High Speed Crashing On An EUC
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- In this episode Jon deconstructs a recent high speed crash to explain what can go wrong when you push and EUC beyond it's capacity. Jon shares some video footage to demonstrate what happens when we fall, the impact it has on the body, the wheel and the environment around us.
Let us know what your highest speed crash has been. Do you tie your wheel to you on a length of rope? Do you ever ride without body protection? And most importantly, is Jon a dick? - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Lots of good advice. Always good to remind people to ride to the environment. In many crashes I've seen, speed differential is a big factor. Many riders become jaded about riding at high speed in close proximity to fixed obstacles like sign posts, benches, parked cars. They don't adjust their speed to local traffic: walking speeds amongst pedestrians, bicycle speeds amongst cyclists, automobile speeds amongst autos. They don't reduce speed as visibility decreases (around corners / over rises or due to obstacles that obstruct vision).
only there is no environment for these.
The burning shoe had me crying 😭
Well done, and the price of fun. Everything in life comes with risk, and for sure the EUC is a risk that requires respect. Thanks for sharing.
"Don't be a Dick" is the motto I've always ridden by even during my eScooter days. Now it's "Don't be a Dick" + Ride like everyone is going to hit you. Not being a Dick is also handy when you live in a city where PEVs are illegal. Unwanted attention is the last thing PEV riders need in a restricted City. Thanks for the Vid mate.
When you are saying "goes down for no reason " I'm a bit confused. Seems like the reason for most of them was user error and demanding too much from the machine, causing it to shut off. And that is the reason :) But I can agree that there is no good reason for the machines being in their current states and there should be way more failsafe or what not in there!
And of course other random non user caused failures can happen, but they seem very rare. Ty for the video, stay safe!
You are absolutely right and I am kicking myself for not being clearer in the video. The problem is 9 times out of 10, rider error, asking the wheel to do too much. Energy can spike past threshold levels for the smallest of reason when the wheel is at maximum, making the likelihood of failure much higher than at any other time. Thanks for the input! Stay safe.
Agree.. We like torque and all but jd rather have development on safety than more speed..
To be fair I think the v13 has some new safety features (not saying the v22 doesn't, I just don't know enough of it)
53 year old housewife, had first crash May 1st, 4 months after getting wheel. Riding low speed less than 10mph on v5f, mind wasn't on the ride, I was lost ( embarrassingly close to home in USA suburbs early Sunday morning, no witnesses) was in the middle of the road and stubbornly didn't want to stop to navigate on my phone, I was frustrated and impatient probably tried to speed up fast briefly to get through unfamiliar territory and down I went. This was before I even had an app on my phone communicating with the wheel to tell me stuff. Was wearing all my gear so no breaks nor scrapes but somehow wrecked my left shoulder, still not back to 100% after almost 5 weeks, but I haven't stopped riding EUC, trying to be more mindful and at least know what route I'm taking from now on. Also, my body wasn't used to going long distances and I was at the 2 mile point... Recently added a pair of 6 inch diameter glow in the dark googlie eyes to my wheel on either side of where the headlight is and a tuft of yellow "hair" on the top - the kids seem to like it when they see it, gives a friendlier vibe. Since the crash ( no wheel damage but a scrape or two) my endurance has worked up to riding 6 miles with only two minimal stops one to sit briefly and one to just walk the wheel a little. I'm learning to adjust weight from one foot to another while riding to get foot fatigue relief.
I had a similiar low speed wreck. My hands and chest took most of the impact but I slightly rolled onto my sholder. I had on my gear so only the shoulder was sore. So sore I got xrays. Nothing broken. I'm guessing I pulled a ligament or badly damaged the muscle. Im nearly able to use the full range motion with no pain..........That wreck was six months ago........Ice it regularly. Message it regularly. Do some band excercises. It'll get better. Keep riding. Hahaha. I did as well.
can happen to anyone.
Whats about you sit during ridding?
Can't sit on a tiny V5F. I have a bigger V11 now but haven't learned seated riding yet- that's a whole different skill set😅
Gotta speed wobble on my veterans Sherman went down and broke my left shoulder. That was two weeks ago. I was wearing full gear I also snap my right wrist guard in half. They just came in the mail that day! Before that I was just riding with gloves. Good thing I had it or else I would have a left broken shoulder and a right broken wrist. But those guards saved my wrist!! Gear up ladies and gentlemen! Thanks for the awesome video brother!🙏
Thanks Mate. Appreciate the message.
🎶 So glad you’ve got the wheel thing baby, ain’t nothing like the wheel thing 🎶
Very good video Jon! I really enjoy your humour (euc parts flying and shoe in fire 🤣). I am glad to see you are ok after a crash. You right most of the time it is rider error and not the wheels!
so are (most) stunt doubles. but only most. some die, and we get to see the scene anyway.
Love your video format and your humour can’t wait to get myself a wheel. Greetings from Isle of Skye
Great stuff! Instant subscription!
Thank you for your Insight 💜
"Come on Jonathan, 99.9% of the time you don't fall off" A wry smile appears on the face of anyone familiar with this channel or Ian's
Trust you to spot that little factual inaccuracy...
Thanks for the brutally honest critical debrief. "Know your limits and stay within them!" Question: Who makes the safest and test proven EUC?
45MPH!?!?!?!? I'm glad you are still here to make videos Jon!
Great video. LOL. Great job keeping the continuity seamless, too.
What I've learned from the video - shoes burn.
Anyway, I guess it's to my benefit then that I am a slow rider, too afraid of going fast to even think about racing anyone or anything. I can think of plenty of other ways to show off xD
awesome... thanks mate ...keep Rolling
Thank you!
So far my crashes have been low speed but I cap my speed at 30 with the top speed of the wheel at 44. Usually it happens to me going off a curb or having to start/stop suddenly. My lesson was to get ankle guards.
Glad you are okay Jon, thank you for your honesty and passing on important information learned from this experience.
I must say that all my crashes/falls/whatever have been caused by my own stupidity, none have ever been the wheels fault. As always Jon, you get your points across in an informed and humorous fashion, keep it up (and I don’t mean the crashing!! 😆)!!
Thanks for the encouragement Tony.
Quality post as usual Jon,good to see you on the mend,I had a similar incident on my v8 maybe 18 months ago,a very early morning spin,no protection apart from a padded lumberjack shirt ,put the power in a brief tilt back then bang,I’m off,probably at about 18 mph,both me and my wheel sliding down the road,I was pretty knocked about,knees,elbows,face,etc,I managed to remount my wheel and limp home,wheel was fine,just scratched up,(a testament to inmotion build quality)when I got home I realised I’d taken the brunt of the impact on my shoulder,it took me weeks to fully recover,a hard lesson learned,I now never go out without motorcycle level protection,but I still love riding my wheel,stay safe.
Took a hard spill on my ebike about two months ago, went full on over the handlebars. Landed on my shoulder, must’ve gotten a slight tear in the rotator cuff because I still don’t have full mobility of it without a twinge of pain at certain angles.
Ouch. I hope you mend fully and quickly.
@@wheellifejon could have been much worse as I wasn’t wearing any protective gear whatsoever.
Love the “stash” changes, definitely lightened up the mood for an introspective review!
Cheers. It was genuinely unplanned!
⚡ *That intro* 😂⚡
Especially the little fire 😭
Great video, really enjoyed this one 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Brilliant transitions / edits 👌🏼
The tunnel cutout, looks like the one in New York? Infamously known as the "cutout tunnel".
Glad I am not the only one laughing... I do worry that nobody else will find it funny and just think I am odd. Yes, I think it is New York.
Great vid 👍
Your crash reenactment looked B movie budget, loved it.
Cheers
Ha ha... all the budget of a Z movie I'm afraid but I am glad you appreciated it!
This guy is a gold find
Glad to hear you're OK. A quick way of turning voltage to percentage on 100v wheels is subtract 80 then multiply by 5. So far, I haven't had any particularly high speed accidents on my wheel but I had plenty on motorcycles. The overriding factor in all my accidents was always stupidity on my part. Interestingly you had your crash only 10 mins from my house but then rather foolishly didn't pop in for sympathy and tea.
Nice 'workaround'. 😉
Good compilation.
Safety first should be the mantra.
Thank you !
You are welcome!!
Great video brother, the mustaches had me cracking up
One thing that I've learned in my experiences is not to go too fast or try tricks and stunts when I'm fatigued. One evening, after a long day at work, I got on my wheel to practice jumping and bonking curbs. I tried to jump a pothole, and in a lack of good judgment, I ended up landing right in the pothole. I went straight down as my wheel came to an abrupt stop. Just like you said, my knees hit the pavement first, followed by my hands, and then my chest. Fortunately, I walked away from the ordeal with only a sprained wrist and a few minor scratches, which healed in a few days. My wheel was fried, and I had to put a new controller in it. At 50 years old, I'm not as sharp as I used to be, so I really should have waited until I was well rested before practicing advanced skills that require more stamina and strength.
Thanks for sharing this perspective. I still haven't sprung for a full face helmet but I think I will now. Even though I'm more of a cruiser than a racer.
Inevitable even the developers say.
I never got a cut out on my EUC at speed. I only burned the Shermans motherboard while climbing a steep hill.
I once got the fast beeps on my Sherman. So as a reflex I lean back. I was at 68 kmh and 60%.
I cut out multiple times on the weak V5f.
Absolutely right, every single point. especially pt. 6, according to my personal painful experience ;-)
I see that my parachute training has served me well. Roll the shoulders hands together and take the fall legs hip back. Thanks sarge.
if already flying at high speeds, you should be above the wheel and knees bent a lot. What you shouldn't do is be way over top/in front of the wheel and standing what you think is upright, thus applying more force on a wheel that's already pushing hard.
I think I will just stick to 2 - 4 wheels to save myself the misery of being injured.
It's not that I don't trust the e-uni, I just don't trust myself on the E-uni.
@Jonathan Whalley I found 2 footages that you've showed to us that the main cause if not a cut-off but a wobble. Whenever your wheel, in this turn, your EUC experienced it, unless your very experienced the thing that you pointed out the incident that happened inside the tunnel, the wheel actually wobbled which causes an EUC to experience an out of control motion, making the rider fall off. To mitigate wobbles one must slow down once you feel the wobble (but on the video it was also a rider problem, wherein he disregarded the wobble effect and just kept going) and you need to turn your wheel left or right to counter the wobble effect, other reasons why you'd experience a "wobble" are the type of shoes that you wear, the right placement of your foot when riding, fatigue is also a main cause, always have side pads, tire air pressure and overall condition and tire alignment is off.
Thanks
Good video.I went down 40 km/h face first when going to work last summer.Stuff got stuck in my wheel 18xl because i was stupid. Gald i use good helmet and not drive middle of cars. Be safe people!
Pro Tip: If you own a powerful wheel capable of riding about 70 kmh like Begode Rs19 and many other or Inmotion V12Hs, then dont wear those trash wrist protectors, and wear Motorcycle Gloves, Preferably high quality ones, mine have survived 3 cut outs at 2 different speeds on 2 different wheels. Something worth to also consider in a chest armor, after my first cut oof at 35kmh (Even tho it was low speed), I slid 4 Meters on my Hands and chest + Boots, Even tho my Boots had the outer leather scrapped, and my Hands had no damage whatsoever, I had a very strong internal cheast pain for 2 Weeks. Now I dont leave without full armor, because you never know when a cut off hits you
I got cocky after a couple months of riding and crashed my sherman due to a camouflaged pothole. Got some wild wobbles and went down at 35 mph. Sure glad i had a dainese mc jacket and hillbilly wrist guards. Only had some bruises on my arms. Can't imagine what would have happened without gear. I've since adjusted my over-confidence. ATGATT!
Bravo 👏 👏 excellent video, everything you said is dead on. I'm a veteran sherman rider and I still ride with caution
You are saying there is nothing on the road but sometimes there are bumps that you can't see because they might have been patched up but still that little bit of the elevation requests more power at cut-off speeds.
did your wheel not have beeps and tiltback enabled???
Nice mu man shu , Did you try to talk to the people that crashed?
Thanks for all the awesome and informative content you continue to provide for us pioneers of personal electric transportation.
I actually fell hard for the first time on my V8F a few hours ago whilst going at about 32Km/h - riding tucked and then attempting to Brake normally on seeing oncoming traffic…
This I believe sent me into a violent speed wobble which I couldn’t recover from! I Luckily I didn’t slide under the approaching traffic. I took a mildly bruised hip, some minor abrasions on my shoulders and ankle and also banged my head on the asphalt which luckily had a helmet on ! Could’ve been a lot worse!!!
I’ve had my wheel for about 180Km now and that’s the first time ever that I’ve actually been thrown off!
I've been riding up and down steep slopes and over uneven surfaces with zero issues as the terrain here in Seychelles is very mountainous!
I'm certainly going to be very very careful now about considering tucking at high speed on a light 16 inch wheel like mine! I consider myself extremely fortunate!!
I am glad you weren't seriously hurt and that you are keeping riding. Stay safe!
@@wheellifejon Cheers 🙏
thumbs up for crash with the burning sneaker
Great review and even better intro! 45mph on an EX your brave, I thought top speed was 40mph! You got off very lucky with minimal damage to yourself. How did your wheel hold up? Was considering the EX as Ian has them back in stock. Not that it's important the survival rate at that speed as that is always dependant but curious nonetheless?
My wheel was rideable but needs a comprehensive re-build. I did shoot some footage but edited it out because it was getting too long. I will post some pictures on Instagram.
We dont need the pinky. We'd be more aerodynamic without them! I had a fall today and scratched up my brand new helmet!. I was doing some small jumps and clipped a pedal on a rock.. I think my helmets ok to keep using, it was more of a slide than impact. Just light scratches lol... Riding the V12... Fully geared up, felt like an army roll but who knows how it looked....
the scooter guy omg lol. got run over twice
I have heard of onewheel battery cut outs at 30% battery remaining.
Ouch glad you walked away from that :)
Do you think that attatchable slide/ skid plates on the bottoms of shoes would help some people at least be able to “skate “ out of a crash as opposed to trying to run out of it ? We both have watched enough crashes to know that a majority involves the rider, putting their foot down first trying to bring the other one alongside it, but the traction of the sneaker then takes over and it does its job and stopping you from slipping but not running at 45 mph. If there were no traction and your foot slid the other would be able to come in and help and you could just slide out to a stop on your feet. Maybe even have time to squat down put your hands to the ground to help or if you’re good enough, just surf it out on the bottoms of your feet.
What is considered high speed on an euc? I've never been close to 40mph. My cruise speed is 23-28mph touching 33 mph sometimes on my V12 HS.
Trying to correct an unexpected wobble at a high speed sounds like the most likely culprit of many crashes. Wobble can be started by turbulence to minor user error. I agree with your conclusion but would probably put protective gear at number one or two.👍🏽
what is your black jacket? i asked on an older video but im guessing a newer video is more likely to get a response
glad you are ok btw that blue jacket got shredded
Hi ans sorry for not replying before!! The jacket is by Richa. It is a bikers jacket with padding in the back, shoulders and elbows. It has removable lining so it is fully waterproof and is toasty warm in the winter too! Fully recommended.
@@wheellifejon no worries. its always a gamble if you are gonna get replies on year old videos (your riding backwards video). checked the company out. gonna be something i save up for. lol
@@wheellifejon Also got a nice Richa jacket with padding in the same areas, only level 1 though, but I got body armor on under it. I love that jacket.
I crashed once in 6000km at 30 plus kmh... I was wearing my helmet, but nothing else... Was riding stressed to a new jobsite, watching my smartphone while crusing 30.4kmh.... Bam a pothole and I went down on my right knee and elbow plus left hand got grated.
I also suffered a good blue mark on my hip... But nothing broken! Now I am wondering what kind of knee protection.. I hate the wrap around elastic.... :S
I overleaned my Nikola plus at 65kph on April 19th... had all the right gear, so no injuries... but it took me almost an hour to find my wheel (night time)... and cost me $AU3k for a new wheel.. Can see the story and pics on my farce book page and scroll to 19th April... Wheel McCoy I think it was a week after your crash Jon?
I believe the reason why he crashed he kept swinging his arms lost his balance
3:25 - Это Санкт-Петербург, Муринский парк! Мы там часто катаемся
Yes there is a reason why. He hit 90 km/hrs on the sherman. It cut out I was riding behind him at 80 km. He had a few broken ribs .
I am really confused, why would a euc wheel suddenly cut off power when riding it sounds extremely dangerous and unpredictable. I was thinking about getting one but if it's that unpredictable I can't see the point of them
No... they dont. The lesson is, ride them within theri limitations. They only fail (unless there is a proven manufaturing fault) if they are being abused in some ways. Usually this is going too fast, over peaking the power limits, riding with depleted batteries or doing something that causes it to spike the power. I have only ever had one cut off... and it was exactly because I was being a dick!!!
I have never cut out the V10F, I was run off the road into a curb by an inexperienced driver who was looking at the “cool” guy riding an EUC 😂! Haha, I walked away and the EUC just had cosmetic damage.
Always wear good gear and don’t push your luck!
are EUC legal in the UK and are E-Scooters aswell?
Not yet but legislation is hopefully changing very soon and for the most part the police are kind!
From TIMES SQUARE NEW YORK CITY !!! True STORY 1
It is illegal to ride a powered wheel on a public road. 6 points at least, confiscation of equipment and a large fine I believe ?
9/10 it's user error/rider not hearing or respecting the beeps, i use Bluetooth speakers in my helmet or a single ear bud connected to euc world which can translate your built in 80% wheel alarms through Bluetooth, it's saved my ass more times than I can remember
Really good idea!
the thing i think about the most in a cash is the wheel crashing into something or someone 90 lbs mass of combustible batteries, motor and a spinning tire that could help someone to have a bad day, or worst. might even face criminal charges depending on the situation, not to mention the liability. If some rich spoiled kid or mid -life crisis mofo hits me, im taking to the cleaners with lawsuit
The intro made me laugh 🤣
you set the shoe on fire.... 😆
Your comments are so funny!
Pothole took me out at speeds
Hawk eyed viewers will also notice the NCC-1701 (D?) in the background
A crash is when you strike something else. If you cutout you fall and don't crash.
I don't think I'll ever be brave enough to ride an EUC, but your videos are so well produced and legitimately funny that I've kept watching them anyway
Ha ha... Mark. Give it a go. Where do you live? I could let you have a go and give you a lesson!! If you are not in another continent of course!
@@wheellifejon you are far too kind! Sadly I moved from the UK and I'm in the US now
@@MarkDell if you are happy to cover the travel costs.......I could be there by tea time tomorrow!
Sadly, it's only a matter of time before some dick on a wheel is going to lose it at high speeds in a populated area, and that 60, 70, even 100 lb wheel is going to bounce into a pedestrian at high speed head on and seriously hurt them or kill them... That rider will get in some serious trouble, probably see jail time and probably be sued for everything they have. Wheels will either require expensive insurance policies, or will more likely be completely banned. In these early days, wheel riders have better get it through their skulls, they are representing all EUC riders. If one of you gets them banned for everyone else, you will make a lot of people angry. Slow the F down. Especially in populated areas.
If you're on a bike trail around loads of pedestrians / bikers, do not ride 25+ mph, whoosing by them within inches. If you're on a two way street, do not push the limits of the wheel. Do not go down steps if you don't know what's at the bottom of them, as I see people doing on videos going down steps into subways. You won't be able to stop if a pedestrian decides to walk in front of you, and you're a 250+ lb object flying down at them from elevation.
I cant…i must comment:
With YOUR experience you should know that the max speed depends ALONE on the ACTUAL voltage.
Means ALL this crashes we see, had a good reason: The Voltage dropped and made the MAX speed going down. On one it was the hill behind the tree, on one it was the arm swinging forward and so on and so on. The max speed under LOAD is proportional much lower , the more the voltage is going down. So the slightest pressure can then lead to such high speed cutouts. Yours probably was the baterry getting lower and lower by range…so in the end the 45mph was to much. As long as people do not understand this ….it will never get better.
And the producers cant do anything against it…..as its a physical LAW on self balancers. You can integrate speed reduction, tiltback, beeps, whatsoever….when the voltage goes low….but as long as the driver pushes….the EUC must react this way.
Not caught on video, no bouncing down the street, dragged by stampeding horses. C'est la vie, take Ian along next time :-) Just kidding, any accident you can walk away from. No obvious reason? If you have used up the available power doing what you are doing, any bump any acceleration, change of incline, and you are going to be off. Further depending on your battery charge, voltage sag can put you into an unstable relationship between the batteries capacity to supply and demand. Safety gear, obviously a no brainer. Obey the beeps. Understand your wheel and its characteristic strengths and weaknesses. No show boating, nothing to prove, everyone on the road is an assassin out to get you, you wont go far wrong.
Excellent Jonno. It seems like nearly all the situations we hear about where…The fecking thing just cutout man……Is actually nearly always No6..Don’t Be A Dick. Very clearly if you really want to ride one of these things at 45/50 mph..You Are Putting Yourself At Risk! Also, always be respectful of other people, particularly pedestrians and small kids. It’s alway No6….. Don’t Be A Dick!👍
45mph? Pretty sure sus ex caps out way lower, you must of been beeping like crazy
Defenately for overpopulation :D Good to see you walk out properly!
i give you an emie award
I want an Oscar for over acting.
We need find your some one you can slap! While riding your euc. Maybe some one that’s talking $#|¥ about it.
did you scratch your butt at mark 19:00? LOL.
Think I was putting my phone away but may have had a cheeky scratch. The only way to tell is if I sniffed my finger or not. (Sorry that is gross!)
That wasn't a fake beard Jon. That looked more like a merkin from the 70's.
You are spot on!
lmao at 45 second mark
I am glad you appreciate it. Ruined a perfectly good shoe for that 10 second shot!
Stop taking the unicycles and maxing out the speed limit
yesterday i was riding the EUC and I thought about this video. I couldn't remember if you were riding 45 kmh or mph . I thought to myself that no way it was 45 mph . that would be suicide on this unregulated made in China by god knows who toy. I promised myself to check - I came back now and i see you really did it on 45 mph . my question is - Are you insane? you ride 45 mph near cars , buses , trucks on highway on this ?! you are lucky to be alive !. I guess you are around my age (50) - have family children etc. how can you do something like this ? I am not trying to insult you here or teach you how to live your life but apart from the funny and jokes - what went through your head when you decided to trust a machine that every day riders report about cutoffs and the internet is full of these videos ? every youtuber has crash stories (most of them even have a footage) with cutoff (and now you too) - you hardly can say "only if I knew there was a systematic problem with these machines" . 45mph ??!!
Why stick your head in the part of the video we need to focus on??
You talk too much!
Thanks for the feedback. I will try to work on that.