Taking a look at Three Golden Dawn-based Decks
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- The Crowley/Harris Thoth, the Golden Dawn Tarot by Robert Wang, the Golden Dawn Magical Tarot by Sandra Tabitha Cicero.
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And it's Lady Frieda Harris for the WIN!!! Her deck is SO MUCH more intriguing and lively than the others, which come off as extremely static and b-o-r-ing. Also I agree that Lon Milo Duquette is a much more personable, funny, and approachable guide to all things Golden Dawn, with or without Crowley's innovations. Thanx for the side by side comparison!
Definitely not a Thoth/GD fan here, though I really like Freida Harris' paintings. This system has always seemed to me to have too many layers to it - like a sentence with too many adjectives. You've actually made me more pleasantly disposed towards it.
And snarky? - No. Where I come from, it's just called getting your retaliation in first!
Love it!
"his energy seems to permeate people who want to argue" LOL I feel the same. That shit can be so exhausting.
Another great Video , thank you for sharing your thoughts re these decks ..I have worked with several Golden Dawn/ Thoth Based decks and found them to be quite different than normal of course RWS so loved seeing this and hearing your opinions ...
They are such a specific system. I don't think it's for me, but the art is often really beautiful.
Your I don't care attitude about what others think about how you relate to various tarots just made me love you and hit that subscribe button.
There is a book of letters between Crowley and Frieda. Do you know that one?
My Dear Aleister', Creating the Crowley Harris Tarot. It's printable through one of those self print sites... hmmmm??? Lulu? I can't remember.
What is the name of the book you suggested for the Thoth deck?
The DuQuette book includes the GD card descriptions and discusses Harris’ departures. Waite-Harris should have been included to show the breadth of interpretations GD members had of the cards. E.g. Waite-Smith reflects their Christian focus, whereas Crowley is derived from their Thelemic practices. Wang and others have their own flavor. We need some good scholarship covering the 19th and 20th century GD tarot lineages for use as better reference.
Come for the content. Stay for the snark. ;)
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My new motto.
“My name is Alistair Crowley, a master of magical unholy. Of philtres and pentacles; covens, conventicles; of Basil nepenthe and moly.”
The swastikas in the Thoth Tarot could be there to enhance the negative associations and that deck is good about being appropriately dark and brings in mythology beyond the Golden Dawn scope, but seldom seems to skip any of the meaning when adding to it.
I am not a fan of anyone and wouldn't excuse the bad beliefs and actions of people.
The Rider-Waite-Smith deck was not the first to make the pips and court cards more lively.
I definitely see why some avoid the cards with full labels and attributes.
I like that 'volume doesn’t represent credibility' comment. 🤣 How true!!
I appreciate seeing the comparison between these decks as I’m ready to explore the esoteric symbols of the Golden Dawn, so am looking for the most attractive deck. I do have the Crowley deck.
I just spit out my dinner... "I don't give a sheeettt...." 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 now back to watching.
It’s all for you, Damion.
I love you Tom Keep doing what your doing! We care Tom!:)
Thanks for that!!! It means the world to me!!
hahaha if you know everything about Thoth system- bravo to you :) Also not such a big fan of Crawley and even though I totally appreciate the system and the deck - energetically Im not resonating with it much. I have the Golden Dawn tarot and like the bold colours and naive artwork. Thanx for sharing this.
Totally agree!
Love your review and sense of humor. Do you think you will ever do a review of the hermetic tarot by Godfrey and dowson?
Thanks for sharing this. I wasn't (and still not) sure if a GD interpreted deck is for me but this is very helpful for considering.
Brilliant video! I love the Lady Frida deck and I've wondered about the other two, so I'm glad you showed them. Personally, I still like the original the best. The snark was like snark-medicine for me today - I really needed a bit of that energy. 🙏
I love the idea that snark can be healing! Maybe I should go into that field! And, yes, I love Harriss’ art. My my God was she talented.
Allen here. I'm w ya, had all these great decks (the G.:.D RITUAL Tarot the Cicero's titled it, first!) "back in the day" and I got to work with Lon online in the mid-90s in Callie. Crowley's book 777 for correspondences rules! Thanks for the topic, Tom.
Thanks for being here. Would love to know more about your work with Lon! That must have been amazing.
@@thefoolsjournal It was all about the Thoth Dec and how to read them w his book, Understanding Aliester Crowley's Thoth Deck, he was in Newport Beach, CA. Very nice, cool, intelligent, and "laid back SPOOKY," sometimes. Great guitar player he is, too! 🇨🇮👊🔮
I'm certainly in the minority here because I really like Robert Wang's version. His approach is more simple but it says a lot. There's a certain nostalgia that resonates with me. Crowley's version is great and there's a lot to look at but it's just not for me.
Appreciate the comparison video.
Thank you for the side by side comparison of GD/Thoth. I agree with you I would like to know more about Lady Frieda Harris. I did not know you could get such vibrant, rich, saturated colors with water colors, love Lady Frieda's art. I actually like key words, even when I disagree with the key words, they always give information even if I feel it is "hell no". If they are really bugging me, I trim them off lol. Oops by the way, you might not want to look at the Navigators of the Mystic Sea there is key words - my bad. Keep up the snark, makes me laugh.
🤣🤣🤣 I love this! I wish I were cooler about keywords, but...every time I try I just get cranky!
Please Please Please tell us more about Benebell’s Astrology Course. I’ve watched her video and I’m so tempted but I just can’t pull the trigger would love to hear thoughts from someone who took it!
I think its so eye opening for readers to look at the different systems, even if it is only to see where they diverged from other systems. Seeing different concepts of what is usually the same idea always broadens the mind.
Her course is super immersive. In fact, I really need to get into building the grimoire which she suggests, because I think I won't really get much out of it until I start doing that work.
I love my "Initiatory Tarot of the Golden Dawn Deck" (Lo Scarabeo), which is by the same artist who did the Ludy Lescot Tarot. It is not a pip deck and reads very intuitively. It has the same back as the one on the left (in your video), just grey instead of green and black, but the same symbols. My newest addition to my collection has been the Röhrig Tarot which is also based on the Thoth, with a bit of RWS and Haindl. I don't really know how I feel about Crowley but I am thankful for his deck as a source of inspiration for many other great decks. Thank you for sharing these. :-)
I don't know that one! I'll have to tae a peek! The Rohrig and Haindl I've always liked, but never pulled the trigger. They're so gorgeous, though.
Tom, I'm flattered.
I'm thinking all this snark is about me.
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I don't remember you attacking me before, but if you have I guess that would be so! :-)
@@thefoolsjournal i did not but as far as I can see the only comment about you not getting the keywords right on '' pixie's pips" is me and you do go on a lil' bit about it on here so... 😉
The deck I am creating (taking me years to finish it) will have Astrological references. I love the Golden Dawn System and am with you when it comes to Crowley. Not a fan of him at all.
Can’t wait to see what you’re working on!
@@thefoolsjournal You can see the completed ones 30"x40" huge canvases on my website under Roopa's Tarot. Just finished my Kipperkarten on Halloween. I got the first batch ready for eBay this Weekend. Only little white book with Keywords though. Sigh...but if you ever decide to write one...I would love to collaborate.
Who wants to be schooled by Crowley fans anyway? ha ha ha Pre-emptive snark. This was very cool. Thank you for doing this side by side by side. I find it really fun.
Thanks!!! Glad you liked it!! Pre-emptive snark is like my core vale. 😂
I love Crowley but I dont like his deck at all lol I mean is glorious but not for me, and I read the golden dawn as any tarot deck because is the way i feel like, I have a mini made by myself, the Wang's one. (i love mini decks because i have pretty small elf hands hahahaha and I love that beautiful art) since I'm not a golden dawn fan I'm fine with my lil cheap homemade deck lol
I LOVE decks that feel homemade and used and loved! It's like the horse in The Velveteen Rabbit!