@Derrick Hand Good Tip! Im curious: what's your camera and why did you buy it? Or differently asked: How much did you spend on photography the last 5 years?
@Derrick Hand Yeah, film costs are the reason i went digital very early when i learned that photography is my thing. Nowadays you can get pretty good cameras for under 500€/£/$, though i don't know the Pentax lineup. If you want to stay cheap, buy a DSLR. Both cameras and lenses are getting cheap now with all the new dslm systems out, especially big brands like Canon and Nikon. As i said, i don't know about pentax. My dream goal at the moment is an apsc dslm to adapt my father's old manual olympus lenses, because it's hard to hit the focus on my 650D at 50mm 1.4. Nevertheless, i keep taking pictures and having fun. I just came back from vacation with some thousand pictures taken
For wildlife photography in a wet environment the argument doesn't hold. The weather-sealing failures of the A7riii are a deal-breaker, and the reach provided by the extra megapixels in the a7riv allows you to carry less glass.
Hip Hop Junky Radio Show I’m not afraid of heights but I am afraid of dying and the amount of people trying to take that money shot with a cellphone cam at the Grand Canyon was rather alarming.
I think I only want the R4 for crop mode. That to me is a crazy awesome feature. It’s like a crop sensor that can hulk out into an insane high end full frame megapixel camera.
I just got a very low time used a7riii for $2k. I have still a very low time used a7rii, a7sii, a7ii. I was soooo excited to get the a7riii until I used it. Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful camera, but not $1k more than the a7rii. Picture quality is exactly the same. I am still deciding whether to still sell the a7rii and the a7ii to pay for it, or sell the a7riii and just upgrade the glass for the a7rii. I don't shoot sports, so I don't spray and pray anyway. I compose every picture, so battery life was never a thing for me. I get cought up in the new camera gear propaganda all the time.
This is one of the better videos from you two. I like the natural, honest feel of the video. In my opinion, videos like this (and not the overproduced ones) have more intimate feel and the voiced opinion comes across more credible. I also liked that it is short, to the point and I love the effortless, subtle humor. :)
If only it was honest. They both talk about 2 of the best cameras in only negative ways, then.... randomly bring up a canonnwhich is no where near as good as either, and they are both fully in love with it. They are decent with their advertising, but recently so obvious.
@@lostinoc3528 I was hesitant to believe that view for a long time. I've always appreciated their blend of hard and soft analysis, fun, business, etc. I've learned a great deal and still will, from them. However, they just named the A7RIV the camera of the year for 2019. That was just a few weeks ago. It doesn't help - in my mind - that their Canon push is commensurate with a spike in general interest in Canon by many prosumers (including me) due to recent news of fixes and new gear. Whether they intend to or not, the entertainment portion of this is starting to "feel" more important than the truest sentiments.
@@JRhill they are one of my favorite photography channels, but obvious is obvious, they went from being seemingly honest, to being owned by canon. Whether or not canon will be the best ever, is yet to be seen. They aren't now though. Hopefully they at least stay somewhat entertaining while shilling.
LostinOC they are not owned by anyone just because they talk up or down a system that you don’t agree with. Canon fans been calling them Sony fanboys for a long time, before that Nikon fanboys, before that Canon. Yaada yadda, but, what most youtube pushers do is live in their own bubbles of perspective that don’t really mesh with real world buyers. This feels honest, but I’ll predict right now the next big thing will quickly become not enough for them either. Some of that is because it’s their job, some of it is from the bubble....lol
@@danieljohnston5306 owned was a slight exaggeration. However when your job is to be an influencer and a company pays you to influence others to buy their products, it is in a way important that they do what those who pay them want. I understand being a huge fan and just assuming everything they say they mean fully, no matter how obvious it is, some people will never see it or believe it. That is why influencers are the #1 way for a company to make sale. You can keep doing as they say, it is possible who they are pushing is the best. However at this very moment, canon is not.
Same, but I am drooling anyway. I definitely need to upgrade, just don't know how I can afford it. Guess it would be easier if people actually bought photos from me, but I'm no good at the selling aspect of photography.
Helena Of Detroit Hey I mean if it makes you happy then it’s money well spent! At least, that’s my justification for spending all my money on lenses and astrophotography gear lol
@@HelenaOfDetroit Every beginning is harder nowadays, but if you are passionate about your craft you'll find a market. I'm speaking from experience though my line of work is different, but still within the visual medium.
For me it’s really more about versatility. I wanted a Sony mirrorless equivalent to the D850 and Sony finally made that. This means less gear in my bag and less hassle. If speed really gets to me, the crop mode with 26 megapixels and basically full AF coverage is right there waiting for me. It depends what you’re looking for.
From camera of the year to dumping it? Wow! Ive shot with the riii and the riv and IMHO, for me, the difference is worth purchasing the riv. There are a lot of somewhat minor improvements, but the biggest one for my shooting is the ability to crop more aggressively. It really makes a difference when shooting, especially wildlife. Ive had many occasions when I could get by with my 70-200 vs. having to buy a longer more expensive lens. Also, I like the EVF much better as the increased resolution is very noticeable, especially when magnifying. I think the auto focus is better on the riv and that is something I also believe is worth paying for. I have noticed the difference between 399 points vs. 567 points in both auto focus and tracking ability. Anyway, just my opinion, I certainly value yours, but again, for me, the a7riv is well worth the price! best to you, Rick
I agree. The A7R4 is like having two cameras in one. When shooting birds, I often use the crop mode and that produces comparable files to my A73. When importing to LR, I skip the DNG conversion until after I have culled the images, then walk away and let the computer do the conversion. No big deal.
Switching from R3 to R4 made a descent difference for me. I cared more about quality and not about time .. very rarely to miss out on something extraordinary happening, however, with my R4, i am finding my work on LR and video editing becoming a bit easier and more sharper than the R3 were. Besides, the quality shows, if you were to do 3d prints for products, or bigger size posters. My final verdict is that i love my R3, i use it now for social events, for quick pictures for online ads and / or social media, but for more professional use, i will always chose the R4 with a heart beat, for i know 99.99% chance my pictures will turn out to be to my liking. However, and to be completely honest, for a novice to med professional user, they might not be able to see the difference right away, and therefore , i understand if they chose the R3 instead , where they can invest the extra $ into the accessories. It makes complete sense, and either way you would be making a great choice.
Same here, though I wouldn't refuse an R4, it's not a massive jump up from the R3 to justify an upgrade at this stage. Value-wise, the R3 will win, especially if you don't need the extra or improved features of the R4. If I needed a second body, it would likely be the R3 unless I had a large budget.
I'm glad i stuck with my Nikon Z6 when I added it to my Nikon kit its fast and the body handles great. Im sick of feature overload. I want the basics to work well.
That sounds a bit Pentaxian. Admitting indirectly, that cameras are behind, therefore retreating to handling and basics. Actually, I'm truly afraid that Nikon Z might become the new Pentax of the next DSLM decade. I still shoot my Nikon DSLR, but I'm not considering Nikon Z at the moment. Because also I want the basics to work well, but my definition of "basics" for mirrorless may be different (AF, including Eye AF, two card slots, basic lens selection within the non-overpriced lens segment).
I broke my a7iii and decided to take the leap for the a7riv. The MP are fun, but overkill. But the body and button upgrades make so much of a difference for me. It is far more enjoyable to use, and that means something to me.
People have to understand the difference between the two. the R4 is best for stills and single shots. With the 61MP, you capture literally every detail of your image area, which makes it perfect for portraits in both dark and vibrant scenes. The R4 was NEVER meant to be a sports/performance camera. It was not designed to be a camera that you bring to the soccer field. Because of its ridiculously high resolution, the files are much larger than the R3. So go figure it takes the buffer so long to clear, even with the higher end SD card. High MP cameras are distinctly designed for one particular purpose: portraits. On the other hand, the R3 is a jack of all trades. It can do everything you want. Sports photography? You got it. You can achieve up to 10 FPS and still maintain great quality images. Wanna do stills and portraits? Easily done with its 42MP capabilities. Even videographers will absolutely love the R3 for its crisp 4K quality. Its a matter of perspective and understanding how you intend to use the camera. Shop wisely.
It is good to see you two re-thinking your camera decisions like we all do. In the long run, it is not about the money, it is about the experience and happiness it gives you, and for professionals, it is about the money it makes you. I have watched reviews, decided I need/wanted a new camera, then 6 month later when it went on sale I got it. By then I could not remember why I wanted/needed it. I still have not quite figured it out yet. Next time I need to take notes. Yes, I have your book, but too intimidated to open it yet.
I shot with the R3 from literally day one. All types of photography and loved it. Bought the R4 day one and love it. If I could I would stick the R3 sensor in the R4 simply to avoid the high ISO hit... which by my stigmatization is about 1.5 stops worse in the R4. The added noise does not clean up to the point of being equal upon down sampling. But between the two if I can only have one I'd still keep the R4. The R3 ISO performance was improved once with a firmware update so if they do the same with the R4 then it's a total win win. My favorite things about the R4 is that you can shoot in crop mode and still have 26mp and that you can store your custom settings on a memory card. Would not go back to the R3 at any price.
@@markrigg6623 That option is better than crippled cameras or cameras with constant recalls.That's one of the main reasons I chose it,because Pentax makes sure they make great products without cheating the consumer,taking away card slots and other stupidity.
And as Canon announces a twin slot body with IBIS I'm sitting here with my 5 year old Pentax that has all of that as well as better build and weathersealing and a functional version of the picture stacking mentioned by Tony.
I don't particularly disagree with anything you explained, that being said, there are other benefits the a7r4 provides, that the a7r3 does not: Animal eye AF, real time tracking, larger grip, better weathersealing, better EVF, 2x UHS-II card slots, USB-C vs Micro, better feeling buttons, faster wireless connectivity to phones, wireless tethering, phase detect AF at higher Fstops allowing the use of teleconverters on telephoto lenses - on top of having more megapixels while retaining same dynamic range and ISO performance. This is a lot of benefits: Are they worth the price difference? That's subjective. :)
The Canon EOS R needs better tracking for sports/wildlife and definitely dual card slots added. Glad I didn’t bother to upgrade to the a7rIV, guess I wait until something better then my a9 and a7r3 comes out. Sometimes I do miss my d850, I still feel it was a great camera.
Honestly this was my favorite video you guys have done to date and it has nothing to do with saving money on the R3. This format just seemed like a much more candid and authentic discussion about your experience, than comparing specs in the studio on the big tv. I'd love to see more content like this from you guys.
I'm currently an A7III/A6600 shooter considering something with a higher mp count. I do envy that Canon 15-35mm, but at least so far... Canon would be a larger, heavier and significantly more expensive system to invest in.
I asked a few month ago a friend that has a medium format and he told me he can't shoot wedding with that because the processing is just too much time consuming, they got a very good point here, what's the reason to have more MegaPixel if you miss the shot because the buffer is full ? I was blown away by the new 61 MPx sensor but then I'm like the vast majority of people will never gonna need that much. Great Video, this is by far the best photography channel.
Every 6 months there's a new make or model released that equals or surpasses the others and it's "Time to switch?!?!?" all over again. You can almost mark your calendar to it.
@@RiceCake-ep9gu Competition is good and we all want the best equipment possible, whatever that is. But these days, some photographers are switching camera systems more often than some people change their socks. It's crazy.
I'm a Canon lover, period… But they are professional camera reviewers. It's the bulk of their channel. Their gear is their business, not as much their photos. One of the best, most honest approaches to camera reviewing is to actually live with a camera like they've done. For months and months and months they were totally sold on the current Sony bodies, but now once the allure of the small upsides have lost their pull, they've honestly backtracked. Who would have ever thought?
@@longliveclassicmusic And who knows what the coming next few months will mean. Canon obviously has something big in the works but it is doubtful the Sony engineers have been doing nothing behind the scenes.
I don't get it, you guys used the a7r4 last year and in December voted it camera of the year 2019. You stated that you were both going to adopt the A7r4 over the a7r3 because of its important upgrades, like weather sealing etc, no mention of having to wait longer when downloading 500-1000 images. The a7r3 has two card slots but only one is UHSii, the overall write speed to the cards is dictated by the slower card speed. The a7r4 has two high speed slots, it makes a difference. The ability to crop an image like crazy is handy, especially if you use primes and can't get the reach. I believe the reasons why you voted the a7R4 camera of the year 2019 just a few weeks ago are still valid.
@@Britton0932 you don't use a 0.69 aperture to get things in focus, you'd rather focus on the out of focus areas which will be pretty much edge to edge
I have a problem with really high megapixels. We are essentially saying millions of images taken 10-15 years ago at much lower mpx were a waste of time and should be ditched because they’re not nearly good enough.
Exactly! Just remember its all marketing, Sony needs to come out with something that sounds superior than its last product so they keep on making sales, 5mp is still fine in this day and age, no matter what camera manufacturers and marketers want you to use.
To be honest, when I process the G9 "Hires" 80MP images it doesn't seem that onerous on my PC, but then I am using a recent 8 core Ryzen with 32GB DDR4, and RAID0 SSDs, not a silly laptop.
I suppose it all depends on whether your an amateur, an amateur that has visions of becoming a pro, or a pro, Sports pro.. Personally I'm just an amateur, Nikon D810, I have good glass, so if I did it would be to a D850, etc. Hard to justify cost of spending when results aren't going to be different for what I use it for. Love the vids, tips, reviews
For wildlife, the higher megapixel image on the a7r4 means you can shoot with less zoom and get same results. And remember the a7r4 can shoot aps-c to really reduce file size. I just bought the a7Riv and find aps-c mode with the 70-300 zoom makes a nice daytime wildlife setup giving me reach of 450mm and still plenty of megapixels in my images to work with. Also the r4 just feels better to me. I tried both and just didn't like the way the r3 felt in my hands... r4 feels much more natural.
Er, no. Canon cheated on me three times (with major technical faults - not cripple hammer related) - there’s only so many times you can forgive. Like any relationship, trust is everything. Canon betrayed my trust.
I've had my eye on the Sony A7R iv to use for my macro and wildlife photography. Currently I am shooting with a Fuji XT-3 and the extra detail for macro is important. As for wildlife I would use it in crop mode for the added reach. (This would probably take the buffering issue out of the equation) Just thinking out loud as I probably won't switch anytime soon... Cheers, Greg
Such a big difference from their first review which was all glowing. to be fair, they are willing to update their reviews and remain neutral unlike most other Tubers
Not really. It's not like there is a newly discovered fault. These are somewhat minor nitpiks, and Chelsea said as much. The larger MP count is awesome for cropping in on wildlife shots, etc. I don't own one, but have watched enough real world reviews.
I switched to the A7r4 when my a7r3 broke and bestbuy gave me the gift card for the full purchase value. I switched just because of the ergonomics. Feels much better in hand. Much more comfortable. The buttons feel better. The mechanical shutter is wayyyy more silent and subdued. The exposure dial has the lock. Literally everything is better economically. Only thing I wish is that it would just have been the same or slightly improved 42mp sensor as the a7r3
my main consideration for ever considering mark IV is the crop capabilities, i always can crop the pics and still get sharp image.. else the RIII already fill 80% of the needs
the R4 is requesting more quality on lenses for giving its maximum, and this is a real budget issue at the end. I keep my R3, enough for my all images ...
Patrick, good point. Even for optically perfect lenses, the higher pixel count requires that you have to keep the lens wider open to avoid diffraction blur. So, more megapixels means less depth of field.
I have both..agree with many points, but find I reach for the RIV for its tracking autofocus feature to set a tracking focus point and then recompose, I find the eye focus is quicker and stickier than the RIII and I get an average of 10% more shots in razor focus on the RIV.. over time that adds up.. the RIV is easier to operate with the better ergonomics in cold weather with gloves due to the raised buttons .. etc. is it worth $1000 more? Depends. For a pro.. maybe . The bigger file sizes and slower workflow won’t matter much as computer performance improves.. I keep my camera bodies longer than my computers.. I’ve tried the video eye focus ability and am pretty amazed at how good it is.. Last.. most camera makers that matter are moving to very high megapixel cameras for their pro models .. so get used to it
If time is that important, I'm seeing how smart those engineers were in the M4/3 camp, especially in light of how much, large prints are generated and how much, low light shooting is done by the "average Joe" ...... hmmmmm
Hi Ken, I do more than 50% in available light, so I'm the exception to "average Joe". But yeah, I think you're right for the great majority of people. Even though I'm currently trying to get to the bottom of who has the better full-frame IBIS at the extremes of stills handholding.
here are some of the reasons for R4 over R3 61MP - 30% more (landscape v portrait benefit) 26MP in crop mode EVF better res 2 Fast Cards Improved buttons (more pronounced) no recording time limit for video new tracking mode pixel shift detail new chipset 1.8 x faster ftp in background faster touch screen response additional aspect ratio focus frame colour choice min aperture for phase detection tracking from F8 to F11 low light performance 1 stop My Menu and can set to default Different function menu for stills and video My Menu Save all camera settings to card ibis improved by half stop My Dial settings improved on/off button shutter button button and placement better weather sealing
This is hard. Even though I know the big 3 brands are all great I have Sony cameras and I want all the CZcams celebrities to affirm my investment. This is what Sony needs though. The last thing we want is for them to sit back and try to save money on R&D
The A7R4 is two cameras in one. Nothing says you have to take 61 meg shots. I own the camera and use the 61 mpx for landscapes and other times when I need to crop a lot. Unless it's for focus stacking don't understand the need to shoot multiple images of the same landscape composition. The OLED view finder will show whether you got the shot or did not. And given the wide range of the sensor, I almost never need to bracket. For bird photography, I shoot compressed RAW and vary between APSC or full-frame. I edit on an older 5K Mac and have to wait longer for some things, but it isn't a burden.
The XT4 looks amazing. The trouble I'd have with going to Fuji is there's no upgrade path to full frame and the lens reviews I've seen make me questions the library of glass. On paper they have plenty of glass, but in practice the lenses appear to be noisier and slower than what I'm getting on Sony.
@@marklarson3934 fuji treats their customers right with great cameras, lenses, and constant real firmware updates that actually improve the camera over time and not just fix things that should have been fixed on release. FUJI FAN for life :)
Super sad to hear you guys so down on the RIV after more time with it. Your initial reviews and impressions have been a big motivator for me to go out and jump in to the mirrorless Sony world. I ended up going with the IV in part due to some of that enthusiasm, and I wish this video was out on Wednesday to help me temper myself a little more before I took the plunge and made my order. But that’s life. I’m super excited to learn this system and to really challenge myself to grow here. I really just wanted to thank you guys for being honest and for continuously putting yourself out there. You guys are great and I always look forward to your next thoughts.
There are about 50 small and big updates you can make the argument the R3 is better value or even that 42 megapixels is enough but this is far from the whole story.... 29min record limit, tested with 1 card not 2 i bet, better weather sealing, tracking etc etc etc... I own both and the R4 is just better now if its better value thats vert personal.
Saying the a7R IV isn’t worth it over the a7R III is like saying the a7R III isn’t worth it over the a7 III. Also, you must be doing something wrong to completely fail using the pixel shift function every singe time. It should totally be possible when done correctly.
Wanted to add that the A7r4 has a slow storage controller. If you calculate the write speed based on time, it is much slower than the 300MB/s that the card offers for writes.
Years ago, I shot on a Canon 5d. It was my first "real full frame" camera. And, I never really took great photos with it. Now, I'm taking much better photographs with the mirrorless Fuji XT-3, your crop sensor camera of the year last year. I think the camera helped me become a better photographer. I could see myself moving back to Canon for the (expensive) RF lenses, which seem amazing and a full frame sensor, but I wish I could just adapt them to my Fuji or that Fuji would make a full-frame camera.
The only reason I want more MP than my A73 has is because then I can shoot wider knowing I'm going to crop in. That way if I'm not perfectly level or didn't otherwise nail the framing I'm still golden. But A7R3 would get that for me anyway.
Chelsea, I believe you got it exactly right not seeing great advantage (real wold, considering cost) going to to A7RIV from the A7RIII. In short, productivity is greatly impacted and costs are substantially increased (storage, transfer, rendition, ...) highly disproportionate to (almost any) value when it comes to real world application. The benefit is minimal most of the time. Also, considering Canon seems to be on the verge of providing new body offerings (R5/6) in rough parity (perhaps superior is some regards) to Sony offerings I would think the well reviewed RF lenses would compel at least a strong look, if not change once a little time for evaluation has passed. Canon seems to be in a position to make themselves a real player, but, in my view, still needs to prove themselves when it comes to sensors (like when it comes to dynamic range), so be careful. For me, the Sony still seems to be the way forward as third party glass (Sigma, Tokina) makes the Sony system far more affordable in the near term.
Such BS ,In six months they'll be switching back from canon or to the next new thing. Both cameras are great & the points made are just an excuse to stay in the product hype biz.
Had two a7RIII and switched one out for the a7RIV. I like having one of each I admit. Use the a7RIII for walk around the a7RIV for more landscape and architecture work. Of course neither has replaced my a9 which I use for sports and wildlife so there cameras for every different purpose. Used to shoot all Canon and have tried the EOS R and it will be interesting to see what this EOS R5 will be to see if, for mirrorless, they become a leader again. I personally really don't shoot video so I discount that from most my decisions on cameras except when I consider resale and what others want for the the used market. Thanks for the video.
"speed is important to me"...2 min later:"you can just take a panorama, you load them in Lightroom and click panorama, then it just takes a few minutes"
@TimurKaramov They are referring to two different types of photography. Speed can be very important when shooting BIF for example. If it takes a long time for the cameras buffer to clear you're not shooting at all. A panorama does not require speed in the field. Plus the only way to create a panorama is to take time on the computer.
I think, your points are fair, as many said, the R IV is not for everyone. I also think, that the R IV does make more sense if you're coming from an R or R II (or any other older camera). Sure, the R IV is great with it's body and all, but the R III is fine as well. Also, Canon and Nikon make good cameras as well (although, for their price, they're just not really worth it). And yes, Sony has some huge problems in general (no closed shutter when off, no switching of resolution [except like 26MP APS-C] etc). Will upgrade to the R IV as well ... But I do come from an EOS600D // Rebel T3i, so the jump will be significant.
But so many people are, it seems. Every 6 months some new model emerges that equals or surpasses the others and it's "Time to switch?!?!?" all over again.
It's original till the next gushing review. Buy! Buy! Buy! Then jump ship to another camera or system and follow our affiliate links. This is less a photography channel and more a shopping channel. But we already knew that ha ha.
This is a very important question since I've seen in multiple reviews that A7RIII has a more yellowish tint to the skin tone compared to A7III. Sony supposedly changed color science since A7III.
@@PrincessAshly Exactly! I have a 128GB XQD in my camera. That holds about 2k uncompressed RAWs. Because I got tired of having great shots with missed focus or other flaws I developed the habit of taking three to four shots of each composition. And with all that memory available to me I can just do that without ever running out of storage. So I don't think this is overshooting but rather a backup plan for making sure you are getting all the shots you want.
Honestly when it comes to photography the only thing I would want out of my R3 would be a 24 megapixel shooting mode so that when i shoot people they don't have to see the inside of their pores
I think people are obsessing over canon glass but forgets how they screw over their customers on a daily basis.... I mean the EOSR and RP are horrible cameras for anything. Glass is so expensive most non pro togs wont even get to buy them and they nerf/strangle the cameras to make them do 1 thing great and the rest awefull not to chip in on their other cameras. Never again canon!
Tony, seriously?!?? The Earth rotating is affecting sharpness? When you've high MP count, usually anything will affect sharpness, a car driving by (even when distant) or yourself near the tripod as it's impossible to stand absolutely still, or the usual wind that will affect sharpness even if it's blowing at 3mph. But please... Earth's rotation...
First off, I love your channel!!! It’s a source I often frequent to make an informed decision when it comes to photography. Chelsea’s argument holds a ton of merit when it comes to the A7Riv, especially when it comes to the buffer. However, I would highly recommend reevaluating your editing machines and their native abilities to handle the new load of data you’re throwing at them when it comes to the editing process. I designed my rig to purposefully handle the data overhead the A7Riv throws at it and it doesn’t bat an eyelash when it comes to load times or edits. The crux I, and anyone for that matter, face is the added storage hinderance the A7Riv introduces which in turn means larger and more expensive SSD’s to handle said capacities... M.2 drives are highly recommended here given their rd/wr speeds are inherently faster than anything on the market but you’re gonna pay for them for sure... Thank you for the content and I look forward to many more videos from you two!
Wow! I literally JUST bought the A7riv...I mean a couple of hours ago...I have a hollow feeling in my gut...I spent a lot of time researching...weeks and weeks...I love your videos...but, I know I'll love it...
Greeting all, I have the Sony a7rii and recently purchase the a7riv . I edit my photos on a 2015 iMac with 32 of gb ram. The editing software that I use is capture one pro which was free with the of purchase of the a7rii . I still use capture one pro (update version) and it loads the 61 mp file of the a7riv just as fast . I personally of not used any other editing software because this one was free in the box, Try capture one and compare it to other editing software in term of loading large file speed. Thank you
I shoot and love my Canon EOS R it’s just very comfortable and fast focusing and I’m definitely with Chelsea on this one in saying If I shot Sony it’d be the A7riii. Great side by side I love this “what I’m feeling is right” camera discussion.
I started photography 10 months ago. Now I'm blowing everybody out of the water due to my due diligence of studying. This book was one of the first books that I read. It's funny cuz less than a year ago. I didn't even know what the hell the exposure triangle was and now I'm making the most beautiful landscape and portrait photos ever! Thank you guys for making a Great book. You guys are absolutely stunning together, and I love you both. .
I own the both cameras and there is something about the post editing that makes it easier to edit and pics look better on the on my r4. For weddings r4 for causal shootings r3
I have not used Canon, but shot with the best Nikon cameras and glass but swapped to Sony in 2016. I cannot imagine glass better than the Sony lenses. I mostly use the A7Riii and got it right as soon as it came out. I’ve been perfectly happy and I’m always working large and pixel pushing.
I have the a7RIV, a7RIII, and a9, and I have specific reasons I use each one. It's not a matter of which one to "switch" to, it's a matter of which one to use for a particular situation. BUT ... if I HAD to choose only one, it would definitely be the a7RIV ... it does more of the things that are most important to me than the other two. AND ... I find that for whatever reason, I tend to have to do less processing of the raw files from the a7RIV ... it was one of the first things I noticed when I first got the RIV.
First, there are quite alot of SD cards out there. Second, No SD card, not even the TOUGH delivers the speed that it claims to have under optimal conditions.
I’d be interested to see a speed comparison between the cataloging and editing tools. The problem seems more to be lightroom than it is big files. I use photomechanic, even on my 2012 MacBook Air, it’s fast, not something I’d say about lightroom. Lightroom is using 4GB RAM (I only have 8GB total), where as RAWTherapee is using 650MB. Whilst I can see that many prefer Lightroom for various reasons, faster software would be cheaper for most than new computer, especially if it means you have to buy a 16inch laptop, when you really only want to carry a 13inch.
After a year owning both the a7Riii and the a7Riv I sold the a7Riii which was languishing. I appreciate Chelsea's impatience with large files, but I expose fewer frames and am more pleased with ability to crop further which extends the reach of telephoto lenses and the magnification I can get in wild flower closeups. When I don't want monster files I use my a7iii, and in a few months will replace it with an a7iv.
And here i sit with my 10 year old Canon apsc, saving money to get a new ND filter 😶
Start a channel, get 1 million subscribers with lots of uploads with viewers, be sponsored, and you too can have any camera and lens you want.
@Derrick Hand Good Tip! Im curious: what's your camera and why did you buy it? Or differently asked: How much did you spend on photography the last 5 years?
@Derrick Hand Yeah, film costs are the reason i went digital very early when i learned that photography is my thing. Nowadays you can get pretty good cameras for under 500€/£/$, though i don't know the Pentax lineup. If you want to stay cheap, buy a DSLR. Both cameras and lenses are getting cheap now with all the new dslm systems out, especially big brands like Canon and Nikon. As i said, i don't know about pentax.
My dream goal at the moment is an apsc dslm to adapt my father's old manual olympus lenses, because it's hard to hit the focus on my 650D at 50mm 1.4. Nevertheless, i keep taking pictures and having fun. I just came back from vacation with some thousand pictures taken
Same here, just replace Canon with Nikon.
Derrick Hand BEST BUY in your price range is PENTAX K-70 Period!
For wildlife photography in a wet environment the argument doesn't hold. The weather-sealing failures of the A7riii are a deal-breaker, and the reach provided by the extra megapixels in the a7riv allows you to carry less glass.
yeah my r3 flappy port doors are already losing their "seal" when pressed in.
This is the only instance of a Bret Weinstein comment that isn't embroiled in controversy
That coupon code gave me flashbacks to hotline commercials that aired at 3 AM.
I was thinking something similar
I just bought your Photography book Without using the discount because I appreciate ALL the Free info you give us via You Tube. Thanks
All I want is the perfect camera!!!
That Camera Conspiracies guy is hilarious!
according too camera-jesus its the d860
Your dream has come true = the New Canon EOS R5
The Sony a7 IV will be the perfect camera!
Sony a1
Tony’s look of disappointment at the coupon choice
I never understood photographers that took shots on the edge of a cliff. Scary 🙄
It wasn't disappointment, look again. He was distant, thinking about....
@@footsy420 ....love69
I like 69.
Hip Hop Junky Radio Show I’m not afraid of heights but I am afraid of dying and the amount of people trying to take that money shot with a cellphone cam at the Grand Canyon was rather alarming.
There's not enough Tony in the background 😂
Camera Conspiracy reference 😂
@@65Drums Kasey is becoming Legend!
Yes this definitely needs more Tony! :D
I think I only want the R4 for crop mode. That to me is a crazy awesome feature. It’s like a crop sensor that can hulk out into an insane high end full frame megapixel camera.
same reason I want it.
Why I am sticking with the Sony A7R2, an even older camera: I have no money. 😅
It's not worth the upgrade, maybe with the a7rv
I just got a very low time used a7riii for $2k. I have still a very low time used a7rii, a7sii, a7ii.
I was soooo excited to get the a7riii until I used it. Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful camera, but not $1k more than the a7rii. Picture quality is exactly the same.
I am still deciding whether to still sell the a7rii and the a7ii to pay for it, or sell the a7riii and just upgrade the glass for the a7rii. I don't shoot sports, so I don't spray and pray anyway. I compose every picture, so battery life was never a thing for me. I get cought up in the new camera gear propaganda all the time.
@@RiceCake-ep9gu just buy an a99ii
It’s not the money. You just know better than to be swayed by measurebators.
I’m still getting booked using my Sony A7s for portrait photography 🥴
Now I like my a7iii that I bought a month back, even more..😊😊😊😍😍😍
This is one of the better videos from you two. I like the natural, honest feel of the video. In my opinion, videos like this (and not the overproduced ones) have more intimate feel and the voiced opinion comes across more credible. I also liked that it is short, to the point and I love the effortless, subtle humor. :)
If only it was honest. They both talk about 2 of the best cameras in only negative ways, then.... randomly bring up a canonnwhich is no where near as good as either, and they are both fully in love with it. They are decent with their advertising, but recently so obvious.
@@lostinoc3528 I was hesitant to believe that view for a long time. I've always appreciated their blend of hard and soft analysis, fun, business, etc. I've learned a great deal and still will, from them. However, they just named the A7RIV the camera of the year for 2019. That was just a few weeks ago. It doesn't help - in my mind - that their Canon push is commensurate with a spike in general interest in Canon by many prosumers (including me) due to recent news of fixes and new gear. Whether they intend to or not, the entertainment portion of this is starting to "feel" more important than the truest sentiments.
@@JRhill they are one of my favorite photography channels, but obvious is obvious, they went from being seemingly honest, to being owned by canon. Whether or not canon will be the best ever, is yet to be seen. They aren't now though. Hopefully they at least stay somewhat entertaining while shilling.
LostinOC they are not owned by anyone just because they talk up or down a system that you don’t agree with. Canon fans been calling them Sony fanboys for a long time, before that Nikon fanboys, before that Canon. Yaada yadda, but, what most youtube pushers do is live in their own bubbles of perspective that don’t really mesh with real world buyers. This feels honest, but I’ll predict right now the next big thing will quickly become not enough for them either. Some of that is because it’s their job, some of it is from the bubble....lol
@@danieljohnston5306 owned was a slight exaggeration. However when your job is to be an influencer and a company pays you to influence others to buy their products, it is in a way important that they do what those who pay them want. I understand being a huge fan and just assuming everything they say they mean fully, no matter how obvious it is, some people will never see it or believe it. That is why influencers are the #1 way for a company to make sale. You can keep doing as they say, it is possible who they are pushing is the best. However at this very moment, canon is not.
Can't afford either, but watching because I like the tech.
Same, but I am drooling anyway. I definitely need to upgrade, just don't know how I can afford it. Guess it would be easier if people actually bought photos from me, but I'm no good at the selling aspect of photography.
Helena Of Detroit Hey I mean if it makes you happy then it’s money well spent! At least, that’s my justification for spending all my money on lenses and astrophotography gear lol
@@HelenaOfDetroit Every beginning is harder nowadays, but if you are passionate about your craft you'll find a market. I'm speaking from experience though my line of work is different, but still within the visual medium.
Aim high never settle low. The more you watch the closer the camera is to you.
Love69 for a Valentine's Day code 💀💀💀 lol
exactly what I was thinking, my favourite position to be in on that special day :)
Tony was struggling to keep a straight face.
Lighten up Francis
Roger Huston Chelsea looked so proud of herself 😆😂
LOL
For me it’s really more about versatility. I wanted a Sony mirrorless equivalent to the D850 and Sony finally made that. This means less gear in my bag and less hassle. If speed really gets to me, the crop mode with 26 megapixels and basically full AF coverage is right there waiting for me. It depends what you’re looking for.
From camera of the year to dumping it? Wow!
Ive shot with the riii and the riv and IMHO, for me, the difference is worth purchasing the riv.
There are a lot of somewhat minor improvements, but the biggest one for my shooting is the ability to crop more aggressively. It really makes a difference when shooting, especially wildlife. Ive had many occasions when I could get by with my 70-200 vs. having to buy a longer more expensive lens.
Also, I like the EVF much better as the increased resolution is very noticeable, especially when magnifying.
I think the auto focus is better on the riv and that is something I also believe is worth paying for. I have noticed the difference between 399 points vs. 567 points in both auto focus and tracking ability.
Anyway, just my opinion, I certainly value yours, but again, for me, the a7riv is well worth the price!
best to you,
Rick
I agree. The A7R4 is like having two cameras in one. When shooting birds, I often use the crop mode and that produces comparable files to my A73. When importing to LR, I skip the DNG conversion until after I have culled the images, then walk away and let the computer do the conversion. No big deal.
Thats why its Always a Personal choice
Switching from R3 to R4 made a descent difference for me. I cared more about quality and not about time .. very rarely to miss out on something extraordinary happening, however, with my R4, i am finding my work on LR and video editing becoming a bit easier and more sharper than the R3 were. Besides, the quality shows, if you were to do 3d prints for products, or bigger size posters. My final verdict is that i love my R3, i use it now for social events, for quick pictures for online ads and / or social media, but for more professional use, i will always chose the R4 with a heart beat, for i know 99.99% chance my pictures will turn out to be to my liking. However, and to be completely honest, for a novice to med professional user, they might not be able to see the difference right away, and therefore , i understand if they chose the R3 instead , where they can invest the extra $ into the accessories. It makes complete sense, and either way you would be making a great choice.
Have had my a7r3 from day one and have no interest in the a7r4. Just not enough
Same here, though I wouldn't refuse an R4, it's not a massive jump up from the R3 to justify an upgrade at this stage.
Value-wise, the R3 will win, especially if you don't need the extra or improved features of the R4.
If I needed a second body, it would likely be the R3 unless I had a large budget.
I'm glad i stuck with my Nikon Z6 when I added it to my Nikon kit its fast and the body handles great. Im sick of feature overload. I want the basics to work well.
me too.
That sounds a bit Pentaxian. Admitting indirectly, that cameras are behind, therefore retreating to handling and basics. Actually, I'm truly afraid that Nikon Z might become the new Pentax of the next DSLM decade. I still shoot my Nikon DSLR, but I'm not considering Nikon Z at the moment. Because also I want the basics to work well, but my definition of "basics" for mirrorless may be different (AF, including Eye AF, two card slots, basic lens selection within the non-overpriced lens segment).
me too
Same here, and hey I wonder what camera brand uses a XQD card. Lol
The basics like two card slots in a pro body 🙃
I broke my a7iii and decided to take the leap for the a7riv. The MP are fun, but overkill. But the body and button upgrades make so much of a difference for me. It is far more enjoyable to use, and that means something to me.
then just use in crop mode or 24mp. Problem resolved
People have to understand the difference between the two. the R4 is best for stills and single shots. With the 61MP, you capture literally every detail of your image area, which makes it perfect for portraits in both dark and vibrant scenes. The R4 was NEVER meant to be a sports/performance camera. It was not designed to be a camera that you bring to the soccer field. Because of its ridiculously high resolution, the files are much larger than the R3. So go figure it takes the buffer so long to clear, even with the higher end SD card. High MP cameras are distinctly designed for one particular purpose: portraits. On the other hand, the R3 is a jack of all trades. It can do everything you want. Sports photography? You got it. You can achieve up to 10 FPS and still maintain great quality images. Wanna do stills and portraits? Easily done with its 42MP capabilities. Even videographers will absolutely love the R3 for its crisp 4K quality. Its a matter of perspective and understanding how you intend to use the camera. Shop wisely.
You Guys are Great together, the synergy...and I have learned SOOOO much...Thank You..
It is good to see you two re-thinking your camera decisions like we all do. In the long run, it is not about the money, it is about the experience and happiness it gives you, and for professionals, it is about the money it makes you. I have watched reviews, decided I need/wanted a new camera, then 6 month later when it went on sale I got it. By then I could not remember why I wanted/needed it. I still have not quite figured it out yet. Next time I need to take notes. Yes, I have your book, but too intimidated to open it yet.
That was a really good video guys! I like the juxtaposition of Chelseas approach to photography in comparison to Tonys.
Yin and Yang?
I shot with the R3 from literally day one. All types of photography and loved it. Bought the R4 day one and love it. If I could I would stick the R3 sensor in the R4 simply to avoid the high ISO hit... which by my stigmatization is about 1.5 stops worse in the R4. The added noise does not clean up to the point of being equal upon down sampling. But between the two if I can only have one I'd still keep the R4. The R3 ISO performance was improved once with a firmware update so if they do the same with the R4 then it's a total win win. My favorite things about the R4 is that you can shoot in crop mode and still have 26mp and that you can store your custom settings on a memory card. Would not go back to the R3 at any price.
I'm switching to Pentax
and you would love the K1mk2...and less money..no menu issues,more control from the body itself
@@markrigg6623 That option is better than crippled cameras or cameras with constant recalls.That's one of the main reasons I chose it,because Pentax makes sure they make great products without cheating the consumer,taking away card slots and other stupidity.
@@markrigg6623 oh yeah,and we all heard that same crap about Olympus and Pentax as well,who have the BEST IBIS/quality control/bang for the buck.
@@markrigg6623 Just repeating the SUV/film/micro 4/3,DSLR,is 'dead',rhetoric,while Pentax makes a new camera///
And as Canon announces a twin slot body with IBIS I'm sitting here with my 5 year old Pentax that has all of that as well as better build and weathersealing and a functional version of the picture stacking mentioned by Tony.
I wasn't planning on upgrading from the R3 to the R4, but at $1000 off the retail price of an R4, it was a no brainer
I don't particularly disagree with anything you explained, that being said, there are other benefits the a7r4 provides, that the a7r3 does not: Animal eye AF, real time tracking, larger grip, better weathersealing, better EVF, 2x UHS-II card slots, USB-C vs Micro, better feeling buttons, faster wireless connectivity to phones, wireless tethering, phase detect AF at higher Fstops allowing the use of teleconverters on telephoto lenses - on top of having more megapixels while retaining same dynamic range and ISO performance. This is a lot of benefits: Are they worth the price difference? That's subjective. :)
RIII has animal af & USB-C ... at least the one that is sitting on my table ...
@@moritzbriegleb7445 you're absolutely right. Thought it was more like a9 than a7iii.
The Canon EOS R needs better tracking for sports/wildlife and definitely dual card slots added. Glad I didn’t bother to upgrade to the a7rIV, guess I wait until something better then my a9 and a7r3 comes out. Sometimes I do miss my d850, I still feel it was a great camera.
We want more Tony background!
Honestly this was my favorite video you guys have done to date and it has nothing to do with saving money on the R3. This format just seemed like a much more candid and authentic discussion about your experience, than comparing specs in the studio on the big tv. I'd love to see more content like this from you guys.
I'm currently an A7III/A6600 shooter considering something with a higher mp count. I do envy that Canon 15-35mm, but at least so far... Canon would be a larger, heavier and significantly more expensive system to invest in.
Chelsea & Camera Conspiracies is the collab I want... 😂pls pls 🙏🏽
100%
I asked a few month ago a friend that has a medium format and he told me he can't shoot wedding with that because the processing is just too much time consuming, they got a very good point here, what's the reason to have more MegaPixel if you miss the shot because the buffer is full ?
I was blown away by the new 61 MPx sensor but then I'm like the vast majority of people will never gonna need that much.
Great Video, this is by far the best photography channel.
Wish I had the money to bounce around camera systems on a whim ...:-(
Every 6 months there's a new make or model released that equals or surpasses the others and it's "Time to switch?!?!?" all over again. You can almost mark your calendar to it.
@@RiceCake-ep9gu Competition is good and we all want the best equipment possible, whatever that is. But these days, some photographers are switching camera systems more often than some people change their socks. It's crazy.
I'm a Canon lover, period… But they are professional camera reviewers. It's the bulk of their channel. Their gear is their business, not as much their photos. One of the best, most honest approaches to camera reviewing is to actually live with a camera like they've done. For months and months and months they were totally sold on the current Sony bodies, but now once the allure of the small upsides have lost their pull, they've honestly backtracked. Who would have ever thought?
@@longliveclassicmusic And who knows what the coming next few months will mean. Canon obviously has something big in the works but it is doubtful the Sony engineers have been doing nothing behind the scenes.
I don't get it, you guys used the a7r4 last year and in December voted it camera of the year 2019. You stated that you were both going to adopt the A7r4 over the a7r3 because of its important upgrades, like weather sealing etc, no mention of having to wait longer when downloading 500-1000 images. The a7r3 has two card slots but only one is UHSii, the overall write speed to the cards is dictated by the slower card speed. The a7r4 has two high speed slots, it makes a difference. The ability to crop an image like crazy is handy, especially if you use primes and can't get the reach. I believe the reasons why you voted the a7R4 camera of the year 2019 just a few weeks ago are still valid.
Well I have all your books so there isn't yet something you can sell me, I suggest a 69mm f/0.69 Lens
kyokuten good luck focusing a lens that shallow
With 0.69 speed booster. for more bokeh 😁
@@Britton0932 you don't use a 0.69 aperture to get things in focus, you'd rather focus on the out of focus areas which will be pretty much edge to edge
Speed boosters are great. I have the viltrox eos-m 0.71
@@Britton0932 the whole thing is in fact 69, I could have suggested a 69mm f/69 but that's not exciting, unlike what 69 essentially refers to
I have a problem with really high megapixels. We are essentially saying millions of images taken 10-15 years ago at much lower mpx were a waste of time and should be ditched because they’re not nearly good enough.
Exactly! Just remember its all marketing, Sony needs to come out with something that sounds superior than its last product so they keep on making sales, 5mp is still fine in this day and age, no matter what camera manufacturers and marketers want you to use.
and Im here happy with my a7rii lol
Me too :)
To be honest, when I process the G9 "Hires" 80MP images it doesn't seem that onerous on my PC, but then I am using a recent 8 core Ryzen with 32GB DDR4, and RAID0 SSDs, not a silly laptop.
I suppose it all depends on whether your an amateur, an amateur that has visions of becoming a pro, or a pro, Sports pro..
Personally I'm just an amateur, Nikon D810, I have good glass, so if I did it would be to a D850, etc. Hard to justify cost of spending when results aren't going to be different for what I use it for. Love the vids, tips, reviews
Amateurs use D3300 not D810s lol
Earlier you panned the A7R3 for wildlife, but liked the A7R4 for wildlife. Are we now saying they both are not great for wildlife?
And I’m sticking with my G9, lol!
WHO IS SERAFIN me too!
Same haha well that and my ageing G80.
Joe Marano I still use a G7 as my B cam.
For wildlife, the higher megapixel image on the a7r4 means you can shoot with less zoom and get same results. And remember the a7r4 can shoot aps-c to really reduce file size. I just bought the a7Riv and find aps-c mode with the 70-300 zoom makes a nice daytime wildlife setup giving me reach of 450mm and still plenty of megapixels in my images to work with. Also the r4 just feels better to me. I tried both and just didn't like the way the r3 felt in my hands... r4 feels much more natural.
Canon is the jolted lover you dump for "The Hot New Thing", but in the end, you always go back to her
Er, no. Canon cheated on me three times (with major technical faults - not cripple hammer related) - there’s only so many times you can forgive. Like any relationship, trust is everything. Canon betrayed my trust.
@@robertspano4003 Luckily Sony will never have technical issues and they are well known for their excellent customer support. NOT 🤣
Canon R5 announced today. Welcome back to Canon y’all!
@@Ravencroft81 nobody claimed that but sony has some awesome specs and sensors to make up for it
I've had my eye on the Sony A7R iv to use for my macro and wildlife photography. Currently I am shooting with a Fuji XT-3 and the extra detail for macro is important. As for wildlife I would use it in crop mode for the added reach. (This would probably take the buffering issue out of the equation) Just thinking out loud as I probably won't switch anytime soon...
Cheers,
Greg
and that's why we should not trust early reviews ;)
Such a big difference from their first review which was all glowing. to be fair, they are willing to update their reviews and remain neutral unlike most other Tubers
The good thing about YT is there's always something to hawk. And when you change your opinion you can still sell.
Not really. It's not like there is a newly discovered fault. These are somewhat minor nitpiks, and Chelsea said as much. The larger MP count is awesome for cropping in on wildlife shots, etc. I don't own one, but have watched enough real world reviews.
@@rockychocbill I think wildlife photographers prefer speed and big buffer than megapixels.
Depends. For BIF then yes, A9 might be best. But A7R4 is being used for "regular" wildlife plenty.
I switched to the A7r4 when my a7r3 broke and bestbuy gave me the gift card for the full purchase value. I switched just because of the ergonomics. Feels much better in hand. Much more comfortable. The buttons feel better. The mechanical shutter is wayyyy more silent and subdued. The exposure dial has the lock. Literally everything is better economically. Only thing I wish is that it would just have been the same or slightly improved 42mp sensor as the a7r3
Chelsea is always completely adorable and tony's voice just makes my ears happy ...
my main consideration for ever considering mark IV is the crop capabilities, i always can crop the pics and still get sharp image.. else the RIII already fill 80% of the needs
the R4 is requesting more quality on lenses for giving its maximum, and this is a real budget issue at the end. I keep my R3, enough for my all images ...
Patrick, good point. Even for optically perfect lenses, the higher pixel count requires that you have to keep the lens wider open to avoid diffraction blur. So, more megapixels means less depth of field.
I greatly prefer the a7r4 for bird/reptile photography using the 200-600mm lens. The extra megapixels are invaluable there.
I love my Sony a7Riii, also have the a7iii.
You guys coming to WPPI ?
Is it worth getting the a7r 3 over the standard 3?
Ben Shields Yes , I love both though, a7iii great for low light, a7Riii has more mega pixels, all depending on what you shot.
I have both..agree with many points, but find I reach for the RIV for its tracking autofocus feature to set a tracking focus point and then recompose, I find the eye focus is quicker and stickier than the RIII and I get an average of 10% more shots in razor focus on the RIV.. over time that adds up.. the RIV is easier to operate with the better ergonomics in cold weather with gloves due to the raised buttons .. etc. is it worth $1000 more? Depends. For a pro.. maybe . The bigger file sizes and slower workflow won’t matter much as computer performance improves.. I keep my camera bodies longer than my computers.. I’ve tried the video eye focus ability and am pretty amazed at how good it is.. Last.. most camera makers that matter are moving to very high megapixel cameras for their pro models .. so get used to it
If time is that important, I'm seeing how smart those engineers were in the M4/3 camp, especially in light of how much, large prints are generated and how much, low light shooting is done by the "average Joe" ...... hmmmmm
Hi Ken, I do more than 50% in available light, so I'm the exception to "average Joe". But yeah, I think you're right for the great majority of people. Even though I'm currently trying to get to the bottom of who has the better full-frame IBIS at the extremes of stills handholding.
@@joelbenford9327 I appreciate your candor, not many people will be able to look at the "big picture" so objectively ......
here are some of the reasons for R4 over R3
61MP - 30% more (landscape v portrait benefit)
26MP in crop mode
EVF better res
2 Fast Cards
Improved buttons (more pronounced)
no recording time limit for video
new tracking mode
pixel shift detail
new chipset 1.8 x faster
ftp in background
faster touch screen response
additional aspect ratio
focus frame colour choice
min aperture for phase detection tracking from F8 to F11
low light performance 1 stop
My Menu and can set to default
Different function menu for stills and video
My Menu
Save all camera settings to card
ibis improved by half stop
My Dial settings
improved on/off button
shutter button button and placement
better weather sealing
This is hard. Even though I know the big 3 brands are all great I have Sony cameras and I want all the CZcams celebrities to affirm my investment.
This is what Sony needs though. The last thing we want is for them to sit back and try to save money on R&D
The A7R4 is two cameras in one. Nothing says you have to take 61 meg shots. I own the camera and use the 61 mpx for landscapes and other times when I need to crop a lot. Unless it's for focus stacking don't understand the need to shoot multiple images of the same landscape composition. The OLED view finder will show whether you got the shot or did not. And given the wide range of the sensor, I almost never need to bracket. For bird photography, I shoot compressed RAW and vary between APSC or full-frame. I edit on an older 5K Mac and have to wait longer for some things, but it isn't a burden.
Everyone else Sony Sony Sony.
Me: but that Fuji xt4 announcement!
The XT4 looks amazing. The trouble I'd have with going to Fuji is there's no upgrade path to full frame and the lens reviews I've seen make me questions the library of glass. On paper they have plenty of glass, but in practice the lenses appear to be noisier and slower than what I'm getting on Sony.
The only Fuji camera I'd actually want to buy at this point is the X100V, if the price drops.
Why not buy the World's best camera that will stay relevant for 6 years.
= ✅ Canon EOS R5
@@marklarson3934 fuji treats their customers right with great cameras, lenses, and constant real firmware updates that actually improve the camera over time and not just fix things that should have been fixed on release.
FUJI FAN for life :)
Super sad to hear you guys so down on the RIV after more time with it. Your initial reviews and impressions have been a big motivator for me to go out and jump in to the mirrorless Sony world. I ended up going with the IV in part due to some of that enthusiasm, and I wish this video was out on Wednesday to help me temper myself a little more before I took the plunge and made my order.
But that’s life. I’m super excited to learn this system and to really challenge myself to grow here. I really just wanted to thank you guys for being honest and for continuously putting yourself out there. You guys are great and I always look forward to your next thoughts.
Great discussion, very insightful and helps to make the right decisions. Thank you.
There are about 50 small and big updates you can make the argument the R3 is better value or even that 42 megapixels is enough but this is far from the whole story.... 29min record limit, tested with 1 card not 2 i bet, better weather sealing, tracking etc etc etc... I own both and the R4 is just better now if its better value thats vert personal.
Saying the a7R IV isn’t worth it over the a7R III is like saying the a7R III isn’t worth it over the a7 III. Also, you must be doing something wrong to completely fail using the pixel shift function every singe time. It should totally be possible when done correctly.
Love the way Chelsea puts the Sony UHSII card in the UHSI card slot of the A7r3!! But the A7Riv is worth it to me for the improved autofocus.....
Wanted to add that the A7r4 has a slow storage controller. If you calculate the write speed based on time, it is much slower than the 300MB/s that the card offers for writes.
Iam totally fine with the feelings of Chelsea
Years ago, I shot on a Canon 5d. It was my first "real full frame" camera. And, I never really took great photos with it. Now, I'm taking much better photographs with the mirrorless Fuji XT-3, your crop sensor camera of the year last year. I think the camera helped me become a better photographer. I could see myself moving back to Canon for the (expensive) RF lenses, which seem amazing and a full frame sensor, but I wish I could just adapt them to my Fuji or that Fuji would make a full-frame camera.
"I'm a human with skin, I don't want that." Great point!
The only reason I want more MP than my A73 has is because then I can shoot wider knowing I'm going to crop in. That way if I'm not perfectly level or didn't otherwise nail the framing I'm still golden. But A7R3 would get that for me anyway.
I shoot with my d750 with a 14-24 sigma for a couple of years and im supper happy, i tried a friends z6 and i wouldn’t trade my 750 for it
Chelsea, I believe you got it exactly right not seeing great advantage (real wold, considering cost) going to to A7RIV from the A7RIII. In short, productivity is greatly impacted and costs are substantially increased (storage, transfer, rendition, ...) highly disproportionate to (almost any) value when it comes to real world application. The benefit is minimal most of the time.
Also, considering Canon seems to be on the verge of providing new body offerings (R5/6) in rough parity (perhaps superior is some regards) to Sony offerings I would think the well reviewed RF lenses would compel at least a strong look, if not change once a little time for evaluation has passed. Canon seems to be in a position to make themselves a real player, but, in my view, still needs to prove themselves when it comes to sensors (like when it comes to dynamic range), so be careful.
For me, the Sony still seems to be the way forward as third party glass (Sigma, Tokina) makes the Sony system far more affordable in the near term.
Such BS ,In six months they'll be switching back from canon or to the next new thing. Both cameras are great & the points made are just an excuse to stay in the product hype biz.
Yeah Sony really need to work on that, faster buffer across the board. Lossless compressed would help a lot.
Honest and forthright, as always. I really appreciated Tony's analogy to the 8 cylinder motorcar. Thanks C&T&J
i am keeping my old cheap 3 cylinder sony a6000:)
Should be like this:
Apsc: sedan
ff: suv
R4: hummer h2
R3: Yukon
gordonyz4 hmm Yukon is bigger than hummer h2 tho:)
Had two a7RIII and switched one out for the a7RIV. I like having one of each I admit. Use the a7RIII for walk around the a7RIV for more landscape and architecture work. Of course neither has replaced my a9 which I use for sports and wildlife so there cameras for every different purpose. Used to shoot all Canon and have tried the EOS R and it will be interesting to see what this EOS R5 will be to see if, for mirrorless, they become a leader again. I personally really don't shoot video so I discount that from most my decisions on cameras except when I consider resale and what others want for the the used market. Thanks for the video.
"speed is important to me"...2 min later:"you can just take a panorama, you load them in Lightroom and click panorama, then it just takes a few minutes"
bluekeybo End then you trash the resulted image to avoid hours of correcting it.
@TimurKaramov They are referring to two different types of photography. Speed can be very important when shooting BIF for example. If it takes a long time for the cameras buffer to clear you're not shooting at all. A panorama does not require speed in the field. Plus the only way to create a panorama is to take time on the computer.
I think, your points are fair, as many said, the R IV is not for everyone. I also think, that the R IV does make more sense if you're coming from an R or R II (or any other older camera). Sure, the R IV is great with it's body and all, but the R III is fine as well. Also, Canon and Nikon make good cameras as well (although, for their price, they're just not really worth it).
And yes, Sony has some huge problems in general (no closed shutter when off, no switching of resolution [except like 26MP APS-C] etc).
Will upgrade to the R IV as well ... But I do come from an EOS600D // Rebel T3i, so the jump will be significant.
I shoot motorsports so buffering is a deal breaker. I’ll stay with my d850
R4 has 86 shots buffer in FF mode and about 250 in crop mode both numbers are bigger then on the D850. and images at 61 and 26 megapixels.
I'm super happy with my a7iii since 2 years ago and satisfied... can't be chasing after all the new cameras that come out
But so many people are, it seems. Every 6 months some new model emerges that equals or surpasses the others and it's "Time to switch?!?!?" all over again.
@@anthonyc1883 yup... crazy
I know how the D850 feels.... I've been dumped like that too....
Lets face it, she had noisy flaps, a loud stutter and grossy overweight.
@@engjds hehehhe..
My A7rii looking at me like dont even think about leaving me
Well this is a bummer listening to these rich people complaining about their ridiculously expensive equipment.
Good points made here. High MP is not usually necessary.
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This is less a photography channel and more a shopping channel. But we already knew that ha ha.
Do you prefer the skin color of A7RIV over that of A7RIII?
This is a very important question since I've seen in multiple reviews that A7RIII has a more yellowish tint to the skin tone compared to A7III. Sony supposedly changed color science since A7III.
You both over shoot. Stop it!!!!!
What?
It's digital, why not shoot as much as you want?
@@PrincessAshly Exactly! I have a 128GB XQD in my camera. That holds about 2k uncompressed RAWs. Because I got tired of having great shots with missed focus or other flaws I developed the habit of taking three to four shots of each composition. And with all that memory available to me I can just do that without ever running out of storage. So I don't think this is overshooting but rather a backup plan for making sure you are getting all the shots you want.
Honestly when it comes to photography the only thing I would want out of my R3 would be a 24 megapixel shooting mode so that when i shoot people they don't have to see the inside of their pores
I think people are obsessing over canon glass but forgets how they screw over their customers on a daily basis....
I mean the EOSR and RP are horrible cameras for anything. Glass is so expensive most non pro togs wont even get to buy them and they nerf/strangle the cameras to make them do 1 thing great and the rest awefull not to chip in on their other cameras. Never again canon!
Why why why won't Sony put a small- and medium- RAW option to the A7R IV ??
They sold their soul to the devil
Tony, seriously?!?? The Earth rotating is affecting sharpness? When you've high MP count, usually anything will affect sharpness, a car driving by (even when distant) or yourself near the tripod as it's impossible to stand absolutely still, or the usual wind that will affect sharpness even if it's blowing at 3mph. But please... Earth's rotation...
First off, I love your channel!!! It’s a source I often frequent to make an informed decision when it comes to photography. Chelsea’s argument holds a ton of merit when it comes to the A7Riv, especially when it comes to the buffer. However, I would highly recommend reevaluating your editing machines and their native abilities to handle the new load of data you’re throwing at them when it comes to the editing process. I designed my rig to purposefully handle the data overhead the A7Riv throws at it and it doesn’t bat an eyelash when it comes to load times or edits. The crux I, and anyone for that matter, face is the added storage hinderance the A7Riv introduces which in turn means larger and more expensive SSD’s to handle said capacities... M.2 drives are highly recommended here given their rd/wr speeds are inherently faster than anything on the market but you’re gonna pay for them for sure... Thank you for the content and I look forward to many more videos from you two!
Wow! I literally JUST bought the A7riv...I mean a couple of hours ago...I have a hollow feeling in my gut...I spent a lot of time researching...weeks and weeks...I love your videos...but, I know I'll love it...
Greeting all, I have the Sony a7rii and recently purchase the a7riv . I edit my photos on a 2015 iMac with 32 of gb ram. The editing software that I use is capture one pro which was free with the of purchase of the a7rii . I still use capture one pro (update version) and it loads the 61 mp file of the a7riv just as fast . I personally of not used any other editing software because this one was free in the box, Try capture one and compare it to other editing software in term of loading large file speed. Thank you
The EVF resolution the larger grip, wider spread autofocus points, better Weather Sealing etc etc for the mark4
I shoot and love my Canon EOS R it’s just very comfortable and fast focusing and I’m definitely with Chelsea on this one in saying If I shot Sony it’d be the A7riii. Great side by side I love this “what I’m feeling is right” camera discussion.
I started photography 10 months ago. Now I'm blowing everybody out of the water due to my due diligence of studying. This book was one of the first books that I read. It's funny cuz less than a year ago. I didn't even know what the hell the exposure triangle was and now I'm making the most beautiful landscape and portrait photos ever! Thank you guys for making a Great book. You guys are absolutely stunning together, and I love you both. .
I own the both cameras and there is something about the post editing that makes it easier to edit and pics look better on the on my r4. For weddings r4 for causal shootings r3
I have not used Canon, but shot with the best Nikon cameras and glass but swapped to Sony in 2016. I cannot imagine glass better than the Sony lenses. I mostly use the A7Riii and got it right as soon as it came out. I’ve been perfectly happy and I’m always working large and pixel pushing.
I have the a7RIV, a7RIII, and a9, and I have specific reasons I use each one. It's not a matter of which one to "switch" to, it's a matter of which one to use for a particular situation. BUT ... if I HAD to choose only one, it would definitely be the a7RIV ... it does more of the things that are most important to me than the other two. AND ... I find that for whatever reason, I tend to have to do less processing of the raw files from the a7RIV ... it was one of the first things I noticed when I first got the RIV.
First, there are quite alot of SD cards out there. Second, No SD card, not even the TOUGH delivers the speed that it claims to have under optimal conditions.
I’d be interested to see a speed comparison between the cataloging and editing tools. The problem seems more to be lightroom than it is big files. I use photomechanic, even on my 2012 MacBook Air, it’s fast, not something I’d say about lightroom. Lightroom is using 4GB RAM (I only have 8GB total), where as RAWTherapee is using 650MB. Whilst I can see that many prefer Lightroom for various reasons, faster software would be cheaper for most than new computer, especially if it means you have to buy a 16inch laptop, when you really only want to carry a 13inch.
After a year owning both the a7Riii and the a7Riv I sold the a7Riii which was languishing. I appreciate Chelsea's impatience with large files, but I expose fewer frames and am more pleased with ability to crop further which extends the reach of telephoto lenses and the magnification I can get in wild flower closeups. When I don't want monster files I use my a7iii, and in a few months will replace it with an a7iv.
I am trying to make a decision about these 3 cameras. I currently own the A7III and want more MP’s. I love the way the RIV feels.