Aptera Teases Their Next BIG Market Disruptor 👀
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All electric vehicles should have solar cells. Gaining 4 miles a day is better than losing 10 miles a day , whenever you're in a parking lot.
All EVs should be as low aero drag as possible. This is even better than solar cells - a lot of range is lost to pushing the proverbial barn door down the road.
More range from smaller batteries means lower cost, and lower weight. So even more range for a given pack - and *then* solar cells mean more, as well.
@@NeilBlanchard it’s the direction ALL EVs should take, if only just a little.
This. The increase in weight is minimal and most places get enough sun to make it useful.
Hmm… The panels aren’t cost-free though. If adding them to a more conventional car makes the car more expensive, then how many people will consider that to be worth it?
I think you’re right in the long run as presumably these will get cheaper and cheaper over time. I just don’t know if we are there yet.
@@PhilAinsworth-qy4ns That's why EVs need to be as efficient as possible - low aero drag and lower weight - so the battery is smaller and a less expensive, and you get more range per kWh. And then you also get more miles per day from the solar cells on the car. The solar cells do not cost as much as the savings on the smaller battery.
I was at Electrify Expo Long Beach this weekend and came across a startup called Polydrops. They make a travel trailer called the P21 and on the roof of that prototype are Aptera branded solar panels. The RV industry is a natural fit for Aptera and I hope this is the beginning of a bright future for the company. 🎉
RV manufacturers should take note.
I like the P19 Polydrops trailer too... a smaller one (but not too small) that would fit better with Aptera's rear flat-deck profile. I wonder whether the Aptera tail is at the same height as the front fold line of the P19 or P21?
It's the new polydrop EV trailer, I saw it at Electrify Expo this past weekend lol
The P21 Polydrop
Can you say more? What's an "EV trailer"? Edit - found it - its a camping trailer; that does look interesting.
@@NeilBlanchard sorry it’s not EV specific, but it’s made for EVs. It’s efficient and has onboard battery 5kwh plus the solar. They claim minimal range blosses while towing due to the shape and frontal area
@@samroy8628 Thanks for the additional details. It does look interesting; and reasonably aerodynamic.
Love the comment at 0:13.
"That's great and all, but can we get the car in my lifetime please."
Being a Canadian, I feel the pain.
The new polydrops P21 trailer is using these aptera solar panels. I saw it at electrify expo in long beach this past weekend. IIRC, the founder of polydrops said they were able to fit 1.5kw of solar up there. Pretty impressive.
I have a Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD. I drive 30 miles to the Denver airport 4 to 5 times a month and park for (typically) three days at a time for work. I'd HAPPILY give up the sunroof/glass top section and replace it with solar. After over two years I'm averaging 3.2 miles/kWh). Not sure how many miles/day I could charge with a relatively small surface area, but I'm guessing it could cover a decent amount of my miles. If Kia made a version with a solar hood plus roof, that could generate a significant amount of energy over three days parked in the sun.
One of the things I liked about Fisker's designs was the solar roof. It was a nice option to have on a relatively normal car.
I can see two immediate applications for Aptera's solar panels. One is RV applications. While RV's are not usually aerodynamically efficient, they do tend to have more surface area than an average car. And they need long term power sources for running AC and cooking.
The other is self supported panels for adding to the recharge of an EV while it is parked, possibly even an Aptera itself. You could make a sort of portable carport for a non-sopar EV or panels you can place on the ground to increase surface area.
I don't think these will be for households because they will be more expensive. But you could buy portable panels to take with you when you're staying with family.
Eventually, I can see manufacturers turning to Aptera for car mounted panels, but only pnce they start to incorporate Aptera's efficiency into their own designs.
Our company is buying a several BEAM ARC EV 2020. Kind of like a carport for 1 car. You can move it around since it’s not connected to anything electrical. Just maybe tied down so it doesn’t blow over.
It is amazing that so many people seem to be living in the dark.
My big glass roof on top of my Model Y would absolutely love some Aptera solar panels, even if it's not much free energy, it's not zero. I'd be Super down if it was like an aftermarket kit too.
Getting more miles from on vehicle solar is not as important as getting rid of vampire drain, or even offsetting the power use of things like camp mode.
With this It would be nice just not to have Phantom battery drain when parked
Is what I do on my ICE 4wd. It is very useful, tops up fridge batter, too.
Personally, I think the vehicle that already exists that would benefit most from integrated solar would be the rivian/amazon vans. While they do have larger 135 KWh batteries, they have quite a bit of surface area, and spend significant amounts of time in the sun. If you look at the square footage of all Amazon van roofs combined, that's a LOT of power that Amazon fleet isn't buying from the grid
This type of diversification through intellectual property is exciting to see! It only creates additional revenue sources for Aptera and helps to stabilize the company. Wise planning Aptera!
Aptera is affordable, electric and can power itself. No brainer !!
All other EVs even the Hummer could benefit from solar to help deal with the phantom battery drain they all suffer from when not in use.
The listed wH/mile for the Hummer EV is 636 wH/mile. 700 watts of solar would in theory might give you up to ~6.2 miles/day. But the 636 wH/mile number seems quit low vs real world reviews.
There was an optional mini panel on the Nissan Leaf that was purely to keep the 12V battery charged up.
My 2014 Prius has a Solar Panel and it functions only when the car is off and powers the fans inside the car so they are always on when the car is in the sun. This type of functionality can benefit any vehicle, cabin cooling, security cameras, etc
My 2016 Leaf has a small solar panel that trickle charges the 12v. These are the reasonable uses for solar on a car. Aptera has had to make too many impractical design decisions as it tries to make a vehicle that moves powered by solar.
I think solar panels are perfect for the uses you mentioned. Pretty much any car can benefit from solar panels if the panels didn't add too much to the cost of the vehicle. Being able to maintain the battery indefinitely with climate controls on while parked would be amazing.
@@BeerStein Impractical design decisions? The Aptera is the best designed vehicle I’ve ever seen. Peak efficiency > the ability to ride with 4 passengers once in a blue moon.
June 6 investment chat with Aptera.
Wonder how many side licensing agreements Aptera is involved with?
Just excited for Aptera, frankly. The combination of solar and efficiency is why it's the smartest way to get around.
Lots of things need a surface. As and when that surface can be solar at or near cost parity with existing options, it is stupid to no install solar. The sides of your caravan. The roof of your boat. It will not fully charge lots of vehicles, but it would guarantee you have power for your phone in an emergency, or can slowly get to a charger if it's not an emergency. Quadricycles are light enough to benefit from a cheaper solar panel e.g. the Squad Solar and Silence 04. Golf carts too.
Balcony solar is a good option - lighter versions of that would be potentially very useful.
There's lots of vehicles and lots of application which could benefit from curved or different solar panels. It's only a matter of time before they become embedded in lots of things.
Thanks for sharing! Id love to see more applications for Aptera's technologies!
Three words, solar freakin' roadways!
If you get what I just said and why, congratulations.
I remember!
@@TailosiveEV Awesome! I'm not comparing your video to that, but it made me think of it.
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If I had those solar cells that can withstand hail to charge LFP batteries on my carport for home would be nice.
Common residential solar panels can withstand hail........
Yes a very exciting story
One day, all cars will be designed to incorporate a solar component, and Aptera is already blazing the trail.
Although "brazing" is kinda cute, the phrase is usually "blazing a trail".
@@johnreeves7261 Thanks, typo. I have corrected it.
"a little more range Would go a long way" ;)
The solar was always a bonus, adding 40 miles on a clear day is adding a couple bucks a day at most to my wallet. However, the aerodynamic design will mean traveling at highway speed with less significant loss of range. And next generation solar cells will mean a massive gain in solar charging, which hopefully will be sooner rather than later.
I'd also add that if the solar cells on the Aptera aren't enough for your needs, auxiliary solar panels can be connected to the Aptera for more miles to be added, where it's convenient to do so. Again, no massive roof installation or inverter needed, just the Aptera and you plug in some additional solar panels.
I believe it was Steve that had mentioned/X(aka twitter) an RV company recently. I feel it will be a partnership to provide solar for them
There solar can be used in parking lots. If you use aptera composite to be the frame and support system then it would be safer and cheaper to build. Even on the exterior of large buildings and high way walls.
As an investor. This is awesome to hear.
Don’t put a period. In the middle of a sentence.
@@1Thir13teen3 😂😂😂Never said. I was smart.
@@TomiasM911No. But you are consistent.
My guess is polydrops campers
The P19 I hope
NEAT!
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What other transportation company sells solar… Tesla ( Tesla partnered with a a solar company to make their panels )
What other transportation company has a motor company for other than auto.. Honda ( generators etc )
GO APTERA ! Stay sunny and Mix it up! Hey …I need solar for my house !😉
More obvious vehicle types would be RVs, campervans, panel vans with the large flat roof area.
Also, what about panels mounted on the top of the trailer part of a semi / HGV or a travel trailer / caravan (like an Airstream)?
Depending on the durability of the panels, the decking on a small boat may also be viable. Other areas on a boat would be on top of a hard Bimini, casting deck and cockpit.
I installed 2 residential solar panels on a 20 year old Club Car DS - 6 seater a couple months ago here in cloudy Illinois. It has old lead acid batteries and the motor is not efficient like the ones with permanent magnets. Yes it is slow, but I average 3 miles per day(even when cloudy) without ever needing to charge it. When it is noon on a sunny day, It hardly uses the batteries.
If the batteries were lithium and the motor and controller was replaced, I don't see any reason it could do over 10 miles on cloudy day and stay fully charged. I think EV vans similar to the Canoo are a good candidate for solar on the roof. Solar is only efficient by direct sunlight and a van has a lot more surface area that can get high charge rate around noon. I am not saying that solar on the sides panels will not help, just that a flat roof will provide most of the energy during the day.
I think if the solar panel put horizontal rather than diagonal on Aptera will have more cells and more charge....
I have heard some complain about it only being a 2-seater. Driving down the typical highway I have started to notice just how many cars only have one or two passengers. This will be a great daily drive car.
It’s true! All data points to most cars on the road hauling an average of 1.5 people. HOV lane usually only requires 2 people
I just want an Aptera I can actually see and drive. Until I can butt test it, it’s just a pipe dream. I really hope Aptera can hold up to its claims. And I hope the rumors that they are working on a 4, maybe a 5 seater is true. If they can do that and deliver on the range and solar charging, Aptera will be the EV to buy.
Other ev companies trying to make their brand and car sales stand out is, not so much everyday huge power gains,but known for the longer a car does not drive the more the power for use later will be. A e fuel tank and mini power station for emergency driving times.
Thanks for the video. Am fun of solar applications as well and I was even thinking that instead of the glass on top of our Tesla why not solar, at least we can get some 30 miles while being in the hot blazing sun
No other EV is practical. Use this solar for stationary power generation.
Does anyone know if Aptera has thought thru the fact the car, sitting in the sun, will be so hot on the interior that it will take probably all the energy the solar panels created to cool it down. A simple "silver foil" windshield cover would help and boost solar production for the hood solar panels (although it would slow production on the dashboard panels).
If they ever make it to production and public deliveries. Big if
Sono Motors gave up on the Sion solar car. Partly because their automotive solar panels sold very well.
I think the original idea for the Tesla rear bed enclosure system was for that to be a roll off solar panel. Plus the space inside the front driver and passenger seats is an incredible amount of wasted area with a highly slanted windshield...again perfect for an interior solar panel....even an after market one. Per expectations no way to charge the vehicle internally for Tesla...never has been never will be apparently. That leaves only Aptera. Not even all of China which claims to be King of the EVs has a solar powered car.
What was the first one?
I have high hopes for Aptera.
So what you're saying is that the shell of a Telo Truck that turns it into a van is going to be made/covered in Aptera Solar? I can read between the lines !!
I'd buy them for my travel trailer. I plan to put them on the roof.
Solar on your roof is the cheapest way to run an ev plus it encourages people to buy them since it’s just free gas. Trying to make it more complicated than it is doesn’t make sense
Ya ya ya tell me when they start actually making a car
Will add more shares once ipo
Personally I believe this is going to be for solar roofs on homes and businesses due to the fact they appear to be more durable than standard solar
The solar tech Aptera is using is not "more durable than standard solar". Standard solar is typically warranted for 25 years or more. Aptera might offer a two year warranty. Five if we're lucky.
@@johnreeves7261 we don't know do we. 5 bucks says I'm right ;)
@@blakesterdrums1647 We KNOW most standard solar panels are topped with glass are warranted for over 25 years. It is quite reasonable to expect Aptera won't warranty ANYTHING on the vehicle for anywhere close to that. Keep your 5 bucks ;)
They've done snowball tests at I think 70mph.....I guess we will see.....if I lose ill donate the 5 bucks
@@blakesterdrums1647 "All solar panel manufacturers must submit their solar modules for testing to get a UL listing. The UL requirements include tests to prove that the solar panels can withstand hail to a certain extent.
The first solar panel hail test is a standard impact test. A 2-inch solid steel sphere drops from a height of 51 inches. The energy from this impact is equivalent to a 1-3/8 inch diameter hailstone hitting the solar panel at terminal velocity.
For the second solar panel hail test, a pneumatic cannon fires 25 millimeter (almost 1-inch) ice balls directly onto the solar panel at 52 miles per hour. The ice balls strike the solar panel in at least ten different locations. Then, the solar panel undergoes a test to ensure 95% or better energy production with no visible damage and no water leaks."
Aptera use the copper backed Maxeon cells I believe
Yes. They are more correctly known as Interdigitated Back Contact (IBC) cells. I've had the pleasure of working with such cells since they were introduced in the early 2000s.
Really cool! Have 6.21 kWh array of Sunpower panels on the roof.
@@Selene_M3 SunPower was available when I designed/built my roof top array almost 12 years ago but they weren't worth the premium price at the time otherwise I would have spec'd them.
My younger self would have loved to have had one of these, say 17 years ago. I'm afraid I'm locked into my Model Y for the duration, now, and it's a better fit for my needs these days, regardless. The Model Y efficiency is only about a third that of the Aptera, so addition of panels to the Y wouldn't do much beyond running the A/C or heat. I figure it would be more useful to carry a few portable panels with a portable "solar generator" (like the Anker Solix F3800, maybe) to use when camping.
But solar panels would address the power loss when EVs are parked which people forget happens since they have those large battery packs. It is there due to battery thermal management, the sensors and stuff are still active when the EV is parked and off. My old Leaf if I sit it for two weeks or more I usually have to charge up the stupid accessory battery to get it working and that vehicle has very little active when turned off.
@@madmotorcyclist I’m hopeful that a Tesla parked in a parking deck (out of the sun) with sentry mode off and very seldomly checked on through the app should maintain power for many weeks. OR I’d just leave the car at home and take a Cyber cab or Uber to the airport, or most likely just drive to wherever I’m going.
@@slowercuber7767 I realize my Leaf is really old EV technology and not familiar if Tesla's have a 12 volt accessory battery like the Leaf (which relies on in order to charge the main battery).
@@madmotorcyclist My 2023 Model Y has a Lithium Ion low voltage (~15V) battery instead of the classic 12V Lead Acid battery. The same issues can occur, but in general the new LV battery stays healthy longer, and may not need to be replaced. Yes, if the LV battery is dead, you'd have to "jump off" the tesla to get the main battery charging so that it could charge the LV battery, but that may never be necessary (unless you leave the car out in the sun in the summer and leave sentry mode on or check it frequently with the app. At least that is what I heard.
Elon musk should produce them under licence, joint venture he has the production capicity know how, and also has the same goal of greener automotion
Is Apterra planning on coming by 2030?
The Aptera concept is nice. The (lack of) implantation is garbage. Ship product or shut up. Looking more Elio than Archimoto.
Maybe Aptera should just bring a vehicle to market before talking about how they are branching out.
The open wheel front wheels and the single wheel rear wheel... will never make it out there in the big world in any numbers. This just keeps going on and on. Think of the Can-Am Spyder. Have you ever seen one on the road?
Probably Telo trucks lol😅
Its not very useful in the City. Its very efficient going 70 miles an HR but going 25 miles you are not very efficient
Per latest AOC interview, the PI’s will be at least 6 months late from the November/December Aptera Updates.
Perhaps focus on the vehicle?
Any revenue from their solar is likely to be peanuts compared with their current burn rate.
I don't remember seeing any interview with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that mentioned Aptera...
She is a hip, young, green energy lady, wouldn't be surprised if she did at least know about it lol.
@darthsirrius I believe she said “Oh no, Baby Girl”.
@@darthsirrius I believe they’re talking about Aptera Owners Club on YT.
@@OlympusAerial Yes, that is indeed the joke. Well done, you did it!
Great video, thanks for sharing, providing your analysis, well done Drew and agreed!
ΤESLA ,
Another sono story, they should start selling the Aptera before they lose focus.
Robotaxi?
Aptera needs money. They can’t afford to do anything but bring that car to production.
RVs
Is Aptera actually selling anything yet?
Don’t they need to just get out the door first??
Yea hopes and dreams!!!!
@@vicduenas84 And tee shirts and hats!
Its sounds great but Aptera has not delivered its first market disruptor so color me skeptical.
You seem to be unaware of the fact that Aptera just secured the investment from US Capital to get to production and Aptera just announced that it is going to stop accepting small investors in a couple weeks, because it doesn't need to raise more money.
Other than the so-called diamond LAYOUT "design" patent and a so-called "method of manufacture" patent, Aptera does not have curved solar panel patents. In fact, their latest patent application ( 18/169576 ) has been "final rejected", mostly because of non-novelty, by the USPTO.
"Aptera will begin production by the end of this year and will ramp next year". Hello from 2021
This is an honest show. Must you be mean?
You seem to be unaware of the fact that Aptera just secured the investment from US Capital to get to production and Aptera just announced that it is going to stop accepting small investors in a couple weeks, because it doesn't need to raise more money.
Solar on cars is largely pointless for now, if we started Space rated solar panels with close to 50% efficiency maybe but still, like me and others that can put our car in a garage so it would never make any sense.
FYI, current "space rated" solar panels are NOT "close to 50% efficiency". At the cell level it's the high 20's to, maybe, 33%
@@johnreeves7261 still that's 50% more.
@@johnreeves7261 Also the pay back on the solar is not reasonable per the cost. Unless the solar is really gonna cost less than 200-400 bucks.
There's a blender app out there that calculates the solar output of an Aptera at various lat/longs that demonstrates that you can get up to 40 miles/day for the Aptera and about 11k miles per year. Average daily mileage in the US is around 32-34 miles with 1.5 drivers so it isn't pointless.
@@darrenorange2982 No. It's about 33% more.
Maybe they can bring this other product to market. They don't actually make a car to sell. Something else to suck money out of there investors pockets.
You seem to be unaware of the fact that Aptera just secured the investment from US Capital to get to production and Aptera just announced that it is going to stop accepting small investors in a couple weeks, because it doesn't need to raise more money.
Too much blah, blah, blah… don’t overuse the editing function… take a breath, or a pause, once in while… it makes your narration easier to listen to.
Build solar panels 😂. They haven’t even delivered a car yet.
They are experienced in building solar panels and they are already building them. Using them to efficiently move a vehicle is the challenge and the groundbreaking experiment.
A car is 100 times more complex.
@lsh3rd Yes, building a car is complex, but there are hundreds of companies out there both great and small, building them for over 100 years now. So, no big deal. Efficiently propelling them with energy from the sun is the great challenge that nobody till now has ever achieved. That is where Aptera shines.
@@lsh3rd Only because they are designed that way. There are a lot less parts to an Aptera than a typical car and the nitty-gritty components (servos, wiring, etc.) are the same in typical vehicles.
@@madmotorcyclist it’s still complex.
Aptera hasn’t shipped a single vehicle. Vaporware…:
Have you been asleep? Aptera shipped one of their prototypes to Abu Dhabi where it did quite a few 'at speed' laps around a track, speed limited by the Abu Dhabi authorities. They also had shipped one to France or Italy i think. If that doesn't qualify as 'a single vehicle shipped' I don't know what does! If your statement is LIMITED by your own qualification that it has to be shipped to a 'paying customer' then that's a silly limitation because your intent behind your statement is that Apterae are only concepts, which any rational person can clearly see is NOT accurate.
Wow man sounds like they got huge revenue numbers then. Giving away vehicles not really the same as shipping a product to a paying customer. Free products do not get the same scrutiny and feedback that paid products would. They just gonna blow through all that crowdfunding money and leave you “investors” holding the bag like Nikola, Lordstown, Canoo, etc. sure they got cool concept vehicles but that doesn’t pay the bills man. Just remember I told you so when they announce bankruptcy.
@@doomtomb3 Wow, sounds like you've given us the warning then based on your extensive and expert knowledge. Now, just go away!
@@rchender you don't need to be an expert to spot a scam. You just need to be a fool to believe it.
Next time practice your script… what a waste of time… repeating-repeating-repeating… what do you think.?