Insomniac not equipped for that. They have only really ever done single player games, you would be saying the one studio that would be best is the one who has shown neither the capability or engine to do it? Not likely.
I just wish that they do a better job choosing which studios to give their ip to. Square Enix sucked and now EA is making a Black Panther game? Super weird
@@iraford5788 it was great but it is said that behind the scenes, square had to change the game because of The Avengers reception. That already says something about their strategies. It’s the same with Star Wars and EA. The only reason Fallen Order got approved was because people were fed up with how EA was handling micro transactions that they had no choice but to give Respawn a shot at a Single-player only game. Not to mention that that game was also full of bugs and after playing it a lot you can get tired of the gameplay loop. So in that sense Guardians was great but also not that well received either. The story and the writing was great because they do understand the source material but again, the gameplay left a lot to be desired.
I don’t think a marvel gaming universe needs to be done. Just do AAA marvel games that are high quality and feel different from each other. If the studios stick to that, then it will never get old and they can keep going with the IP’s
how could they forget about the Multiverse moment in Guardians of the galaxy game, you literally hear voices from Insomniac Spiderman, and the avengers game. its already connected through multiverse.
Insomniac already about to do the most iconic Marvel crossover that the MCU never could, Wolverine and Spider-Man, so it doesn’t really matter ultimately.
If all the Marvel games were under one developer I could possibly seeing it work (yes Marvel Games is in charge but they're on the publishing side) but no way this can work with how many different hands involved. Even if it was happening, I wouldn't want to. This desire to have everything be like the MCU is just exhausting, some things should be what they are and not connect.
I don’t think there is any way to do a full MCU style game-verse. But you could do some smaller versions of that. And both of these ideas center around Insomniac. Idea 1: work up towards a spider-verse game. You already have Peter and Miles as Spider-Men in the same universe. We know Venom is coming. And you could easily tease the Multiverse opening up in Spider-Man 2. With Spider-Gwen or Spider-Man 2099 coming through. Then, just like you had a Miles Morales spin-off, you do a Venom and Spider-Gwen spin-off leading to Spider-Man 3, which is a full blown Spider-Verse game. Leading to potentially more spin-offs. Idea 2: you already have Spider-Man and you have Wolverine coming, you are halfway to a Defenders game. Defenders are sort of a non-team team, a group of individuals with their own agendas who come together for a short time to fight a bigger threat. There is already precedence for Spider-Man and wolverine being part of the secret defenders in the comic world. You can easily introduce daredevil in a Spider-Man game, then do a spin off daredevil game and him being a lawyer easily connects to She-Hulk who is also a lawyer (and potentially Hulk). Now you have two more pretty traditional “Defenders” and 4 total characters leading to a Defenders game. And then afterwards all 4 characters can continue on in their own worlds until one day you bring them back together. So no I don’t think you can re-create the MCU in video games I do think you could do some fun things with comic book worlds. In both of these ideas insomniac would be making both of these worlds and he would only need Sony to invest for them to build out another team or two because they already have three teams and it wouldn’t take that long to build up to either a spider-verse game or a defenders game. 5-10 years, all under 1 studio and 1 publisher.
I'm so glad to hear that y'all are enjoying Rollerdrome. Cuz I straight up forgot about it and thought it was that roller champions game that's not doin so hot lately. So that's exciting cuz it looked fun, the art style reminded me of Sable which I loved, and that video of one of the devs that went around of her watching the trailer at the showcase was cute, I'm glad it's being well received
Yes but each game would need to be under one dev or at least one publisher. Otherwise it would just be a mess. Also, insomniac would’ve made a WAY better Avengers game.
No. Exclusives wouldn't allow it. And I don't want it. Let me play a game and not have to worry about if I'm missing out by not playing another characters game
I was really hoping they were going to do something like this with the Batman games. Would've loved a Flash game or Superman right after Arkham Knight to lead up to a Justice League game.
Wonder Woman made by Monolith sounds incredible. And I don't even like DC all that much. But they own the Nemesis patent (afaik), and that could be implemented really well into a WW game. And her kit just sounds perfect for a video game.
To Greg’s point, seeing as how the DCEU was such a let down for a lot of fans and has mostly been critically panned save for a few films like Shazam, Wonderwoman, and Aquaman, I think an interconnected game universe would be a good route for DC to go. We already have the MCU, I don’t think we really need a large scale interwoven Marvel Games universe whereas DC could really benefit from it. That being said, seeing Insomniac play around with other characters like Daredevil, The Human Torch, and Wolverine would be awesome and those games could definitely fall under the same universal umbrella without feeling like too much of a burden for Marvel Games to handle and without feeling like we’re rehashing the MCU in another medium
Really glad blessing played and enjoyed live a live. Whenever an absolute gem comes out in a genre doesn't really vibe with a lot of the KF crew, I worry that they'll pass it up and their fan base will as a result not check it out. Hoping that the insanely positive reviews this game has gotten convince people to check it out because it is truly special
I heard rumors Crystal Dynamics had started work on a possible X-Men game so if that is the case Crystal would be your best bet for actually having this happen. Frankly, they may be one of the only ones with the proper gaming engine to do it in the first place. I think it would either have to be CD or Square Enix Tokyo with help from Sony, or it would need to be Rocksteady.....which you should already know the issue there....
As a black man myself, I disagree with Blessing's point that there HAS to be black writers in order for the BP game to be great. Great writing and ability has little to do with race. I don't care what race the writers are, as long as the quality is top notch and they do their proper research and due diligence. Doing a great job is not dependent on race -_-
But didn’t the movie benefit from having black writers and a black director because they understand more of what the experience of black people are and were able to use that to insert great commentary into the film that definitely wouldn’t have been the same with white writers/director? As a white dude I would be uncomfortable with white people leading the writing and directing of this game because if they try to make any sort of commentary on a black person’s experience it’s gonna come off as disingenuous. Killmonger is a top tier MCU antagonist because the writers actually knew the experience, frustrations, and dreams of a black kid from Oakland. If the game wants to have the same level of commentary, I personally think having another white dude write it would be a weird choice. (Also not to mention the lack of diversity and voices in the industry already. It’s not just for goofs when Blessing shares a character creator that has terrible a limited options for making a black character)
@@BarrettCourtney Great writing is not dependent on race. Just because someone is black, white, Asian, etc, does NOT mean they are a great writer. A great writer uses their resources, speaks to different people/races to get different perspectives, learns about different cultures, etc. The main reason I do not agree with this is because this will eventually become "Only this race can write about this race". So only black people can write about black people? If I was a black writer, I would like to try and write many different types of characters, not just my race. How am I supposed to grow? Learn different techniques? I simply do not like this box being put on creativity. Yes, BP is a great movie but the way I see it....it is a great movie because the people involved were incredibly talented and also happened to be black, not because they were black and happened to be talented. And I would love to see them use their creative talents that goes outside of just making "black works", if that is what they choose to do. To your point about it coming across as disingenuous, that does not make sense to me. So it comes across as disingenuous when female actors write and voice male parts? How about vice versa? That is a extremely dangerous way of thinking in my opinion.
I think an MCU within games could be good, however I kind of like the Marvel games being individual. What If..? showed me that I like individual story telling a lot more than I thought I did, and there's a lot of comics out there that are impossible to explore within the MCU at this point, I don't need it all to be tied together to enjoy it when we could instead get a separate story that may or may not feature characters from other games that aren't actually from those games.
I 100% agree with Blessing on Black writers needing to be a part of it. He never said they need to all be Black which is why i’m baffled by the comments and push back by Greg. The Avengers comment isn’t apples to oranges as we know Avengers isn’t a solely Black character or story. There are nuances that a lot of people i presume did not catch when watching Black Panther. I We can watch the same movie but not have the same experience
What I would much rather see, is make a full scale open world spiderman noir, and 2099 games, that culminate in a spiderverse & shattered dimensions inspired story. A 2099 game has always been my dream especially from Insomniac. Just imagine how fuckin cool the open world would be, with the web wings!
You can absolutely have all Marvel (or any IP) games take place in the same universe. The complication is getting them all to build up to something big like the first MCU movies did to Avengers, then to Infinity War, etc. -- and you don't have to do that. Just treat it like the comics -- all of these unique adventures are happening independently of one another. If they happen to cross over at some point, great. As for breaking canon, do be cognizant of stepping on things that have been said in other games, but don't let that get in your way of telling a good story and doing what's best for your game, unless it's an earth-shattering moment everyone will notice. 99% of players won't notice, and of that 1% who do, 99% won't care. There are countless such moments in Marvel comics continuity, not to mention Fox's X-Men films. It can be done.
Fox X-Men films definitely messed it up way too many times, to the point that they only make sense as a multiversal collection of movies, which they are now under Disney.
Some Marvel projects I’d like to see: Marvel’s Spider-Gwen (Insomniac) Marvel’s Moon Knight (Tango Works) Marvel’s Daredevil (Sloclap) Marvel’s Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch (Remedy) Marvel Fighting Game (Capcom, not MvC)
@@Gailardia_Galan oh yeah, I don’t want it to be MCU focused. MvC would be sweet too, but I’m curious what it would be liked if they leaned all the way into Marvel.
@@maddoggnick96 I have been curious about this as well to be honest. I don't think there has been a full on only Marvel fighting game (spanning all of the different heroes and not just certain teams)
A Marvel Game Universe could work, but it might be a bit janky when splitting projects between studios. I think a slew of games under one studio would be easier (like Insomniac and Rocksteady)
I just started the episode, but based on the title I'm gonna go with a hard NO, it couldn't work. It's a too common story these days where communication project management within one singular studio is already hard enough and leads to problems. I can't imagine multiple studios making quality connected games.
I think a BP game where you take over for T'Challa would be in pretty poor taste? Like I think the IGN review would be: "It really makes you FEEL like you're replacing a beloved man and performer who tragically died too young"
I knwo this is going to be a bad take, but if they did just limit a shared marvel gaming universe to one developer, I think it would be a good idea, but only if it was a multiplatform developer, not dissing Insomniac because I have watched LPs of SPiderman of PS4 since I am an Xbox player, which is why I think it would be better. That way more people can play on their preferred console and not feeling forced to go out and get a console that they probably can't get and then hunt around for these games in store or online
Thank God for Greg! Blessing deserved that burn at the end like wtf? You got that! Exactly that! And he didn't touch it. If you're demanding on that support it when it's given to you. Maybe people will see that even tho avengers wasn't good that at least supported this so let's give them this.
Saying that there has to be only black writers for the black panther game to be great is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard in a while Yes, the movies are primarily made by black people, but your talent isn’t based solely on your race.
Please stop using the MCU as a benchmark comparison. We know y'all can't stop riding the theme park for all its worth. Anyway no we don't need the MCU equivalent for the games in that the Insomniac marvel games don't have to be as overblown as the MCU. We don't need to be overwhelmed with another shared universe.
Personally I’m a bigger black panther fan than womderwoman but I’d much rather have a wonder woman game from monolith, we just had the black panther dlc in avengers and I know that game sucks but that gameplay was basically what a black panther game would look like and I think we’ve had so much black panther lately it just doesn’t appeal to me as much as a Wonder Woman game where you use your lasso of truth on people like you used the ring In shadow of Mordor which was the sickest thing In that game, grabbing an orc the face and shouting “YOU WILL OBEY”
I'm so sick of Marvel movies, I don't want Marvel games to have such a foothold that developers are stuck making those. MCU has become so mid that I don't even care anymore. I fear that for the games.
Kinda funny that when they revealed The Avengers game, with the San Francisco bridge mission... My thoughts immediately went to that nod from the Spiderman 2018 game about the East Coast. But then that was its own too. Feels like the only Marvel story that I care about atm is the Spiderman lore with the PlayStation game and Miles. Wolverine i can see existing inside the spiderman playstation world. Later on, they do a third hero, not Xmen, not Spiderman, maybe .,,.. Just Iron Man? and then that Iron Man is the first avenger in their specific story.
Yea in the beginning, even across Iron Man VR, they felt like they were building up to (or at least planning to) Avengers, before realizing how badly the games would’ve synced together back then and moving forward in future games/studios. I’m sure that’s also partly why they labeled all their games with “Marvel’s” in the titles. Guardians of the Galaxy showed they do exist within a shared multiverse though, so who knows if one day some of them might actually crossover.
If I were Marvel, I’d just give Insomniac carte blanche. Giving EA Black Panther isn’t a good idea, unless Respawn gets it which I don’t think is the case.
I think Blessing overrates Shadows of Mordor/War. I think those games are decent. Mordor gets overrated because it came out in a huge next-gen drought year of 2014, the same year that Dragon Age Inquisition won GOTY which is also not that great but that year was barren so we overrate good games as great. Or decent/okay games as good.
To answer the thumbnail, yes...but it should be mutiplatform, multi-publisher, multi-genre with a team from marvel overseeing the creation of each to ensure there are overarching threads being adhered to
@@ghostofneworleans4511 so because sony has done a good job with spiderman they get all of marvel? Kind of narrows all marvel games down to third person action adventure. If I want that I'll go to the movies.
@@evanolmstead7959 so every third person action game is basically a movie? what type of dumb arguement is that spider man was third person action game and had great gameplay not to mention they nailed the the webswinging how does that even compare to a movie
@@NM-sb9co I'm not denying they make great games in the third person action adventure genre. I'm saying I don't think a one size fits all works for all marvel games. Also, having all of them tied to Sony is so limiting in potentially reaching a larger audience and could limit the types of games you could get. Wanting exclusive licensed games is a very fanboy approach to take. It's one of the reasons I'm hoping Indian Jones is multiplatform instead of xbox exclusive. I don't want to need to spend over 1000 dollars to be able to play games that should be available everywhere. You might have that money, not everyone does.
@@ghostofneworleans4511 insomniac is not big enough to make an entire marvel universe and putting other studios on it would be a waste imo i dont want sucker punch naughty dog and santa monica to just be marvel studios i also hope insomniac moves on after wolverine.
The dream scenario for me would be Sony continuing to make great Marvel games now and into the future and Xbox gets a deal to make great DC games, and the third party game companies (EA,Ubisoft,ex) make DC and Marvel games for the lesser known heroes.
no cuz they probably will F it up. what are we using as an example? the spiderman and upcoming wolverine games? first u need to figure out what kind of game ur making cuz if ur gonna do a team up a single player action adventure game isnt gonna work out unless u do something like guardians of the galaxy and even then u need to balance around all those different characters and abilities. do u change it into a rpg? turn based rpg? real time rpg? do u let it he multiplayer? it would be a nightmare to do as a game developer. marvel avengers was ass and guardians was okay story wise but combat was dull especially when u controlled on 1 character and spammed "abilities". not to mention how long it takes to make one great game. are u gonna have a bunch of different studios? cuz no way in hell a single dev team can do it. even the size of Bethesda and all their studios i dont think they can assure quality with a consistent pace. u gonna have a bunch of mid games. some janky crappy ones. maybe 1 amazing gem. Lile the mcu movies. not all of the content of the mcu are top quality. u still get a thor, hulk, hawkeye, avengers 2, antman 2, etc
WB and DC seem to not really care about their legacy when it comes to games. Absolutely no support for Batman Arkham since those games were released. No new gen upgrades, no remasters, etc. Gotham knights looks like a 7 at best and suicide squad still looks pretty far off. What are they doing over there?
It could work if so sony had 1st party studios working on it but looking at how avengers turned out and then having no hope on the EA BP open world because its EA and they might want the micro the shit out of it.
If one studio like insomniac wants one and has the control over it, I say go for it, but crossing studios could get a bit messy
Insomniac not equipped for that. They have only really ever done single player games, you would be saying the one studio that would be best is the one who has shown neither the capability or engine to do it? Not likely.
Shout out to the Mike Jones reference 😂 had the exact same reaction as Bless like no shot they did that lol. Great work guys
Who?
1:27:02 I love when Tim knows the joke is coming. Greg got your ass blessing
You four specifically are the best commentators in gaming (Add Janet and thats 5)!
I’d rather see individual studios focus on their own unique vision of what these characters are than feel the need to adhere to a singular grand plan.
Yes, please
I just wish that they do a better job choosing which studios to give their ip to. Square Enix sucked and now EA is making a Black Panther game? Super weird
@@joshua0209 guardians of the Galaxy was still great and that was square enix.
@@iraford5788 it was great but it is said that behind the scenes, square had to change the game because of The Avengers reception. That already says something about their strategies. It’s the same with Star Wars and EA. The only reason Fallen Order got approved was because people were fed up with how EA was handling micro transactions that they had no choice but to give Respawn a shot at a Single-player only game. Not to mention that that game was also full of bugs and after playing it a lot you can get tired of the gameplay loop. So in that sense Guardians was great but also not that well received either. The story and the writing was great because they do understand the source material but again, the gameplay left a lot to be desired.
I don’t think a marvel gaming universe needs to be done. Just do AAA marvel games that are high quality and feel different from each other. If the studios stick to that, then it will never get old and they can keep going with the IP’s
Agreed that's most likely what marvel games are going to keep doing.
I'd love to see Bill Rosemann on the show (again? maybe?) to talk about the everything Marvel Games. Mobile, console, PC, everything under the sun.
how could they forget about the Multiverse moment in Guardians of the galaxy game, you literally hear voices from Insomniac Spiderman, and the avengers game. its already connected through multiverse.
He voices a lot of Spider-Men though, were they exact lines pulled from those games?
God, an isolated “Spider-Man’s missing” DLC for Daredevil in SM2 does sound so dope.
Haha, Tim keeps saying Live a Live instead of Live a Live.
Kinda Feudy was great as always!. But Barrett is really ‘running’ that joke into the ground. I wish he’d stop.
Insomniac already about to do the most iconic Marvel crossover that the MCU never could, Wolverine and Spider-Man, so it doesn’t really matter ultimately.
If all the Marvel games were under one developer I could possibly seeing it work (yes Marvel Games is in charge but they're on the publishing side) but no way this can work with how many different hands involved.
Even if it was happening, I wouldn't want to. This desire to have everything be like the MCU is just exhausting, some things should be what they are and not connect.
I don’t think there is any way to do a full MCU style game-verse. But you could do some smaller versions of that. And both of these ideas center around Insomniac.
Idea 1: work up towards a spider-verse game. You already have Peter and Miles as Spider-Men in the same universe. We know Venom is coming. And you could easily tease the Multiverse opening up in Spider-Man 2. With Spider-Gwen or Spider-Man 2099 coming through. Then, just like you had a Miles Morales spin-off, you do a Venom and Spider-Gwen spin-off leading to Spider-Man 3, which is a full blown Spider-Verse game. Leading to potentially more spin-offs.
Idea 2: you already have Spider-Man and you have Wolverine coming, you are halfway to a Defenders game. Defenders are sort of a non-team team, a group of individuals with their own agendas who come together for a short time to fight a bigger threat. There is already precedence for Spider-Man and wolverine being part of the secret defenders in the comic world. You can easily introduce daredevil in a Spider-Man game, then do a spin off daredevil game and him being a lawyer easily connects to She-Hulk who is also a lawyer (and potentially Hulk). Now you have two more pretty traditional “Defenders” and 4 total characters leading to a Defenders game. And then afterwards all 4 characters can continue on in their own worlds until one day you bring them back together.
So no I don’t think you can re-create the MCU in video games I do think you could do some fun things with comic book worlds. In both of these ideas insomniac would be making both of these worlds and he would only need Sony to invest for them to build out another team or two because they already have three teams and it wouldn’t take that long to build up to either a spider-verse game or a defenders game. 5-10 years, all under 1 studio and 1 publisher.
Yep I think this is exactly what marvel games are doing with insomniacs spiderman universe.
Roll7 is about to produce two of my favorite indies in one year
Well Insomniac has wolverine in the works so...I guess a Marvel Insomniac Universe?
This is KFG Vol. 2, Episode 138 (Episode 390 overall)
Yeah it is!!
I'm so glad to hear that y'all are enjoying Rollerdrome. Cuz I straight up forgot about it and thought it was that roller champions game that's not doin so hot lately. So that's exciting cuz it looked fun, the art style reminded me of Sable which I loved, and that video of one of the devs that went around of her watching the trailer at the showcase was cute, I'm glad it's being well received
I'd love to play a marvel game in that same artstyle like imagine a X-MEN game with that artstyle
Greg seems really tired Tim, Just hold the baby.
lolol
Tim is awesome and they need to let him host
Yes but each game would need to be under one dev or at least one publisher. Otherwise it would just be a mess. Also, insomniac would’ve made a WAY better Avengers game.
The fact they haven’t dropped the nemesis system into an Arkham game is baffling
No. Exclusives wouldn't allow it. And I don't want it. Let me play a game and not have to worry about if I'm missing out by not playing another characters game
I was really hoping they were going to do something like this with the Batman games. Would've loved a Flash game or Superman right after Arkham Knight to lead up to a Justice League game.
Suicide Squad is the same universe with those characters. Injustice games kinda nailed it too despite no build up.
@@Alex_Logan22 Yeah I know I was really disappointed when that got confirmed. I don't like anything about that game so far.
So excited for you guys to come to Nashville!! I really hope Tim has an awesome time -- it is so much more than country music.
No because MCU stands for Cinematoc universe. Should be called MVGU.
What joy cons does Tim have as he shows a couple times in the vid?
Wonder Woman made by Monolith sounds incredible. And I don't even like DC all that much. But they own the Nemesis patent (afaik), and that could be implemented really well into a WW game. And her kit just sounds perfect for a video game.
I'd be fine if they just do it like all the awesome cameos in the Spider-Man PS1 game. Human Torch or Daredevil popping just for help or advice
I’m just here to say that if you’re not subscribed to Patreon, do it for this episode’s post show.
10/10 banger.
I got the Mike Jones .. who? LOL I didn't think he made it that far west lol
Aside from Respawn, I think Hazelight is another good EA studio
Hazelight is not owned by EA
To Greg’s point, seeing as how the DCEU was such a let down for a lot of fans and has mostly been critically panned save for a few films like Shazam, Wonderwoman, and Aquaman, I think an interconnected game universe would be a good route for DC to go. We already have the MCU, I don’t think we really need a large scale interwoven Marvel Games universe whereas DC could really benefit from it. That being said, seeing Insomniac play around with other characters like Daredevil, The Human Torch, and Wolverine would be awesome and those games could definitely fall under the same universal umbrella without feeling like too much of a burden for Marvel Games to handle and without feeling like we’re rehashing the MCU in another medium
Really glad blessing played and enjoyed live a live. Whenever an absolute gem comes out in a genre doesn't really vibe with a lot of the KF crew, I worry that they'll pass it up and their fan base will as a result not check it out. Hoping that the insanely positive reviews this game has gotten convince people to check it out because it is truly special
Ah yes my favourite xenoblade game. Goty for kinda funny for sure.
I heard rumors Crystal Dynamics had started work on a possible X-Men game so if that is the case Crystal would be your best bet for actually having this happen.
Frankly, they may be one of the only ones with the proper gaming engine to do it in the first place. I think it would either have to be CD or Square Enix Tokyo with help from Sony, or it would need to be Rocksteady.....which you should already know the issue there....
Wish y’all would do a meet and greet in Nashville
They basically tried this with the avengers and it didn’t work
Their talking about a whole connected universe not just one game
No. Much more difficult to lineup game releases than movies. Quality across the several studios needed to pull this off would also be a big question.
I want a new good Iron Man game
As a black man myself, I disagree with Blessing's point that there HAS to be black writers in order for the BP game to be great. Great writing and ability has little to do with race. I don't care what race the writers are, as long as the quality is top notch and they do their proper research and due diligence. Doing a great job is not dependent on race -_-
But didn’t the movie benefit from having black writers and a black director because they understand more of what the experience of black people are and were able to use that to insert great commentary into the film that definitely wouldn’t have been the same with white writers/director?
As a white dude I would be uncomfortable with white people leading the writing and directing of this game because if they try to make any sort of commentary on a black person’s experience it’s gonna come off as disingenuous. Killmonger is a top tier MCU antagonist because the writers actually knew the experience, frustrations, and dreams of a black kid from Oakland. If the game wants to have the same level of commentary, I personally think having another white dude write it would be a weird choice.
(Also not to mention the lack of diversity and voices in the industry already. It’s not just for goofs when Blessing shares a character creator that has terrible a limited options for making a black character)
@@BarrettCourtney Great writing is not dependent on race. Just because someone is black, white, Asian, etc, does NOT mean they are a great writer.
A great writer uses their resources, speaks to different people/races to get different perspectives, learns about different cultures, etc. The main reason I do not agree with this is because this will eventually become "Only this race can write about this race". So only black people can write about black people? If I was a black writer, I would like to try and write many different types of characters, not just my race. How am I supposed to grow? Learn different techniques?
I simply do not like this box being put on creativity. Yes, BP is a great movie but the way I see it....it is a great movie because the people involved were incredibly talented and also happened to be black, not because they were black and happened to be talented. And I would love to see them use their creative talents that goes outside of just making "black works", if that is what they choose to do.
To your point about it coming across as disingenuous, that does not make sense to me. So it comes across as disingenuous when female actors write and voice male parts? How about vice versa? That is a extremely dangerous way of thinking in my opinion.
I think an MCU within games could be good, however I kind of like the Marvel games being individual. What If..? showed me that I like individual story telling a lot more than I thought I did, and there's a lot of comics out there that are impossible to explore within the MCU at this point, I don't need it all to be tied together to enjoy it when we could instead get a separate story that may or may not feature characters from other games that aren't actually from those games.
Is it a full priced release?
Live A Live seems like such a gem. But with both Xenoblade 3 and Digimon Survive coming out this friday, it will have to wait.
I 100% agree with Blessing on Black writers needing to be a part of it. He never said they need to all be Black which is why i’m baffled by the comments and push back by Greg. The Avengers comment isn’t apples to oranges as we know Avengers isn’t a solely Black character or story. There are nuances that a lot of people i presume did not catch when watching Black Panther. I We can watch the same movie but not have the same experience
Bless wants 2-3 Marvel games a year? That's a no thanks from me.
I want Remedy to make a Doctor Strange game they would be perfect for that character
What I would much rather see, is make a full scale open world spiderman noir, and 2099 games, that culminate in a spiderverse & shattered dimensions inspired story.
A 2099 game has always been my dream especially from Insomniac. Just imagine how fuckin cool the open world would be, with the web wings!
A video game version of the MCU exists, its called Final Fantasy 14
You can absolutely have all Marvel (or any IP) games take place in the same universe. The complication is getting them all to build up to something big like the first MCU movies did to Avengers, then to Infinity War, etc. -- and you don't have to do that. Just treat it like the comics -- all of these unique adventures are happening independently of one another. If they happen to cross over at some point, great.
As for breaking canon, do be cognizant of stepping on things that have been said in other games, but don't let that get in your way of telling a good story and doing what's best for your game, unless it's an earth-shattering moment everyone will notice. 99% of players won't notice, and of that 1% who do, 99% won't care. There are countless such moments in Marvel comics continuity, not to mention Fox's X-Men films.
It can be done.
Fox X-Men films definitely messed it up way too many times, to the point that they only make sense as a multiversal collection of movies, which they are now under Disney.
"Hi, I'm Emma Frost. I'm a teenager in the late '70s and am pushing 30 in the '60s."
Some Marvel projects I’d like to see:
Marvel’s Spider-Gwen (Insomniac)
Marvel’s Moon Knight (Tango Works)
Marvel’s Daredevil (Sloclap)
Marvel’s Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch (Remedy)
Marvel Fighting Game (Capcom, not MvC)
MvC is so GOATED, I personally would love to see another MvC game that is NOT MCU focused over a Marvel Fighting game
@@Gailardia_Galan oh yeah, I don’t want it to be MCU focused. MvC would be sweet too, but I’m curious what it would be liked if they leaned all the way into Marvel.
@@maddoggnick96 u forgot wolverine insomniac
@@maddoggnick96 I have been curious about this as well to be honest. I don't think there has been a full on only Marvel fighting game (spanning all of the different heroes and not just certain teams)
@@Gailardia_Galan Capcom did one a long time ago in the PS1 generation. It’s what lead to MvC. I’d be interested how it would look mechanically.
How the hell did I miss this
I guess we're never getting that Elden Ring spoilercast eh? :(
Or did I miss it somewhere?
A Marvel Game Universe could work, but it might be a bit janky when splitting projects between studios. I think a slew of games under one studio would be easier (like Insomniac and Rocksteady)
I'll play avengers with u Greg
I just started the episode, but based on the title I'm gonna go with a hard NO, it couldn't work. It's a too common story these days where communication project management within one singular studio is already hard enough and leads to problems. I can't imagine multiple studios making quality connected games.
Tim sold me on Rollerdrome and this isn't even the review lol
Live a live, what a game and what a year switch is having
I think a BP game where you take over for T'Challa would be in pretty poor taste?
Like I think the IGN review would be:
"It really makes you FEEL like you're replacing a beloved man and performer who tragically died too young"
I knwo this is going to be a bad take, but if they did just limit a shared marvel gaming universe to one developer, I think it would be a good idea, but only if it was a multiplatform developer, not dissing Insomniac because I have watched LPs of SPiderman of PS4 since I am an Xbox player, which is why I think it would be better. That way more people can play on their preferred console and not feeling forced to go out and get a console that they probably can't get and then hunt around for these games in store or online
Nashville you say?!? You guys should go to Whiskey Kitchen, fergalicious spot to eat there.
Thank God for Greg! Blessing deserved that burn at the end like wtf? You got that! Exactly that! And he didn't touch it. If you're demanding on that support it when it's given to you. Maybe people will see that even tho avengers wasn't good that at least supported this so let's give them this.
Saying that there has to be only black writers for the black panther game to be great is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard in a while
Yes, the movies are primarily made by black people, but your talent isn’t based solely on your race.
Please stop using the MCU as a benchmark comparison. We know y'all can't stop riding the theme park for all its worth. Anyway no we don't need the MCU equivalent for the games in that the Insomniac marvel games don't have to be as overblown as the MCU. We don't need to be overwhelmed with another shared universe.
Personally I’m a bigger black panther fan than womderwoman but I’d much rather have a wonder woman game from monolith, we just had the black panther dlc in avengers and I know that game sucks but that gameplay was basically what a black panther game would look like and I think we’ve had so much black panther lately it just doesn’t appeal to me as much as a Wonder Woman game where you use your lasso of truth on people like you used the ring In shadow of Mordor which was the sickest thing In that game, grabbing an orc the face and shouting “YOU WILL OBEY”
I'm so sick of Marvel movies, I don't want Marvel games to have such a foothold that developers are stuck making those. MCU has become so mid that I don't even care anymore. I fear that for the games.
Kinda funny that when they revealed The Avengers game, with the San Francisco bridge mission... My thoughts immediately went to that nod from the Spiderman 2018 game about the East Coast. But then that was its own too.
Feels like the only Marvel story that I care about atm is the Spiderman lore with the PlayStation game and Miles. Wolverine i can see existing inside the spiderman playstation world.
Later on, they do a third hero, not Xmen, not Spiderman, maybe .,,.. Just Iron Man? and then that Iron Man is the first avenger in their specific story.
Yea in the beginning, even across Iron Man VR, they felt like they were building up to (or at least planning to) Avengers, before realizing how badly the games would’ve synced together back then and moving forward in future games/studios. I’m sure that’s also partly why they labeled all their games with “Marvel’s” in the titles. Guardians of the Galaxy showed they do exist within a shared multiverse though, so who knows if one day some of them might actually crossover.
If I were Marvel, I’d just give Insomniac carte blanche. Giving EA Black Panther isn’t a good idea, unless Respawn gets it which I don’t think is the case.
Mike Jones!!
Yes
Good story
Yes, absolutely
So Bless gonna play xenoblade 3 right…? Pls lol
I think Blessing overrates Shadows of Mordor/War. I think those games are decent. Mordor gets overrated because it came out in a huge next-gen drought year of 2014, the same year that Dragon Age Inquisition won GOTY which is also not that great but that year was barren so we overrate good games as great. Or decent/okay games as good.
@GuyInCLE one “interesting” and not fully realized system does not a great game make. They are decent games, they aren’t great.
To answer the thumbnail, yes...but it should be mutiplatform, multi-publisher, multi-genre with a team from marvel overseeing the creation of each to ensure there are overarching threads being adhered to
Wrong..sony is doing it with insomniac right now. And their games have been super high quality
@@ghostofneworleans4511 so because sony has done a good job with spiderman they get all of marvel? Kind of narrows all marvel games down to third person action adventure. If I want that I'll go to the movies.
@@evanolmstead7959 so every third person action game is basically a movie? what type of dumb arguement is that spider man was third person action game and had great gameplay not to mention they nailed the the webswinging how does that even compare to a movie
@@NM-sb9co I'm not denying they make great games in the third person action adventure genre. I'm saying I don't think a one size fits all works for all marvel games. Also, having all of them tied to Sony is so limiting in potentially reaching a larger audience and could limit the types of games you could get. Wanting exclusive licensed games is a very fanboy approach to take. It's one of the reasons I'm hoping Indian Jones is multiplatform instead of xbox exclusive. I don't want to need to spend over 1000 dollars to be able to play games that should be available everywhere. You might have that money, not everyone does.
@@ghostofneworleans4511 insomniac is not big enough to make an entire marvel universe and putting other studios on it would be a waste imo i dont want sucker punch naughty dog and santa monica to just be marvel studios i also hope insomniac moves on after wolverine.
The dream scenario for me would be Sony continuing to make great Marvel games now and into the future and Xbox gets a deal to make great DC games, and the third party game companies (EA,Ubisoft,ex) make DC and Marvel games for the lesser known heroes.
no cuz they probably will F it up. what are we using as an example? the spiderman and upcoming wolverine games? first u need to figure out what kind of game ur making cuz if ur gonna do a team up a single player action adventure game isnt gonna work out unless u do something like guardians of the galaxy and even then u need to balance around all those different characters and abilities. do u change it into a rpg? turn based rpg? real time rpg? do u let it he multiplayer? it would be a nightmare to do as a game developer. marvel avengers was ass and guardians was okay story wise but combat was dull especially when u controlled on 1 character and spammed "abilities". not to mention how long it takes to make one great game. are u gonna have a bunch of different studios? cuz no way in hell a single dev team can do it. even the size of Bethesda and all their studios i dont think they can assure quality with a consistent pace. u gonna have a bunch of mid games. some janky crappy ones. maybe 1 amazing gem. Lile the mcu movies. not all of the content of the mcu are top quality. u still get a thor, hulk, hawkeye, avengers 2, antman 2, etc
WB and DC seem to not really care about their legacy when it comes to games. Absolutely no support for Batman Arkham since those games were released. No new gen upgrades, no remasters, etc. Gotham knights looks like a 7 at best and suicide squad still looks pretty far off. What are they doing over there?
It could work if so sony had 1st party studios working on it but looking at how avengers turned out and then having no hope on the EA BP open world because its EA and they might want the micro the shit out of it.
Imagine just getting over covid to immediately go back on a flight and public event making the ongoing pandemic worse for everyone. Selfish
Can you PLEASE fund a speach therapist for Blessing already! Or just make him a producer already.