a tie for me between Fedora and Debian.
I use fedora 36 on AMD Ryzen 5 2500u first gen AMD CPU on mobile and it's very fast, fluid with only a couples of lag.
Hello there, it's been a minute!
I gave up on Fedora when it was Fedora 3. At the time, there were so many dependencies it drove me crazy. On a Fedora chat, someone told me about a new distro called Ubuntu. I downloaded it, and really liked the Debian way of doing things. Since then I've tried all kinds of distros, but keep coming back to Ubuntu. Maybe it's time to download a copy of Fedora again and give it another try.
Definitely give it another go, it is incredibly polished these days & a very good ‘just works’ distro
I keep wondering if I should switch to the latest and greatest distro. Then I just tell myself that they all have the sames packages so why should I switch to another distro and then reproduce my setup on it. I often try a live version of a new distro just to see what they offer as a starting point, but that is just it we are talking about starting points. You can get the same experience on pretty much any distro and they all have quirks.
I missed you ♥️
You've been doing an amazing job! Keep it up!
I was thinking about your vids the other day , yours were always the best out of Fedora . Fedora is becoming the default because it's stable and updates regularly . Another oddity I found with the gaming spins Like Garuda and Eggrolls' distro is games that work in Vanilla Fedora don't work properly in those spins , so the issue isn't with Linux as many claim.
I'll say that I just did an Ubuntu 22.04 install and was getting a lot of locking up and graphics artifacting without even doing much of anything. I chased some bugs around trying to squash them, and couldn't quite get anything to stick. systemd was going haywire, had heard something about that being connected to pulseaudio but I really don't know if that is true.
Anyhow, I gave up and installed a fresh go of Fedora 36, and right out of the usb everything is just good. Loving it so far :)
Fedora is popular with enthusiasts, I run it; but Ubuntu is still very much the default. Installs are still 20 to 1 or more. Ubuntu is just stable and boring.
I do like the way Fedora is doing things.
That gap is narrowing though.
It isn’t the same as it was in say, 2012 when Ubuntu was just _the_ Linux desktop
Probably bc big universities still use it in their Computer labs. My uni has around 500 PC and the Linux distro installed in the Dual-Boot is Ubuntu.
This is obviously anecdotal, but at least when I used them, Fedora seemed a lot more stable than Ubuntu. This being said, I don't use either distro as a daily driver.
I think this is more of a case of non-enthusiast users just being too apathetic to switch.
I'd like to see Grub customization video for Fedora. I just can't understand how it works compared to Debian/Ubuntu style 😄
Fedora KDE is the best implementation of the Plasma desktop. I would like to see Fedora push spins a little better on their website, a new user can't see they exist.
I used to hate RHEL for deprecating KDE but now Alma Linux and Rocky Linux have brought it back. You’re no longer forced to default to GNOME in an enterprise desktop.
@@NormanF62 I need to look into those!
If anyone wants to learn corporate IT as an admin then Redhat and it's CentOS cousin are big iron certified and have isv software certified. It's good to learn Redhats package management and Fedora is their test release for what gets added for RedHat's Enterprise offerings. Ubuntu is gaining a little in the aws space but many ERP software and on prem servers are optimized for Redhat and SuSE Enterprise
I tried Debian and Arch families, opensuse as well. I think Fedora is the best option for hardware support and work. This is my daily-driver distro
My default desktop is Debian Stable Cinnamon. It is clean, easy to use and has a very established development community. I have Win10 on one pc, but I rarely use it, it has been months since last time. Have been a Linux user since Mandrake Linux 1999, ran Ubuntu from 5.04 until Unity 12.04 when I began distro hopping. Ran Kubuntu for a couple of years, and Linux Mint Cinnamon which is a top tier distro. Revisited Mandriva a while back and they do not get enough credit for their distro. Set up Elementary to a relative two years back, Elementary is polished, simple and nice, but now sad to say with only one developer as I understand it.
I remember first using Fedora back in the early 2000s when it was called Fedora Core it was great back then and now about 20 years later here I am using as my daily driver haha
There’s RHEL and its clones and various Fedora-based distros and if you don’t find something that’s suitable in Fedora, the others will offer what you want.
There is definitely a buzz around Fedora recently. I learned linux on RedHat 7.x in 2003.. I was shocked that Debian was so different. And yes Ubuntu has taken a different direction a couple years ago.
Good video.
Fedora was the first Linux distro that I used. However, I found that I preferred rolling release distros over fixed release ones and switched after staying some years on Fedora.
I agree with your views that it strikes a decent balance between bleeding edge, ease of use and stability to be an option that first time Linux users can consider.
But as IBM owns Red Hat, there is always a risk that they will try to commercialize it and ruin it in the process.
commercialize it how? fedora is the upstream for their commercial product
Since I started using linux with fedora 3 month I'd say it's a great start
I used to be a small time streamer (gaming) 3 years ago (could not continue after a spinal trauma) but it was allready supper nice to spream and manage opened windows/desktops/screens.
Sad is that with almoast every version it messes up all costom settings and desktop setups but there is no other(anymore) close to the support of soft(aka lots) and simplicity of use.
Atm i am supper suporting and hoping the Fedore Pi distro will get some more love, needed a lot.
Ps been Fedora user since 2008 (everyday use/main os since 2015), tried few dozen other distros and ALL windows's since 3.11.
"Is Fedora the new default Linux desktop?"
- Always has
I've tried Fedora a few times and for me it's not a stable distro. Once it had broken the Cinnamon after updates on my desktop, another time after some updates my laptop was getting hot too quickly and the fans worked constantly. After installing another OS it was back to normal.
Fedora got pipewire right. This alone would switch Linux media creators to it and, as media creators are setting the trends, increase popularity.
Mate openSUSE Tumbleweed is terribly underrated and is also an RPM distro. It also has SNAPPER Rollback in the GRUB menu and TRUE full disk encryption which means including /boot.
Opensuse Leap ist using the same binaries as SLE, not Tumbleweed.
In a nutshell: Before Fedora 32 I hated it, now I am loving it
Fedora is my favourite distro cos it feels like a perfect balance between stabililty and bleeding edge. I currently have Fedora Mate installed on my HTPC with the default menu replaced with the advanced menu cos the advanced menu looks and feels much more modern than the default one which just feels outdated IMO.
Excellent review. I’m only a new user, a couple of months old, and I began with Manjaro which I enjoyed, but it was recommended I use Fedora as a daily driver. I tried it and thought it was great. Once I learned I could apply KDE plasma to Fedora I haven’t looked back since.
Methinks you only think it an "Excellent review" because you see it as justifying your decision to use Fedora.
@@CasinoWoyale Indeed I have a bias on two points. Firstly he is Australian as am I. Secondly I enjoy using Fedora, but I also use Manjaro and Solus. I like them equally as much. More importantly though I know how difficult it is to make these videos and finding a good reviewer is not easier. Communication comes easy to him. Hence an excellent review. If don’t like something I say nothing at all.
I really would love to use Fedora more, especially at work where RHEL is our standard work distro.
The one thing that is really hurting Fedora currently is needing to have better WSL2 support for Windows.
Canonical's relationship with Microsoft has made Ubuntu the default distro to run on Windows/WSL2, and this has really hurt Fedora. Fedora should have a much better WSL2 experience, but this is an area that RedHat hasn't invested enough time and effort.
If I were IBM/RedHat, I would try to build a better relationship with Microsoft and get better WSL2 support for Fedora. That would only help accelerate adoption of Fedora among a crucial user base.
Sorry to disagree, but I don't see advantages of been a default vm on a OS known from EEE. In my opinion, Ubuntu seems to be more appropiate for servers than desktops.
Why would fedora devs invest time into making it better to use someone else's OS rather than their own??
@@fabriciochamorro2985 Well, first, WSL2 is not a VM in the classic sense. It's an actual Linux kernel running between a compatibility layer that translates Linux kernel calls to Windows OS calls. It actually is much faster than a VM in a classic sense and for software developers who have to run Windows (there's a lot of us, trust me) WSL2 is a great way to run Linux and really shouldn't be underestimated as a valid place to run Linux.
@@kquote03 The thing is, you are running Linux from inside of Windows. Having the convenience of running Linux inside of Windows is a good thing for both Windows and Linux, and I would argue that there is a large audience of developers who would prefer to run Fedora under Windows than the default choice of Ubuntu.
If you have Windows, it is definitely worth giving WSL2 a try. It provides a much more integrated file system with Windows and you can read and write files between both operating systems. It is also much faster than running Linux in a VM like Virtualbox or VMware
@@RussFrizzell maybe I'm wrong but you are describing WSL, which didn't work propperly, ms gave up and use a vm(with some workarounds as you mentioned). I'm forced to use Windows and wsl2 at work, in my opinion this discoraged Linux desktop adoption (as I think is the major topic we are discusing here). Also this technology need more resources(vmmem service), which ends up in more e-waste.
I'll admit fedora is a solid desktop experience. It's stable, it has great software support, it shows how powerful the gnome+systemd+wayland stack can be. They're really setting a standard with existing open source technologies and I'm excited to see where this leads open source software, Linux, and the world of desktop computing as a whole.
Of course, I'm a hopeless kde fanboy as well as a compulsive contrarian, so I use openSuSE instead, but that doesn't stop me recognizing how far fedora has come over the years
The cinnamon version of Fedora is quite good.
I tried Fedora years ago and didn't like it. But they didn't have as many spins as they do now either (if you don't like Gnome). I've been using other Distro's over the years like Ubuntu (and it's variants), Linux Mint, Manjaro, Neon Plasma (along with Windows). While each has their advantages, I recently tried Fedora and like it. Although it does depend what laptop I have it on as some perform better than others (less error).
Standard unconfiguered gnome is vastly underrated by the Linux community for everyday use without fiddling with a bunch of not quite broken customization features. It's unsurprising that customized complex window managers periodically break, because it's literally too complex to test.
Fedora just works. And its pretty up to date.
I tend to end up back with Fedora for serious work. Although I have always used KDE.
Regardless of the base distro you use, it really needs better scripts for simple theme switching. I have yet to find any menu that is basic Windows XP classic style. :(
Fedora looks so great now because it is at the cusp of its development cycle, namely the release of the next version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux of which Fedora is the source. RHEL 9 was based on Fedora 34, and thus, it was very much a finished product, highly polished and functional.
But you just wait about six or seven versions down the line, when the developers introduce big changes and break stuff along the way. Don't believe me: ask any longtime Fedora users their experiences using Fedora 27 (shudders). That's why I prefer to run the second-to-last version instead of the latest, so that the bugfixes are already in place when I upgrade. Currently I'm on Fedora 36, and couldn't be happier!